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About matias067
About a month ago, I was alerted to the dealings of one of our release mods, matias067 (you can read this or this). As far as we can see, his problem is that he is not honoring the requests of scanlators to not upload their releases to online manga readers (whether that be a delay in _ number of days or not uploading at all).
Many of you are wondering what we are doing about it, and we have talked to him and requested that he honor the policies of scanlators. He has said he will do this (in his words "I'll take note of it."). If he breaks these policies, we will release him from his MangaUpdates duties (in effect "kick him out").
However, we need your help in policing his actions. It is up to you to keep track of his actions and report to us any wrongdoings. On first offense, we do ask that you talk to him and tell him your policies (in case he hasn't seen them), but repeated offenses should be reported to me, and then we will deal with him.
PS: Sorry for the delay (could've done it 3 weeks ago) in announcing this, but to be honest, I kinda forgot. I didn't remember until I read this this morning.
Many of you are wondering what we are doing about it, and we have talked to him and requested that he honor the policies of scanlators. He has said he will do this (in his words "I'll take note of it."). If he breaks these policies, we will release him from his MangaUpdates duties (in effect "kick him out").
However, we need your help in policing his actions. It is up to you to keep track of his actions and report to us any wrongdoings. On first offense, we do ask that you talk to him and tell him your policies (in case he hasn't seen them), but repeated offenses should be reported to me, and then we will deal with him.
PS: Sorry for the delay (could've done it 3 weeks ago) in announcing this, but to be honest, I kinda forgot. I didn't remember until I read this this morning.
Comments (limited to first 100 replies)
» babel on September 3rd, 2011, 12:36pm
Very sad that yet another Scanlator is calling it quits due to the greed of others. I'm kind of surprised that matias067 has only been warned for his actions, but I understand that MU is short of staff and need to hang on to those they have. I hope he stops this crap before any more scanlators are lost.
» eriochrome on September 3rd, 2011, 12:43pm
What's wrong with axing him on the spot? Are you guys really that short on staff?
» Pikapu on September 3rd, 2011, 9:38pm
EXACTLY what I thought.
» darkraiders on September 3rd, 2011, 12:53pm
I think it's stupid for a group to close because site like manga fox do money out of their work.
I do understand that they don't want other making money with the work they do and i agree with them completely but that's nothing unusual nowaday with internet many sites make money from other work it's wrong but nothing you can do about it stopping doing something you like because of that is stupid.
I do understand that they don't want other making money with the work they do and i agree with them completely but that's nothing unusual nowaday with internet many sites make money from other work it's wrong but nothing you can do about it stopping doing something you like because of that is stupid.
» calstine on September 3rd, 2011, 1:12pm
It does seem like a pretty huge overreaction. But then again, scanlators are free to quit whenever they want to since they do it because they want to in the first place. Well, I never liked Glass Mask so Shi-ki's actions don't bother me anyway ^_^
But, if anything, at least simply to stop other overreacting scanlators from refusing to update their releases on MU altogether (I did notice some such threatening undertones about this site "losing its credibility"), imo you should just block this user.
But, if anything, at least simply to stop other overreacting scanlators from refusing to update their releases on MU altogether (I did notice some such threatening undertones about this site "losing its credibility"), imo you should just block this user.
» darkraiders on September 3rd, 2011, 1:36pm
If they would have just said they was tired of doing scanlation or wanted to focus more on rl or any other reason like that then it would have been fine.
Like you said they can close whenever they want but closing because of others is simply stupid.
Like you said they can close whenever they want but closing because of others is simply stupid.
» gwkimmy on September 5th, 2011, 10:54am
it was bothering his sense of morals and killing his motivation to continue his work. plus, scanlations cost some serious dough. i don't see why this isn't anymore of a valid reason than "i have rl guys", although that is certainly true for EVERY scanlation team out there. scanlators aren't robots, guys, they have feelings and thoughts and doubts too. if you would have acted differently, good for you, maybe you have thick enough skin to start your own team.
i'm sad to see scanlators close down, but in all honesty, i don't blame them. leechers are a burden and it seems scanlations have long ago ceased to be "by the fans, for the fans".
i'm sad to see scanlators close down, but in all honesty, i don't blame them. leechers are a burden and it seems scanlations have long ago ceased to be "by the fans, for the fans".
» SinsI on September 3rd, 2011, 2:19pm
Since this group goes so far as to make troll releases (like they did with "evergreen" chapters 7-9), I'd say "good riddance". If they don't like their work being spread out, they shouldn't upload it onto the Internet in the first place.
» T1 on September 3rd, 2011, 3:13pm
"good riddance" ...do you even know what happened then? No? Thanks for butting with with stupidity, I was feeling weird without having one of your kind in this topic...
» SinsI on September 3rd, 2011, 3:49pm
Someone repeatedly ignored their "don't upload" policy, after which they went berserk and made several troll releases that were 99% "Watermark". Imho, if they are that "jerk-intolerant" as to provide false scanlations - their releases should be removed and their group should be blacklisted on mangaupdates. Scanlation world will only be better without an extra drama queen.
» T1 on September 3rd, 2011, 4:09pm
I agree "remove them"...but you know by doing that you are agreeing to punish the readers. What a crappy policy you got...
Could you please tell me which group you are talking about again? You are forgetting that mangaupdates let users add releases. Showing ignorance again, are we?
Could you please tell me which group you are talking about again? You are forgetting that mangaupdates let users add releases. Showing ignorance again, are we?
» SinsI on September 3rd, 2011, 4:43pm
The one mentioned in the news article, of course. Namely, I'm talking about http://shi-ki.org/blog/?p=679
» T1 on September 3rd, 2011, 4:59pm
Sigh...did you know that a version 2 without any watermark was released a few days after? Did you know how many times Shi-Ki tried to talk with the people who uploaded the releases and the leaders of ehentai? Did you know that it's not fun being disrespected when you work on a title you don't really want to do but you want to finish it because there are people who like the title?
Waiting for 3 days isn't that huge a task for anyone who only uploads a groups releases. The task lies in scanlating the whole chapter...there have never been any kind of policy that states that Shi-Ki forbids others to upload their stuff to other hosters or online readers. Shi-Ki only wants to have 3 days where they can get the traffic to come to their page...is that too much to ask when Shi-Ki is the one scanlating the manga?
Try downloading the chapters before those and see how many of the chapters got a notice about waiting 3 days. The uploader can't say that he didn't read those. That's not a good enough reason when the groups put their notes in there so people who uploads their stuff can read them because they don't read what the groups say on their websites.
There is no "Don't upload it" "It's ours" "Fuck you readers" and so on, on any of the releases made by Shi-Ki. There's only frustration when all options are used and childish options like watermarking is used. Think about how desperate someone has to be to get heard when they are forced to watermark their releases. Having this repeated 3 times is more than enough to see that the world isn't getting the message and an absolute legal reason to close the group.
What did you expect scanlators to be? Non-human beings with no feelings whatsoever when they put soo many feelings into the stuff they scanlate. Sorry but scanlators are people like you and me with feelings, they just know how to scanlate.
Waiting for 3 days isn't that huge a task for anyone who only uploads a groups releases. The task lies in scanlating the whole chapter...there have never been any kind of policy that states that Shi-Ki forbids others to upload their stuff to other hosters or online readers. Shi-Ki only wants to have 3 days where they can get the traffic to come to their page...is that too much to ask when Shi-Ki is the one scanlating the manga?
