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Group Links Removed
As some eagle-eyed users have noticed, all website and forum links for all scanlation groups have disappeared. In addition to this, none of the IRC links are clickable anymore; they remain as plain text. We regret to inform all of you that we have received a DMCA takedown notice. Of course, we wish to keep MangaUpdates running, so we had to resort to these measures. The representative of the group that submitted the DMCA has so far said these actions are enough.
Despite these changes, our release and group submission policies remain the same. Releases must be from scanlation groups that exist according to MangaUpdates, meaning they must have a group entry. In order to have a group entry, the group still needs to submit one or more of the following: website, forum, Twitter, Facebook, and IRC channel. The website and forum will not be displayed anywhere on MangaUpdates though. These pieces of information will be for our own purposes in order to verify the existence of a release. We continue to strive to display accurate information for all series, groups, and releases, so we will check the validity of every submitted release. If you feel a release is fake, you can submit a Change Request, and we will double check your claim.
Thank you for continuing to use MangaUpdates.
- lambchopsil & Manick
Despite these changes, our release and group submission policies remain the same. Releases must be from scanlation groups that exist according to MangaUpdates, meaning they must have a group entry. In order to have a group entry, the group still needs to submit one or more of the following: website, forum, Twitter, Facebook, and IRC channel. The website and forum will not be displayed anywhere on MangaUpdates though. These pieces of information will be for our own purposes in order to verify the existence of a release. We continue to strive to display accurate information for all series, groups, and releases, so we will check the validity of every submitted release. If you feel a release is fake, you can submit a Change Request, and we will double check your claim.
Thank you for continuing to use MangaUpdates.
- lambchopsil & Manick
» hamzah555 on December 3rd, 2013, 10:29pm
goddamnit
» Milleniummaster18 on December 3rd, 2013, 11:44pm
My thoughts exactly.
» ughman on December 4th, 2013, 2:56am
Mangaupdates is just a database. The last time they send was to remove the dl links, and now the website of the scanlators.
Its like reading yellow pages just list of names blank telephone numbers.
This is totally bullshit.
Its like reading yellow pages just list of names blank telephone numbers.
This is totally bullshit.
» yuri999 on December 4th, 2013, 3:36am
Quote from ughman
Mangaupdates is just a database. The last time they send was to remove the dl links, and now the website of the scanlators.
Its like reading yellow pages just list of names blank telephone numbers.
This is totally bullshit.
Its like reading yellow pages just list of names blank telephone numbers.
This is totally bullshit.
I was searching for the right analogy to use but this hits the nail right on the head. In fact I suspect this will further damage the DMCA notice issuers cause because people will start learning even more google keywords and learn about the existence of more manga sites that they never would have otherwise known about.
» monkry on December 4th, 2013, 4:05am
Quote from ughman
Mangaupdates is just a database. The last time they send was to remove the dl links, and now the website of the scanlators.
Its like reading yellow pages just list of names blank telephone numbers.
This is totally bullshit.
Its like reading yellow pages just list of names blank telephone numbers.
This is totally bullshit.
beautiful comparison
» Daisukereds on December 4th, 2013, 6:10am
As with anything, you get used to things with time
» Dionaea on December 4th, 2013, 12:21pm
This. Now where is my upvote button?
» Akillarian on December 3rd, 2013, 10:30pm
You have to do what you have to do.
» licorice on December 3rd, 2013, 10:30pm
Damn...
» zilentworld on December 3rd, 2013, 10:31pm
thats sad. welp i guess i have to go google the group now
» Chinmay on December 3rd, 2013, 10:33pm
Such sad news for convince!
I'm just gonna have to go and make a Favorite toolbar folder with links to each group site, that should fill up within a month of all the manga groups I read manga from.
The future of freedom seems narrow!
IDK I feel like sites like this will need to head in the Crunchyroll route, despite most people hating it at the start, because of the lack of content over time it became an alright place!
I'm just saying the amount of manga I have bought plainly because of this site after reading many manga is to grand I can say probably in the last few years spent like $2500+ on manga and anime.
This site actually help, in that regards a connection with magazine group to this site would be nice.
Anyway for now as long as we have actuate database of manga in existence and its status this will still be the best manga database ever!.
I'm just gonna have to go and make a Favorite toolbar folder with links to each group site, that should fill up within a month of all the manga groups I read manga from.
The future of freedom seems narrow!
IDK I feel like sites like this will need to head in the Crunchyroll route, despite most people hating it at the start, because of the lack of content over time it became an alright place!
I'm just saying the amount of manga I have bought plainly because of this site after reading many manga is to grand I can say probably in the last few years spent like $2500+ on manga and anime.
This site actually help, in that regards a connection with magazine group to this site would be nice.
