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Another demographic poll, this time suggested by Desert

You can submit poll ideas here
http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=3903

Previous Poll Results:
Question: You are transported into an RPG. Which class do you choose?
Choices:
Mage - votes: 2629 (65.5%)
Thief - votes: 764 (19%)
Fighter - votes: 619 (15.4%)
There were 4012 total votes.
The poll ended: November 21st 2020

The more fantastical job that doesn't exist in the real world
Posted by lambchopsil on 
November 21st 5:38pm
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» pandascepter on November 21st, 2020, 2:39pm

Bein' bi is something, no one will suspect you bein' a gay because you like the other gender too.
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» kuroipon on November 21st, 2020, 5:26pm

You would think! But somehow everyone at my high school knew I wasn't straight even before I did lmao ๐Ÿ˜Ž ๐Ÿ˜Ž ๐Ÿ˜Ž

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Bein' bi is something, no one will suspect you bein' a gay because you like the other gender too.
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» rokyun_ on November 21st, 2020, 9:12pm

I've probably been bi since I was a kid but I didn't realize it until highschool lmao
then one day I was like oh girls are pretty too, I want to kiss one... Huh, that doesn't seem like a very straight thought. Oh well." ๐Ÿคฃ

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» CheshireCaine on November 22nd, 2020, 4:35am

Bi too xD

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» Trimutius on November 22nd, 2020, 5:49pm

I mean yeah being attracted to beautiful people is a given, so i am bi i mean i read all sorts of romance pairings too, shounen ai and shoujo ai are also romance not just shounen and shoujo (or yaoi and yuri for that matter, though plot in those is usually not the best so hard to find any good ones, unlike seinen or josei).

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» hkanz on November 25th, 2020, 8:31pm

Blown away by the results with almost 20% of people identifying as bi/pansexual and almost 10% identifying as asexual! I feel like a boomer because I thought the results would be more like... 85% straight. Love on everyone, or feel no sexual attraction as the case may be

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» Aenonar on November 26th, 2020, 4:49pm

Not really surprised by the results except for the amount of people claiming to be asexual.. Actually made me interested and had to look it up.. Like... That used to mean you didn't have any sexual interest/desires whatsoever but now it seem to have morphed into some kind of gray area when you're just meh about sex, or just sometimes meh about sex but still might have romantic or sexual relations... *shrugs* The word has kinda lost its purpose... ๐Ÿคจ

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» Transdude1996 on November 26th, 2020, 5:48pm

Quote from hkanz
Blown away by the results with almost 20% of people identifying as bi/pansexual and almost 10% identifying as asexual!

I'd say majority of the people choosing that are lying about it.

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That used to mean you didn't have any sexual interest/desires whatsoever but now it seem to have morphed into some kind of gray area when you're just meh about sex, or just sometimes meh about sex but still might have romantic or sexual relations... *shrugs* The word has kinda lost its purpose... ๐Ÿคจ

What about the fact that bisexual and pansexual are the same thing, but listed as separate "categories"? And, what's the point of "other" when there's no other category of people to fuck? Unless...

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» Aenonar on November 26th, 2020, 8:53pm

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What about the fact that bisexual and pansexual are the same thing, but listed as separate "categories"? And, what's the point of "other" when there's no other category of people to fuck? Unless...

Indeed pretty much the same, though bisexual is/was fairly rigid with male/female attraction I guess? Pansexual is/was the opposite of asexual.. Sexual attraction regardless of their physicality or how they identify themselves... Wouldn't surprise me if "bisexual" is slowly phased out, though they kinda just add more definitions rather than overhauling it completely ^^'

I'd guess the "other" option is basically covering non-binary etc which might not necessarily be pansexual, but also not quite able to be defined as homo/heterosexual.. So there's kinda definitions missing, for whatever use these definitions of sexual orientation even have.. When it comes down to it the only thing that actually matters is what sort of operational reproductive organ you have for the continuation of our species... If you're attracted to someone just go for it, unless you want the option to have homemade offspring... Though afaik science can sort things out these days with DNA splicing as long as there's at least a uterus, albeit pretty expensive... *shrugs* ^^'

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» Transdude1996 on November 26th, 2020, 11:32pm

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Though afaik science can sort things out these days with DNA splicing as long as there's at least a uterus, albeit pretty expensive... *shrugs* ^^'

No, they can't. You still need to biologically be a woman for a child to be produced. And, that's on top of the fact that the impregnated women needs to abstain from medication, alcohol, and drugs to prevent the birth defects; topping it all off with become impregnated preferably before menopause occurs in order to reduce the likelihood of autism. With all that still leading to a pure guess of if the child will be born without any issues (Such as hereditary diseases, or complications during development).

