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Post #308585 - Reply to (#269540) by showjoeluva
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Their is no way the little Ren is not Reira's child. He looks just like her. At first glance it looked like to me it was Shin and Reira's child, but idk if that's possible. Or is it?
Now I think he's Takumi and Reira's child. Thats the only explination I could come up with of why Takumi is in England with lil Ren and Reira.

That's not always true. Reira has always had a one sided love for Takumi and to keep her singing for Trapnest he sleeps with her (apparently several times). But he has told her time and time again that he doesn't love her in a romantic sense. This could be why she said she should have hated Takumi for doing that with her if he didn't love her, then getting her pregnant with Lil Ren (because he has done this to several women. Apparently he doesn't know about condoms smile ). Nobu must be sad because he caries the same name as Ren who wanted to teach Hatchi's child to play guitar. He also said that he wanted to in his place (that scene made me cry).
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I think that Hachi is pregnant with twins, even though Ren looks a slight bit older. I dunno, it's just what I've been thinking the entire time.


And Ren is Nobu's son and Satsuki is Takumi's daughter.
It's possible, it has happened before that a woman had twins from two different men.

I never thought of that but it would be pretty interesting.


Yeah that could be possible and pretty interesting but then the question would be....why would Takumi keep Nobu's son with him and leave his biological daughter with Hachi? I don't think it would be as simple as Satsuki's too energetic for him or that since he's a guy, he would want to take the son and leave the daughter for the mother to raise.


I get the feeling Ren is Reira's son (and Takumi's). Satsuki is definitely Hachi's and Takumi's daughter, and Ren looks slightly younger than her. Maybe that's why he's living with Takumi and why Satsuki calls him "brother", since they are both Takumi's kids.
I don't think they're twins, since all the times Hachi went to the doctor, she said "the baby". Plus, there's an image of an ultrasound scanning where it can be clearly seen that there's only one baby.


So why does Reira say she should have hated little Ren If it's her own child confused (Chapter 74 page 16) Shouldn't a child between Reira and Takumi bring them closer? Why does little Ren call Reira by her name instead of mommy? (Chapter 74 p.13) Why does little Ren look so much like Nobu? Why is Nobu's expression appear sad when talking about little Ren staying with Takumi in England? He worries whether little Ren is still playing the guitar. (Chapter 66 pages 16-17)

It's so confusing!



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Their is no way the little Ren is not Reira's child. He looks just like her. At first glance it looked like to me it was Shin and Reira's child, but idk if that's possible. Or is it?
Now I think he's Takumi and Reira's child. Thats the only explination I could come up with of why Takumi is in England with lil Ren and Reira.

That's not always true. Reira has always had a one sided love for Takumi and to keep her singing for Trapnest he sleeps with her (apparently several times). But he has told her time and time again that he doesn't love her in a romantic sense. This could be why she said she should have hated Takumi for doing that with her if he didn't love her, then getting her pregnant with Lil Ren (because he has done this to several women. Apparently he doesn't know about condoms smile ). Nobu must be sad because he caries the same name as Ren who wanted to teach Hatchi's child to play guitar. He also said that he wanted to in his place (that scene made me cry).
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I think that Hachi is pregnant with twins, even though Ren looks a slight bit older. I dunno, it's just what I've been thinking the entire time.


And Ren is Nobu's son and Satsuki is Takumi's daughter.
It's possible, it has happened before that a woman had twins from two different men.

I never thought of that but it would be pretty interesting.


Yeah that could be possible and pretty interesting but then the question would be....why would Takumi keep Nobu's son with him and leave his biological daughter with Hachi? I don't think it would be as simple as Satsuki's too energetic for him or that since he's a guy, he would want to take the son and leave the daughter for the mother to raise.


I get the feeling Ren is Reira's son (and Takumi's). Satsuki is definitely Hachi's and Takumi's daughter, and Ren looks slightly younger than her. Maybe that's why he's living with Takumi and why Satsuki calls him "brother", since they are both Takumi's kids.
I don't think they're twins, since all the times Hachi went to the doctor, she said "the baby". Plus, there's an image of an ultrasound scanning where it can be clearly seen that there's only one baby.


So why does Reira say she should have hated little Ren If it's her own child confused (Chapter 74 page 16) Shouldn't a child between Reira and Takumi bring them closer? Why does little Ren call Reira by her name instead of mommy? (Chapter 74 p.13) Why does little Ren look so much like Nobu? Why is Nobu's expression appear sad when talking about little Ren staying with Takumi in England? He worries whether little Ren is still playing the guitar. (Chapter 66 pages 16-17)

It's so confusing!