Anyway for now as long as we have actuate database of manga in existence and its status this will still be the best manga database ever!.
» jasperv on December 5th, 2013, 4:06am
the manga pages already display if its licenced and the group/company that licenced it, even further it display the original magazine who publish it
» Bloodkay on December 3rd, 2013, 10:38pm
Sad times. I guess it doesn't change much for us (it's simply 1-2 more steps to get to the release), so long as you guys are toeing the line on the safe side, I won't argue. MangaUpdates still remains to be the best site around for tracking my favorite series.
Keep up the good work, guys.
Keep up the good work, guys.
» makoz on December 3rd, 2013, 10:40pm
I'm glad that this was enough. Who's the complainant? I'm surprised they went for the middleman.
» licorice on December 3rd, 2013, 10:50pm
I doubt they'll tell us. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they were informed to NOT say who they are when addressing their readers about the notice.
» FormX on December 3rd, 2013, 11:05pm
The day has come ... hopefully this is it, not the beginning.
Usually the case.
Quote from TKS
I doubt they'll tell us. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they were informed to NOT say who they are when addressing their readers about the notice.
Usually the case.
» Hinokai on December 3rd, 2013, 11:09pm
Could be Crunchyroll, recently opening their manga department and all.
» Chocolate Chip on December 4th, 2013, 4:44pm
If that's the case (which it likely is), then talk about hypocrisy in action.
» deadphoenix on December 3rd, 2013, 11:00pm
Might it be possible to delete the links of only for groups with DMCA contents.
It becomes rather difficult to moderate the releases without a link.
I've got the feeling that the one that gave the DMCA complain, just wants mangastreams homepage away.
Might it be possible to add releases from groups that release on online readers now?
It looks ok as long as the name of the reader doesn't appear.
Yesterday, I discovered one of my favourite series to be scanlated 50 chapters ahead.
Anyway, the most important thing about Mangaupdates is still the information and the ability to hold list.
I've tried to hold list with an excel document in the past, but this is impossible with the large variety of links that some series have.
New groups will be in problem now.
They release their stuff and the online readers runs away with it. Online reader become richer and the situation becomes worsen.
What are the license holders thinking, to give their arch enemy the control of the marked.
Non-profit sites like mangaupdates are the only ones that give them income (the minority of people that read scans,but also buy the real manga can be found on the non-profit sites. Their is more than enough proof for this (a lot of stuff that isn't scanned has a rating.)
It becomes rather difficult to moderate the releases without a link.
I've got the feeling that the one that gave the DMCA complain, just wants mangastreams homepage away.
Might it be possible to add releases from groups that release on online readers now?
It looks ok as long as the name of the reader doesn't appear.
Yesterday, I discovered one of my favourite series to be scanlated 50 chapters ahead.
Anyway, the most important thing about Mangaupdates is still the information and the ability to hold list.
I've tried to hold list with an excel document in the past, but this is impossible with the large variety of links that some series have.
New groups will be in problem now.
They release their stuff and the online readers runs away with it. Online reader become richer and the situation becomes worsen.
What are the license holders thinking, to give their arch enemy the control of the marked.
Non-profit sites like mangaupdates are the only ones that give them income (the minority of people that read scans,but also buy the real manga can be found on the non-profit sites. Their is more than enough proof for this (a lot of stuff that isn't scanned has a rating.)
» maine12329 on December 3rd, 2013, 11:54pm
I second this motion! not all groups have violated the DMCA and this may stifle scanlation largely. 
» kronpas on December 4th, 2013, 1:31am
Im going with batoto link list for the time being.
» kitty1826x on December 3rd, 2013, 11:06pm
I surprised this thread isn't locked ... ( I wonder if I'm jinxing it )
I see how a notice got sent, sad that it did though
I see how a notice got sent, sad that it did though
» kayue on December 3rd, 2013, 11:13pm
Perhaps you (or someone else) could create a grand "scanlation group address list" whereby one could find the group without specifying what manga they scanlate.
It would take one more step for us to find the group, but such a list shouldn't be illegal.
(I wonder who filed the DCMA. It would have to be pretty generalized to affect all titles.)
Edit: Also, weirdly enough, I suspect that this will make the situation worse for the "legitimate" sources of manga since it will drive readers to aggregate sites since it will be "easier" to find titles there.
It would take one more step for us to find the group, but such a list shouldn't be illegal.
(I wonder who filed the DCMA. It would have to be pretty generalized to affect all titles.)
Edit: Also, weirdly enough, I suspect that this will make the situation worse for the "legitimate" sources of manga since it will drive readers to aggregate sites since it will be "easier" to find titles there.
» licorice on December 3rd, 2013, 11:48pm
I'm surprised those aggregators haven't received a DMCA themselves.
