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New Poll - Form vs. Function
This week's poll was suggested by jacob66. Form over function? Or function over form?

You can submit poll ideas here
http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=3903

Previous Poll Results:
Question: What is your race or origin?
Choices:
Two or more races (i.e., mixed) - votes: 378 (9%)
Some other race - votes: 175 (4.2%)
Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander - votes: 17 (0.4%)
Black or African American - votes: 270 (6.4%)
Asian - votes: 1086 (25.9%)
American Indian or Alaska Native - votes: 23 (0.5%)
White - votes: 1727 (41.2%)
Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish origin - votes: 513 (12.2%)
There were 4189 total votes.
The poll ended: August 29th 2020

Lots of legitimate concerns over how USA conducts its census
Posted by lambchopsil on 
August 29th 7:47am
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» VawX on August 29th, 2020, 1:12am

Practical all the way mmm...
This is exactly why Crocs is a great product, it's just super comfortable mmm...

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» residentgrigo on August 29th, 2020, 2:16am

A comic site talking about race, what could go wrong. Next time aks questions about the continent we live on.

Practical.

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» PZcolo on August 29th, 2020, 2:39am

Really? why are this polls always so constrained and un-specific?

I could answer for example:
Work of art: It ought to be beautiful
Potion/Weapon: it ought to be practical
Clothes: it ought to be both

Then one could go for efficient or unpractical but powerful (like a bomb), or cheap, and so on.

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» HikaruYami on August 31st, 2020, 5:50am

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Clothes: it ought to be both


I mean, use clothes as the perfect example. The question is about "more" important, not which is important at all. If you're too indecisive to say whether it's more important for clothing to be practical or beautiful then I guess don't vote, but I can assure you that I and every other person who chose "practical" would confidently assert that it's *more* important for clothing to be practical than beautiful.

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» calstine on August 29th, 2020, 5:58am

This poll is poorly thought-out, imo. Things that are valued for their form (artwork, songs, party clothes, etc.) should be beautiful. Things whose purpose is functional (electronic devices, tools, work clothes, etc.) should be practical.

Not gonna vote on this one.

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» Transdude1996 on August 29th, 2020, 7:34am

Form ALWAYS trumps function. That's the entire history of sales and marketing in a nutshell. No one's going to use something, no matter HOW functional it is, if the form of it isn't appealing or practical to the buyer or user.

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» neofryboy on August 29th, 2020, 8:21am

No one would buy something that doesn't function. Function is ALWAYS most important. That doesn't mean aesthetics aren't useful in outselling the next guy, but without function nothing is useful. I'll buy the prettier object in the prettier box any day, but if it doesn't work I want my money back.

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» Transdude1996 on August 29th, 2020, 9:00am

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No one would buy something that doesn't function.

Yes, they do. It's called planned obsolescence. And, they do it with everything, from your car to your cell phone to fucking video games.

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» neofryboy on August 29th, 2020, 9:27am

My car, cell phone, and video games don't function? What? I went to the store yesterday, called my mom today, and played a 20 year old game last month. All possible due to items that functioned when I bought them. No one would buy something that doesn't function. 🙄

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» zarlan on August 29th, 2020, 10:51am

@Transdude1996 The oldest cars aren't really allowed on roads (though ones from, say, the 50's are usable), and very old cell phones don't quite work everywhere, given the networks/bands it connects to may no longer be used
...but to claim that old video games are unplayable, is beyond idiotic.

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» Transdude1996 on August 29th, 2020, 11:57am

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...but to claim that old video games are unplayable, is beyond idiotic.

Only a fraction of the Satellaview games are even in a playable format. Phantasy Star Online: Blue Burst is unplayable. The freemium editions The Suffering, Psi-Ops, and Area 51 are unplayable. Battlefield 2142 is unplayable. MAG is unplayable. And, those are the first few examples to come to mind that were released before the past decade.

Sure, you can mod or find a workaround for most of them so that you can play them, however when does that reach the point that it becomes an unreasonable demand?

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» zarlan on August 29th, 2020, 11:38pm

@Transdude1996 So what you're saying, is that old ONLINE video games are unplayable? (also note that most games that are affected by this, are not video games, but rather computer games)
That's largely true, but very obviously not anywhere close to what "old video games are unplayable" means.
Hence, that's clearly not a serious answer.

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» Transdude1996 on August 30th, 2020, 7:34am

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@Transdude1996 So what you're saying, is that old ONLINE video games are unplayable?

2/6 titles I listed by name are singleplayer only; 4/6 games (Technically five since previous versions of PSO were playable offline) I listed by named can be played completely offline, but require an online connection in order to be activated and further operate without an online connection.

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this, are not video games, but rather computer games

A video game IS NOT a video game? Are you fucking retarded?

