Update: As of c187, can be confirmed all i had written before, about how R_Syaoran actually never met with R_Sakura nor C_Sakura (pre-Tokyo that is), but now a new issue rises...

...what the hell is "The sakura that's always been with me until i was captured"!!?? what the freaggin hell is that? Boy, you never met a "sakura", cause if you did, that would've been when you were 5 or so, and so, how come the kid R_Sakura met the clone as an entirely new person?

Should he have met R_sakura before beeing captured, that young R_Sakura would've recognized the face the of C_Syaoran when they met, but that is not the case, the formaly met as people who never had seen each other before.

Now this rises a new freaggin confusing situation, is there a "Another_Sakura"?
In other words, as of today, right now there are 3 Sakuras:
- "R_Sakura"
- "C_Sakura"
- "R_Syaoran's 'always with me til i was captured' Sakura" aka "3_Sakura"

Or he met with a R_Sakura from the future, i mean, a different time-plane than the one the events from ch01 resolved?
Is R_Sakura his mother!? , Arrghh, this manga is starting to reaaally get on my nerves.
Is R_Syaoran actually "Lee Syaoran" from ccs trying to save "Kinomoto_Sakura"? as in the vision (refer to TokyoRevelations ova3) C_Sakura has on her Tokyo mission on her way back?

Aaand guess what, as i said, slowly but surely whichever Sakura they find she'll be over the hills with R_Syaoran... (this last line is speculation of course, with a personal certainty of 99.999%)

i think that there are only 2 sakuras, the clone and the real one. the one that syaoran is talking about in 187 is the real one and so far we havent met her yet because the sakura that was traveling with everyone was the clone from the beginning. we find out that the traveling sakura was the clone at the end of the nihon arc, where sakuras body falls apart into feathers are sakura petals or something. so syaoran is going to rescue the real sakura, although technically the clone has become the real one because Fei Wong says that after he created the clone the body of the original fell apart....you're right..this is confusing....


On a different note...loving the cover page of 187! Fai and Kamui look soooo great together!!

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Hmm not quite, if you read my post, or the manga actually, carefully you see that (refrer to ch178) the real one is the one that lived with C_Syaoran since kids to ruins-feathers scattering- events.
Proof:
Fei-Wong: -"I'll have the princess go in a journey"... -"The one leaving will for a journey is a replica"
From here and the images i differ that in the instant, when the ruins shine before C_Syoran comes into scene (remember he wasn't *intantly* there) Fei-Wong clones her, how he has the time to do so? he can freely manipulate time, as shown on lastest chapters.
In short, my point, the way i see it and i base it, shows that there are -at least right now- 3 sakuras: "R_one", "C_one", "R_syaoran's always by my side, yet to be introduced_one".
Of course, it's possible the case where "R_one" = "3rd_one", but i dare CLAMP to demostrate that equation.
Nonetheless, there is always the classic argument of "kid R_sakura" met R_Syaoran but she lost her memory cause of X reason. <____<

As of 187, it is confirmed that there is a third Sakura because of what Kurogane says. The converstaion goes like this:

Syaoran: "The Sakura I met."
Kurogane: "Met Through that eye?"
Syaoran: "...No, not like that. It's the Sakura who's always been by my side until I was captured."

Since R_Syaoran was never around C_Sakura or R_Sakura until after the Tokyo arc, this means it is neither of those Sakuras. He is definitely referring to a third Sakura - his OWN Sakura.

I have had a feeling for many chapters now, and this makes me wonder even more: Perhaps R_Syaoran is the Syaoran from Card Captors? I got this idea from during the Tokyo arc when R_Syaoran and C_Syaoran are battling, and R_Syaoran uses his sword and this lightning technique - the same sword and lightning technique that Syaoran from Card Captor Sakura used.

Now that there is a third Sakura involved, I really believe this is true. But we will just have to wait and find out

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Yeah I think there's a 3rd Sakura o_o...

How many times can one split themselves eh?
So it goes like...
R_Syaoran and R_Sakura (before the capture)
C_Syaoran and R_Sakura (after the capture and during their childhood)
C_Syaoran and C_Sakura (when Sakura's memories scattered and the journey started)

Such a messed up manga eh? xDD
But damf...I saw Kamui and Fai together.../gasm.

This one is not possible. Don't remember the chapter number right now, but when Syaoran's adoptive father introduces (the clone of course) the kid to King Clown and to little R_Sakura, i remember R_Sakura asking something like "who is he" or something on the line, and the dad makes introducions and then they start their friendship. Though of course, the clone is a cold-eyes empty body at the momment.

If they met before capture, R_Sakura would've said "welcome back" or something like that.