» Ustnap on December 4th, 2013, 12:02am
Who's to say they haven't, lol.
» licorice on December 4th, 2013, 12:13am
I guess I have some reading to do...
» butako chan on December 6th, 2013, 11:05pm
Maybe they bribed them...O_O
» Scyfon on December 3rd, 2013, 11:22pm
» duskyderp on December 7th, 2013, 1:16am
Quote from Scyfon
lol you took the words out of my mouth.
Quote from Kitty18dnsz
Link is broken and undreadable you may need to host the document.
Quote from imercenary
They CAN affect secondary websites, but its a bullshit move with no end in sight. You literally cannot defend yourself against DMCA claims because they don't stand and fight. All they do is run away while you bleed out and the public buys into the belief that secondary websites are in the wrong cause the courts never side with them (on account of the fact that no case has ever gone to court).
Its catch-22. Fight it and you'll never win unless you're a billionaire (in which case they won't DMCA you in the first place in fear that you'd actually bring them to court). Or give up (do what they want) and lose by default.
Its catch-22. Fight it and you'll never win unless you're a billionaire (in which case they won't DMCA you in the first place in fear that you'd actually bring them to court). Or give up (do what they want) and lose by default.
Actually this is a bullshit move, but it’s also highly illegal because, from the information given, its not fair due process. Even in cases where Google has won DCMA cases, it has been slapped on the wrist. Its even been successful counter sued twice over the issue. Do you know, it took Sony over 2 years of legal troubles hacking back in 2009 by anon just because they failed the due process issue involved in DCMA of the information stolen? Literally they didn’t file a DCMA claim properly. Sony actually had to remove their warrant because it was physically impossible for the hacker, after being caught to actually do because it was on the internet. So there is a legal end in sight, that legal end being your Miranda rights and public pressure. However, I am still not sure if Google is the one filed the DMCA case, because I am waiting for someone to reply to my earlier question in this thread. This whole thing smells like fraud.
Also, court does side with little man. And billionaires do get sued or punished over copyright. Just look at Fox’s copyright infringement of SirMixalot. They lost major public face, and employees, over 50 billion dollars in stock when SirMixalot simply told his story to the local news. He only drop the case because Fox’s officially apologized for try threaten to sue him. Nintendo recently withdrawled all its DCMA claims youtube due to public pressure and more importantly loss of advertising revenue on youtube. This was also because the very people it DCMAced were it was paying to publish and because it was also target people who had been attacked by fraudulent DMCAs before. So no, the little fish does matter. However, mangaupdates is not a little fish, it’s a big one. It needs to start acting like it and have a more realistic understanding of how DCMA cases work.
Quote from cmertb
Google removes links from searches when DMCA specifies those links.When you search for a manga title, you invariably get a notice that some links aren't shown due to a DMCA complaint. They will not remove the whole online reader, but they will remove links to specific pages on that online reader. S ...
Yes, but google has a process in how it files these complaints and removed those searches. From the information given, I have not seen evidence that this process was properly filed? So how do we really know this is google? How do we know if this a proper DCMA claim?
Quote from T1
Exactly. I totally agree with that, it's what they are saying but not doing.
They've known about manga scanlations for a long time. It would be very weird that Viz, Tokyopop, DarkHorse, etcetc never told them to remove those sites from Google searches. If Google did their job, I don't think we would have to see something like this today. Of course don't think that the japanese company are sending anything to Google.
There's only one guy I know of who's actively doing something his stuff ending on the net. His stuff is taken down very fast too. Like 1-2 days after it's up. The rest could do the same. Though it's the big firms in Japan that needs to take this step.
They've known about manga scanlations for a long time. It would be very weird that Viz, Tokyopop, DarkHorse, etcetc never told them to remove those sites from Google searches. If Google did their job, I don't think we would have to see something like this today. Of course don't think that the japanese company are sending anything to Google.
There's only one guy I know of who's actively doing something his stuff ending on the net. His stuff is taken down very fast too. Like 1-2 days after it's up. The rest could do the same. Though it's the big firms in Japan that needs to take this step.
This literally my point brother, except for the fact that not even google files these things like this. They file with a third party for a reason.
Quote from Great
Well said. I agree. Stop complaining. Just take it or leave it. 
I was already following manga from the era even before IRC (gotlurk) got dominant, so I dont think this would affect much. BUT, if MangaUpdates is gone entirely, now thats a tough one. But I wouldnt have any place to react because this forum would also gone, right? no
So enough talk, brace yourself, and just take it as a manga lover, we will find the way. biggrin
I was already following manga from the era even before IRC (gotlurk) got dominant, so I dont think this would affect much. BUT, if MangaUpdates is gone entirely, now thats a tough one. But I wouldnt have any place to react because this forum would also gone, right? no
So enough talk, brace yourself, and just take it as a manga lover, we will find the way. biggrin
Facepalm. Ok, man have you ever seen copyright DCMA fraud!? I am sorry if I sound like a jerk, but some us have and we know what fraudulent DCMA claims look like. (Its all my brother talks about sometimes <_<; )
Now before you say huh? or what? DCMA fraud happens all the time, else well my brother would out of a decent paying part time job as a paralegal. His boss and his boss's boss would probably be out of a job too.
