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You serious? Is there ANY manhwa that's better than manga? Okay... I like Evyione. But that's the only one I can think of that I didn't drop halfway. Bad mangas are bad mangas, but manhwa? Far as I care, they all have an awesome idea but horrible execution. It starts out interesting, and you get tired of it. AND! They all have bad art!
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They both have bad manga. I dropped a lot of manwha and manga.
I see you think Immortal Regis is amazing but it was a hot mess. The best korean stuff right now are the webcomics. My favorite manwha right now is Yongbi. Lately ive been reading manhua they can draw and it has full damn color.
I see you think Immortal Regis is amazing but it was a hot mess. The best korean stuff right now are the webcomics. My favorite manwha right now is Yongbi. Lately ive been reading manhua they can draw and it has full damn color.
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... Try reading The Breaker, King of Hell, Yongbi, Veritas, Witch Hunter, Ares, The Legend of Maian...
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I think I'll agree to an extent. Even though good manhwas are only a handful, those are some amazing manhwas. Few show a potential story line only to be butchered by the authors inability to lead the plot in a good direction. The others are simply aweful!
On the other hand, a lot of manga can be categorized as good. But there are only very few which can compete with those good manhwas.
Examples would be "100% perfect girl" in Romance category and "Noblesse" in Shounen category, "U don't know me" and "Totally captivated" in Yaoi category.
IMHO, the reason manhwas stand out as awesome i because they portray the passion and give us what we want. In 100% perfect girl, I loved the possessive hero and the heroine who wanted to be independent, U don't know me is so sweet and passionate at the same time! I haven't seen any yaoi manga of that caliber. Finder is a good yaoi, but it is almost, but not as good as totally captivated. And in Noblesse, they kick the enemies ass so bad! I'm half bored of reading about heroes who start with nothing and lose against their enemies twice or thrice or win because of their "will". Here, in this manhwa, they mean it! They kickass because they can kick some ass
On the other hand, a lot of manga can be categorized as good. But there are only very few which can compete with those good manhwas.
Examples would be "100% perfect girl" in Romance category and "Noblesse" in Shounen category, "U don't know me" and "Totally captivated" in Yaoi category.
IMHO, the reason manhwas stand out as awesome i because they portray the passion and give us what we want. In 100% perfect girl, I loved the possessive hero and the heroine who wanted to be independent, U don't know me is so sweet and passionate at the same time! I haven't seen any yaoi manga of that caliber. Finder is a good yaoi, but it is almost, but not as good as totally captivated. And in Noblesse, they kick the enemies ass so bad! I'm half bored of reading about heroes who start with nothing and lose against their enemies twice or thrice or win because of their "will". Here, in this manhwa, they mean it! They kickass because they can kick some ass
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Isnt that because their industry isnt quite solid like japs? and people have it harder to live with it so many of those Works are made by amateurs?.
But lets go with the cream of the crop theory, even if we compare the best japs Works with the "bests" from korea we see a big diference by example compare ID or Yureka to one piece, naruto and berserk, koreans stay truer to their ROOTs while keeping a good manga and an insteresting plot (not saying ID or Yureka are better than those 3 because they cant be measured in equal conditions nor they are in the same category).
Can't tell about the bad Works of koreans cuz i havent seen one. even the fairy tale of a demon lord which sucked in the drawings had a good feeling about it, but i see so many mangas that fail and are forced into either fight mangas, echiness or gags... that im starting to believe teres some kind of problema with the manga industry in japan and that will end up helping koreans with their version of comics.
But lets go with the cream of the crop theory, even if we compare the best japs Works with the "bests" from korea we see a big diference by example compare ID or Yureka to one piece, naruto and berserk, koreans stay truer to their ROOTs while keeping a good manga and an insteresting plot (not saying ID or Yureka are better than those 3 because they cant be measured in equal conditions nor they are in the same category).
Can't tell about the bad Works of koreans cuz i havent seen one. even the fairy tale of a demon lord which sucked in the drawings had a good feeling about it, but i see so many mangas that fail and are forced into either fight mangas, echiness or gags... that im starting to believe teres some kind of problema with the manga industry in japan and that will end up helping koreans with their version of comics.
I agree with most of what you're saying, but throwing Fairytale for the Demon Lord's art under the bus is kind of harsh imo. The art is fairly decent and has a style very complimentary to the mood of the plot. Ares, or the first volume of Wake Up Deadman would be better examples of crappy artwork manwha with good plots.
