Currently, it has come to my attention to ask, is the U.S. Education System adequate?
Rather than discussing small topics. I thought I should bring something more.....complex to view.
Check it out:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0621/p03s02-ussc.html
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U.S. Education System adequate?
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Of course. We are a superpower after all.
Nope. Not according to recent statistical studies
Oh gee, I don't know.
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Good Idea Ares6.
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lol who honestly put "of course"? our education system is terrible
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lol who honestly put "of course"? our education system is terrible
Some....egotistical fanatics who believes our all powerful nation is excellent at everything. I predict this person will be ....totalanime !!!
Get this, when I was on my vacation in China, they learned High school math in Junior High......yeah.....just think of these Kids in U.S. who fail classes.....yeah....shame....
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I graduated high school in 2002, and I think that my reading and writing are adequate, as well as my mathematical skills. However, I have a brother 11 years younger than me, and it just seems to me that he doesn't learn much at school...
Or I mean that he is being taught so much more slowly than I was taught... I had to start learning multiplication and division in 2nd grade, and I think he only started in 4th grade. Also, it still doesn't seem like he is being taught any grammar.
This might just be at his school though, I'm not sure if this is a nation-wide phenomenon. I mean, is there any logical reason for teachers to "dumb down" the education process so much in so short a time?
But the statistics shown are really compelling. Oh gee, I don't know.
Or I mean that he is being taught so much more slowly than I was taught... I had to start learning multiplication and division in 2nd grade, and I think he only started in 4th grade. Also, it still doesn't seem like he is being taught any grammar.
This might just be at his school though, I'm not sure if this is a nation-wide phenomenon. I mean, is there any logical reason for teachers to "dumb down" the education process so much in so short a time?
But the statistics shown are really compelling. Oh gee, I don't know.
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Based on my personal experience as a New York Public Student......let's just say.....yes....the system needs to be changed. I was on a Math competition a few years ago....those kids from other state totally destroyed us.
And to this day, I am scarred
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The education process in America needs a lot of work. They need to encourage more mathematics in middle school.. start teaching all this crap to us early.. they need to change the current homework/exam structure, focus more on homework (and discipline for not doing homework) and less on exams. I don't know about you, but 40% for a midterm and 40% for a final exam in one of my college classes is ridiculous. The education system needs to stop focusing on grades and finding ways to award people and focus more on equalizing better output from everyone.
I dunno, that's my $0.02.
I dunno, that's my $0.02.
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The US Educational System is fine and is effective. I read the article and, as seen, it mostly inner city and urban areas that mostly effected by the drop-out issue. The problem is economic and social issue. The raising of children on low income basis causes a lot of impact on the family life. As a child, if your mom is working two jobs or long hours, the time for interation is severely limited. And when you are exposed to the type of environment most inner cities provide, it is easy to see why students drift away from education.
Also the educational system provides for education based on the intelligence level. Usually there is honors, average, and less-than-average. If you can't succeed in the less-than-average level, then, for most, it is your motivation that is lacking. Not the educational system.
Finally, the Dept. of Education requires that everyone attends school. The only way to forgo this restriction is to get parental permission at age 16 or the student reaches age 18. Once again it could be family issues for the first loophole, but the latter is more justifiable. Since the United States society treats one as an adult at age 18, it is his/her decision to stay in school or not. Since the age of graduation for most students is 17 or 18, the drop-outs must have been kept back for at least a year. If they feel that a mandatory schooling restriction would impede their lives, they are free to leave the institutions since they would be considered adults.
So, the schooling system is not what is the cause for the high levels of drop-out, but the mind-set of the students dropping out.
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Also the educational system provides for education based on the intelligence level. Usually there is honors, average, and less-than-average. If you can't succeed in the less-than-average level, then, for most, it is your motivation that is lacking. Not the educational system.