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» zarlan on August 31st, 2020, 11:36pm

Quote from Transdude1996
2/6 titles I listed by name are singleplayer only; 4/6 games (Technically five since previous versions of PSO were playable offline) I listed by named can be played completely offline, but require an online connection in order to be activated and further operate without an online connection.

That's still a small subset of video and computer games. Hence making your statement ridiculously wrong. A more specific statement, specifying that subsection, as unplayable, would have been fine ...but "video games"? Hell no. I'm perfectly able to play old NES games, e.g.
Even the original pong can still be played.
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A video game IS NOT a video game? Are you fucking retarded?

A video game is played on a TV, using a console.
A computer game, is a game on a computer. (granted, you can connect a computer to a TV, but that's beside the point)
You're too stupid to get that, and you have the gall to call someone else a retard?

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» Transdude1996 on September 1st, 2020, 5:13am

Quote from zarlan
Quote from Transdude1996
2/6 titles I listed by name are singleplayer only; 4/6 games (Technically five since previous versions of PSO were playable offline) I listed by named can be played completely offline, but require an online connection in order to be activated and further operate without an online connection.

That's still a small subset of video and computer games.

Because I listed off video games that I actually play and that I know of off the top of my head. Ross' video, that I linked early, listed off several hundred video games.

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Even the original pong can still be played.

Yeah, you can, if people have maintained those jury-rigged television sets from almost 50 years ago.

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A video game IS NOT a video game? Are you fucking retarded?

A video game is played on a TV, using a console.
A computer game, is a game on a computer. (granted, you can connect a computer to a TV, but that's beside the point)
You're too stupid to get that, and you have the gall to call someone else a retard?

https://archive.vn/xB675
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Definition of video game
: an electronic game in which players control images on a video screen

And, for all intent and purposes, that is the agreed upon definition.

A few questions:
1. Why are you trying to start a fight over this, to where you're even trying to redefine what a "vidya geimu" is?
2. How old are you?
3. Are you one of the idiots bitch about how Sony is porting their video games to PC because now it doesn't make them a "reel vidya geimu" anymore?

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» zarlan on September 1st, 2020, 11:03pm

@Transdude1996 "several hundred" is still a very small subset. Not computer/video games, as a whole.
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an electronic game in which players control images on a video screen

A "video screen". Or TV as it's generally called. Notably different to a computer monitor.
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1. Why are you trying to start a fight over this, to where you're even trying to redefine what a "vidya geimu" is?

You're fighting. I am not.
You're trying to redefine. I am stating the actual definitions.

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» hkanz on August 29th, 2020, 10:40am

Generally function. I would say that the one thing that people really value form over function for (I’m not counting something like art, since the function of art is making an impression with its form) is clothing. I could go on and on about women’s clothing. The lack of pockets, or the pants having faux pockets or tiny pockets that you can’t even fit a phone in, is most heinous. Then we have shoes that impede walking, and jackets that look pretty but are totally dysfunctional for keeping one warm. I suppose one could argue that these items are designed to fulfill a secondary purpose of attracting men, but imagine the personality of a man who begrudges pockets. WE DON’T WANT HIM

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» zarlan on August 29th, 2020, 10:47am

Depends.

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» energizerbunny on August 29th, 2020, 5:13pm

Beautiful things have their own function! 😎

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» 5Cats on August 30th, 2020, 9:47am

7 / 93 at the moment, I would have thought more folks would pick beautiful, but no worries!

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» Jooles on August 30th, 2020, 11:39am

Depends, but in general, I agree with nature:

Women - form. Men - function.

... It's my way of saying that the poll is ridiculous. I'm being facetious. Maybe. I forget.

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» sagesmith on August 31st, 2020, 10:22am

I mean, let’s be real. Humans choose items for both. I got a beautiful couch, but it’s got storage space, and turns into a bed, and it’s extremely comfortable. Beauty and practicality in one! My lamps, coffee table, the tv stand, etc. Now items are graded on design (beauty) as well is practicality.

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» Wefa on August 31st, 2020, 11:04am

I'm surprised how many people here say with absolute surety you will still want something beautiful while mainly being practical. I mean the bag I carried through four years of high school was not aesthetically pleasing at all and I was the one that picked it. The material it was made from was pure leather so it was very durable so I was completely being practical when I picked it.

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» residentgrigo on September 1st, 2020, 10:29am

What is this "discussion" even...? Don´t respond to bait or even read it and normal conversations may one day return to this site. One day. Discourse rules further exist even if they seem to be off in this topic.

Did you know that Resident Evil Outbreak 1&2 can still be played online on the PC despite them being PS2 exclusives with dead servers? PC gaming finds a way.
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