From Manik's own post (http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=44069), we read
Spoiler (mouse over to view)
2. The DMCA request was for "Contributory Infringement", and this link was provided directly by the organization that filed the request: http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca512/question.cgi?QuestionID= 268
(My main point -->) That the link was http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca512/question.cgi?QuestionID= 268, which is an FAQ not an actual Chilling Effect Open Record DMCA report~! If this was a legit DCMA claim there would be a chilling effects open record report attached with it. That link is missing and everything else that has been posted about DCMA claim points fraud, like it being called "the organization" (<-- Main point)
It is Google policy all DCMA claims they do have to have a proper third party report when they are filed. That report has to list the companies or person on behalf of Google is filing the report else is suspect also to fraud (especially if it involved youtube). Thus, clearly someone is scamming mangaupdates. This is not how Google’s legal employees have been taught to file DCMA reports.
Now Mangaupdates could change their link policy and that is ok. I think the new script is a wonderful idea, and I give it applause below. However, the fact remains is they are being scammed. I don't like website who I consider nice and friendly being scammed. It makes me angry and green.... you won't like me when I am angry.
For the new script:
^applauze 'cause scripts are awesome. I just wish we would make this an app for my phone. ^_^;
» imercenary on December 7th, 2013, 1:00pm
Quote from duskyderp
So there is a legal end in sight, that legal end being your Miranda rights and public pressure.
Miranda rights only apply to criminal suspects, not civil. The type of DMCA violations mangaupdates is being accused of are anti-circumvention provisions, a civil violation.
Sorry, but if you can't get something like this correct, you have no idea what you're talking about.
» philip72 on December 3rd, 2013, 11:23pm
Can you post the DMCA?
This sounds excessive. Some of us here (not me) are lawyers and law students and would like a chance to peruse it.
This sounds excessive. Some of us here (not me) are lawyers and law students and would like a chance to peruse it.
» panos on December 3rd, 2013, 11:32pm
Excuse me for the ignorance but besides the link to the scanlators and the irc link the website will continue to work normally? Cause I have all my manga stored in here with ratings and reviews and I would be devastated if something further occurs.
» philip72 on December 3rd, 2013, 11:51pm
Sorry Panos, I have no clue.
This is all quite suspicious, they haven't even told us who the shady group who issued this extremely overreaching takedown notice is, and there's no legal reason why they can't.
I think MangaUpdates has been cowed and intimidated by aggressive legal posturing. The takedown submitters representative probably can't believe their great fortune in that it actually worked. Of course they're fine with removing all the links, they hadn't a leg to stand on to begin with.
This is all quite suspicious, they haven't even told us who the shady group who issued this extremely overreaching takedown notice is, and there's no legal reason why they can't.
I think MangaUpdates has been cowed and intimidated by aggressive legal posturing. The takedown submitters representative probably can't believe their great fortune in that it actually worked. Of course they're fine with removing all the links, they hadn't a leg to stand on to begin with.
» philip72 on December 3rd, 2013, 11:30pm
Also how does linking to scanlators sites violate the DMCA? Furthermore why not just take down the links in the notice? Though rights holders may wish it does, the DMCA doesn't work that way.
Something doesn't seem right here.
Something doesn't seem right here.
» kihi on December 4th, 2013, 12:03am
Groups links dont violate DMCA since the copyright has nothing to do with links. The person who send the DMCA is one shady figure.
» kihi on December 3rd, 2013, 11:50pm
Can you please post the source of DMCA and the DMCA itself i think the fans have the right to know since it effect all of us. I'm sure there is nothing about not "do not disclose this DMCA" is it does they are not following the proper legal system.
publisher in a nutshell
publisher in a nutshell
» GhostWriter on December 3rd, 2013, 11:55pm
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
» REGIS_JOSE on December 4th, 2013, 12:12am
» Lilanar on December 4th, 2013, 12:12am
Bad news. Readers were visiting scanlators' sites less and less these past years anyway. I can't help but think how much illegal sites such as Mangafox, etc. are going to benefit from this.
» babel on December 4th, 2013, 11:01am
This I think is the main issue here. The on-line reader sites (the only pirates here) - are going to become even busier and richer now.
Are they being dealt with in any way? Nope.
This is retarded.
Are they being dealt with in any way? Nope.