Try downloading the chapters before those and see how many of the chapters got a notice about waiting 3 days. The uploader can't say that he didn't read those. That's not a good enough reason when the groups put their notes in there so people who uploads their stuff can read them because they don't read what the groups say on their websites.
There is no "Don't upload it" "It's ours" "Fuck you readers" and so on, on any of the releases made by Shi-Ki. There's only frustration when all options are used and childish options like watermarking is used. Think about how desperate someone has to be to get heard when they are forced to watermark their releases. Having this repeated 3 times is more than enough to see that the world isn't getting the message and an absolute legal reason to close the group.
What did you expect scanlators to be? Non-human beings with no feelings whatsoever when they put soo many feelings into the stuff they scanlate. Sorry but scanlators are people like you and me with feelings, they just know how to scanlate.
» SinsI on September 3rd, 2011, 5:18pm
AFAIK, that's the official MU policy for troll releases http://www.mangaupdates.com/news.html?id=655
P.S. I'm in part angry with them because I sometime try to help scanlation groups by outlining mistakes in their releases (they had some missing pages) - and getting THAT in their next release was far from the response I wished for...
P.S. I'm in part angry with them because I sometime try to help scanlation groups by outlining mistakes in their releases (they had some missing pages) - and getting THAT in their next release was far from the response I wished for...
» T1 on September 3rd, 2011, 5:28pm
Errr...I'm just pointing out. That's for 1st April policy. I've seen that for years now. The same message after we had lots of funny 1st April releases one 1st April.
» no_comxxx on September 3rd, 2011, 5:53pm
err... what...
what did you do again? are you a Quality Checker? you got their response like thayt becoz you are strereotyping all the scanlators with your basic mindless judgement or you are too dumb enough too understand the manga itself?? :/ and no, we don't need your help to point out our mistake
what did you do again? are you a Quality Checker? you got their response like thayt becoz you are strereotyping all the scanlators with your basic mindless judgement or you are too dumb enough too understand the manga itself?? :/ and no, we don't need your help to point out our mistake
» azwald on September 4th, 2011, 12:20am
yeah, I was the leader of BTWscan, I only let 2 and only 2 online readers to host my manga(that's because AnimeA ask me to let them host it), and that's after 2 days. But, what happen is, only that 2 respect my policy, other online reader just host my scanlation right after the release post.
The leecher community really pissed me off. They take the scanlation for granted, they never read the scanlator policy at all
The leecher community really pissed me off. They take the scanlation for granted, they never read the scanlator policy at all
» kakkumei on September 3rd, 2011, 4:43pm
Ahem. We did give them warnings, which they totally ignored. We really really need the traffic. Do you know how understaffed we were? At one point, there's only t1, 2 girls and me working in Shi-Ki. Our translator is missing because she had some life crisis, our fastest cleaner was gone because he has a real life to deal with, others disappeared after being admitted to the group.
Traffic means more people want to work with us, hence more releases and more projects. Of course we were pissed when people just ignored our requests! And we were being such nice scanlators RELEASING PROJECT WE ALL HATE.
So we're gone. No more drama queen. Also no more underrated manga from us. And blacklisting us from MU? No thanks, we quit first.
Sinsl, go work for a scanlan group first before making posts without thinking.
Traffic means more people want to work with us, hence more releases and more projects. Of course we were pissed when people just ignored our requests! And we were being such nice scanlators RELEASING PROJECT WE ALL HATE.
So we're gone. No more drama queen. Also no more underrated manga from us. And blacklisting us from MU? No thanks, we quit first.
Sinsl, go work for a scanlan group first before making posts without thinking.
» SinsI on September 3rd, 2011, 5:02pm
Been there, done that.
Thank you, but now I'm happy enough doing one man one-shot scanlations on 4chan - a page here, a chapter there...
P.S. And scanlating the manga I hate for free? Only if I really, really hate it, and want to spread the hate.
That's the sure-way to kill all your desire to scanlate anything for years to come.
More places to find the manga = more fans for the manga, and new recruits are proportional to that, not to forced visitors to your site...
Thank you, but now I'm happy enough doing one man one-shot scanlations on 4chan - a page here, a chapter there...
P.S. And scanlating the manga I hate for free? Only if I really, really hate it, and want to spread the hate.
That's the sure-way to kill all your desire to scanlate anything for years to come.More places to find the manga = more fans for the manga, and new recruits are proportional to that, not to forced visitors to your site...
» kakkumei on September 3rd, 2011, 5:12pm
umm nope...
Have you ever used an online manga reader?
I have. And while i'm using it, I have never even thought of going to the scanlators' page to check out the release, like 90% of the leechers. Most of my friends said it's easier to use online readers because you can find everything there, no need to find the scanlators' sites for series.
Uploading manga on online readers doesn't get us any new recruits dammit!
Have you ever used an online manga reader?
I have. And while i'm using it, I have never even thought of going to the scanlators' page to check out the release, like 90% of the leechers. Most of my friends said it's easier to use online readers because you can find everything there, no need to find the scanlators' sites for series.
Uploading manga on online readers doesn't get us any new recruits dammit!
» SinsI on September 3rd, 2011, 5:33pm
Of course it is completely unnecessary to visit scanlators site while you are reading through all the manga that is available on that online reader. But once you reach the end of uploaded part - it's time for MU and scanlators' sites. Otherwise, you just weren't interested enough in that manga in the first place.
» kakkumei on September 3rd, 2011, 5:42pm
So you are finding it totally alright to let them earn money on the mangaka's work? Making scanlators work in the gray zone to become totally black so everyone can see something illegal is going around?
» SinsI on September 3rd, 2011, 6:06pm
Do you find it bad that my(and your) ISP is earning money on your and mangaka's work?
Or that Google (or any other filesharing site) is earning money on the same thing?
Frankly, I think that not only mangaka - you too should earn money for your volunteer work spreading things people enjoy. Unless communism comes, someone will always profit unfairly, and you should look for the good side of things (more people can share your joy), not for the bad side of things. There's always a chance that a fan that got addicted to the manga on said evil online reader will buy a figurine or two, earning money for the mangaka in question, so it's not always bad thing.
Or that Google (or any other filesharing site) is earning money on the same thing?
Frankly, I think that not only mangaka - you too should earn money for your volunteer work spreading things people enjoy. Unless communism comes, someone will always profit unfairly, and you should look for the good side of things (more people can share your joy), not for the bad side of things. There's always a chance that a fan that got addicted to the manga on said evil online reader will buy a figurine or two, earning money for the mangaka in question, so it's not always bad thing.
» T1 on September 4th, 2011, 1:21am
You missed the point again. It's bad to earn money on the mangaka's work if you haven't any acknowledgement from the mangaka. I'm quite sure the online mangareaders don't.
NO! Scanlators shouldn't get money for the mangaka's work. They are doing it for free, for the love of the manga, not to learn money. If they want money they can go professional and go after the license of the manga title and thus the rights for earning money on it.
Saying that someone will always do bad things and accept it, only makes you look bad too. This is the reason why Shi-Ki closed because enough is enough. Making them the bad guys for having some real values just tells us how wrong your thinking is. Buying a figure and giving the mangaka a very small share of it...the chance of that happening is really small. Specially when they could just get a lot of money if people just bought their titles.
NO! Scanlators shouldn't get money for the mangaka's work. They are doing it for free, for the love of the manga, not to learn money. If they want money they can go professional and go after the license of the manga title and thus the rights for earning money on it.
