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New Poll - Cannibalism
This week's poll is a bit morbid especially with Christmas coming up, but it just happens to be next poll that caught my interest. How detestable is cannibalism to you?

You can submit poll ideas here
http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=3903

Previous Poll Results
Question: How many weekly series that you regularly read?
Choices:
0-9 - votes: 1642 (53.3%)
10-20 - votes: 699 (22.7%)
21-30 - votes: 268 (8.7%)
31-40 - votes: 108 (3.5%)
41-50 - votes: 49 (1.6%)
50+ - votes: 317 (10.3%)
There were 3083 total votes.
The poll ended: December 19th 2020

Why do 10% of you read so much manga?
Posted by lambchopsil on 
December 19th 6:05pm
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» Trimutius on December 19th, 2020, 6:56pm

No... I try to find where that person came from instead...

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» kurotaito on December 19th, 2020, 8:57pm

Too many unknown side effects with eating old meat, not to mention human meat. To be honest an average human fills themselves up with so many toxins and gets past carrying so many diseases with the hails of medication, that you probably setting your own downfall by eating random strangers.

Rather eat strange plants.

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» Nekore on December 19th, 2020, 9:14pm

I was thinking in a snow montain scenario, meat stays fresh for a long time and getting food at all would be hard.

Also in the health part all I can think about is avoiding the brain but it's unlikely in these days to have prions (mad cow desease and others).

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» Transdude1996 on December 19th, 2020, 10:19pm

A lot of diseases, parasites, and bacteria are destroyed when you (Properly) cook food. It's part of the reason why you should avoid eating completely raw meats (Even if it's frozen). That being said, in the event of another Andes incident and your options are limited, you take what you can get. And, with having to resort to cannibalism as a last ditch effort to survive, you can "safely" eat everything but the brain.

But, that's in the case of if you're stuck in an ice box. In the instance that you're trapped on a deserted isle, just relying on instinct is sufficient enough.

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» kurotaito on December 20th, 2020, 5:51am

Didn't think about a snowy scenario, in that case you got to eat the human. Hopefully, one human can last till survival comes or the snow gonna kill me.

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» VawX on December 19th, 2020, 10:27pm

I will say no, but I'm not sure if that thing really happen to me mmm...

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» psirit on December 20th, 2020, 12:28am

i'm not denying that my survival instinct in that situation would probably overpower my "omg i don't care if i die" angst, but i'd start eating dirt first if it's just to fill up a stomach rather than to get actual nutrition

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» Rouzmary on December 20th, 2020, 2:29am

There are way too many factors to consider, like others already mentioned - just how fresh the corpse is exactly? has it started to decompose? Just how far gone the starving has gone? Are you on an island or snowy mountain etc?

I, probably, wouldn't starve if I got stranded somewhere as long as there were some animals, even worms, or plants/berries around and water. If it's a snow covered mountain...beats me, there probably wouldn't be any plants or animals so chances of survival are slim, who knows XD

Buuut...in this case scenario, I'd eat the body. Survival comes first. That person is already dead and won't care, but I can still survive.
I'd worry whether the person was healthy or had some disease or smt that I could get by eating the meat, but overall, immediate survival would win and I'd just hope that if I did get smt, it'd be curable later on.
I'd probably gag the whole time and have a difficult time keeping it down, but I'd eat. And if I were the dead one I wouldn't begrudge others for eating me if it means they can survive. I'd be dead either way.
Plus - cooking the meat properly will kill off most of the bacteria and what not, so it'd be safe to eat it in that regard.

Also, why are you people even wondering about eating the brain? That'd be the last thing I'd ever even think of eating. O.o
I'd just slice off some meat from leg or arm or smt...
I don't even eat animal brains or bone marrow, not mentioning human, that is just gross even to me...O.O I do have my limits, ya know? Unless...the brain was the only thing around...O.O

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» residentgrigo on December 20th, 2020, 3:15am

Yes but even that is pretty dangerous. Even if you roast it. But what you ganna do? Starve to death. I would pick the juicy bits of the corpse clean and wash and prepare what I can before the corpse goes bad.