I've often thought about why I prefer manwha to manga in many cases,and I think it's mostly because of the change of pace, but it's also the looser regulations and restrictions, especially regarding webcomics.
It's kind of like The Sopranos, Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad, and all of the other great shows that air on cable. Cable is willing to take chances that networks won't. In a similar vein, Jump might discontinue a series cause its not getting the "necessary" popularity, but webcomics have much more free reign. More unorthodox ideas are allowed to play out and become successful.
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Manhwa's much less known. And there are a lot of amazing Korean manhwa, esp. webcomics, that haven't been scanlated. Some of my favorite webcomics (Forest of Humans, Covertly Gloriously) haven't even been touched by scanlators for the most part.
I think that the main problem is that manhwas start out super. freaking. slowly. and then become amazing once they've actually started (generally chapter 30~40 or so), and people are too impatient to keep reading. And I'm speaking for shounen/seinen. As for shoujo, manhwas tend to start out amazing then go way downhill...
But I've read my fair share of crappy manhwa, so yeah.
Um, excuse me? Have you even bothered reading Shin Angyo Onshi, The Breaker, Noblesse, Tower of God, etc? The art is brilliant in Shin..., Breaker, and Noblesse. The art gets better at S2 in Tower of God.
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I think that the main problem is that manhwas start out super. freaking. slowly. and then become amazing once they've actually started (generally chapter 30~40 or so), and people are too impatient to keep reading. And I'm speaking for shounen/seinen. As for shoujo, manhwas tend to start out amazing then go way downhill...
But I've read my fair share of crappy manhwa, so yeah.
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You serious? Is there ANY manhwa that's better than manga? Okay... I like Evyione. But that's the only one I can think of that I didn't drop halfway. Bad mangas are bad mangas, but manhwa? Far as I care, they all have an awesome idea but horrible execution. It starts out interesting, and you get tired of it. AND! They all have bad art!
Um, excuse me? Have you even bothered reading Shin Angyo Onshi, The Breaker, Noblesse, Tower of God, etc? The art is brilliant in Shin..., Breaker, and Noblesse. The art gets better at S2 in Tower of God.
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I have seen this thread ongoing for a few days and that fact is bugging the hell out of me.
1, Neither manhwa nor manga is inherently better. When you consider their definitions it's ridiculous to imply otherwise.
2, A handful of good series does not an argument make. And I second the bonifie who said Immortal Regis was a hot mess. It was utter average shounen fare at the beginning and introduced mildly interesting plot twists that weren't properly resolved near the end, hoping that going as "dark" as it possibly could would automatically give it some meaning. The overall effect was dubious at best.
Yureka is, by the way, garbage. Shin Angyo Onshi was simultaneously published by Shogakukan, as are later manga by the same creator pair. In what universe is Noblesse's art--extremely bad CG patchwork--considered beautiful, it was actually what turned me off. Also it doesn't seem to know how to use anything other than big ass rectangular panels.
3, If we're speaking great/terrible-why-does-this-have-to-exist ratios think Sturgeon's law.
4, If we're talking about quantity of great materials then obviously manga has a much more richly textured history.
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1, Neither manhwa nor manga is inherently better. When you consider their definitions it's ridiculous to imply otherwise.
2, A handful of good series does not an argument make. And I second the bonifie who said Immortal Regis was a hot mess. It was utter average shounen fare at the beginning and introduced mildly interesting plot twists that weren't properly resolved near the end, hoping that going as "dark" as it possibly could would automatically give it some meaning. The overall effect was dubious at best.
Yureka is, by the way, garbage. Shin Angyo Onshi was simultaneously published by Shogakukan, as are later manga by the same creator pair. In what universe is Noblesse's art--extremely bad CG patchwork--considered beautiful, it was actually what turned me off. Also it doesn't seem to know how to use anything other than big ass rectangular panels.
3, If we're speaking great/terrible-why-does-this-have-to-exist ratios think Sturgeon's law.
4, If we're talking about quantity of great materials then obviously manga has a much more richly textured history.
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seriously, is it just me, or what?
every manwha i have read is amazing, ex: immortal regis, unbalance, aflame inferno, ect.
while every manga is either yaoi, a cliche shounen plot, a boring senien plot, with one in a blue moon being worth reading. (i didnt mention shoujo because not only are they ...
every manwha i have read is amazing, ex: immortal regis, unbalance, aflame inferno, ect.
while every manga is either yaoi, a cliche shounen plot, a boring senien plot, with one in a blue moon being worth reading. (i didnt mention shoujo because not only are they ...