Finally, the Dept. of Education requires that everyone attends school. The only way to forgo this restriction is to get parental permission at age 16 or the student reaches age 18. Once again it could be family issues for the first loophole, but the latter is more justifiable. Since the United States society treats one as an adult at age 18, it is his/her decision to stay in school or not. Since the age of graduation for most students is 17 or 18, the drop-outs must have been kept back for at least a year. If they feel that a mandatory schooling restriction would impede their lives, they are free to leave the institutions since they would be considered adults.
So, the schooling system is not what is the cause for the high levels of drop-out, but the mind-set of the students dropping out.
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The US Educational System is fine and is effective. I read the article and, as seen, it mostly inner city and urban areas that mostly effected by the drop-out issue. The problem is economic and social issue. The raising of children on low income basis causes a lot of impact on the family life. As a child, if your mom is working two jobs or long hours, the time for interation is severely limited. And when you are exposed to the type of environment most inner cities provide, it is easy to see why students drift away from education.
Also the educational system provides for education based on the intelligence level. Usually there is honors, average, and less-than-average. If you can't succeed in the less-than-average level, then, for most, it is your motivation that is lacking. Not the educational system.
Finally, the Dept. of Education requires that everyone attends school. The only way to forgo this restriction is to get parental permission at age 16 or the student reaches age 18. Once again it could be family issues for the first loophole, but the latter is more justifiable. Since the United States society treats one as an adult at age 18, it is his/her decision to stay in school or not. Since the age of graduation for most students is 17 or 18, the drop-outs must have been kept back for at least a year. If they feel that a mandatory schooling restriction would impede their lives, they are free to leave the institutions since they would be considered adults.
So, the schooling system is not what is the cause for the high levels of drop-out, but the mind-set of the students dropping out.
Also the educational system provides for education based on the intelligence level. Usually there is honors, average, and less-than-average. If you can't succeed in the less-than-average level, then, for most, it is your motivation that is lacking. Not the educational system.
Finally, the Dept. of Education requires that everyone attends school. The only way to forgo this restriction is to get parental permission at age 16 or the student reaches age 18. Once again it could be family issues for the first loophole, but the latter is more justifiable. Since the United States society treats one as an adult at age 18, it is his/her decision to stay in school or not. Since the age of graduation for most students is 17 or 18, the drop-outs must have been kept back for at least a year. If they feel that a mandatory schooling restriction would impede their lives, they are free to leave the institutions since they would be considered adults.
So, the schooling system is not what is the cause for the high levels of drop-out, but the mind-set of the students dropping out.
Dude please tell me you are being sarcastic. Hold on I got more to say brb. If you think that there is nothing wrong with your education system you are sadly mistaken. I am not sure about college but comparing up to highschool in the us with most of europe and asia and other parts of the world there is a serious difference in the level of work done. For instance are foreign languages compulsary in your schools? No? Well why the hell not? One or two or even more languages are compulsary up to a certain level in many places. How about Math: the math on the sat test like I said before is stuff I did in 2nd year of highschool(out of 5) age 13 or close to that. I started school when I was three. Studies on the human brain show that the key time in a child's life for music math and languages are from when they are born to 4 years old. A child can easily learn two or three languages in this period concurrently. I did. And some other people I know as well. And I can go on and on about other subjects and lack of discipline and such but I think its pretty clear to anyone who does any research on the subject.
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I think in order to ensure that public education in the US is adequate, it should be federally funded and standardized. Instead, what we currently have is different in every state and city.
Here in NY, the school system is pretty good, as it is regulated by the Board of Regents. Unfortunately, every school is funded by the taxes collected in that town. This is a huge problem because some towns have lots of businesses and expensive homes which require expensive property taxes, much of which goes into the schools. In towns where housing is cheap and there is little business, the schools don't get much funding. So those towns don't get new books, good teachers, blah blah....
If it was federally regulated, then all of the schools would have the same books, standardized tests, etc., and I wouldn't have to worry about not wanting to move to FL because the schools there suck.
Yeah. This has been on my mind for a while but supplementing with home schooling is probably what I'll have to do if I do move to another area where we can afford a home. A shanty here on LI goes for around $400,000.... ^_^;;
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Here in NY, the school system is pretty good, as it is regulated by the Board of Regents. Unfortunately, every school is funded by the taxes collected in that town. This is a huge problem because some towns have lots of businesses and expensive homes which require expensive property taxes, much of which goes into the schools. In towns where housing is cheap and there is little business, the schools don't get much funding. So those towns don't get new books, good teachers, blah blah....