This is retarded.
» Milleniummaster18 on December 4th, 2013, 12:25am
I understand the "we can't afford to be sued" mentality here, but that doesn't mean MU has to be a glutton for legal harassment. I trust you did your homework before taking this decision.
In my opinion, whoever group's threatening to sue is overextending their hand. It might be a bogus claim.
In my opinion, whoever group's threatening to sue is overextending their hand. It might be a bogus claim.
» mysstris on December 4th, 2013, 1:06am
This doesn't make any sense to me.....why target MU? like others have said, sites like MF are just going to profit more..Big Brother stay out of it!
this isn't going to stop me from continuing to use this site though, it's not like I don't know how to use google.
this isn't going to stop me from continuing to use this site though, it's not like I don't know how to use google.
» kihi on December 4th, 2013, 1:16am
oh my dear, haven't you noticed already DMCA always target sites with nothing to lose (monetarily).
» mysstris on December 4th, 2013, 5:04pm
actually this is the first site I know of (from ones that I visit) that's been targeted so I actually don't know that.I understand that sites like MF probably getting these notices as well but it's probably b/c of the profits that give them the capability to ignore them even under the threat of being sued. Still isn't it counter intuitive to target sites like MU?
» misc on December 4th, 2013, 1:11am
F**k this s**t!!!
A fourth of what I've read depends on the links provided here damn it, because I read a lot of doujinshis, and you're going to go through hell if you try to find those doujinshis' scanlators' websites through google. I don't understand the legal procedures very well but can't there be like, an option for scanators to decide whether they want to publicise their websites or not? I'm sure a lot of scanlators would want, no, NEED such option, since big names probably won't be affected by this but what about new groups that haven't established a name for themselves yet? How are they supposed to advertise their works, and what the hell am I supposed to do now to visit 'young' scanlators when I don't even have any mean?
» bakaliner on December 4th, 2013, 1:26am
For those that think that admin is overreacting please read http://www.chillingeffects.org/linking/faq.cgi. Can't blame them. But they surely could tell us who is the jackass that send that notice. If the one who send it have any legitimacy than we could only be silent. But if the one who send it is just a nobody.... then let hell be unleashed upon them. 
But if the one who send it is just a nobody.... then let hell be unleashed upon them. » Dionaea on December 4th, 2013, 12:30pm
Indeed they're not overreacting, but naming the culprit would be good.
» retro123 on December 4th, 2013, 5:38pm
But they are not linking to the offending material they are linking to the main sites which isn't illegal.
» red255 on December 4th, 2013, 1:37am
Honestly, Not sure I will continue to use mangaupdates.
sorry. I could ask about what form the DMCA notice came to cow you into action. what exactly it took for you to effectively shut the site down.
Obviously this is a developing situation.
but your actions have removed any reason for me to visit this site.
so unless you do something by the time I check back in a few days I'm going to never visit again.
sorry. the sad thing is, I don't even think you got an actual notice. from WHO exactly?
sorry. I could ask about what form the DMCA notice came to cow you into action. what exactly it took for you to effectively shut the site down.
Obviously this is a developing situation.
but your actions have removed any reason for me to visit this site.
so unless you do something by the time I check back in a few days I'm going to never visit again.
sorry. the sad thing is, I don't even think you got an actual notice. from WHO exactly?
» Hostile on December 4th, 2013, 5:38am
I completely agree. This site finally got what it wanted and removed group links by making up some lie like they did when they took down DL links. Even if they had a problem they could clearly hire an expensive lawyer to take care of matters but it seems like they don't care about their members anymore.
» Unknown on December 5th, 2013, 4:17am
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» pyonk on December 4th, 2013, 1:45am
Seriously?? Really??
can someone help me understand why this is happening but site like mangafox continue to exist?
i mean, if posting hyperlink to scanlation site is illegal and they ask to take it down, why online reader still standing?
can someone help me understand why this is happening but site like mangafox continue to exist?
i mean, if posting hyperlink to scanlation site is illegal and they ask to take it down, why online reader still standing?
» eirini_kl on December 4th, 2013, 1:52am
Mangafox has its servers in China, which means it's not subject to US law and therefore the DMCA can't control it. Well, the only thing to be done is google the scanlator sites we read manga from and store the adresses to a favorites list. It's a bit more work but nothing we can't handle. The most important thing is that the reading lists and updates remain intact.
» pyonk on December 4th, 2013, 2:31am
I see, but why all the hyperlinks?? I dont think they hold copyright for all the scanlation..
This is suspicious, really.
This DMCA things really pain in the ass. but oh well, we are in a grey area anyway.
I live in third world country where there is no DMCA-shit around except a tight censor for pornography where even Mangafox and other online-reader manga site is blocked by nawalaproject-shit from my shitty gvernment for porn reason
This is suspicious, really.
