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Batoto Closing
Batoto announced that they are closing their doors around January 18. This will be a sad day for the scanlation community.

In case you didn't know, they were a manga reader site that actually played nice with the wishes of scanlators. (Man, the old days with the Tazmo sites...)

On a personal level, I really understand RawR's reasoning on why he wants to quit. I've been helping run MangaUpdates for the last 11-ish years, and I've wanted to quit several times. In fact, I want to quit now still... but that's another story.

Batoto, you will be missed.




Edit:
This affects MangaUpdates somewhat due to our group policies. In case you didn't know, releases are only listed on MangaUpdates if they were done by a group that's in our database. (The term "group" is a misnomer because it could just be a single person.) A group would only be approved if it had one of the following: website, IRC channel, forum URL, Twitter, or Facebook page. A Batato group link could substitute as a website (but a link to a specific user could not be used, which is why any Batoto release filed under "No Group" has always been rejected).

This adversely affects smaller scanlation groups who don't have their own sites and exclusively hosted on Batoto. However, we're not changing our group requirements. If a new thing arises that replaces Batoto, we'll consider allowing that to be used as a website when listing a group.

FYI, in case you didn't know, the website listed for a group will never appear for you because of this development.
Posted by lambchopsil on January 7th 10:08pm Comments ( 53 )  [ View ]  [ Add ]
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» mevan883 on January 7th, 2018, 3:42pm

See You Space Cowboy...

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» RoxFlowz on January 7th, 2018, 3:50pm

A sad day indeed cry

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» EternalNightmare on January 7th, 2018, 5:00pm

That is going to complicate a lot of things...

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» svines85 on January 7th, 2018, 5:39pm

Thanks for the heads-up smile

A shame, not entirely unexpected, but still a shame.

Oh well, it was good while it lasted, we'll all just have to "endeavor to persevere!" biggrin

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» Zodiac Prince on January 7th, 2018, 5:42pm

man that's kinda depressing. one of, if not, the best manga site on the net imo. I'm gonna do some binging there for old time's sake.

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» SangMo on January 7th, 2018, 5:56pm

Hopefully someone will take up the reigns. I don't see why the owner doesn't pass it on instead of just closing it down because they don't "feel like running it anymore".

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» Maxieflame on January 7th, 2018, 9:53pm

Quote from SangMo
Hopefully someone will take up the reigns. I don't see why the owner doesn't pass it on instead of just closing it down because they don't "feel like running it anymore".

He explains his reasons for why he's doing so in the annoucement post.

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» cmertb on January 8th, 2018, 9:14pm

Quote from Maxieflame
He explains his reasons for why he's doing so in the annoucement post.

I've read the post a couple of times and I don't see that explanation. It's a valid question.

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» HE911 on January 7th, 2018, 9:25pm

You can't leave lambchopsil, it'd be a sad day if you did. cry cry

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» Skull_Leader on January 7th, 2018, 10:06pm

Sad day. But at the same time, I'm confused on the reasoning about having to always be on call 24/7 (even while sleeping) and never being able to take a vacation. Wasn't Batoto run by a group of people? If so, the problems Grumpy listed seems like they could've been dealt with by delegating some responsibilities and setting primary and backup people for various roles. That's generally how organizations are run.

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» Anima on January 8th, 2018, 12:07am

most likely only he had root access to everything. situation was the same with moot when he still ran 4chan.

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» svines85 on January 8th, 2018, 12:15am

Quote from Skull_Leader
Sad day. But at the same time, I'm confused on the reasoning about having to always be on call 24/7 (even while sleeping) and never being able to take a vacation. Wasn't Batoto run by a group of people? If so, the problems Grumpy listed seems like they could've been dealt with by delegating some res ...


I certainly don't know exactly how things were/have been most recently set up as far as day to day running that site, but as far as "run by a group of people" goes, of the small core that originally founded Batoto, the vast majority of them besides Grumpy have been gone for a while now. I started noticing some of the other main people disappearing as early as 2013 and '14.

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» Suxinn on January 8th, 2018, 2:27am

Wow, thanks for the heads up. I completely missed the announcement.

I've been on Batoto practically since day one, and to see it go like this is definitely a sad day. I expect this'll be some kind of milestone for the manga scanlation community, but I'm sure it won't be all bad. I wish Grumpy luck with all his future endeavors.

(Also, thanks to all the mods at MU for sticking with it all these years. We might not always say it, but know that we really appreciate all your hard work!)

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» tailor31415 on January 8th, 2018, 3:45am

wow, I've been reccing Batoto to people for years specifically because they played well with scanlators and had such a nice layout. I hope none of my favorite re-reads are lost with this change no

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» Heroxi on January 8th, 2018, 3:50am

I am really scared about individual runned series.They only uploaded to there, so what will happen to lots of series such as them a big question mark.

