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Question: Have you ever tried reading manga while drinking?
No, and I am not interested in trying - votes: 1191 (20.4%)
No, I don't even drink - votes: 2714 (46.5%)
Yes, and it was an unpleasant experience - votes: 116 (2%)
No, but I would be interested in trying - votes: 595 (10.2%)
Yes, and it was an enjoyable experience - votes: 405 (6.9%)
Yes, but it made no difference - votes: 813 (13.9%)
There were 5834 total votes.
The poll ended: February 10th 2018
Probably should've done the polls the other way around. Oh well
» tactics on February 10th, 2018, 2:48am
Gone are my days of drinking to get drunk. Now I either drink because I just fancy something with a kick or it's social drinking.
I usually casually drink Sake or Yuzu at home, and beers when I'm socialising or at the pub watching football.
» VawX on February 10th, 2018, 4:24am
So for anyone who drink or not drink because they like it or don't like it, what's the main purpose you like/dislike it, is it the taste or what mmm...~?
» im_uni on February 10th, 2018, 3:50pm
I'm OK with high % of alcohol as long as the drink doesn't taste of ethanol itself.
» gwkimmy on February 11th, 2018, 6:29pm
I might have been traumatized as a child when I asked my uncle for a cup of soda and he gave me a cup of beer instead. I threw up LOL
» Rasparr on February 10th, 2018, 4:57am
I DO however consume alcohol when it's an ingredient of cakes or desserts like Schwarzwälder Kirschtorte or Tiramisu.
» Senrosj on February 10th, 2018, 12:59pm
Anyways, I went for ocassionally. I rarely drink and when I do it's with other people. I used to get a beer when I ate in a restaurant, but now I barely do it. And once in a blue moon I'll drink too much with my friends and get drunk. In my senior year of high school I did drink a fair bit though. There were many parties and all of them have a lot of alcohol.
» KaoriNite on February 10th, 2018, 1:33pm
» residentgrigo on February 10th, 2018, 1:37pm
» train93 on February 10th, 2018, 4:41pm
» MinatoAce on February 10th, 2018, 11:08pm
Well it's turning into 'No, because I don't like it', with the passage of time. 'Will' was thrown into options unnecessarily btw.
» drunkguy on February 11th, 2018, 1:15am
» Eloriel on February 11th, 2018, 6:00am
» svines85 on February 11th, 2018, 10:49am
» zarlan on February 12th, 2018, 9:24am
What if you simply don't fancy the idea, of voluntarily poisoning yourself, impairing your judgement, motor skills and memory, and making sure you do stuff, that you'll (possibly very deeply) regret?
(I went with health reasons)
» RoxFlowz on February 12th, 2018, 11:28am
» Mamsmilk on February 13th, 2018, 7:31am
» gormadoc on February 13th, 2018, 8:44pm
For those who don't like the taste of beer but are interested in trying more, try a gose. They are more similar to cider in taste and shouldn't taste like alcohol. If you're in a US city, you can definitely find one in a bar near you. Same should be true for some European countries.
For those outside the countries with craft beer movements, I understand your dislike. Those beers are guaranteed to suck.
» LazyCat3 on February 14th, 2018, 10:51am
» zarlan on February 15th, 2018, 3:38am
Sugar is only bad, in large quantities, sure ...but sugar is an essential nutrient. Meat is essentially the same.
Ethanol, however, is a poison.
The quantity determines how severely you are poisoned and how badly you are impaired. Not whether or not you are poisoned/impaired.
The minerals are in the alcohol, is it?
Please note that all these studies on wine (done by wine drinkers. No bias there, eh?), apparently don't seem to be able to be done, on other forms of alcohol. Kinda suggests that the alcohol, has nothing to do with it, doesn't it?
» LazyCat3 on February 16th, 2018, 10:16am
zarlan dude you quote what i said ("wine has minerals") how did you manage to change and not understand what i said? i said WINE has minerals NOT all alcoholic drinks... and red wine helps if you have problems with blood circulation, and strong drinks like vodka help if you have problems with high blood pressure. i'm not forcing anybody to drink alcohol, i just point out some real facts, because the non-drinkers act like people who drink are some losers.
» zarlan on February 16th, 2018, 1:58pm
I changed nothing.
You were saying it, in defence of alcoholic drinks.
For your statement to have had any relevance, whatsoever, to be able to defend alcoholic beverages, the benefit needs to be from the alcohol itself, or your argument is utterly invalid.
Benefits from non-alcohol aspects, have nothing to do with the alcoholic nature, of the beverage, after all.