Okay...If we base it solely on little Ren's feature's, he could pass as kid to over half the main character's in Nana. So I don't know about him being Reira's kid based on looks...even still, I think he looks more like Nobu.

There is even a question of why little Ren isn't in school. It was implied that little Ren was not living with Takumi but decided to stay when he visited recently on a break from school in JAPAN. That could only mean that he resided with his mother, HACHI, and she seems heartbroken because of this. Why does Ren not want to return to Japan? I couldn't tell you, but it seems to me that he is upset with Hachi about something. She even thought he sent her the pictures of Nana (I think). She worries about him as a mother worries about her child that is far away from her.

About living arrangements in England, it is not really implied that Reira lives in the same household as Takumi and little Ren. Why does father and son wake up in the same bed without Reira? IDK, maybe I'm looking into that too much. And why would Naoki even suggest trying to get Hachi back with Takumi if he was living with Reira...uh...that definitely wouldn't work out would it? Takumi's place even looks like just a bachelor's pad. Why does he reside in England? IDK, Takumi left Japan for the sake of 'work'. Maybe he thought Reira would recover if they moved there but not actually staying in the same place.

Reira says she should hate everything that Takumi LOVES, including his son. There have been many cases in real-life situations where a child from one woman is envied by another woman, just because the father (the man she loves) shows that child the affection/attention she longs for. Is this the case with Reira and Ren? Again, IDK...maybe when Ren was due (as firstborn) Takumi ditched Reira to be at Hachi's side. In the most recent chapters, Takumi is still at Reira's side, and it is getting closer and closer to the birth of the baby. I'm hoping Nobu will check Takumi over the phone as Takumi did him (when they first found out Hachi was pregnant) to make this happen.

Now if this is all true, how and when is Satsuki born? And is she older than Ren? IDK, but knowing Takumi, he probably disregarded the 6 wks Hachi would need to recover after having a baby (look it up for all those that did not know this) and had sex with her, therefore conceiving Satsuki right after Ren was born. This could be why it is so difficult to say, just by looking, which child is older.

At any rate, the relationship that I have seen so far between Takumi, Hachi, little Ren, and Satsuki makes me believe that they all have lived together in the same house, as a family, for some time before they seperated. All these things are just my opinion. Whenever the story nears an end, everything will be brought to light...

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And also i don't think that little ren is satsuki twins, read chapter 41 p14 the doctor said to hachi "You have been taking good care of the baby!" [that means only 1 baby], if it twins than the doctor would said "babies not the baby" to hachi. Also the doctor said that she can tell hachi if her baby is a boy or a girl, don't u think weird if the doctor can tell if it boy or girl but cannot tell that she have twins.


About the Twins thing, an ultrasound(her first ultrasound was at the 6th/8th? week, fuzzy memory) wouldn't be able to tell if they're twins or not until past around the 15th week ( 11th being the earliest but not likely to be able to tell ). I don't know when she last visited the Doctor, they were talking about the gender of the baby. Which can be determined by the 18th week, but Hachi asks the doctor that wasn't it way too early and could they really tell the gender of the baby. Depending on how early, the possibility of twins is still viable even if it is unlikely. Also some mothers don't even find out they have twins until they give birth haha bigrazz anything is still up for play in this whole situation we'll just have to wait and see.

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Now that I look at it again, Takumi and Hatchi seem to have just recently separated in the past few months. So, Ren should be the older child and Satsuki is the younger daughter, who was maybe conceived not even six months later. Ren could really be Nobu's child and Satsuki is Takumi's child. That would be the kind of twist I would expect form Yazawa biggrin
Plus, Takumi has sever father issues and maybe he wants to be the father to Ren regardless of whether he is really the father. Also, the way Nobu looks at Satsuki makes me think he truly regrets not stepping up when he found out Hatchi was pregnant, even though it was a possibility the child was his. no

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Post #346946 - Reply to (#250943) by Rillaine
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You guys stop making up wierd things.
Hachi and Takumi are Ren's parents for 100%

Remember how Shin asked Hachi few chapters ago what about Ren and is it okay for Hachi to leave him alone? And when she talked that she wanted to give him a name with a meaning of a flower?(the same as Satsuki) But couldn't think of anythink other than "Ren"?