That's not to say that science hasn't made it's progress. Cloning, artificial wombs, and altering cartilage are shown to be possible, but things STILL have a long ways to go with an infinite amount of questions remaining unanswered. First question of which, that people always ignore, is what are the downsides? Going back to the artificial wombs as an easy example, lot of people were joking around that sexbots and artificial wombs would make modern women obsolete. However, things cannot up and start like that. There's a reason why women, not men, are designed to incubate offspring. And, why it is that humans can only breed with other humans. Given the fact that humans are much more complex than lambs or rats, there's an extremely likely chance that something will go wrong. First, there's the issue of making sure that the fetus receives the correct nutrients and grows in a stable and proper environment. That's going to take who knows how many years (Possibly decades) to work through once they manage to get past all the red tape and ethics laws that exist. Once that's over, there's still the fact that the fetus, after it's born, may still suffer from other problems. Could an artificial womb cause a psychological change in the development of the fetus? Could it alter the growth of the child once they are "born"? We don't know. Science has progressed nowhere near that far.

And, that's just in regards to getting things off the ground. Imagine all the future problems that may occur AFTER they eventually sort out all the biological and mental issues. This is a perfect place to bring up "gene splicing".
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To get something out of the way, first. Gene splicing is a meme. It doesn't actually happen. Outside of West Taiwan: https://archive.vn/6WIX7
We cannot actually alter the genetics of people, before nor after birth. No one knows what that will do and assume the worst. And, despite the 2003 announcement, the human genome was never fully mapped: https://archive.vn/Z2mZk
So, any claims of "gene splicing" being a reality is either the work of mad scientists or extremely wishful thinkers.

Assume that, in the future, you actually CAN become a biological woman, man, or in-between (As opposed to today's practice of scrambling your genitals, chugging hormones, and declaring you're of the opposite sex when you can't even pass for a decent transvestite). That's going to cause THREE major problems that people can see coming from a mile away. First one is how is society going to react to the sexual freedoms that are possible? History has shown, in places as far back as Ancient Greece to as recent as the USSR and the transition from the Weimar Republic to Nazi Germany, that the lack of inhibitions towards sexual activity is going to result in one of two occurrences: (1) there is going to be a puritan revolution eradicating all traces of the "sexual immortality", or (2) the society will collapse in on itself or become incapable of opposing alien threats. The latter won't (likely) happen due to biologically engineered hermaphrodites being a possibility, so that leaves only the former. And, THAT'S going to be where the big issue comes from. Just how acceptable should people be towards the "sexual freedom" society can experience? While nowhere near close to said future being a possibility, we are currently experiencing a microcosm of such a happening on two occasions. First, with the earlier concept of otherkins (That people laughed out of the room for the insanity it was and almost completely forgotten about), and, second, with the cancer that is the furfag community. And, the only "conclusive" resolution that people can agree on in regards to the issue entirely boils down to, "Stop treating your fetishes as if they were a lifestyle." Whether such a point will still be relevant to a future where sexual activity can be more experimental is entirely up in the air, but that's the closest conclusion people can reach at the moment.

Moving into the second point, you'll have to deal with overpopulation. Since, in this future, "anyone" can be fully capable of producing a child, what's there stopping a sharp jump in the birth rate as a result of the actions brought up in the first point? What's there stopping people from impregnating themselves? If people already think that overpopulation is a problem is Africa, India, and China; imagine how it will effect the rest of the world when anyone can have a child in a sexually active society? Questions like this have lead some people to conclude that sexual transitions between sexes may actually become heavily regulated, and/or almost entirely become restricted to crew members of space exploration missions (Because allowing for a sharp population growth through these methods would be extremely advantageous when colonizing space).

To finish off with the third point, the one people avoid because of it's "offensive" nature: adaptive mutations. There's a reason why the Japanese are specifically designed to eat seaweed, why the European explorers were immune to small pox while it wiped out the American-Indians, and why Denmark is going to perform a shoah on their mink population. If gene-splicing is possible, allowing you to change people's sex, change people's race, even insert animal genes and characteristics, then we've got a big problem. On the sexual level, do you want to have men start suffering from a mutated version of menopause or women suffering from a mutated version of prostate cancer? On the racial level, do you want to give people the Japanese's ability to digest plants more easily at the risk of increasing their chances of contracting Hepatitis B? On a cross-species level, do you want to increase the possibility of animals contracting a mutated form of tuberculosis, or for humans to contract a mutated form of Q fever?

The point I'm trying to make is that gene-splicing is a neat concept, it makes for great science fiction and erotica, but that's just it. It's pure science fiction. Any claims towards it happening are either idiots not understanding just how ignorant we are about the human body and it's limits (Both biologically and mentally), OR just news media stories hoping to grab headlines with bombastic claims.

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» KaoriNite on November 27th, 2020, 8:45am

In theory I'm bisexual, in practice I'm asexual ๐Ÿคฃ! But yeah, I can be attracted to any gender. I still like identifying as bisexual rather than pansexual. Mostly because pansexual wasn't a term when I came out. But also, bisexual doesn't have to mean only being attracted to cis-gender males and females.

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I'd say majority of the people choosing that are lying about it.


Why would people bother to lie about it in an anonymous online poll? I think manga and anime fans just tend to be more queer than the general public.