Saying that someone will always do bad things and accept it, only makes you look bad too. This is the reason why Shi-Ki closed because enough is enough. Making them the bad guys for having some real values just tells us how wrong your thinking is. Buying a figure and giving the mangaka a very small share of it...the chance of that happening is really small. Specially when they could just get a lot of money if people just bought their titles.
» SinsI on September 4th, 2011, 7:10am
So we are going down the philosophical path here. I think the whole current system that charges for access to works of art is wrong. Creators should earn money as a result of public approval - be it in the form of merchandise sales, advertisements, better contractual work or even direct government payments from taxes(like the funds BBC gets from the UK population). This means that anyone that spreads the manga is doing the mangaka a favor - even if the mangaka in question is thinking otherwise, and even if it hurts him financially in the short term. Any job that makes people thankful for it should recieve their gratitude - be it in the form of new recruits to do scanlations (to pay with scanlations for scanlations), or be it in the form of donations, or be it in the form of a publisher's salary. Online readers are just another aspect of that distribution - if they are making the manga available for people with no access to your IRC channel, or whatever else, they are doing them a favor, and a favor should be repaid.
» T1 on September 4th, 2011, 8:05am
It doesn't matter what you think. You are not to say what's best for the mangaka, totally not when you or someone else are the one earning money on the mangaka. The mangaka or the company that got the license can decide that even if it's their downfall. We aren't their law or gods to decide it for them.
No matter what you say online mangareaders are making money out of manga. That's bad. That's a fact. The philosophical is only in what the scanlation groups are doing and that can be discussed. The money making machine called online mangareaders cannot.
The mangaka never asked for this favour you are talking about, lol. We even had mangaka asking people to stop with it, sending out C&D letters and screaming about it on their blogs. Something they didn't know about until online mangareaders put it on their place. There is a reason why when the media thinks that mangareaders are making the manga when they are not. It's because the common reader thinks it too. This is also why OneManga closed. So stop thinking that someone should get repaid, ROFLMAO, for distributing without their approval.
About the repaid thingie...I just don't understand how you try to legalize something that's totally in the black zone which just screams that people are earning on the mangaka's work illegally. It's wrong, it's forbidden, it's illegal. What more can be said about this?
There's really nothing more to discuss. Everyone who knows what is right and wrong can see how wrong the actions of online mangareaders are. Saying that they are doing good cuz they are giving people manga while earning money on it...is just as bad. They got no right to do that. No right at all!
No matter what you say online mangareaders are making money out of manga. That's bad. That's a fact. The philosophical is only in what the scanlation groups are doing and that can be discussed. The money making machine called online mangareaders cannot.
The mangaka never asked for this favour you are talking about, lol. We even had mangaka asking people to stop with it, sending out C&D letters and screaming about it on their blogs. Something they didn't know about until online mangareaders put it on their place. There is a reason why when the media thinks that mangareaders are making the manga when they are not. It's because the common reader thinks it too. This is also why OneManga closed. So stop thinking that someone should get repaid, ROFLMAO, for distributing without their approval.
About the repaid thingie...I just don't understand how you try to legalize something that's totally in the black zone which just screams that people are earning on the mangaka's work illegally. It's wrong, it's forbidden, it's illegal. What more can be said about this?
There's really nothing more to discuss. Everyone who knows what is right and wrong can see how wrong the actions of online mangareaders are. Saying that they are doing good cuz they are giving people manga while earning money on it...is just as bad. They got no right to do that. No right at all!
» SinsI on September 4th, 2011, 10:45am
Read a bit of Bastiat's "Economic Sophisms". Mangaka's opinion doesn't matter - just like any one else in capitalism, they profit from their product being scarce. But public good is destruction of scarcity.
Online mangareaders are bringing the manga to more people, so they are destroying the scarcity = good.
Online mangareaders are bringing the manga to more people, so they are destroying the scarcity = good.
» T1 on September 4th, 2011, 11:50am
LOL
What you just told me is the same as "killing people for oil is good cuz why are the arabs keeping it when it's for the greater good for the world if it's shared".
I had to use an extreme otherwise you probably wouldn't get it. I tried a lot of times but it didn't work. I still think you didn't get it...I feel sad for you, I really do. I bet the others who will look at this topic will feel the same. There's nothing to do, we are different. I got my rights and wrongs, you got your own rights and wrongs...given they are screwed.
Now if you still find that mangareaders are good even when they are earning money on the mangaka's work...then I think you just showed everyone in this topic that you are someone from those mangareaders and that's why you find something wrong according to law even to be right. It's shameful to see what greed can do to some people to justify their wrongdoings.
I won't be commenting on your comments again...cuz as someone else said it perfectly clear:
"I think you're a stupid troll"
It just took me time to see it because I care too much. ^^
What you just told me is the same as "killing people for oil is good cuz why are the arabs keeping it when it's for the greater good for the world if it's shared".
I had to use an extreme otherwise you probably wouldn't get it. I tried a lot of times but it didn't work. I still think you didn't get it...I feel sad for you, I really do. I bet the others who will look at this topic will feel the same. There's nothing to do, we are different. I got my rights and wrongs, you got your own rights and wrongs...given they are screwed.
Now if you still find that mangareaders are good even when they are earning money on the mangaka's work...then I think you just showed everyone in this topic that you are someone from those mangareaders and that's why you find something wrong according to law even to be right. It's shameful to see what greed can do to some people to justify their wrongdoings.
I won't be commenting on your comments again...cuz as someone else said it perfectly clear:
"I think you're a stupid troll"
It just took me time to see it because I care too much. ^^
» AshuraX on September 3rd, 2011, 11:16pm
IMO we should just be glad there are people out there that is kind enough to translate manga for us so respecting the people who take precious time out of their day to bring it to us is what everyone should do. A simple thank you would suffice rather than calling them "drama queens".
I also have no respect for people who take manga and claim it as their own or disrespect the wishes of the scanlators. The only ones losing out when scanlators quit is the fans so be respectful of the people who are losing out on their mangas. What goes around always comes back around
I also have no respect for people who take manga and claim it as their own or disrespect the wishes of the scanlators. The only ones losing out when scanlators quit is the fans so be respectful of the people who are losing out on their mangas. What goes around always comes back around
» T1 on September 3rd, 2011, 3:11pm
Ahh, it's no undertone about the crediability. I just find it stupid that mu was taking that time. As the leader herself says it: She forgot until she saw that.
But that was included in the decision to stop scanlating. Mangaupdates is great, no doubt about that but it loses it meaning if all the releases goes to mangafox right after. You can just check mangafox each day for updates instead of mangaupdates since it's the same...except you can read the releases too. People would have no reason to come here anymore if the dude is doing work for both places...
About the overreaction...no I don't think that stopping because someone is totally disrespecting the author or the scanlation team by earning money on something that's supposed to be free is a huge overreaction. When asking people nicely doesn't work then you got no options left. You can't just close your eyes to all evil...it doesn't work that way.
But that was included in the decision to stop scanlating. Mangaupdates is great, no doubt about that but it loses it meaning if all the releases goes to mangafox right after. You can just check mangafox each day for updates instead of mangaupdates since it's the same...except you can read the releases too. People would have no reason to come here anymore if the dude is doing work for both places...
About the overreaction...no I don't think that stopping because someone is totally disrespecting the author or the scanlation team by earning money on something that's supposed to be free is a huge overreaction. When asking people nicely doesn't work then you got no options left. You can't just close your eyes to all evil...it doesn't work that way.
» T1 on September 3rd, 2011, 3:04pm
Just because it's common doesn't mean that it's right, does it?
If there's a country filled with bastards and you live in it, does it mean you have to be a bastard too to live in it? What a funny point you are making...