Of course, if someone can prove me wrong, please do so. Just please include your references.

I'm still rooting for Kinomoto being the original Sakura. And i think that it's quite possible - cause Kinomoto is either dead or in some serious problems - and I'm basing this on the fact that Kinomoto's Sakura magic stick is in Yuuko's shop, which means that either she's dead or she needed something real bad - and I hope it's the second one.
Plus, when Yuuko first met almost dead Sakura-hime it looked like she didn't like her at all, but than she realized it's not that Sakura and she was ok. Or something like that, I can't really remember.

Hmmm are those references from xxHolic?
Cause i haven't read xxHolic at all, and don't remember TRC showing magic sticks, or Yuuko being awkward towards Sakura.

Yup it's in the first (i think) volume of xxxHolic. & you should definently read, it's starting to cross over a lot with Tsubasa now.

& yus that Fai & Kamui picture is aweessommmeee <33

CLAMP is being very confusing now. With RSyaoran making a deal with Yuuko to be sent back and get... 6/7 year old Sakura? I think it was seven days before the ceremony with is her 7th birthday. & didn't Sakura and Syaoran meet when they were seven? I don't know, maybe I'm just making things up =P I need to get the volumes off my friend and re-read all that she has xDD

I was lost after the tenth volume.



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kk, i'll give it a try later. Thanks.

But yeah, this is extremly confusing now. Right now i can't say for sure if there is a 3rd sakura, or what the hell is going on? Bah, in fact, i'm starting to kinda dislike this manga now, the twists lately are becoming too twisted to be undestood, in my opinion that is.
I thought i was more or less keeping on with the plot, but now i label myself as officially lost >_<
But well, i'll keep my hopes up and pray for C_Syaoran to become the hero again instead of this cheap copy aka-R_Syaoran. (ironic isn't it? In my opinion, it's the real Syao the one that is a cheap-copy while the C_one is the real hero)



[Update as of c189]
..o..k... i actually didn't expect that, might be too late to use spoilers tags since all my posts are actually spoilers, but what the hell:



Now i why R_Syaoran 'loves' Sakura, hmmm o..k...This doesn't explain everything, but well, it's looking better now. And yeah, lol, magic sticks come into play,

Last edited by Lower at 10:21 am, May 10 2008

From reading chapter 189 from Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicle:
I noticed that the Real Syaoran could actually be the son of Sakura Kinomoto and Li Syaoran and that the Real Syaoran borrowed his father's name because they look alike. So that could imply that the Cardcaptor Sakura's Sakura and Syaoran are the parents of Kimihiro Watanuki, because (Watanuki has the ability to see ghost and attract spirit like Sakura and her brother Touya) they put a spell on Watanuki to remember a little bit under a different name to protect their faternal twin sons, but I could be wrong.

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I agree with that because the Real Syaoran was from Japan and also because of the name thing. I also agree because the price for him was already paid with Sakura's wand from CCS or in other words his mother. In the previous chapters, didn't it also say that the Real Syaoran was a descendent from Clow Reed also? If so, then there's another reason because the Syaoran from CCS is a descendent and that would be his father.

What the heck? I thought Clow Reed was original TRC Sakura's father...but now it's Fujitaka? Or is there really just 3 Sakuras? And FTW incest?! Seriously, Syaoran crosses dimensions so he can get busy with his own MOTHER?! Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww...

So at this point, Real Syaoran is definitely the son of Sakura and Syaoran from CCS, right? And there's a third Sakura in Clow Country who has the same lineage basically as CCS Sakura.

And don't hold total incest past CLAMP. Let's not forget that creepy pedophile from CCS who was 'dating' one of his 4th-grade students. >.< CLAMP needs to learn when they're TOTALLY crossing the line. -_____-

Geez, now I'm just completely confused. Up till recently, I was just sorta confused, but not enough that I had no idea of what was going on. Now I'm lucky if I can catch the point in 1 out of 5 chapters. I give up. Guess I'll just sit back and enjoy the pretty pictures.

I agree the mother stuff is creepy-so I'll go with a CLAMPish Syaoran jr.'s just like his father, so of course he'd be cosmically linked to a girl just like his mother. (Though how the hell does reincarnation work when the person whose soul you share is alive/your own father?) Though technically it's not incest 'cause there's no indication that Clow!Sakura's parent's are biologically the same people as CCS!Sakura. (And they aren't-it's just soul stuff.)


Chapter 190 just threw a whole loop in the timeline, again. Between the Syaoran Jr. and Sakura meeting and him saying he asked to have a 6 year redo, I'm wondering if the clones actually had there own separate timeline or something. I want CLAMP (or really anyone) to make a chart, 'cause it just keeps getting more incoherent.