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» residentgrigo on January 8th, 2018, 4:48am

I don´t really care and only started using that site for "exclusive" content once they went members only. I don´t event think that anyone should be surprised by this and no one will care in a few months, as that´s how these things go.

The Bato only groups should get a public grace period before they become delisted on MU, or whatever, so they can set up another official "presence".

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» lostCat on January 9th, 2018, 12:13pm

Quote from residentgrigo
I don´t event think that anyone should be surprised by this and no one will care in a few months, as that´s how these things go.


It's not surprising and you may not care, but others will.

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» VawX on January 8th, 2018, 5:19am

I still remember the day when Batoto was advertised here mmm...
The only place where you can actually read scanlation in true form and not heavily monetized mmm...
Such a sad day, goodbye Grumpy and Batoto, we'll miss you mmm...

I'm glad you're still here lamb mmm...

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» Geese1 on January 8th, 2018, 5:31am

And this is one of the reasons I don't use online readers and only read series I can download. Don't have to worry about losing a series if I want to go back and re-read it.

That said, hopefully these groups that only release on Batoto will find another acceptable way to release their series. It could be as simple as setting up a Facebook page with an account with MEGA to allow downloads, or whatever.

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» .:Aerith:. on January 8th, 2018, 11:25am

Honestly, I feel like he put himself through too much, unnecessary stress, I don't see why he had to be available 24/7, of course he would get burned out at some point; for example, the site gets a DDoS attack? Put it offline, people can wait a few hours/days; when it happened on MF during a weekend or holidays, the owners didn't really care and nobody died while waiting for them to fix things *shrugs*
Also, why make a site that is going to die as soon as the owner decides it's time to move on? I don't get it and keep in mind that I don't really care what happens to batoto or any other aggregator site since I prefer to follow the groups and download their releases when available.
Guess the next best option for the groups is to use google drive ._.

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» auraya on January 9th, 2018, 8:51am

Quote from .:Aerith:.
Guess the next best option for the groups is to use google drive ._..

That's exactly what we're switching to. Going to host our images in folders on there.

Farewell, my dear Batoto.

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» svines85 on January 9th, 2018, 9:50am

Quote from auraya
That's exactly what we're switching to. Going to host our images in folders on there.

Farewell, my dear Batoto.


I'll have to check out google drive for images and see how it works, I've only ever used it for shared docs, so I guess I'll see. Thanks for the heads-up to the both of you.

Imgur is a viable alternative for those who want to offer their own online reading option as well, load your release as an "album", works fine smile

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» cmertb on January 9th, 2018, 10:20am

Quote from auraya
That's exactly what we're switching to. Going to host our images in folders on there.

Farewell, my dear Batoto.

You have yet to learn how quickly Google wipes out content that triggers their detection even when it isn't shared.

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» svines85 on January 9th, 2018, 11:02am

Quote from cmertb
You have yet to learn how quickly Google wipes out content that triggers their detection even when it isn't shared.


Oh, are there those kinds of issues...?

Yeah, that is a problem........of course it might pertain to how people are titling their files, I've noticed a lot of (I'm assuming newer) groups don't realize it's a bad idea to actually post downloads/shares however that are being hosted somewhere else, with names that let anyone that hasn't been linked there know what they actually are biggrin

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» juliarox214 on January 8th, 2018, 4:26pm

Too bad because I really liked being able to "read" dropped series in other languages. Easier in Spanish or Italian than in Japanese.

I just don't want the manga community to dieeee!!

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» cecropiamoth on January 8th, 2018, 7:23pm

I read up on this matter after hearing about it yesterday. The main problem it seems that it is likely to create for manga readers is that alternate sites that have UPLOAD reception capability, as opposed to just bots that downloaded material from Botato, are rare. That means that scanlators who WANT to share to aggregators will have trouble doing so.

That was my general impression from reading on Reddit, etc. Does anyone know if this is true?

Personally, I use Kiss manga.

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» EternalDevotion on January 8th, 2018, 11:39pm

~ A Staff Mod from Batoto here~

Grumpy isnt goin to hand his torch over to anyone cause he knows the headache behind
the scenes. The IP Board doesnt have the capability to handle what it requires...
But that not the reason why.... Batoto is tainted. Grumpy rather whoever to start over anew
instead of burdenin someone else with those ^ issues. There is legal matters & Plus it does
require lots of money to maintain cause it is a hosting images without limits among other
issues.. High standard quality with no compressions and high traffic with 35% bots ...
someone with deep pockets can maybe maintain it.

He doesnt want to go into detail of his reasoning and just state a more general approach of
hoping you guys would understand. Even if it isnt this year, its only a matter of time before
grumpy announce such. It's sad but our grumpy cat needs his rest.