So, therefore it is only natural to ask if you are proposing that the minerals are part of the alcohol. This question should make anyone, with any sense, realise their error.
...except you didn't.
How you managed such a feat...
...which have no kind of relevance, to the issue at hand, whatsoever.
...and you're not?
You voluntarily poison yourselves, indeed pay premium prices for it.
Either to totally lose all control, judgement and sanity, and do totally stupid things
...or to "be more social". I.e., you are too shy, have bad self esteem or some other issue but, rather than deal with that, and better yourself, you take the easy way out and drug yourself, instead, using alcohol as a crutch.
You're too much of a coward, to be around people, so you drink.
I'll get plenty of hate, for what I just wrote, but...
Can anyone make a reasonable argument, against it?
I don't see it happening.
I've certainly never heard one.
(as to the taste: You don't need the alcohol, for that. AFAIK, no one is a fan of the taste, of the alcohol, in and of itself ...and I've heard about most [not all, from what I've heard ...but certainly most] alcoholic drinks, tasting shit, and requiring quite some time, to get used to. Why does anyone bother to? Because of the alcohol. To get drunk ...or a little buzzed. Whatever degree of being affected by alcohol, that they are aiming for)
» gormadoc on February 16th, 2018, 4:32pm
» zarlan on February 17th, 2018, 7:50am
That is utterly untrue. Capsaicin (I assume that's what you mean, in the case of "peppers") can be bad, if you get in a wrong place, or if you get too much of it, but in usual food consumption, it has no adverse or toxic effects, at all (there are multiple medicinal applications, however). The burning sensation, is due to it reacting with the nerves that have to do with pain/heat, but there is no actual heat or tissue damage.
It can be bad, if you take too much, but that's beside the point.
As to mint... Menthol I assume? It has several beneficial effects, and medical uses, but poisonous? The best I could find, to support that claim, was a mention that it can be bad for you, in very high doses (as is the case, with everything. Including water)
As for Cinnamon... I assume you're talking about coumarin? Here, at least, there is some truth to it, as it is slightly toxic, to the liver and kidneys.
It has several beneficial properties, but I see no evidence of it being the least bit toxic, to humans.
Being a pesticide, means that it is toxic to one or more species, that we see as pests.
That says absolutely nothing, about whether or not it is toxic to humans.
» gormadoc on February 18th, 2018, 11:19am
Like it or not, capsaicin is an irritant and can induce nausea or vomiting. And it actually can cause tissue damage, most notably in the eyes.
As for menthol, yes, I'm glad you agree that it can be bad for you in high doses, as is the case for all poisons. High dosage is, of course, a relative term. While you correctly claim that menthol has good effects, many other poisons can have good effects as well, but poisons they remain.
Cinnamaldehyde is what I was referring to, although coumarin works as well. Cinnamaldehyde (and many other aldehyde flavorings) is genotoxic.
As for thymol, I'll grant that I was more teasing you than serious.
However, you missed the broader point. All of what you eat contains poisons. Normal fruit juice often contains a small amount of alcohol (orange juice can be 0.5% ABV). You could try going for a poison-less diet but it would not be very tasty or it would be exorbitantly expensive. If you are unwilling to forgo any food that contains the above poisons simply because they are poisons as you claim others should do for alcohol, you should reevaluate your position.
It seems that you may think that because the above poisons have beneficial applications (as virtually every biological chemical can) that they can be excused, and since you refuse to admit that ethanol has any good effects that it shows ethanol can't be okay to consume. I'm probably foolish to think so, but perhaps you'll believe it if I provide another beneficial use of ethanol: it is an antidote to methanol poisoning, and when used in such a manner, has no bad long term effects.
» zarlan on February 18th, 2018, 2:04pm
By that definition, water would count as a poison
...and it's clearly not.
...which will not happen, from eating food, with the substance in it.
At least not, for most people.
I don't know how you eat...
Yes, but only at very high doses, which most people will never be exposed to.
At lower doses, it causes no harm, whatsoever. It does, however, have various positive effects.
Thus being pretty much the opposite of a poison.
Alcohol, however, has detrimental effects, at any dose (the severity depending on the dose, of course) ...and no positive effects, whatsoever.
That's the first major compound I found ...but I assumed you meant coumarin, as I couldn't find any trace of anything, indicating that cinnamaldehyde, would be toxic, in any way.
Your linked study, indicates a (largely negligible, and counteracted by the body, thus resulting in no actual harm) genotoxic effect ...and it's just one single paper and you've shown no information about it having been reproduced.