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» Kagama on December 20th, 2020, 7:10am

I had a co-worker once who would bring up topics like this at work. Like he would casually turn to you and ask if I could ever see myself eating human flesh or if I knew what happened to a human body when it was struck by lightning. Also inappropriate questions about personal matter

He was a very creepy guy. I dont know what happened to him...but... best case scenario is that he didnt become a serial killer.

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» amy_levi on December 20th, 2020, 10:22am

I guess I'd cook it before it goes bad, and try my best to preserve the meat for a while, but I'd only start eating it if I began to seriously, seriously starve. When you're one step away from starving to death and have no other choice, you more or less lose your mind and eat practically anything; I don't think I'm an exeption. I'd wait as long as I could before actually eating it, though, to see if I'd be rescued first. Or I'd try some plants first, or eat grass...

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» Carmella on December 20th, 2020, 2:31pm

Personally, a key aspect is that there IS vegetation. You don't have to know much about plants to still eat common bark and grass. This is actually why it's kinda weird that the Donner Party resorted to cannibalism when they were in a place that clearly had pine trees and mosses. It's suspected now that their fears of starvation were possibly a sort of mass hysteria that led to them making poor choices (including scaring off their native guides who were familiar with surviving in the climate... because they were trying to EAT said native guides).

On the other hand, the rugby team in the Andes DIDN'T have any vegetation, so it was kinda understandable that they resorted to eating their dead. However, the conclusion of that story suggests that if they'd attempted to descend the mountain sooner, fewer people would've died and no one would've had to eat anyone. In this case, their access to a one-way radio actually might've been detrimental. They were able to listen in to the search-and-rescue operations looking for them, so they thought that staying in one place was the best option, which it usually is; but, in this case, most of the search was being done from the air, and weather conditions in the mountains weren't ideal for that.

So, yeah, regardless of whether I knew anything specific about the plants, I'd try to eat the bark of trees and grass (also, plants means insects for protein) before eating a random dead person.

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» Shippou_Incognito on December 20th, 2020, 3:31pm

Since I know nothing about plants I'm sure this situation would motivate me to begin learning about them.
Anyways, how is there no hope of rescue in a "foreseeable future" if future exists? Perhaps if you were planning on suicide?
The philosophers of fire will always be around as long as the waters of faith exists.

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» hkanz on December 20th, 2020, 3:43pm

I trust my InReach Mini to prevent me from ever becoming a cannibal, but if I was in some kind of weird situation where I had to eat a human corpse or starve, I would at least try to eat the corpse.

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» HikaruYami on December 20th, 2020, 6:00pm

Yes, of course. And anyone who really believes otherwise, when *truly* starving, is lying to themselves.

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» torrentchan on December 21st, 2020, 3:41am

Quote from HikaruYami
Yes, of course. And anyone who really believes otherwise, when *truly* starving, is lying to themselves.

Ditto. Am with you on this one.
Humans are best when we fight for our survival.
I would attempt to eat the plants in the area - if that does not work, I would cook the body and eat it. Survival and hunger.

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» Erazen on December 21st, 2020, 3:00am

No. We're supposed to learn those previously unlearned survival skills and to take risks in nature without throwing away our humanity.

One of humanity's greatest gifts is the extraordinary ability to think and learn. What, am I supposed to pretend that I'm not a capable person who can't learn about hunting or plants? Then that makes me an evolutionary dead-end and perhaps not even human.

If however you remove all food sources except for the dead corpse, then I leave the poll and condemn you for trying to create a twisted fantasy world that you call "hypothetical" that should never be allowed to exist in our world, and trying to challenge human morality for the sake of your morbid and twisted curiosity.

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» Transdude1996 on December 21st, 2020, 1:48pm

Quote from Erazen
One of humanity's greatest gifts is the extraordinary ability to think and learn. What, am I supposed to pretend that I'm not a capable person who can't learn about hunting or plants? Then that makes me an evolutionary dead-end and perhaps not even human.

You do realize that you repeated the same argument for why people hate minority groups that demand reparations, welfare programs, and social justice, right?

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» Rounin on December 23rd, 2020, 2:14am

Quote from Transdude1996
You do realize that you repeated the same argument for why people hate minority groups that demand reparations, welfare programs, and social justice, right?