If you read the page again then you can read that it's the mangaka's work. It's not the scanlators work, they just "make" it available in another language for others who love their work. It can't be right that someone else than the mangaka earns money on their work....or do you disagree?
The other reason was mangafox = mangahere, so while they act like they are respecting you they are totally disrespecting you behind your back putting it up on the other site.
Why do you think that stopping being you are being totally disrespected by someone you thought respected you is stupid? I don't get it...being respected and respecting others is a bad thing? O.o
If there's a country filled with bastards and you live in it, does it mean you have to be a bastard too to live in it? What a funny point you are making...
If you read the page again then you can read that it's the mangaka's work. It's not the scanlators work, they just "make" it available in another language for others who love their work. It can't be right that someone else than the mangaka earns money on their work....or do you disagree?
The other reason was mangafox = mangahere, so while they act like they are respecting you they are totally disrespecting you behind your back putting it up on the other site.
Why do you think that stopping being you are being totally disrespected by someone you thought respected you is stupid? I don't get it...being respected and respecting others is a bad thing? O.o
» kakkumei on September 3rd, 2011, 4:50pm
t1, I can hardly understand the last paragraph. In your rage, your English has gone to the drain lol.
Supporting t1's opinion, why do you think that scanlators have to go underground these days? Remember the raid of OneManga? We were all scared that we're going to get legal actions from the big publishing companies. Just because asshole online readers decided to make monies out of our slave labor of love over manga. None of the monies that OM made goes to the mangaka/publishers, except their own pockets. And the one receiving backlashes from online readers are us, the scanlators, who most of the time using our own pocket monies, and time (which can be used to do more exciting things like playing eroge <looks at t1> ) to scanlate manga. Why? Because we love doing it. That's why we do it for free.
So, when we're quitting, nobody can say anything against us quitting. Did you guys pay us to scanlate? No? So shut the fuck up and bear with it. It's free stuff, and we're doing it out of our own free time. And bear with it.
Supporting t1's opinion, why do you think that scanlators have to go underground these days? Remember the raid of OneManga? We were all scared that we're going to get legal actions from the big publishing companies. Just because asshole online readers decided to make monies out of our slave labor of love over manga. None of the monies that OM made goes to the mangaka/publishers, except their own pockets. And the one receiving backlashes from online readers are us, the scanlators, who most of the time using our own pocket monies, and time (which can be used to do more exciting things like playing eroge <looks at t1> ) to scanlate manga. Why? Because we love doing it. That's why we do it for free.
So, when we're quitting, nobody can say anything against us quitting. Did you guys pay us to scanlate? No? So shut the fuck up and bear with it. It's free stuff, and we're doing it out of our own free time. And bear with it.
» T1 on September 3rd, 2011, 5:05pm
LOL it's not rage, I'm just tired. It's over 2am over here xD
Why do you think that stopping scanlating because you are being "totally disrespected by someone" you thought "respected you" is stupid?
I don't get it...are you saying that "being respected by others" and "respecting others" is a bad thing? O.o
I hope it's better now. Otherwise if it's still crap I will look at it tomorrow.
Why do you think that stopping scanlating because you are being "totally disrespected by someone" you thought "respected you" is stupid?
I don't get it...are you saying that "being respected by others" and "respecting others" is a bad thing? O.o
I hope it's better now. Otherwise if it's still crap I will look at it tomorrow.
» kakkumei on September 3rd, 2011, 5:23pm
I WANNA BE AND GET RESPECT DAMMIT! xD
MU is so gonna ban me T^T
MU is so gonna ban me T^T
» tactics on September 3rd, 2011, 12:56pm
I'm just being curious here, but has anyone been made a release mod since Manick mentioned he needed more people?
» StarlightDreams on September 3rd, 2011, 1:34pm
I don't think so. I applied and I'm wondering when he will also. :/
» Casusby on September 3rd, 2011, 12:58pm
I too don't see why he couldn't be let go of immediately, especially after he responded with little remorse. It's pretty hard to be one of the top, if not the top uploader for that big of a site and not know what policies he had to govern his actions by.
» FormX on September 3rd, 2011, 1:39pm
About time.
» leoluchzibritannia on September 3rd, 2011, 1:41pm
I hope T1 changes his mind.
» StarlightDreams on September 3rd, 2011, 2:01pm
Nah, he's living the high life of a retired scanlator right now, he probably won't go back. xD
» attrait.crise on September 3rd, 2011, 6:29pm
I second thee, Mai~.
Anyone who actually quited/is quiting scanlation right now, will be too lazy to get back in for reasons :-
- the group and the releases are not much appreciated nowadays.
- getting staffs who wants to work with you(& the team) instead of "shrooming" a new group up is very low...
- and etc...
T1, I do envy your simple free and easy life that are going to hit you after this ^o^
Anyone who actually quited/is quiting scanlation right now, will be too lazy to get back in for reasons :-
- the group and the releases are not much appreciated nowadays.
- getting staffs who wants to work with you(& the team) instead of "shrooming" a new group up is very low...
- and etc...
T1, I do envy your simple free and easy life that are going to hit you after this ^o^
» T1 on September 4th, 2011, 1:45am
<3 <3 <3
Thank you~
You should join me too. It's just not worth any longer to scanlator for others, it hasn't been for the last years.^^
My life won't be simple and easy now but it will be much simpler and easier than before. I won't need to stress about getting releases out to the readers anymore. I won't need to stress to keep many other groups alive because I won't be a staff member there anymore.
Still I need to release the shounen chapters I got translated before I can really quit. I want the readers to at least be able to read a little more of the manga before dropping it. Specially the ones with cliffhangers^^
Thank you~
You should join me too. It's just not worth any longer to scanlator for others, it hasn't been for the last years.^^
My life won't be simple and easy now but it will be much simpler and easier than before. I won't need to stress about getting releases out to the readers anymore. I won't need to stress to keep many other groups alive because I won't be a staff member there anymore.
Still I need to release the shounen chapters I got translated before I can really quit. I want the readers to at least be able to read a little more of the manga before dropping it. Specially the ones with cliffhangers^^
» SinsI on September 3rd, 2011, 2:02pm
I find it very rude that you even asked him to do such a thing.
Him being MangaUpdates moderator has absolutely nothing to do with his own personal agenda on scanlators policies.
Him being MangaUpdates moderator has absolutely nothing to do with his own personal agenda on scanlators policies.
» FormX on September 3rd, 2011, 3:07pm
You are right. However, in this case, his own personal agenda is against the policies of site he is moderating for. That being said, on the About Us page, I can't find MU's policies on this issue, although the majority of the people should know.
» T1 on September 3rd, 2011, 3:18pm
Exactly, against it.
MU can't be impartial if it's staff isn't being impartial or am I missing something here?
More about this here...oh and lil Sinsl you should probably read that too...you know to get a little more info on the stuff you are talking about.
You know Shi-Ki isn't the only one being sad about this stuff happening...
MU can't be impartial if it's staff isn't being impartial or am I missing something here?
More about this here...oh and lil Sinsl you should probably read that too...you know to get a little more info on the stuff you are talking about.
You know Shi-Ki isn't the only one being sad about this stuff happening...
» SinsI on September 3rd, 2011, 5:46pm
Did he do something with his mod privileges that an ordinary user that is not a MU mod can't? If he didn't, and were doing only things ordinary users can, it should have absolutely nothing to do with MU, and shouldn't affect his position at all.
