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Post #504532 - Reply to (#504530) by Sagaris
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Basically, you have [integral]1/(1+sinx) dx
Then you separate that into [integral]1/1 + [integral]1/sinx (which is cscx)

Fractions don't work that way.


Integral of dx/(1+sinx) is the same as dx * 1/(1+sinx). I have never seen people prove it otherwise. You cannot have a dx on the denominator, but dx on the numerator is acceptable.

Edit: Sorry. Wasn't paying attention to the parenthesis there.

Last edited by chineserider at 12:45 am, Oct 31 2011

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Post #504535 - Reply to (#504530) by Sagaris
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Basically, you have [integral]1/(1+sinx) dx
Then you separate that into [integral]1/1 + [integral]1/sinx (which is cscx)

Fractions don't work that way.


@chineserider - They don't. It's in the form of (1/(2+3)). You can't right that as (1/2+1/3).

@Mewman - Did you try rationalising it? Edit: Look below to sarah-eats-cupcakes' post.

Last edited by Casey D. Geek at 12:49 am, Oct 31 2011

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Post #504536 - Reply to (#504527) by MewMan
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Compute this integral: ∫dx/(1+sinx)

my answer is tanx - 1/cosx + C
i don't understand why it's wrong dead

multiply the numerator and denominator by (1-sinx)
so you get (1-sinx)/(cos²x)
now seperate fractions, it becomes: (1/(cos²x))-(sinx/(cos²x))
so, sec²x-(sinx/(cos²x))
sec²x - (1/cosx)(sinx / cosx)
sec²x-(secx)(tanx)

∫(sec²x)dx-∫(secx*tanx) dx
tanx-secx+c

nothings wrong with your answer...i think none you just have to write secx instead of 1/cosx...but its fine if you dont its still correct

Last edited by sarah-eats-cupcakes at 12:42 am, Oct 31 2011

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thanks for all the help everyone
but the problem is so simple that i want to punch myself in the face
you see, for this problem they already gave C in the answer, so my C was unnecessary
sorry for the trouble dead

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EDIT: Nvm. I googled it. lol

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So I'm not sure how to delete a post so I'm just gonna say that I figured out my homework so it's ok ^-^

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High school calculus:

After 3 unsuccessful attempts, I still can't calculate the derivative of this function using the chain rule (with possibly, power rule?) correctly:

http://i.imgur.com/IWUIF.png

There's a second part for this question, but I appreciate any help to figure out the derivative only. I treated the function as if it was a composite function, but I just managed to puzzle myself...

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Post #505761 - Reply to (#505757) by 15C08
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High school calculus:

After 3 unsuccessful attempts, I still can't calculate the derivative of this function using the chain rule (with possibly, power rule?) correctly:

http://i.imgur.com/IWUIF.png

There's a second part for this question, but I appreciate any help to figure out the derivative only. I treated the function as if it was a composite function, but I just managed to puzzle myself...


I'm getting [(1/3)(((x^2)+5)^(1/2)) + (1/3*x)*(1/2)(x^2)+5)(2x))], if that is readable. Is that what you wanted?

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Post #505766 - Reply to (#505761) by Casey D. Geek
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High school calculus:

After 3 unsuccessful attempts, I still can't calculate the derivative of this function using the chain rule (with possibly, power rule?) correctly:

http://i.imgur.com/IWUIF.png

There's a second part for this question, but I appreciate any help to figure out the derivative only. I treated the function as if it was a composite function, but I just managed to puzzle myself...


I'm getting [(1/3)(((x^2)+5)^(1/2)) + (1/3*x)*(1/2)(x^2)+5)(2x))], if that is readable. Is that what you wanted?

Yes, thank you for the quick response. smile

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Post #505767 - Reply to (#505766) by 15C08
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Quote from 15C08
High school calculus:

After 3 unsuccessful attempts, I still can't calculate the derivative of this function using the chain rule (with possibly, power rule?) correctly:

http://i.imgur.com/IWUIF.png

There's a second part for this question, but I appreciate any help to figure out the derivative only. I treated the function as if it was a composite function, but I just managed to puzzle myself...


I'm getting [(1/3)(((x^2)+5)^(1/2)) + (1/3*x)*(1/2)(x^2)+5)(2x))], if that is readable. Is that what you wanted?

Yes, thank you for the quick response. smile


You're welcome. I got the answer using [(uv)' = u'v + uv']; I don't remember what rule it is known as.

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Post #506086 - Reply to (#505767) by Casey D. Geek
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Quote from Casey D. Geek
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Quote from Casey D. Geek
Quote from 15C08
High school calculus:

After 3 unsuccessful attempts, I still can't calculate the derivative of this function using the chain rule (with possibly, power rule?) correctly:

http://i.imgur.com/IWUIF.png

There's a second part for this question, but I appreciate any help to figure out the derivative only. I treated the function as if it was a composite function, but I just managed to puzzle myself...


I'm getting [(1/3)(((x^2)+5)^(1/2)) + (1/3*x)*(1/2)(x^2)+5)(2x))], if that is readable. Is that what you wanted?

Yes, thank you for the quick response. smile


You're welcome. I got the answer using [(uv)' = u'v + uv']; I don't remember what rule it is known as.


It's called Integration by Parts. Calculus II curriculum.

Edit: Sorry, it's the product rule. I misread.

Last edited by chineserider at 6:05 pm, Nov 7 2011

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Post #506089 - Reply to (#506086) by chineserider
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It's called Integration by Parts. Calculus II curriculum.

No, it's product rule.

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Hi, I was wondering if someone could assist me on a project for my Economics class. We have to compare an aspect of medicare between the United States and another country, but the problem is that I can't find much info on the medicare systems of other countries beside Canada, which I'm not allowed to pick.

Could anyone help give some ideas to which aspect of medicare to use as comparison? Or sites where I can find such info on other countries?

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Cuba, France. Those two come up to mind.

Edit: Nvm, Not China.

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Post #506121 - Reply to (#506089) by Sagaris
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It's called Integration by Parts. Calculus II curriculum.

No, it's product rule.

And it's a differential rule :/


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