If it was federally regulated, then all of the schools would have the same books, standardized tests, etc., and I wouldn't have to worry about not wanting to move to FL because the schools there suck.
Yeah. This has been on my mind for a while but supplementing with home schooling is probably what I'll have to do if I do move to another area where we can afford a home. A shanty here on LI goes for around $400,000.... ^_^;;
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yeah i can agree to that one... heck it was even worse for me since i live in Kansas... right now the Republican Christians are destroying the sciences and lowering the standards of every other school subject. Even though i have been out of highschool for several years now it still scares me how much it has fallen because parents are complaining at the schools about how poorly their children are doing when the parents are not even taking a initiative in helping their children out. Heck from what i've heard from people that are still in high school are only getting as high as algebra 2 to complete their math requirements. I just can't wait for economy to crash due to the lack of experienced intelligent workers in the workforce.
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I don't want to say anything...but....sometimes....the money the Gov't gives tends to......become inadequate........I cannot say more. You get it.
We need better anti corruption plans too.
this looks like a discussion close to our own by Marilyn and other people
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AmF7Hpk BKyBaRIVt35Ng2ODpy6IX?qid=20060612202425AAJXhAo
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We need better anti corruption plans too.
this looks like a discussion close to our own by Marilyn and other people
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AmF7Hpk BKyBaRIVt35Ng2ODpy6IX?qid=20060612202425AAJXhAo
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If it was federally regulated, then all of the schools would have the same books, standardized tests, etc., and I wouldn't have to worry about not wanting to move to FL because the schools there suck.
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Hehe Florida = "Party College" capital of the world. I met quite a few idiots in highschool who went abroad to study at a florida college/university. I thought to myself what kind of colleges accept these morons who can barely pass highschool some of them dropouts. The education system in my country was good in my time but now it is rapidly degrading.
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If it was federally regulated, then all of the schools would have the same books, standardized tests, etc., and I wouldn't have to worry about not wanting to move to FL because the schools there suck.
^_^;;
^_^;;
Hehe Florida = "Party College" capital of the world. I met quite a few idiots in highschool who went abroad to study at a florida college/university. I thought to myself what kind of colleges accept these morons who can barely pass highschool some of them dropouts. The education system in my country was good in my time but now it is rapidly degrading.
nahh, Albany is a party school
http://encarta.msn.com/college_article_partyheartyschools/that_ party_the_heartiest.html
I almost went there too. Got full tuition and room and board from scholarship. But it lacks the major I want. Double E. And it's like smack right in the middle of nowhere with high ways.....
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If it was federally regulated, then all of the schools would have the same books, standardized tests, etc., and I wouldn't have to worry about not wanting to move to FL because the schools there suck.
^_^;;
^_^;;
Hehe Florida = "Party College" capital of the world. I met quite a few idiots in highschool who went abroad to study at a florida college/university. I thought to myself what kind of colleges accept these morons who can barely pass highschool some of them dropouts. The education system in my country was good in my time but now it is rapidly degrading.
nahh, Albany is a party school
http://encarta.msn.com/college_article_partyheartyschools/that_ party_the_heartiest.html
I almost went there too. Got full tuition and room and board from scholarship. But it lacks the major I want. Double E. And it's like smack right in the middle of nowhere with high ways.....
Dude, I didn't mean the colleges. Just the public schools - elementary/middle/high school.
Florida State is one of the top...I think..?
I went to CU.
My stepmother, who is an EH teacher in an elementary in FL, got a book from the FL State school system listing all of the standardized tests scores for each school. It was pretty horrible with most schools ranking in the 30th percentile for the nation.
ESL is probably also an issue there, since most schools in the US are totally inadequate when it comes to teaching students who are new to english. It's pretty much immersion throughout, which as anyone can tell you is not always the best way to go.
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