Lambchopsil's post (and actions) mean that MU is losing its impartial status and is taking a side - which will only bring bad things for MU.
Lambchopsil's post (and actions) mean that MU is losing its impartial status and is taking a side - which will only bring bad things for MU.
» T1 on September 3rd, 2011, 6:01pm
You are seeing it from a wrong perspective. He isn't a normal user when he is a mod. It means that he's no longer a normal user until he throws away the mod status he got. It's like a uniform. When at the police station the policeman have it on but when he leaves the place he can take it off but not at the police station. So as long as he is still a mod at mu he will never be a normal user.
If he wasn't a mod then there would be no problems for mu but he is a mod for mu. That means that the actions he takes affects the whole group which is mu. That's how any group works. The leader has to take a stand if he/she when someone's actions from their group conflicts with the groups policy because it affects the whole group. This is the problem here...the impartial status mu got will be lost if someone starts doing something that conflicts with the policy and the leader doesn't do anything about it. If it keeps happening then the person who keeps doing something that goes against the groups policy need to be expelled, otherwise it would be bad for the whole groups structure and fame.
Lamb had to take that action otherwise it would send a sign to every scanlator group in this world that mu is taking the side of mangafox and finds it okay if their staffmembers are uploading releases to mangafox. You forget what he's done already...something that goes against the impartial status of mu.
If he wasn't a mod then there would be no problems for mu but he is a mod for mu. That means that the actions he takes affects the whole group which is mu. That's how any group works. The leader has to take a stand if he/she when someone's actions from their group conflicts with the groups policy because it affects the whole group. This is the problem here...the impartial status mu got will be lost if someone starts doing something that conflicts with the policy and the leader doesn't do anything about it. If it keeps happening then the person who keeps doing something that goes against the groups policy need to be expelled, otherwise it would be bad for the whole groups structure and fame.
Lamb had to take that action otherwise it would send a sign to every scanlator group in this world that mu is taking the side of mangafox and finds it okay if their staffmembers are uploading releases to mangafox. You forget what he's done already...something that goes against the impartial status of mu.
» Sagaris on September 3rd, 2011, 6:13pm
If he's a mod, he acts as a representative of MU.
» aayush251 on September 4th, 2011, 4:15am
go away looser
we scanlators work for free and we can do what we feel like to do if you dont agree with us then go make your own group
meh... loosers
we scanlators work for free and we can do what we feel like to do if you dont agree with us then go make your own group
meh... loosers
» kakkumei on September 3rd, 2011, 4:58pm
I think you're a stupid troll
» archknight on September 3rd, 2011, 2:59pm
will miss shi-ki and alot of those other projects that they were working on and that most people don't know about
» autumnsgrace on September 3rd, 2011, 3:54pm
So you are keeping him, but you are going to publicly humiliate him in front of the thousands of people that visit by posting this drama on the front page of your website. I'm not sure who the bad guy is here.
» hollabaloo on September 3rd, 2011, 5:13pm
Actions have consequences, and the release mod did something wrong that other people (and especially other scanlators) deserve to know about. I hardly see how this is public humiliation; all I see is the mods telling everyone "help us keep this guy in check, since we can't be everywhere at once and we know he has done some shady things in regards to honouring scanlators' requests".
If MU was the bad guy here, I really doubt that they would have given the guy a second chance. I think they're being lenient, to be honest.
If MU was the bad guy here, I really doubt that they would have given the guy a second chance. I think they're being lenient, to be honest.
» Akatsubaki on September 3rd, 2011, 5:44pm
Huh, you want us to keep track of him.. he can just make another id everytime.
What's the point of watching him, if he, himself, doesn't aware of his wrong doing..
What's the point of watching him, if he, himself, doesn't aware of his wrong doing..
» robbit on September 3rd, 2011, 7:20pm
If he does, it's gonna be apparent
» Panda on September 4th, 2011, 10:30am
I just find this entire situation incredibly amusing since MU doesn't seem to be able to win. Let him go, people will rage. Punish him, people will rage. Can't satisfy a mob, after all.
» ZeroDC on September 4th, 2011, 4:50pm
Wait, sorry, who is gonna rage if he is fired?
» Panda on September 4th, 2011, 7:15pm
Read up, mate.
» scorpian8867 on September 4th, 2011, 7:59pm
If he's fired, I will rage since it will kill the part of the drama that's entertaining me the most.
» thevampirate on September 4th, 2011, 5:49pm
I've been an updater for a year or two now and I have never once uploaded a release to any site other than MU. We aren't affiliated with those readers (as far as I know). I think that group overreacted and blamed the wrong people, how would they even know that he was one of our mods in the first place and how would they know that he's the one uploading there.
Secondly,sure It's their right to not want their releases on online readers but to go as far as quit just because they don't respect your request is selfish. there are other alternatives such as go to like Passwords on their .rars, MASSIVE water marks, require post counts to DL ect. If they are going to quit that's fine but don't blame MU for quitting, it's their decision to quit not MU forcing you to quit.
Secondly,sure It's their right to not want their releases on online readers but to go as far as quit just because they don't respect your request is selfish. there are other alternatives such as go to like Passwords on their .rars, MASSIVE water marks, require post counts to DL ect. If they are going to quit that's fine but don't blame MU for quitting, it's their decision to quit not MU forcing you to quit.
» UnknownUser on September 4th, 2011, 6:30pm
http://forums.mangafox.com/members/206098-matias06 7
Also MF displays who uploaders are on the series page.
That's how they know.
Also MF displays who uploaders are on the series page.
That's how they know.
» thevampirate on September 4th, 2011, 7:15pm
oh... that's how... mystery solved. I could see how they would blame us for that guys actions just based on that profile.
» Chidongan55 on September 4th, 2011, 6:11pm
Back to Matias.
Honor ? He does not know the meaning of it. What he know is his contribution count increased, thats all.
Honor ? He does not know the meaning of it. What he know is his contribution count increased, thats all.
» Milleniummaster18 on September 4th, 2011, 6:55pm
I don't have enough knowledge about this "online readers vs scanlators" fiasco, nor do I know anything about Shi-Ki or its works. Yet, by first impressions on that "farewell" message, I can say that wasn't complaining, that was bitching.
Note the difference.
I am grateful for whatever work he (she, they...?) did towards the manga scanlation community and he will be missed, yet he needs to start putting determination in what he's doing, because... a troll? a f****ing troll made him see the light? really?
"if we [,Shi-Ki,] never did any scanlations we wouldn’t have this problem."
Must I remember you that you're not alone in this? Not that I'm part of it, but there are other scanlators in the biz, buster.
I don't know, it just sounds too fishy to me, I call it a mediocre intent to look for an excuse to call it quits.
Note the difference.
I am grateful for whatever work he (she, they...?) did towards the manga scanlation community and he will be missed, yet he needs to start putting determination in what he's doing, because... a troll? a f****ing troll made him see the light? really?
"if we [,Shi-Ki,] never did any scanlations we wouldn’t have this problem."
Must I remember you that you're not alone in this? Not that I'm part of it, but there are other scanlators in the biz, buster.
I don't know, it just sounds too fishy to me, I call it a mediocre intent to look for an excuse to call it quits.
» elcausa on September 4th, 2011, 8:33pm
yes you're right about T1 not being alone in this, I'm an scanlator myself and I know others that also share his point of view heck I would have quited scanlation years ago if it wasn't because of a selfish reason to want to keep on reading manga that nobody else would scanlate since I'm someone that likes to do stuff instead of hopping somebody else would do it for me, now the difference is I'm an editor and T1 is translator so this reason wouldn't apply for him because if I could translate I would certainly not waste my time doing it for ungrateful people like you
» Milleniummaster18 on September 4th, 2011, 9:06pm
I'm sorry, but with all sincerity, I can't give a proper answer to something I can't completely understand. Meaning that I can't entirely comprehend what you're saying.