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» Transdude1996 on November 27th, 2020, 1:29pm

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But also, bisexual doesn't have to mean only being attracted to cis-gender males and females.

But, there's nothing else to fuck, except for nature, animals, and blow-up dolls.

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Why would people bother to lie about it in an anonymous online poll?

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I think manga and anime fans just tend to be more queer than the general public.

And, I have to disagree. Apart from the fact the Japan is extremely Conservative (Even by Western standards), most of the influx by Western audiences is in relation to rejecting the growing trend of political correctness and tokenism that's present in Western comics, cartoons, and media. As far as "legacy" audiences that have been interested and present prior to the current decade, it's split down the middle between SJweebs and goons who can only enjoy the media "ironically" and the traditionalists who want the media to stay the same it has been for decades.

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» KaoriNite on November 29th, 2020, 12:08pm

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But, there's nothing else to fuck, except for nature, animals, and blow-up dolls.


Just wondering what your name transdude means if you think that humans are only cis-gendered males and females.

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Apart from the fact the Japan is extremely Conservative (Even by Western standards), most of the influx by Western audiences is in relation to rejecting the growing trend of political correctness and tokenism that's present in Western comics, cartoons, and media.


Personally I haven't seen people turning to manga because Western comics were too liberal or politically correct. I guess it happens but there's such a range to manga and anime that there's something for everyone. Also, not sure why this was brought up as an argument against manga and anime fans being more queer. Sexuality does not always relate to political ideology.

Also, sure there may be a few people who would lie on an internet poll, but I doubt they'd do so in numbers that would really impact the overall results. At least not on this site where the results don't have any really importance. So again, not sure why anyone would waste their time lying on this site on a poll about sexuality. But I guess some people are so scared of LGBTQ people, they'd rather believe they don't exist or just exist in really small numbers and that any evidence to the contrary is somehow a lie or fabrication.

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» Transdude1996 on November 29th, 2020, 3:40pm

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Just wondering what your name transdude means if you think that humans are only cis-gendered males and females.

Came up with it years ago when I was a huge fan of Transformers and never bothered to change it because I didn't see a reason to. I've explained this before. Why do people, even IRL, keep assuming that I'm gay over the most superficial of things?

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Sexuality does not always relate to political ideology.

It does when you have Western comics literally going "Hello, I'm Gay-Man. I'm a gay superhero. Isn't that amazing? I'm so gay that I fuck and am fucked by my husband every night because we're gay lovers. WHAT?! Do you not like that fact that I'm gay, or that I'm talking about being gay? Then you must be a villain of the worst kind because any mention that gay people may be looked at in a negative light is an act more heinous than genocide. Even "true" villains can respect gay people. Away with this man for his thought crimes." And, all of this is done without an ounce of self-awareness or sense of irony.

Meanwhile, with anime and manga, I never saw ANY needs for such bullshittery in the media when it came to selling series like Ghost in the Shell, Cutey Honey, Mnemosyne, Read or Die, and some of Tezuka or Neji's works. All those are able to stand on their own, and there's no need to advertise the "sexuality" of the characters. But, then again, the Nips actually take some fucking PRIDE in their works. If you want to see what I'm referring to, read the afterward to Tezuka's Yakeppachi's Maria and chapter 28 to Shotaro's Fantasy World Jun.

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But I guess some people are so scared of LGBTQ people, they'd rather believe they don't exist or just exist in really small numbers and that any evidence to the contrary is somehow a lie or fabrication.

No one is scared of anyone. People are just increasingly hating them because they can't keep their fetishes in their pants and refuse to shut the fuck up. Fags have been banging on about their so-called "need for rights" for almost 50 years, managed to get the people to bend over backwards to alter marriage laws and public education, even going so far as to get the public to look the other way in regards to the the prepubescent strippers and child grooming, somehow STILL manage bitch about how "we need more rights and tolerance, and what current exists isn't good enough", along with demanding that more even people come to their already annual parades through the main street of every city, and then are at a complete loss and failing to figure out why it is that people are growing to hate them. Especially when the "rise" in people identifying as fags and trannies is because of pure pressure and nothing else.

If you want to be a flamboyant fag in the comfort of your own home, all the more power to you. That's your own private business, and anyone trying to intrude upon it is in the wrong.
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And, if you're going to crossdress is public, make sure that you actually LOOK like the sex you're attempting to pass as. Unless you're working for a escort service, then do whatever the Hell you want because that's your fucking job.

HOWEVER then going forth and demanding that society change their attitudes and morals just to make you feel better is going to result in nothing except justified harassment in your direction. Why is this a concept that people are failing to understand?

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» Ceiye on November 27th, 2020, 6:03pm

Damn, we were so close to getting through the poll without discourse. I for one am not surprised at the number. I know way more people who are both queer and into animanga than are not, in real life and on the internet. There are a lot of thought articles and interviews exploring why that might be, but it could also be the places on the internet I frequent and the social circles I'm a part of. Hard to say how many people are actually part of the "aggressively heterosexual" bubbles when I don't feel safe going there (which now that I say it, might be why).

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