I can see you reading 1 of each type of the lowest possible level, ignoring josei on the way and having slightly more luck with manhwa... I extensively gather information about a series before I start reading so I don't have to read or drop bad ones, and that worked so far. I love both but it all depends on the plot. there are always shitty ones, I just don't bother reading them. if you do, well that's your choice...
don't say all manga are the same because of your poor choice...
all generalizations are bs.
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You serious? Is there ANY manhwa that's better than manga? Okay... I like Evyione. But that's the only one I can think of that I didn't drop halfway. Bad mangas are bad mangas, but manhwa? Far as I care, they all have an awesome idea but horrible execution. It starts out interesting, and you get tir ...
One manhwa, or should I say webtoon?
Still korean, just the made for the web.
Tower of God
seriously,you have to read this
totally make almost every single manga/manhwa/manhua you ever read shallow.
and other such as magician,crepuscele, dr.frost, noblesse,Gepetto,nowhere boy,trace,etc
for manhwa.... Ares and witch hunter
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I don't differentiate between manga and manhwa, what matter is the skill of those who write it
Generally, manhwa has more gag/comedy in there, this is why I don't really read many manhwa.
and manga for their fanservice (panty shoot, and such)... gah, this has become very awful in manga.
Webtoon is another which I have started to like reading.
Manga also has a lot of bad one, like the generic shoujou manga
it seems to always have similar plot and story.
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the only way to awnser something like this is asking a question just as dumb
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I can see you reading 1 of each type of the lowest possible level, ignoring josei on the way and having slightly more luck with manhwa... I extensively gather information about a series before I start reading so I don't have to read or drop bad ones, and that worked so far. I love both but it all depends on the plot. there are always shitty ones, I just don't bother reading them. if you do, well that's your choice...
don't say all manga are the same because of your poor choice...
all generalizations are bs.
don't say all manga are the same because of your poor choice...
all generalizations are bs.
This. there're are many crappy manhwas as mangas equally. Personally, when I read shoujo manhwas, they're definitely different then most shoujo mangas, mainly because there plot starts off simple, then suddenly become dark/tragic whereas, in mangas, its pretty hard to find a good solid shoujo plot.
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With all due respect to the OP, I think you still haven't explored the world of Manga as it is. There are thousands of Manga while there are still a hundred or so Manwha that's why it's not fair to say that manhwa >= manga
I've done my fair share of manhwa with Shin Angyo Onshi, Noblesse, Id, Tower of God, The Breaker, Yongbi, etc..
For me on my part, I believe that manga has a kind of quality that is completely different from manwha. I have yet to find a manwha(korean/chinese, with the sole exception of Tower of God) that has completely deceived my perception of time like when I was reading Beck, Yotsubato!, 20th Century Boys, Monster, GTO, Angel Densetsu, Kyou Kara Ore Wa, Hikaru no Go, Otoyomegatari, Historie, Jin, Kingdom, Bakuman, Gin no Saji, and a whole lot more (which I don't want to mention to prevent this post becoming a big and boring block of text)...
And....
True enough...
Also the fact that Manga has a wider range of genres that appeals to different individuals compared to manwha...
If you want to read the better mangas out there then try clicking the tags shoujo/shounen/seinen/josei then click search then click rating... Most of the top rated are manga and some are manwha...
Also I reckon it's because of the fact that manhwa/webtoon are on the rise and the quality of manga recently is in a bit of a decline...
Still, manhwa is "mada mada dane" i.e still has a lot to go before they could rival the manga market... For me that is...
Also it seems that around 70% prefer manga according to the poll...
I've done my fair share of manhwa with Shin Angyo Onshi, Noblesse, Id, Tower of God, The Breaker, Yongbi, etc..
For me on my part, I believe that manga has a kind of quality that is completely different from manwha. I have yet to find a manwha(korean/chinese, with the sole exception of Tower of God) that has completely deceived my perception of time like when I was reading Beck, Yotsubato!, 20th Century Boys, Monster, GTO, Angel Densetsu, Kyou Kara Ore Wa, Hikaru no Go, Otoyomegatari, Historie, Jin, Kingdom, Bakuman, Gin no Saji, and a whole lot more (which I don't want to mention to prevent this post becoming a big and boring block of text)...
And....
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It's probably because manhwa is less 'well-known' than manga, so the scanlators tend to pick up the cream of the crop.....
True enough...
Also the fact that Manga has a wider range of genres that appeals to different individuals compared to manwha...