Yet, I'll gladly respond to what I could get from it: Did you even thoroughly read what I just typed?
Also, if you're in the game for selfish reasons, then you're in the game for the wrong reasons.
This is a community, from everyone to everyone, if we start discriminating scanlators from non-scanlators, then the scanlation community will wither, much to my disgrace and much to your apparent content.
I repeat, your contributions are appreciated, regardless of whatever reasons attracted you to the community.
Now if you would excuse me, I have my own stuff to do, and I like to do it too.
PS: My suspicions still stand.
Yet, I'll gladly respond to what I could get from it: Did you even thoroughly read what I just typed?
Also, if you're in the game for selfish reasons, then you're in the game for the wrong reasons.
This is a community, from everyone to everyone, if we start discriminating scanlators from non-scanlators, then the scanlation community will wither, much to my disgrace and much to your apparent content.
I repeat, your contributions are appreciated, regardless of whatever reasons attracted you to the community.
Now if you would excuse me, I have my own stuff to do, and I like to do it too.
PS: My suspicions still stand.
» eni on September 5th, 2011, 12:52am
The majority of scanlators is really in for 'selfish' reasons, e.g. promoting own reading interests, wanting to read certain manga nobody else would do or simply training in language learning or image editing. This isn't negative. It's the drive, the motivation, of most people who do scanlations. People who do it solely for the 'community feeling' are pretty rare to find. In fact, many groups are pretty protective on their releases, sharing limited. Again, it's nothing bad.
And we don't need to start discriminating. Leecher jokes among scanlators are as ancient as the scene is by now. There's a large number of groups who release only/first within protected communities to let the 'actively grateful' readers have at least a time advance on the grab-and-run leechers. It's certainly a debatable way to release but nonetheless old and not uncommon.
And we don't need to start discriminating. Leecher jokes among scanlators are as ancient as the scene is by now. There's a large number of groups who release only/first within protected communities to let the 'actively grateful' readers have at least a time advance on the grab-and-run leechers. It's certainly a debatable way to release but nonetheless old and not uncommon.
» gwkimmy on September 5th, 2011, 11:12am
a scanlator can quit when they want, for WHATEVER reason they want, whether it be an emotional reason or a practical reason. period.
i don't think they need the approval or judgement of any leecher, ever. in fact, leecher entitlement is a huge reason scanlators quit.
i don't think they need the approval or judgement of any leecher, ever. in fact, leecher entitlement is a huge reason scanlators quit.
» Milleniummaster18 on September 5th, 2011, 11:45am
True, yet there's something in his words that just gnaws away at my gut. They're not sincere, but rather condescending. They're selfish words, that's what they are.
Maybe it's just the way he is, but hey, as long as I can write, I'll criticize (and condemn, when appropriate) the hell out of his writing and the selfish character he portrays with it.
Maybe it's just the way he is, but hey, as long as I can write, I'll criticize (and condemn, when appropriate) the hell out of his writing and the selfish character he portrays with it.
» gwkimmy on September 5th, 2011, 7:30pm
i doubt they were trying to be condescending at all. maybe selfish, but what's wrong with deciding to stop a voluntary service when it no longer pleases you to do so/goes against your morals? others may disagree with his reasoning and think it's flawed, but if he himself feels it's wrong i don't think he has to explain himself to the community further than that.
» Milleniummaster18 on September 5th, 2011, 10:54pm
You're trying too hard to exculpate them from any blame whatsoever, they're not going to be sanctified (everyone has their flaws, you know), just duly respected by their former followers. They can retire however they please, whenever they please, they just need to heed the consequences. Quitting on a rather convenient note raises suspicions, and they can't all be quelled.
» cvazir on September 5th, 2011, 1:23pm
Stop whining. I keep reading "leecher/s", "leecher entitlement" etc. from scanlators, and it just annoys me. They are readers, and you obviously want them to read the stuff you release.
And some blame "leechers" for their retirement. Nobody forced you to do this, so it's your choice to quit even if you just got bored or tired of it. But don't blame it on others.
And some blame "leechers" for their retirement. Nobody forced you to do this, so it's your choice to quit even if you just got bored or tired of it. But don't blame it on others.
» gwkimmy on September 5th, 2011, 7:43pm
the problem is not a matter of who gets the chapters and what gets shared. the problem is the sense that many leechers take scanlators for granted and expect them to always be around, giving up all of their time in order for the chapter to come out when they want it to. once upon a time scanlators did this as a volunteer service for their friends who loved a series as much as they did. these days are long gone and so is the spirit in which scanlation started in the first place. it's no wonder so many who start quit early and the old ones who have stayed behind are churning to a halt.
i rarely see a team go out and flat out point fingers at their readers proclaiming that it's their fault. just because they've become exasperated with the system and seeing their hard work go unappreciated and destroyed, they become whiny bitches. i guess teams don't have feelings anyways and are expected to just keep churning chapters out like robots. can't win in an environment like that, so yes, many are making that choice to quit. it's no longer fun. it's no longer worth the money and time and dedication put in. is it the leechers fault? not necessarily. perhaps one could say it's the team's fault in the first place for believing that their work would be valued and appreciated with those they shared it with.
excuse me for sounding bitter, im not even a scanlator but after being affiliated with so many that fell, it's upsetting to see others who don't fully understand the situation nor the feelings of the teams shit on their feelings and accuse them of being "whiny".
i rarely see a team go out and flat out point fingers at their readers proclaiming that it's their fault. just because they've become exasperated with the system and seeing their hard work go unappreciated and destroyed, they become whiny bitches. i guess teams don't have feelings anyways and are expected to just keep churning chapters out like robots. can't win in an environment like that, so yes, many are making that choice to quit. it's no longer fun. it's no longer worth the money and time and dedication put in. is it the leechers fault? not necessarily. perhaps one could say it's the team's fault in the first place for believing that their work would be valued and appreciated with those they shared it with.
excuse me for sounding bitter, im not even a scanlator but after being affiliated with so many that fell, it's upsetting to see others who don't fully understand the situation nor the feelings of the teams shit on their feelings and accuse them of being "whiny".
» cvazir on September 5th, 2011, 9:34pm
I don't expect scanlators to work like machines without feelings. And they are free to quit whenever they feel like it.
And my problem was that I thought you are one of the people who say "non-scanlator=leecher" and blame all their problems on them who annoy me.
So I guess I agree with you.
And my problem was that I thought you are one of the people who say "non-scanlator=leecher" and blame all their problems on them who annoy me.
So I guess I agree with you.
» cmertb on September 5th, 2011, 8:27pm
Nah, there's a big difference between "readers" and "leechers". Leechers contribute absolutely nothing to the community, so they have no moral right to criticize any scanlator for anything, be it their work or their decision to quit. And if the leecher attitude (e.g. ingratitude) is what caused a scanlator to quit, why would you demand that he doesn't blame it on the leechers? Yes, it's his choice. But the leechers caused him to make that choice. What's so complicated about this?
» cvazir on September 5th, 2011, 9:42pm
And what's the difference? Readers being thankful, while leechers being assholes?
If that's how you see it then I agree with you here. But I don't think that many make this distinction, and call everyone else a leecher.