This DMCA things really pain in the ass. but oh well, we are in a grey area anyway.
I live in third world country where there is no DMCA-shit around except a tight censor for pornography where even Mangafox and other online-reader manga site is blocked by nawalaproject-shit from my shitty gvernment for porn reason
» MewMan on December 6th, 2013, 8:53am
Quote from eirini_kl
Mangafox has its servers in China, which means it's not subject to US law and therefore the DMCA can't control it. Well, the only thing to be done is google the scanlator sites we read manga from and store the adresses to a favorites list. It's a bit more work but nothing we can't handle. The most i ...
time for Mangaupdates to get a server in New Zealand like MegaUpload?
» Harimau on December 4th, 2013, 1:54am
Sigh.
» GuttedGnome on December 4th, 2013, 1:56am
Copyright trolls? Who or what that is registered in the US have the legal right to send a DMCA notice for every single manga that exist on here? I can smell something rotten about this.
» coa88 on December 4th, 2013, 1:57am
This is serious bullshit. There's no way a link to a scanlator's site would be an infringement. Sure, everything you want can still be found out there but this is just bothersome. You should remove all the links to the publishers sites as well, just to be on equal footing.
» Mercenary09 on December 4th, 2013, 1:59am
muh convenience. Oh well. I figured something like this when I noticed at least a few pages having no links.
» Reyalsdog on December 4th, 2013, 2:00am
That's totally retarded - removing links to sites and forums, but letting stay facebook and twitter where posted same links to manga. Why no making referral to some anonimisers then?
And MU wasn't good with links to begin with, and now it's only updates and catalog. Yes, updates and manga catalog is important, but finding those updates will be a pain in the ass, not to mention finding old releases. And you know it's only beginning.
And MU wasn't good with links to begin with, and now it's only updates and catalog. Yes, updates and manga catalog is important, but finding those updates will be a pain in the ass, not to mention finding old releases. And you know it's only beginning.
» eirini_kl on December 4th, 2013, 2:05am
Btw, batoto has links to scanlator sites as well so you can find them there easily. When will those fellows learn there's no way to control the internet...
» Damnedman on December 4th, 2013, 2:07am
Can't say this doesn't sound sketchy. Does DMCA really give copyright holders that much power? It's not like the MU is linking directly to the download pages.
» Hinokai on December 4th, 2013, 2:09am
What is this, the DMCA equivalent of a Pay-up-or-else scheme? Send a ridiculous notice and then go 'Oh, but we can begrudgingly accept you removing all links from your site'.
How absurd.
How absurd.
» Unrequited on December 4th, 2013, 2:14am
So is there another site similar to this that posts links? PM in case I guess.
» Zuan on December 4th, 2013, 2:17am
What I don't understand is why remove the IRC links too... That makes zero sense. My first link to manga was to this site and had this site not had any links to the scanlators themselves and the IRC too, I would not be reading manga or watching anime at this point. I learned the basics of IRC to navigate to release on IRC only groups.
I would love to see the DMCA notice. As probably many, such as myself, have been a member for many years (6 for me as of last month) it would be nice to be able to see, confirm and argue its validity. Any other site that I have ever been a member of that has received a DMCA at least gave us the courtesy of presenting it.
I would love to see the DMCA notice. As probably many, such as myself, have been a member for many years (6 for me as of last month) it would be nice to be able to see, confirm and argue its validity. Any other site that I have ever been a member of that has received a DMCA at least gave us the courtesy of presenting it.
» PROzess on December 4th, 2013, 2:39am
It was a great era with Mangaupdates.
It's sad to see it come to an end like this.
Thanks for all the efforts up to this point.
RIP
It's sad to see it come to an end like this.
Thanks for all the efforts up to this point.
RIP
» zenaku2005 on December 4th, 2013, 2:42am
This sound highly suspicious, It sounds like someone is trying to channel this site traffic to theirs.
More importantly the DMCA have no rights to shut down sites that are not hosting/uploading copyrighted material, Take MediaFire for example the links that contains the copyrighted materials were just taken down while those that weren't under the DMCA stayed up.
So removing the links to sites that may or may not contain materials under the DMCA makes sense as much as this
While it's true that some sites where taken down due to posting links but in all instant these links were HYPERLINKS in other words click-able links, Posting non click-able links as a normal text should be O.K. otherwise it will violate the First Amendment of Constitution and if they can do that will....
More importantly the DMCA have no rights to shut down sites that are not hosting/uploading copyrighted material, Take MediaFire for example the links that contains the copyrighted materials were just taken down while those that weren't under the DMCA stayed up.