If you want to read the better mangas out there then try clicking the tags shoujo/shounen/seinen/josei then click search then click rating... Most of the top rated are manga and some are manwha...
Also I reckon it's because of the fact that manhwa/webtoon are on the rise and the quality of manga recently is in a bit of a decline...
Still, manhwa is "mada mada dane" i.e still has a lot to go before they could rival the manga market... For me that is...
Also it seems that around 70% prefer manga according to the poll...
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At least when i say Manwha will get ahead of Manga is because Mangas seem to be struck in a dump, if the plot doesn't work they go either Fighting or H or Gag... and try to keep it running that way. It seems like they can be only successful if they get forced into those 3 kinds and thats stupid and it will damage the industry due time. While Manwha doesn't seem to have those limitations the artists seem more free to handle the plot like they want!.
I may be wrong as Im talking about feelings because thats how i see things but ... I can tell one thing for sure... LATELY im reading MORE Manwha works than i was one year ago and i DO enjoy them a lot more than what i enjoy most mangas out there.
I may be wrong as Im talking about feelings because thats how i see things but ... I can tell one thing for sure... LATELY im reading MORE Manwha works than i was one year ago and i DO enjoy them a lot more than what i enjoy most mangas out there.
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OP: ...seriously?!
Hmm. Honestly? I don't know jack about manwha (compared to my manga experience at least).
It certainly suffers from "confusing name syndrome" as someone previously mentioned, in the eyes of a European manga junkie. Japanese names might be unusual at first, but are pretty easy to get used to, what with the language's staccato syllable feel (aka all syllables end in either a vowel or the letter "N"), and a few easily detectable rules like 'tons of girly names end in "-ko", etc.'. Honorifics like sama/san/kun/chan/tan/senpai/etc are easy to grasp and actually help figure out what's going on by cuing us in on speaker's relationships and moods, instead of just creating clutter like in many other languages.... in other words, for long-time manga fans, JAPANESE MAKES SENSE. Korean names? I've had Korean buddies, I've slept with Korean women - and I STILL have NO CLUE.
Also, from what I've seen, it suffers a lot from "wannabe-Jmanga-syndrome" or a sort of inferiority complex. A lot of stuff, both essential to manga and not so much, gets blatantly ripped off... AND THEN the author seems to get all manga-jealous, and in trying to to reach and surpass that target, attempts to "turn everything UP TO ELEVEN".
...which, paired with an already-prevalent Korean gamer culture of moar-moar-MOAR!!-style munchkin-izm (especially impacts dudes and tomboyish chicks in their 20s-30s - the same ppl who generally write manga), makes for some crazy-azz excess and overkill.
Even bigger swords, even bigger titz, even moar chaos and bigger messes.
THAT SAME OVER-THE-TOP NATURE IS WHAT SOME OF YOU PROBABLY LOVE. And what turns the rest of us off.
Hmm. Honestly? I don't know jack about manwha (compared to my manga experience at least).
It certainly suffers from "confusing name syndrome" as someone previously mentioned, in the eyes of a European manga junkie. Japanese names might be unusual at first, but are pretty easy to get used to, what with the language's staccato syllable feel (aka all syllables end in either a vowel or the letter "N"), and a few easily detectable rules like 'tons of girly names end in "-ko", etc.'. Honorifics like sama/san/kun/chan/tan/senpai/etc are easy to grasp and actually help figure out what's going on by cuing us in on speaker's relationships and moods, instead of just creating clutter like in many other languages.... in other words, for long-time manga fans, JAPANESE MAKES SENSE. Korean names? I've had Korean buddies, I've slept with Korean women - and I STILL have NO CLUE.
Also, from what I've seen, it suffers a lot from "wannabe-Jmanga-syndrome" or a sort of inferiority complex. A lot of stuff, both essential to manga and not so much, gets blatantly ripped off... AND THEN the author seems to get all manga-jealous, and in trying to to reach and surpass that target, attempts to "turn everything UP TO ELEVEN".
...which, paired with an already-prevalent Korean gamer culture of moar-moar-MOAR!!-style munchkin-izm (especially impacts dudes and tomboyish chicks in their 20s-30s - the same ppl who generally write manga), makes for some crazy-azz excess and overkill.
Even bigger swords, even bigger titz, even moar chaos and bigger messes.
THAT SAME OVER-THE-TOP NATURE IS WHAT SOME OF YOU PROBABLY LOVE. And what turns the rest of us off.