As a member of a very small and insignificant ethnic minority, I think that minority groups DEMANDING welfare programs, social justice and reparations should do some scuba diving in an active volcano.

By the way, that still doesn't change the fact that the poll's scenario is extremely limiting and requires you to pretend that you're an invalid whose only options are eating the corpse or die.

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» Transdude1996 on December 23rd, 2020, 9:08am

Quote from Rounin
As a member of a very small and insignificant ethnic minority, I think that minority groups DEMANDING welfare programs, social justice and reparations should do some scuba diving in an active volcano.

That's not going to stop people from calling you a "white supremacist" (No, I am not joking).

Quote from Rounin
By the way, that still doesn't change the fact that the poll's scenario is extremely limiting and requires you to pretend that you're an invalid whose only options are eating the corpse or die.

That's the problem with a lot of hypotheticals. That's why I said "Kill them all" for the trolley problem several weeks back.

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» kurotaito on December 23rd, 2020, 9:17am

Quote from Rounin
I think that minority groups DEMANDING welfare programs, social justice and reparations should do some scuba diving in an active volcano.


Do you live in a country without universal or guaranteed healthcare? Just wondering if you have a complete concept of aid that you imagined when you said you despise it. Also can you define social justice & reparations for me, because I am doubting your knowledge on the nuance of those words & ideas as well.

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» docdesanta on December 21st, 2020, 7:15pm

I'm unsure whether I'd consider it detestable, with how desperate I'd likely be. Ideally, I'd decline, but morals and the like quickly go out the window when things go south in the worst ways, and that's understandable.

Plus I've eaten whatever's been left in the fridge or on the shelf long after they've expired just because I've felt a bit hungry. Being hopelessly famished would be another thing entirely.

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» dreamer00013 on December 22nd, 2020, 3:58am

I voted no. But I probably totally would, if I couldn't eat anything else and was actually, badly starving.
But that body would be my last option. I'd try fishing first and vegetation. Oh and... Bugs. Would probably resort to bugs first, most are edible after all.

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» blackluna on December 23rd, 2020, 2:26am

Morals aside, there's quite a few pragmatic issues with the situation in question. Basically, eating any corpse whose source and cause of death is unknown is very dangerous, not to mention the possibility of getting some extremely nasty illnesses from eating a human corpse (piron diseases are especially terrible, the example of Kuru will give you a good idea of what I mean). Additionally, human meat is apparently low in nutrition, which is one reason why carnivores usually avoid human meat (that and apparently we taste terrible). In that situation, it's probably safer to risk eating some plants than going for any corpses you find (and they'll probably give more nourishment anyway).

If you were in the situation of some historical prisoners, such as those mentioned in Dante (I forget where in the Inferno), then the situation changes a bit. Starvation is the single biggest cause of cannibalism, as human history can attest, but it is not the only reaction. Personally, in that situation, I think I'd end up going for my own flesh or just get depressed and wither away. Hypotheticals are difficult.

Edit: The situation I mentioned of the historical prisoners is found in Canto 32 of the Inferno, the man's name was Ugolino della Gherardesca. He, his sons, and his grandsons (who were also considered to have cooperated in the crime, otherwise they would not have been given such a penalty: Abrahamic religions condemn collective guilt) were imprisoned together in a tower and a corrupt man (Archbishop Ruggieri) had the keys tossed into the Arno… so they starved to death. This was considered a horrifying act, even with the bitterness felt against Ugolino at the time (although the [redacted] was never punished for it). So it only makes sense that Dante has Ruggieri together with Ugolino in the lowest pit of Hell (for betrayers: Ruggieri betrayed his office as a clergyman to enact some terrible vengeance)… with Ugolino eternally gnawing on Ruggieri's skull.

Edit 2: What I forgot to mention about diseases in corpses is that whatever form of any given disease on a corpse is most likely to be in the form which the species of the corpse can catch. Thus a human corpse is likely to have diseases in forms other humans can catch. Definitely something you do not want to eat.

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» silvarion on December 24th, 2020, 1:52pm

No. I'd eat grass first. boil it in water first if possible. though there's no way I'd find a pot in the middle of nowhere.

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