Either way, the negative effects are non-existent, in general (non-obviously extreme) cinnamon consumption, but it does, however, have various positive effects.
See the above comparison of menthol vs alcohol.
I'm not entirely sure about coumarin. The info is a bit scant.
Aside from, arguably, coumarin being negligibly toxic, you have stunningly failed to show this to be anywhere near being true, so...
...which you think is comparable, to drinks where you have knowingly created an intentional high amount of alcohol?
There are good reasons to eat fruits.
But beer? Wine? Vodka?
(also, why should I believe your cited alcohol level, for orange juice? ...which, BTW isn't a fruit. It is a fruit product. Not particularly more healthy, than stuff like Coke, Pepsi or Fanta)
You have not shown that they are poisons.
That is not a beneficial effect, of normal ethanol consumption.
That is a beneficial effect, in a specific medical situation, and only that situation.
That doesn't count.
(just as some of the benefits from menthol or the other substances above, don't count, for the same reason ...but they still have various benefits, even in normal consumption)
Ethanol also has various other benefits, such as being part of antiseptic hand sanitizers, a fuel or a solvent ...none of which, has anything to do with consuming it.
Thus, those benefits aren't relevant to this discussion and do not count as benefits, for our purposes.
» Senrosj on February 16th, 2018, 5:07pm
As far as alcohol goes, I doubt anyone would say it's healthy to drink. Might there be some benefits to it? Maybe, but do those benefits make it worth it? Probably not. Alcohol does lower your blood pressure, but I doubt a doctor would tell you to drink to combat high blood pressure. However, they do tell you not to drink, if you take medications against high blood pressure. Anyways, this was just me just talking bs.
What I find strange is that for a long time people have been socializing while drinking alcohol. Parties have alcohol, high class events as well, small gatherings of friends (many of them) have alcohol. I found the notion of needing to drink alcohol weird as a kid, and I still kind of do. I rarely drink, but I do drink. While you say that drinking alcohol to impair yourself is stupid and makes you a loser, that is the only reason I can see for drinking alcohol. Why would you drink expensive shit otherwise that damages your health?
The way I see it, alcohol can make you enjoy time with strangers or people you don't know well as much as if you were spending time with your best friends. But that's kind of sad. That people put so many walls against each other that they need alcohol to be a bit more open with each other. Still, I agree that is better to work on yourself and any problems that you have, than to rely on alcohol. And drinking a lot to forget your problems is even worse.
» zarlan on February 17th, 2018, 8:00am
Also, you're making a case for him being off-topic, and irrelevant.
...which you can get, from countless non-alcoholic sources.
You haven't been reading this thread, then.
None that anyone has been able to give proper evidence for.
Countless things, can lower your blood pressure.
Those two notions, are not mutually exclusive.
I point out, in my comment, that those are the only reasons, that people drink alcohol for
...and also, why those are terrible reasons.
The social aspects...
You can get those "benefits", by learning how to behave differently and getting more courage and/or self-esteem and confidence ...rather than using the crutch of alcohol, and thereby making sure you never learn those things.
That reminds me: Scientific studies have shown, that trying to drink your sorrows away, is counter-productive. You just get more miserable (maybe not while you're drunk, necessarily, but...).
» tsuto on February 15th, 2018, 5:05am
» residentgrigo on February 15th, 2018, 2:44pm
http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/HealthyLiving/HealthyEating/ Nutrition/Alcohol-and-Heart-Health_UCM_305173_Article.jsp#.Wo X_HOciGUm
The problems are the usual give and take of overdoing it. My Russian grandfather was more or less a functioning alcoholic with his daily vodka input but he also never got sick. He was as heathy as a horse into his late 60s until mushroom poisoning did him in.
Edit: I shouldn´t engage with an random edgy anon on the web who can´t be bothered to show data of their own but but whatever. Let´s go with a compilation link: http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20150901-is-alcohol-really-bad-f or-you
So alcohol is scientifically proven to help your body in certain ways and endanger you in others. There are certainly better ways to get the advantages but a bit of wine here and there won´t harm anyone. Outside of tasting like shit that is... Alcohol is also commonly used as a disinfectant but it´s pure poison and out to kill us. Sure fam.
» zarlan on February 16th, 2018, 6:16am
That link, contained exactly ZERO data.
Not even anything that would come close to making a reference to/mention of a study.
Just a collection of claims and nothing more.
Correlation is not causation. There are a million other factors involved
...and there are tons of poisonous, or otherwise harmful, substances and/or practices, that tons of people used to do, without getting sick and whilst living fairly long and well, overall. (though, naturally, not as long or well, as if they hadn't)