So removing the links to sites that may or may not contain materials under the DMCA makes sense as much as this
While it's true that some sites where taken down due to posting links but in all instant these links were HYPERLINKS in other words click-able links, Posting non click-able links as a normal text should be O.K. otherwise it will violate the First Amendment of Constitution and if they can do that will....
» pyonk on December 4th, 2013, 3:02am
Quote from zenaku2005
While it's true that some sites where taken down due to posting links but in all instant these links were HYPERLINKS in other words click-able links, Posting non click-able links as a normal text should be O.K. otherwise it will violate the First Amendment of Constitution and if they can do that will...
This. why dont we do this? it makes sense.
although i dont really know how wide DMCA apply on this, whether posting web or site address with normal text considered as infrigement or not. If not, can we just use this method?
» Lilanar on December 4th, 2013, 3:36am
Quote from zenaku2005
This sound highly suspicious, It sounds like someone is trying to channel this site traffic to theirs.
More importantly the DMCA have no rights to shut down sites that are not hosting/uploading copyrighted material...
More importantly the DMCA have no rights to shut down sites that are not hosting/uploading copyrighted material...
So true. It's really fishy. And I don't know why only one other site comes to my mind that no one has been able or really tried to stop it even when they're hosting popular copyrighted/licensed series.
» brunoais on December 4th, 2013, 6:29am
Quote from Lilanar
So true. It's really fishy. And I don't know why only one other site comes to my mind that no one has been able or really tried to stop it even when they're hosting popular copyrighted/licensed series.
The problem here is the "enabling" part of the agreement. So it still is possible but reeeealllllly suspicious.
» romance20 on December 4th, 2013, 3:00am
if you can't have the links, can you at least have the address of the site written on the page so then we don't have to look for it.
» Rashidisw on December 4th, 2013, 3:13am
This is doing disservice to scanlator groups, as they will got less visitors, and that means less revenues from ads.
while they mostly can't monetized the ads on their facebook & twitter link, as those ads revenues goes directly to facebook & twitter companies.
while they mostly can't monetized the ads on their facebook & twitter link, as those ads revenues goes directly to facebook & twitter companies.
» gwkimmy on December 4th, 2013, 3:14am
hmmm....does this mean we can't post scanlator site links anywhere in the forum either?
if so...sjdlasjdlkjalkjdaldjaskljdlaj
if so...sjdlasjdlkjalkjdaldjaskljdlaj
» Elemhunter on December 4th, 2013, 3:16am
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» connerity on December 4th, 2013, 3:23am
There is a multitude of fishy things going on here.
Foremost, the removal of links for ALL groups, not just ones where there is actually material that falls under the DMCA.
Sounds to me like someone from a profiteering online reader like mangafox wants to make some more profit by making scanlators harder to reach.
Foremost, the removal of links for ALL groups, not just ones where there is actually material that falls under the DMCA.
Sounds to me like someone from a profiteering online reader like mangafox wants to make some more profit by making scanlators harder to reach.
» Reyalsdog on December 4th, 2013, 3:29am
More like Crunchyroll. Especially since they were bought by other
Spoiler (mouse over to view)
and jew
group not so long ago, and they have manga service now.» En Do on December 4th, 2013, 3:28am
Dam...but well as long as i can check the releases because i'm following a lot of series it's okay.
also, anyone notice this sentence?
"The representative of the group that submitted the DMCA has so far said these actions are enough."
so there are figureheads huh...
also, anyone notice this sentence?
"The representative of the group that submitted the DMCA has so far said these actions are enough."
so there are figureheads huh...
» ersatz on December 4th, 2013, 3:33am
This is really funky, at least restore the adresses in simple text. They can't forbid that, it's ridiculous.
I agree with so many people in this thread that I don't even know what to quote... please say something lambchopsil...
I agree with so many people in this thread that I don't even know what to quote... please say something lambchopsil...
» annebel on December 4th, 2013, 4:03am
Uh, this is bad. But if the rest stays as it is, it will be ok for me. We all know how to use a search engine.
Only to think about your database and the daily releases will disappear one day makes me mad.
Only to think about your database and the daily releases will disappear one day makes me mad.
» derpMonster on December 4th, 2013, 4:28am
I kinda think this will protect the groups actually. Let the aggregators bear the brunt of whatever may come, they're the ones profiteering.
» Cainam on December 4th, 2013, 4:32am
Umm... So I try to read all the replies here, but I stopped at the end of the first page (no offense, but all I see is meaningless talk and complain).
What I get is that all the groups link and IRC are forbidden and limited to just facebook and twitter. So it's alright then if a group have either facebook or twitter and put their site link there. Or maybe some kindhearted people can make a fan page in facebook a kind of manga updates which create notes filled with groups' links.
