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Post #108864 - Reply to (#108861) by Crenshinibon
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I'm not entirely sure I believe you. The photograph itself could easily be altered, and it's impossible to tell anything over the internet anyway. But even supposing I did, there is a lot of debate as to whether or not that yellowish blob would be a ghost or an undead of any sort. As much as I love occult stuff (not that I believe it works, mind you) it just just as easily be any number of things, even something like an alien jumps to mind. I would guess that his son was moving stuff around just like any other trouble making little kid.

I retain my statement of there being no hard evidence (not that it matters).


yea, thats pretty much what i think too, just a "yellowish blob" is not nearly enough of a thing to get me thinking about it
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like he said, it could be altered very easily nowadays.

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sometimes i think that i was never born and will never die. I will continue to live on from the energy and mass we past down.

for me it kinda sounds really OUT THERE but it's one of the things i think about.


Is'nt there a theory about how energy cant be destroyed...?

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I'm not entirely sure I believe you. The photograph itself could easily be altered, and it's impossible to tell anything over the internet anyway. But even supposing I did, there is a lot of debate as to whether or not that yellowish blob would be a ghost or an undead of any sort. As much as I love occult stuff (not that I believe it works, mind you) it just just as easily be any number of things, even something like an alien jumps to mind. I would guess that his son was moving stuff around just like any other trouble making little kid.

I retain my statement of there being no hard evidence (not that it matters).


That's actuallly better than the answer I was expecting. Thanks for not being too harsh.

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Maybe? I remember some article that made me go from No to maybe.

It said like if you don't believe now it is fine but when that time comes when you are on the bridge between either paths, it is better to have believed in God so your chances are higher going to a better place.

More elegantly written but thats the gist.

What got me was that it did not ask for me to convert right now. It did not quote lines from the bible and it was simple.

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Post #108871 - Reply to (#108863) by alyxva1
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I'm not talking about your physical body.


sometimes i think that i was never born and will never die. I will continue to live on from the energy and mass we past down.

for me it kinda sounds really OUT THERE but it's one of the things i think about.


Actually, I always think those kind of statements are really interesting. There is a sort of pseudo-scientific idea backing it, and it's not totally out of the question either. It's just that consciousness is still impossible to prove, and even harder to make relevant when relating to that theory.

I believe there is also a law of conservation of energy or something similar, but energy is different from mass as it is gradually converted from useful energy into waste heat (if memory serves- it's been a while, and I'm more interested in philosophy anyway), so although it isn't destroyed, it's gradually rendered into a useless form that it cannot be restored from.

And there would be no reason to be harsh about the photograph thing. I mean, I might not believe it, but getting angry or even heated up over something like that (and over the internet) would be ridiculous.

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I am an avowed atheist. That said, I don't particularly care what other people believe in, as long as acting on their beliefs doesn't put them over the line. For example, I don't care about real Baptists, because their actions are fine; given a face to face meeting with a member of the Westboro Baptist Church, I would not miss the opportunity to punch said member in his face. Likewise, I am wary of all theistic Satanists, because they're either messed up or out for attention (LeVeyan Satanism is fine by me, though).

Of course, this ambivalence is easily shaken: when somebody tells me that I am wrong about my religious choice (that is to say, no religion--atheism), I will first warn him to stop going down that route; if he continues, I will either (and this depends solely on my mood) do my best to undermine his faith, or just act like a jerk until he leaves.

Because of this understanding, I am quite good friends with an Evangelical Christian dude. There are right ways to approach religious discussion (explaining personal beliefs, for example), and wrong ways ('You're wrong!' 'No, you're wrong!').

But that's just the topic posted on the front page.

It seems that we have since turned to discussing ghosts.

And like God (or any of various other deities), ghosts will not exist for me until I've seen empirical proof of their existence. Until then, Occam's razor says "No."

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ghost might have something to do with the afterlife but nothing to do with god.

this topic derailed from god to afterlife. perhaps it time to get back on track.

and Pseudopadoz i think you're kick ass if you really want to punch one of the westboro baptist chruch members.

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I’m completely against trying to prove or deny the existence of god. The humanity is always learning and discovering new things about the world we’re are living that I think that trying to give a definite truth about the existence itself is quite an arrogant thing to do.

Trying to take away the belief in god which is the only thing that supports some people in this sometimes cruel world it’s just sociopath.

At the same time I think that affirming that all our actions are part of a plan done by a superior being and accepting this with no doubts for the sake of a after-life-paradise is taking away the real value of our short lives.

Post #108908 - Reply to (#108864) by Identity Crisis
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Is'nt there a theory about how energy cant be destroyed...?

Oh. Energy and mass are conserved together. Mass can be converted to energy and energy can be converted to mass (e = mc^2) (a positron and electron collision results in a complete mass to energy conversion).

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Is'nt there a theory about how energy cant be destroyed...?

Oh. Energy and mass are conserved together. Mass can be converted to energy and energy can be converted to mass (e = mc^2) (a positron and electron collision results in a complete mass to energy conversion).


A positron is the anti matter of electron. These two touching will result in complete annihilation of either particle and a massive release of energy. I have a question of my own, why is this related to God?

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I now feel like the dumbest person on the planet for not having a clue what the hell any of you guys are talking about.

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I now feel like the dumbest person on the planet for not having a clue what the hell any of you guys are talking about.

Well, imagine, probably a good 50 percent of the population does not know that.

If we say, that, out of all the random and almost infinite possibility of the universe, and the outside of the universe, that there cannot exist a slight chance that a powerful omnipotent being exists, is preposterous.

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Post #108953 - Reply to (#108916) by ares6
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Is'nt there a theory about how energy cant be destroyed...?

Oh. Energy and mass are conserved together. Mass can be converted to energy and energy can be converted to mass (e = mc^2) (a positron and electron collision results in a complete mass to energy conversion).


A positron is the anti matter of electron. These two touching will result in complete annihilation of either particle and a massive release of energy. I have a question of my own, why is this related to God?

lol nothing. I just thought Crenshinibon's explanation was a little weird so I wanted to clear it up.

But ares you know, that reminds me. I was reading a book one time and it spent a long time trying to convince me that light was made of particles (photons) and since it was an old book, I just assumed that at the time, not a lot of people thought of light as particles. So I asked my professor about it, and he told me "I don't think the general public today knows that light travels as particles... Or waves..." And it just made me really surprised.

But on topic, I agree with you ares, assuming an infinite universe with infinite time and possibilities. It's like saying aliens don't exist T_T

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this is a really sensitive topic, but I for one believe in the Flying Spagetti monster!!

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He hasn't done anything for me for the 25 years i've been alive so why should I?

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