Grumpy didnt intend his site to be so popular and for such use at first.It was suppose
to be a place where his scanlation fans can go and be part involve in. It just suddenly grown
from that point where he decides to expand it so everyone can contribute and make more
manga known.

Even I who works as a mod having headache dealing with some members and just how many
does uploads , doing moderating on site is hard enough... dealing with the backlashes behind
the scene I cant imagine what grumpy is going through than what he generally announced.>.<'
handle uploads.

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» cmertb on January 9th, 2018, 5:26pm

Quote from EternalDevotion
Batoto is tainted. Grumpy rather whoever to start over anew
instead of burdenin someone else with those ^ issues.

With all due respect to Grumpy, this is something for the potential successor to decide. All he needed to do was make the offer with full disclosure -- if no one agreed, then whatever he'd do would all be fine. But instead he decided on everyone's behalf, without any consultation or prior notice, and will now destroy the whole community that formed around Batoto. Content is actually secondary to community. That is what saddens me.

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» VawX on January 10th, 2018, 10:29pm

TBH when the first time I join Batoto back in 2011, I also never thought that it will be this huge mmm...
I thought it will be small heaven for scanlation group and most people will still go to other aggregator site which "provide" faster load since they rescale the image and stuff mmm...

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» noctemleya on January 10th, 2018, 1:47pm

This is sad news, what a terrible way to start the year. I've been using faithfully Batoto since it came around as it was respecting the wishes of the scanlators and taking care to remove licensed manga chapters. The scanlations in other languages are going to be sorely missed as well, they are not usually so accessible as the manga community seems to be fragmented by country+forums. No way to stumble by chance on a manga in French/Russian/etc. while searching for info or translations in English.

Maybe some user activity should have been restricted to allow for a more manageable space? Although I loved the vibrant community, if it became too much to handle I am sure most users would accept some policing here and there instead of simply seeing everything gone. Knowing that we won't be able to see it anymore is just... too much somehow. cry

Still, thank you mods and thank you Grumpy for bringing us together on your platform until now. I hope your legacy won't be lost.

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» butako chan on January 13th, 2018, 10:45am

Please don't leave lambchopsil. I depend on this database for keeping track of my manga and discovering new ones. The database on this site is so extensive that it's irreplaceable. Thank you for the hard work you do to maintain this!

Also, Batoto will be dearly missed. I've continued to use them since the beginning due to how they respected the wishes of scanlation groups. Thanks for posting about this.

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» installgentoo on January 13th, 2018, 12:17pm

And nothing of value was lost. Needing an account just to read stuff is disgusting as it gives them the ability to track you.

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» cecropiamoth on January 13th, 2018, 12:26pm

Ditto on the "Please don't leave!" I'm an old guy who loves manga. I discovered all these great stories in 2010, shortly after I retired, while I was looking for free stories online. And I was absolutely LOST in the huge mass of manga! Eventually I figured out that most manga were not aimed at my age group (to say the least), but I also finally understood that the category Seinen often fit my tastes.

Baka has been my friend ever since. I'd still be lost in the world of manga without it.

You guys do a wonderful job.

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» Akatsubaki on January 14th, 2018, 10:15am

I don't want to see the day when I open MU and see the dreaded announcement that MU will close its door. I understand the hardwork the admins and mods to maintain this site, you must be sacrificing a lot of time to enjoy your life. I won't persuade and beg you to stay on this site, Lamb. You have been doing so much for us, so when the time you'll say you are gonna quit, I will respect that decision. Just ensure a new leaf is ready to continue to take care of this beloved site.
On regard of Batoto, though I don't go there anymore, it's still a very sad news and I want to cry for the lost of one of great community. But Grumpy has decided. Wish him the best for all his future endeavors and the rest of us need to move on.

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» gwkimmy on January 15th, 2018, 1:18am

I'm really sad about batoto and know some people who really depend on that site for their manga...although i directly follow the groups now since batoto often didn't update fast enough for my liking lol

omg PLEASE never close this site down! my manga habits literally depend on it ;_; if you guys ever need money to cover costs I will gladly fork some over.

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» sushiaddiction on January 15th, 2018, 6:29am

Could manga updates send out an email to all the groups that listed batoto as their web site. Ask them to update it?

It would be a shame to lose all the groups.

Some may not realise there is a script that helps users, that makes listing a web site convenient.

Maybe give them an option to use something very simple for the web link if they already have a facebook/twitter link, like ghostbin
At least then smaller single person groups can link to their folders without having to set up a site.

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» svines85 on January 15th, 2018, 9:38am

I'm assuming the majority of those groups simply did that out of convenience. I mean come on, it takes about a minute and a half to set up a (free) Word Press or Blogger account (all you need).....oh, that's right, and they gotta actually offer downloads/some way to share their releases now.........yeah, add another minute and a half to sign up (free) with Dropbox, MediaFire or Imgur.

