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U.S. Education System adequate?

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Is the U.S. Education System adequate to ensure the future of your children?
Of course. We are a superpower after all.
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The education system relies mainly on the teachers and how well they're treated. I went to a medium sized school district east of Seattle and we would always kick the Seattle schools' butts in everything. This is because none of the good teachers want to work in Seattle because they're treated like crap. My old school spends way less money per student (33%ish of the Seattle budget) but constantly gets ranked as one of the top 50 schools in the country while the Seattle schools lag far behind.

The key thing is to treat the good teachers well so that they want to work in the district.

Treating teachers well means: good administrators, responding to need of materials without a bunch of bureaucracy to wade through and most importantly letting them teach the way that they want to.

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We live in a capitalistic country. That means self interest. Money is an important factor in a school's 'well being'. How many teacher are good enough to teach not for money but for the hell of loving children. How many of them are willing to go to some third world country to teach? Not many. One of the ways teachers want to be 'treated nicely' is by giving them a big fat pay check. Respecting them is also good. Giving them a nice environment and the equipments and textbook and materials they want also contributes. That requries money. Again, Money is the key word. Of course you cannot all reply on the teacher and the environment, the students need to be good as well. My high school scans out poor applicants by looking at their junior high school GPA and records. As a result, we have less 'poor grade kids' in our school. That inspires students to be more academic oriented. Of course the bad side is, most kids spent their time studying instead of enjoying life and getting partners.

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Post #166134 - Reply to (#166111) by ares6
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I'm from the city and I met a lot of people from different places, mostly smaller cities or towns. I can tell you this, kids in the city are much more mature mentally. As far as school is concerned, school condition in smaller cities or town tends to be worse than conditions in the city. I'm not talking about environment, but the school's "material". With less funding for the smaller cities and town schools. Of course, this does not imply that they are not as a good of a student as the city kids.


I'm not the largest authority on this subject, but don't inner city schools typically receive the least funding? I think generalizing it to cities and small towns is a bit extreme- in any city there are going to be good and bad districts and schools, and I really don't think that even if they were averaged they would end up being universally better in terms of material or funding.

That said, I don't entirely disagree with you, but I think the maturity does in fact stem from the environment rather than the education.


Inner[Bigger] City have more money. I hope you know that at least.
Compare NYC to most small city or town, which one have more money?



I think you misunderstood my statement slightly.

Yes, if you were to compare the monetary worth of New York to a small town, obviously New York would have more. However, New York is divided into a large number of neighborhoods, and as a result has a much larger number of schools. Often times, the areas that are much worse off will simply have much worse schools, simply because they are poorer communities and receive less funding. Their test scores decline, and they receive even less. So generalizing it to "city school = more funding" is grossly inaccurate.

I think the source of the confusion is the misinterpretation of "inner city" to just mean larger cities in general. It seems to generally be used (at least within the United States) to refer to the poorer areas of cities rather than using the terms "ghetto" or "slum".

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our education is really good but children students are not taking advantage of our education unlike other countries whose majority of the children try to take full advantage of education..and if you notice education tends to get harder i know if we tried going back to school once we gotten older it would be a little more difficult then it was the first time cause of advancing of education in each grade now..but none the less i think we should be ok in the future

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bigger city means more money but the cost of living is way higher than small towns balancing everything out in the end. schools no exception.

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I'm from the city and I met a lot of people from different places, mostly smaller cities or towns. I can tell you this, kids in the city are much more mature mentally. As far as school is concerned, school condition in smaller cities or town tends to be worse than conditions in the city. I'm not talking about environment, but the school's "material". With less funding for the smaller cities and town schools. Of course, this does not imply that they are not as a good of a student as the city kids.


I'm not the largest authority on this subject, but don't inner city schools typically receive the least funding? I think generalizing it to cities and small towns is a bit extreme- in any city there are going to be good and bad districts and schools, and I really don't think that even if they were averaged they would end up being universally better in terms of material or funding.

That said, I don't entirely disagree with you, but I think the maturity does in fact stem from the environment rather than the education.


Inner[Bigger] City have more money. I hope you know that at least.
Compare NYC to most small city or town, which one have more money?



I think you misunderstood my statement slightly.

Yes, if you were to compare the monetary worth of New York to a small town, obviously New York would have more. However, New York is divided into a large number of neighborhoods, and as a result has a much larger number of schools. Often times, the areas that are much worse off will simply have much worse schools, simply because they are poorer communities and receive less funding. Their test scores decline, and they receive even less. So generalizing it to "city school = more funding" is grossly inaccurate.

I think the source of the confusion is the misinterpretation of "inner city" to just mean larger cities in general. It seems to generally be used (at least within the United States) to refer to the poorer areas of cities rather than using the terms "ghetto" or "slum".