I wouldn't blame it on the ingratitude because, almost everyone has some small following showing appreciation. So blaming it on the leechers is the same as saying you don't get enough thanks.
That's the way I see it anyway, though I don't really expect people to be nice, especially on the internet.
If that's how you see it then I agree with you here. But I don't think that many make this distinction, and call everyone else a leecher.
I wouldn't blame it on the ingratitude because, almost everyone has some small following showing appreciation. So blaming it on the leechers is the same as saying you don't get enough thanks.
That's the way I see it anyway, though I don't really expect people to be nice, especially on the internet.
» cmertb on September 6th, 2011, 10:03am
I think it's a safe bet that 99% of manga readers are actually leechers who contribute exactly nothing to the community. Scanlators would be fine working for the remaining 1% and for themselves, but then additional complications arise. Eventually, scanlators realize that they're actually working for Jacky Yung, and it's that silent mass of leechers that enables Jacky Yung to take advantage of scanlators. And if a scanlator tries to complain about it, he is greeted with the typical leecher's raging sense of entitlement and practically no moral support from supposed readers. Then they quit.
Whose fault is it? The leechers, who else. I wouldn't blame Jacky, cause it's just natural to take advantage of suckers. Even matias discussed in this thread is a sucker. He did all the work, and Jacky pocketed all the cash. XD
Whose fault is it? The leechers, who else. I wouldn't blame Jacky, cause it's just natural to take advantage of suckers. Even matias discussed in this thread is a sucker. He did all the work, and Jacky pocketed all the cash. XD
» dosetsu on September 4th, 2011, 9:38pm
You know, people who choose to do what they want will continue to do just that. Basically, no amount of anything will change someones mind who's out to get something. You can whine, they'll whine right back at you. You can threaten, they'll threaten back. You can etc and they'll etc right back at you. You should basically stop caring because in general, no one cares on the internet.
But I guess at the end of the day, this guy did abuse his privileges and should be fired.
But I guess at the end of the day, this guy did abuse his privileges and should be fired.
» Panda on September 4th, 2011, 10:30pm
dosetsu the wise.
» scorpian8867 on September 4th, 2011, 10:35pm
I gained +3 IQ by reading this comment. Did anybody else feel smarter?
» thevampirate on September 5th, 2011, 2:32am
the release mod status didnt give him any powers to abuse he just happened to be a douche and uploaded other groups works to manga readers (rule of thumb is if you didn't do it don't upload it). The only reason MU has anything to do with this is he posted that he is a MU release mod on his Mangafox page. I think he should be fired for bringing the drama here, the fact that he did crap on MF has nothing to do with us but bringing this site in on it is a much bigger issue.
» matias067 on September 5th, 2011, 3:15am
too many replies i just skimmed it all...for now i'm on HALT on doing anything at MF
why am I the target here?
I am now gonna contact 'manga.dreamer' the main admin of Mangafox and request her to take down as a SuperModerator, the user named "MangaFox" (http://forums.mangafox.com/member.php?u=2)
You cloud also blame 'Kaldr' (http://forums.mangafox.com/member.php?u=599724) a QC staff of Mangafox. I know that he follows rules regarding upload delays, but sometimes there are other MF members uploading releases and sometimes he can't organize it all and some of the submitupload gets uploaded even if the delay rule (hour/day) is not yet done.
I'm sorry Kaldr for involving you, i'm not mad at you, and I know it's very hard being a single QC on MF. The user 'MangaFox' is the culprit.
For now, i'll w8 the reply of manga.dreamer(Jacky) and see what she'll decide...
Just to repeat, i'm NOT on mangafox's side.
why am I the target here?
I am now gonna contact 'manga.dreamer' the main admin of Mangafox and request her to take down as a SuperModerator, the user named "MangaFox" (http://forums.mangafox.com/member.php?u=2)
You cloud also blame 'Kaldr' (http://forums.mangafox.com/member.php?u=599724) a QC staff of Mangafox. I know that he follows rules regarding upload delays, but sometimes there are other MF members uploading releases and sometimes he can't organize it all and some of the submitupload gets uploaded even if the delay rule (hour/day) is not yet done.
I'm sorry Kaldr for involving you, i'm not mad at you, and I know it's very hard being a single QC on MF. The user 'MangaFox' is the culprit.
For now, i'll w8 the reply of manga.dreamer(Jacky) and see what she'll decide...
Just to repeat, i'm NOT on mangafox's side.
» DarkPatamon on September 5th, 2011, 3:25am
So what you are saying is that the one that approves releases before time is user "Mangafox" and you are not the culprit.
But if you know that (that he approves your uploads before time), why don't you upload AFTER the uploads delays imposed by scanlators?
But if you know that (that he approves your uploads before time), why don't you upload AFTER the uploads delays imposed by scanlators?
» matias067 on September 5th, 2011, 3:50am
user named 'MangaFox' doesn't approve his own releases. he is a SuperModerator wherein if he uploads, it won't go on the waiting list to be approved (approved by a QC) and his upload will automatically uploaded on site.
The only active QC staff on MF that I know is 'Kaldr' and he is the one who is managing the uploads on the waiting list to be approved. Normally, members on MF can't just add/upload a chapter. It needs to be approved first by a QC (Kaldr). The ones that are bypassing the waiting list are called 'Whitelist'
I have been Whitelisted by 'manga.dreamer', and I know that is a very wrong decision.
I already emailed 'manga.dreamer' to cancel my whitelisting status. Waiting for reply.
The only active QC staff on MF that I know is 'Kaldr' and he is the one who is managing the uploads on the waiting list to be approved. Normally, members on MF can't just add/upload a chapter. It needs to be approved first by a QC (Kaldr). The ones that are bypassing the waiting list are called 'Whitelist'
I have been Whitelisted by 'manga.dreamer', and I know that is a very wrong decision.
I already emailed 'manga.dreamer' to cancel my whitelisting status. Waiting for reply.
» DarkPatamon on September 5th, 2011, 3:57am
If it is so, I thinks all this debate is solved then.
Now, OT, I hope you don't stop contributing as you did up until now: you need a bit more 100 chapters and you will be first as contributor.
It would be a shame if you stopped now. XD
Best wishes.
Have a great day and don't be discouraged, ok?
Now, OT, I hope you don't stop contributing as you did up until now: you need a bit more 100 chapters and you will be first as contributor.
It would be a shame if you stopped now. XD
Best wishes.
Have a great day and don't be discouraged, ok?
» Toto on September 5th, 2011, 4:35am
It would be smarter for him to not upload anything at all on any online reader sites ever again.
» matias067 on September 5th, 2011, 4:43am
That would be fine for me.
» archknight on September 5th, 2011, 7:06am
lol you wish that was really the only problem....it wasn't really just about matias067, but with mangafox's sister site mangahere and all the other online reader out there like goodmanga.net and mangareader
» Chidongan55 on September 5th, 2011, 11:19am
lol. We are talking about you who have the info on releases and ALSO have the whitelist power. I don't see why you should include Kaldr's name here. Its you who upload those, KNOWING your upload will get through without being hold at the BackEnd, and lot of those releases have waiting period.
» Chidongan55 on September 5th, 2011, 1:00pm
1. why am I the target here?
Because you upload stuff at Mangafox, ignoring the waiting period.
2. I am now gonna contact 'manga.dreamer' the main admin of Mangafox and request her to take down as a SuperModerator, the user named "MangaFox"
lolwhut, shifting blame to others ?