If they're at all serious about continuing their hobby, they'll just have to do what all the rest of us have done, which is be an actual scan group and not just a member of some composite reader site that uploads content there.

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» F_J on January 15th, 2018, 1:29pm

So I was reading, and apparently a discord chat is being made (via Comics) kinda as a backdrop of batoto. Here

I don't know if people who aren't considered groups would join or not?

With batoto closing I feel that many groups may go back to the old school irc servers. Sigh... Reminds me of the old days with Onemanga shutting down.

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» KaizokuOP on January 15th, 2018, 2:19pm

Yeah, anyone can come join that discord chat.

And I definitely was triggered nostalgia when I happened upon Onemanga shutting down on my search results when I was looking up if Mangafox was closing too.

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» Mirurururu on January 15th, 2018, 2:25pm

This is just sad.. so many websites closed and opened during the years and now one of the good ones who actually has good quality manga is closing down.

On another note, I've beem into manga since the early 2000s and the forming (and discovery) of baka updates has been a huge part in my manga+anime info. I always use baka for info on manga, mangaka, licensed volumes and what to buy, you seriously have no idea how helpful your website is (it has also helped me win a couple of manga related arguments xD).

The thought that you might be closing is very heart breaking, and we are sorry if we don't show you how much we appreciate your efforts and hard work on this website (and the iOS app). Really, its an excellent website and thank you very much for your hard work. Everything you provide on the website: tags, categories, mangaka info, manga names, mangas associated, reviews, ratings, how many volumes, licensing status and even your weekly polls are some of the things I always look for when I enter the website.

What I'm trying to say is... please don't close TT~~~TT and what can we do to help?

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» residentgrigo on January 15th, 2018, 10:56pm

The suggestion that the scanlation scene is slowly eroding is utter nonsense and i can easily disprove it with http://alexa.com/siteinfo.
Viewers sites live of clicks and kissmanga has a global rank of 2.023. Mangafox is at 2.978. Mangapark is at 3.143. While bato is at 4.351. Still a top 10.000 site, so they survived the member only policy just fine, but they weren´t the leader last year. Also look just how much manga and anime reddit and sub-reddits get traffic and those directly link to scans. Who knows what the peak year for the manga piracy scene is but it can´t be far in the past. MU is at place 12.856 btw. and was around 10.000 this summer.

It´s the legal side of the market, aka. the actual market, that we need to worry about. Bato lastly had less manga that the typical viewer due to their (random) curation decisions. Onemanga or mangatraders shut down and nothing came of that. Traders was even past it´s prime. Mangahelpers going though their "reform" couldn´t even shake the pirates so nothing will come of this too.

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» cmertb on January 16th, 2018, 8:24am

If you want to judge whether the scene is eroding or not, I think a more relevant measurement is the number of actual releases. The number of anonymous readers is of absolutely no relevance to scanlation.

(reply to residentgrigo, clicked the wrong reply button)

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» hiei_luke on January 16th, 2018, 9:15am

I feel affected, like seriously.
I usually went to Batoto to get direct sources, not reading via this reader but getting links to go to the scanlators' pages. Before this, I felt disheartened when MU can't upload their pages anymore & with this decision, it will be tremendous lost. I don't know any other solution if I want to get to the hard-to-get scanlators' pages :c
(yup, simple Google-ing won't do much)

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» sushiaddiction on January 16th, 2018, 5:18pm

Quote from hiei_luke
...
I usually went to Batoto to get direct sources, not reading via this reader but getting links to go to the scanlators' pages..


every group listed on batoto in an open office spreadsheet
https://mega.nz/#!elZ10ASC!U8xPmwAvhfb65Iv6P8AreZY7XO_i xbyJ_Png6tgIU94

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» EternalNightmare on January 16th, 2018, 4:28pm

Can no longer access the site already... o7

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» youtakun on January 16th, 2018, 4:49pm

Depending on the timezone they're 1-2 days too soon.

Cloudflare still cached this bit of text, but not that it's useful or anything (maybe give it some time?):

Quote
Batoto will shut down permanently on January 18, 2018

Follows list export now available on "My Follows" page (to the right)

If domain is no longer up, forums will be available at the alternate address of vatoto.com (not used right now)

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» baiyang on January 16th, 2018, 5:26pm

Quote
every group listed on batoto in an open office spreadsheet
https://mega.nz/#!elZ10ASC!U8xPmwAvhfb65Iv6P8AreZY7XO_i xbyJ_Png6tgIU94

I was planning to manually trawl through my follows and pull the websites for each group so I freaked out when batoto went down today.

this spreadsheet just made my life so much easier...ty!

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» sushiaddiction on January 16th, 2018, 5:41pm

https://github.com/loadletter/mangaupdates-urlfix
It helps a lot too, if you didn't already know.

Unfortunately many single person translators still have their site listed as batoto.

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