Uh, no, average school in the city get more funding than town school. I seen schools in other places, while we get two set of AP bio text, one at home, one at school, other school have to share 10 text books for the entire class. If anything is misunderstood, it's your use of inner city while referring to my use of city. The comment before I was talking about big city comparing to smaller city and then you started to comment. But instead of using big city, you used inner city. So are you talking about inner city[slum interpretation] or big city?

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I transitioned in my initial statement- the first inner city was referring to inner cities, while the averaging statement does refer to cities in general. Rereading, I think I probably did misread the conversation a bit.

I fully acknowledge that I could be wrong- I haven't really looked at statistics- but the point was that having a school in the city doesn't inherently dictate a larger amount of funding. If the average is actually higher, then I suppose that does say something, but with a large divide, I still feel like the generalization is a bit inaccurate when you have groups of kids in the city that are typically worse off than small towns.

I do agree with you about the funding though- without funding teachers rarely have the necessary motivation and the materials are inadequate. You clearly cannot have an education on the same level without at least the basics.

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Quote from Crenshinibon
I transitioned in my initial statement- the first inner city was referring to inner cities, while the averaging statement does refer to cities in general. Rereading, I think I probably did misread the conversation a bit.

I fully acknowledge that I could be wrong- I haven't really looked at statistics- but the point was that having a school in the city doesn't inherently dictate a larger amount of funding. If the average is actually higher, then I suppose that does say something, but with a large divide, I still feel like the generalization is a bit inaccurate when you have groups of kids in the city that are typically worse off than small towns.

I do agree with you about the funding though- without funding teachers rarely have the necessary motivation and the materials are inadequate. You clearly cannot have an education on the same level without at least the basics.

Damn racist, always blaming the asian kid for lack of vocabulary. bigrazz

I also noticed something interesting, The big city teacher doesn't seem to have that strong a relationship with the students compared to the smaller city and town teachers. Maybe it's because of the smaller population? I don't know...

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That's typically a result of class sizes, right? Depending on the size of the small town, there would be less students per class and probably less total classes to be taught, allowing the teacher to familiarize themselves with the students more. It could be something else, but unless we're talking about really small towns where everyone knows one another from an early age, I can't think of another explanation.

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Of course US schools suck! And my parents always sent me to the best public schools in the area; when we moved, they'd shop for schools before they'd shop for a house. And I still feel like I'm the victim of a sub-standard school system!

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Well I personally feel the US education system is good enough. It works. It produces enough educated people to keep the country going, and its not so defecient that its going to cause any real problems for the nation as a whole. But its really not as good as it should be.


The biggest improvement it could stand would be getting rid of the kids who dont learn. If you can read and write and do basic math and you dont think a standard education is for you then it probably isnt, and you need to go to a trade school as soon as possible, rather than waiting until you are 18 and spending at least 4 pointless years learning things you will never apply because you want to be an auto mechanic or a plumber.


Other than keeping in the students who refuse to learn or simply arent cut out for a standard education, I really dont see any problems with the US education system that wouldnt fix themselves IF the aforementioned problem was taken care of.

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Of course US schools suck! And my parents always sent me to the best public schools in the area; when we moved, they'd shop for schools before they'd shop for a house. And I still feel like I'm the victim of a sub-standard school system!


Obviously you haven't read the rest of the thread or you'd notice we'd come to the conclusion that saying "US Education System" was too broad a generalization, since education programs are usually handled by local government and funded by the state government. That's why we're the United States of America. Because that's the type of government we have.

You, sir, got short-changed in your learning if you didn't know that.

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The biggest improvement it could stand would be getting rid of the kids who dont learn. If you can read and write and do basic math and you dont think a standard education is for you then it probably isnt, and you need to go to a trade school as soon as possible, rather than waiting until you are 18 and spending at least 4 pointless years learning things you will never apply because you want to be an auto mechanic or a plumber.
Atleast in California, we've got this program called VROP, where you can learn a trade, if you know for a fact that college just isn't for you. Ofcourse, to pass the program, you have still have to graduate from high school. That way it's win for everyone.

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I don't particularly care, as long as I get into a good college, I'll just do what I can in high school. In the end it doesn't really matter.

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Of course US schools suck! And my parents always sent me to the best public schools in the area; when we moved, they'd shop for schools before they'd shop for a house. And I still feel like I'm the victim of a sub-standard school system!


Obviously you haven't read the rest of the thread or you'd notice we'd come to the conclusion that saying "US Education System" was too broad a generalization, since education programs are usually handled by local government and funded by the state government. That's why we're the United States of America. Because that's the type of government we have.

You, sir, got short-changed in your learning if you didn't know that.


To explain, since my Dad is military, that means I've been in five or six different systems all over the country INCLUDING one or two that are considered among the best in the nation...

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Well, there's your problem. Whether a school is the best or whatever, you're not going to get much out of it if you don't stay there for more than a year or two at a time. That's how I see it, atleast.

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