3. You cloud also blame 'Kaldr' (http://forums.mangafox.com/member.php?u=599724) a QC staff of Mangafox. I know that he follows rules regarding upload delays, but sometimes there are other MF members uploading releases and sometimes he can't organize it all and some of the submitupload gets uploaded even if the delay rule (hour/day) is not yet done.
We're talking about you.
4. [b]I'm sorry Kaldr for involving you, i'm not mad at you]/b], and I know it's very hard being a single QC on MF. The user 'MangaFox' is the culprit.
You're not mad at him ? You really are a funny guy.
5. Just to repeat, i'm NOT on mangafox's side
Err, what ? Says the person who have been uploading stuff lots, trying to apply for the QC team there, and been posting comment on your upload such as "please accept my upload, I was first".
Stop derailing the topic.
Because you upload stuff at Mangafox, ignoring the waiting period.
2. I am now gonna contact 'manga.dreamer' the main admin of Mangafox and request her to take down as a SuperModerator, the user named "MangaFox"
lolwhut, shifting blame to others ?
3. You cloud also blame 'Kaldr' (http://forums.mangafox.com/member.php?u=599724) a QC staff of Mangafox. I know that he follows rules regarding upload delays, but sometimes there are other MF members uploading releases and sometimes he can't organize it all and some of the submitupload gets uploaded even if the delay rule (hour/day) is not yet done.
We're talking about you.
4. [b]I'm sorry Kaldr for involving you, i'm not mad at you]/b], and I know it's very hard being a single QC on MF. The user 'MangaFox' is the culprit.
You're not mad at him ? You really are a funny guy.
5. Just to repeat, i'm NOT on mangafox's side
Err, what ? Says the person who have been uploading stuff lots, trying to apply for the QC team there, and been posting comment on your upload such as "please accept my upload, I was first".
Stop derailing the topic.
» UnknownUser on September 5th, 2011, 4:28pm
You're throwing others under the bus to divert the blame that is a very transparent tactic. Nice try.
» StarlightDreams on September 5th, 2011, 7:30pm
lol You're the one who still uploaded the releases, doesn't matter if you weren't the one who approved it. I can't believe you're blaming others for it and trying to rid yourself of any blame.
» Pikapu on September 5th, 2011, 7:36pm
Way to go for making yourself look worse! Congratulations~
» lucy82 on September 5th, 2011, 9:41pm
I will really like to clarify some things here. There is an announcement that you can read where MF administrator informed all scanlator groups & contributors the actual status of uploads in the site and the extent of the power QC/staff have over the BE. Please read:
http://forums.mangafox.com/announcement.php?f=2& a=49
Also, it's very well know Manga Fox Staff have listed the Scanlator's policies and respect waiting periods:
http://forums.mangafox.com/threads/203259-List-of-Scanlators-Information?p=4798247& viewfull=1#post4798247
What is happening is very simply. Matias is in the White List, which mean his uploads will get through without being hold at the BackEnd. So, I'll really appreciate for you to not throw the blame in others when you're really well aware of how things are. MF QC is not to be blamed for this, not even staff itself. If you want to blame someone blame yourself for requesting upload.
Finally, In my personal opinion, I think this thread will just tend to bash matias what I found unnecessary. And my advice is for you to respect scanlators waiting period or things like this will keep happening.
P.S.: If i can't link please remove the links, I'm old member here but i do not post very often. Thanks.
http://forums.mangafox.com/announcement.php?f=2& a=49
Also, it's very well know Manga Fox Staff have listed the Scanlator's policies and respect waiting periods:
http://forums.mangafox.com/threads/203259-List-of-Scanlators-Information?p=4798247& viewfull=1#post4798247
What is happening is very simply. Matias is in the White List, which mean his uploads will get through without being hold at the BackEnd. So, I'll really appreciate for you to not throw the blame in others when you're really well aware of how things are. MF QC is not to be blamed for this, not even staff itself. If you want to blame someone blame yourself for requesting upload.
Finally, In my personal opinion, I think this thread will just tend to bash matias what I found unnecessary. And my advice is for you to respect scanlators waiting period or things like this will keep happening.
P.S.: If i can't link please remove the links, I'm old member here but i do not post very often. Thanks.
» Crenshinibon on September 5th, 2011, 10:21pm
Props for the public callout (really, I'm not being sarcastic here). Generally it's a pretty low move, but in this case I think the message it sends to the community at large is rather important. Better to give a second chance with public policing than to have everything hush over in 24 hours. We of the angry mobs tend to love to point fingers and carry the culprits to the guillotine ourselves.
» jarta on September 5th, 2011, 10:54pm
For I am too late to post on that thread since it's already locked.
May I explain something? Even if they have the same owners, the difference for those two online manga readers are the existing volunteer staff in Mangafox which Mangahere does not have. The Volunteer MF Staffs are the one who made the hosting policy that the staff adhere to. Inevitably Noez and staff do sometimes clash and there are times that the the staff especially the QC has their powers in the backend reduced.
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Wait, what's going on here? Does this mean that NOEZ only pretends to respect scanlators on Mangafox, and then turns around and rips them off blind on Mangahere to make up for lost revenue on Mangafox? Who can we trust anymore? My world is upside down...
May I explain something? Even if they have the same owners, the difference for those two online manga readers are the existing volunteer staff in Mangafox which Mangahere does not have. The Volunteer MF Staffs are the one who made the hosting policy that the staff adhere to. Inevitably Noez and staff do sometimes clash and there are times that the the staff especially the QC has their powers in the backend reduced.
» archknight on September 6th, 2011, 7:39am
see here, if the "volunteer MF staffs" keep clashing with the staff of Noez, and would never win. than why do they continue to keep uploading things on mangafox? It is because they dont give a shit about scanlator anymore, and all the ones that clashed with them before are probably all gone by now.
» lucy82 on September 6th, 2011, 9:39am
I think you missed my post, where I clearly pointed out the power MF staff have over the BackEnd. It's not that "we" upload what we should not (we adhere to our own rules, since we established them to start with). It's that we do not have powers to hold what we CAN'T, as i pointed out in my previous post when i refereed to the 'white list' where matias is listed and of that he's very well aware of it.
So, don't come to badmouth people when you don't even care to READ something very well explained already and when even our administrator made a public announcement to let Scanlators & Contributors know how much of a power MF volunteer staff is holding regarding uploads. Here you have it.: http://forums.mangafox.com/announcement.php?f=2& a=49
It's very easy to shift the blame in volunteer staff when we have not responsibility for it, and if you want to complain for the rest about NOES and Mangahere I have noting to say, but MF staff has not blame on it and have always been agreeable to respect scanlators and contributors as we have stated in our rules ourselves.
So, don't come to badmouth people when you don't even care to READ something very well explained already and when even our administrator made a public announcement to let Scanlators & Contributors know how much of a power MF volunteer staff is holding regarding uploads. Here you have it.: http://forums.mangafox.com/announcement.php?f=2& a=49
It's very easy to shift the blame in volunteer staff when we have not responsibility for it, and if you want to complain for the rest about NOES and Mangahere I have noting to say, but MF staff has not blame on it and have always been agreeable to respect scanlators and contributors as we have stated in our rules ourselves.
» cmertb on September 6th, 2011, 10:10am
Dear MF staff,
NOEZ are the bad guys. But you serve them. How is it that you shouldn't take blame? If NOEZ does something bad that you don't have the power to stop, QUIT. If you don't, you are accomplices.
NOEZ are the bad guys. But you serve them. How is it that you shouldn't take blame? If NOEZ does something bad that you don't have the power to stop, QUIT. If you don't, you are accomplices.