The question is how is that she ended up with two children after Takumi did what he did...


i agree with you! and since it has been a looong hiatus i have started speculating that one of them could be nanas and rens baby! but i know its almost impossible, but we got to admit ai yazawa has a twisted sence of humor!lol i cant wait to see what will happen next hopefully hachi has the baby in the next chapter

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Ren can't be Nanas child she was on birthcontrol remember although know the author that could be a cool twist.. i always wondered why in some chapters they always showed Nana taking her pill..but then why is ren blonde?.. Ren is not Reira's son for obvoius reasons shown in the manga.

I think Ren is Satsuki's older brother..and is Hachi and Nobu's child because they look alike and they made some hints about how either of them could be the father. But you should consider the fact that Takumi was away on Tour and Nobu was with Hachi more during the time period where she got pregnant. Hachi went along with Takumi because he was the only one willing to take responsibility and she didn't want to ruin Nobu's life. Hachi named him Ren in honor of Ren and his wish to name her children after a flower. And even though little Ren is smart and quick like Takumi that doesnt mean he is the father.. children try to emulate their parents and as far as Ren knows Takumi is his Dad.

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i don't think that little Ren is HachiXNobu son, they both clueless and little Ren character is more like Takumi ---> smart, cold, sharp eye, etc

if little Ren is HachiXNobu son that kid must be really energetic like Hachi n Nobu.


Uuuuh.. you know.. Kids personality isn't like their parents.. They act like the ones who raise them
So even if he is Nobu's child, he was raised with Takumi as his father.. And even that means nothing cos kids aren't copies of their parents
Lil Ren could be like that just cos that's his personality

But given this is manga and Lil Ren has light hair... I'd say it's pretty likely he's Nobu's
Who knows?


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I think Ren is Satsuki's older brother..and is Hachi and Nobu's child because they look alike and they made some hints about how either of them could be the father. But you should consider the fact that Takumi was away on Tour and Nobu was with Hachi more during the time period where she got pregnant. Hachi went along with Takumi because he was the only one willing to take responsibility and she didn't want to ruin Nobu's life. Hachi named him Ren in honor of Ren and his wish to name her children after a flower. And even though little Ren is smart and quick like Takumi that doesnt mean he is the father.. children try to emulate their parents and as far as Ren knows Takumi is his Dad.


Exactly what I think!

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From wiki:

In future sequences, Satsuki is a six-year-old child and Ren is her older brother. Satsuki is a name Ren Honjo had chosen for Hachi if the child she has is a girl. If the child ended up being a boy, Hachi is unsure what to name him, since she desires to name her child after a flower, like Ren (one of the few suitable flower names Hachi can think of for a boy). Ren's death however makes it seem likely that her baby was named after Ren in his honour while her second child, a girl this time, got the name as chosen by Ren. Although their family life is undoubtedly unstable and separated (with Hachi and Satsuki in Japan and Takumi and Ren in London), Hachi is still willing to be married and Satsuki wishes her family to be together. Takumi and Naoki also have a conversation about how it must be difficult on their children to have their family separated, and that Ren (who is staying with Takumi in England) should not stay in a foreign country but go back to Japan. Nobu shows concern for Ren's staying with Takumi in London and not attending the fireworks with Satsuki. However, the paternity of Hachi's first child is still uncertain, though Satsuki has black hair (as Takumi).

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I read everything and now I think this:

Little Ren is Nobu's kid. He's blond and looks like Nobu, Takumi's not stupid he's already upset and now get's mad, has sex with Hachi and gets her pregnant again.

Takumi loves Ren because he likes to play music and wants to show Hachi she can't be free and happy with Nobu. And it's kind of funny. Nobu gives presents to Takumi's child and Takumi takes care of Nobu's kid.

Maybe we'll see soon ! smile

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There's 2 shin? How come i don't remember that??

Well it's been quite awhile since i've read this series so it's all kind of vague to me, but i remember that at that time i assumed that hachi has twins instead... hence little Ren is also one of her twins.. confused

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Ren can't be Nanas child she was on birthcontrol remember although know the author that could be a cool twist.. i always wondered why in some chapters they always showed Nana taking her pill..but then why is ren blonde?.. Ren is not Reira's son for obvoius reasons shown in the manga.

I think Ren is Satsuki's older brother..and is Hachi and Nobu's child because they look alike and they made some hints about how either of them could be the father. But you should consider the fact that Takumi was away on Tour and Nobu was with Hachi more during the time period where she got pregnant. Hachi went along with Takumi because he was the only one willing to take responsibility and she didn't want to ruin Nobu's life. Hachi named him Ren in honor of Ren and his wish to name her children after a flower. And even though little Ren is smart and quick like Takumi that doesnt mean he is the father.. children try to emulate their parents and as far as Ren knows Takumi is his Dad.


Right on! eyes

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