What I get is that all the groups link and IRC are forbidden and limited to just facebook and twitter. So it's alright then if a group have either facebook or twitter and put their site link there. Or maybe some kindhearted people can make a fan page in facebook a kind of manga updates which create notes filled with groups' links.
» tactics on December 4th, 2013, 4:34am
...
Well this is bullshit.
I agree with whoever said that you should keep the website address there, but not link it. If that makes any difference. I don't see how linking to a website is bad in the first place. The downloads I could understand, but this? Rubbish.
Same old though. Hit the easy targets. Never go for the big guns.
Asshats.
Well this is bullshit.
I agree with whoever said that you should keep the website address there, but not link it. If that makes any difference. I don't see how linking to a website is bad in the first place. The downloads I could understand, but this? Rubbish.
Same old though. Hit the easy targets. Never go for the big guns.
Asshats.
» Gleam on December 4th, 2013, 5:05am
Seems like beginning of the MU's demise. How soon it would be before another DMCA's letter will come claiming that it's unlawfull to even mention scanlation group? After that would be notice about mentioning releases itself.
Why MU staff so weak for pressure? The demand to remove link just to the one whole site where infringing links MAY BE posted is already pushing it. The demand to remove all links indisciminately is nothing less than outrageous, because, if nothing other, there's no company which has full copyright to ALL manga mentioned on MU.
Why Google's stance can't be employed? If someone sending them letter about some search engine results, they check, if sender REALLY has the right for mentioned material and if material is really beyond fair use, and only THEN google remove links. With mentioning who was sender and which links (in plain text) was removed.
P.S. Maybe I should start to search another source of information. With current state of things this one may not live long.
Why MU staff so weak for pressure? The demand to remove link just to the one whole site where infringing links MAY BE posted is already pushing it. The demand to remove all links indisciminately is nothing less than outrageous, because, if nothing other, there's no company which has full copyright to ALL manga mentioned on MU.
Why Google's stance can't be employed? If someone sending them letter about some search engine results, they check, if sender REALLY has the right for mentioned material and if material is really beyond fair use, and only THEN google remove links. With mentioning who was sender and which links (in plain text) was removed.
P.S. Maybe I should start to search another source of information. With current state of things this one may not live long.
» kuraixdesu on December 4th, 2013, 4:57am
I don't know if I missed anything, but as long as updates are provided, I'm sure we're not entirely that lazy to click a few more buttons to access the updated releases.
But having said that, MU just needs another method to verify legit releases, which I thank you guys for working around this problem for us dedicated lurkers.
But if the updates are no longer provided... That's when I see red.
But having said that, MU just needs another method to verify legit releases, which I thank you guys for working around this problem for us dedicated lurkers.
But if the updates are no longer provided... That's when I see red.
» Nyajinsky on December 4th, 2013, 5:04am
damn, where are anonymous when you need them?
» Pionfou on December 4th, 2013, 5:08am
To be fair, it's not that much harder to get links to scanlators websites so the site still serves it's purpose more or less. Googling the group name is usually enough to get it done, if not adding scans/scanlations to the end will do it for the vast majority of the remainder.
If you go to the scanlators site enough it's just Ctrl+T-address, which might even be faster. Slightly annoyed this happened after I deleted my collection of bookmarks of scanlator websites because it turned out to be mostly useless but oh well.
If you go to the scanlators site enough it's just Ctrl+T-address, which might even be faster. Slightly annoyed this happened after I deleted my collection of bookmarks of scanlator websites because it turned out to be mostly useless but oh well.
» Kitsame on December 4th, 2013, 5:18am
Wait... what?
Someone told you to remove html links to other sites and you complied?And not just specific sites, but all of them?And you did it?
Are you guys retards?You were not keeping DL links, you were just keeping html links to other sites and that is not law breaking offense.They can only send notice to scanlators since they are official law-breakers.
Also, since you deleted all html links they are "satisfied"?Sounds like you got conned hard.
And what is the point of your site, now that you deleted links to other sites?
Someone told you to remove html links to other sites and you complied?And not just specific sites, but all of them?And you did it?
Are you guys retards?You were not keeping DL links, you were just keeping html links to other sites and that is not law breaking offense.They can only send notice to scanlators since they are official law-breakers.
Also, since you deleted all html links they are "satisfied"?Sounds like you got conned hard.
And what is the point of your site, now that you deleted links to other sites?
» panos on December 4th, 2013, 8:54am
Couldn't agree more. This whole thing seems fishy to me and will push away scanlators from this site. And why won't the website name won't be displayed anywhere and instead just delete the link. Either they were conned hard or bribed to act this way.
» ampzz on December 4th, 2013, 5:43am
This has just made me remove B-U from my bookmarks list as I won't even bother coming ehre again.
Good fucking bye to this.
Good fucking bye to this.
» sunao26 on December 4th, 2013, 5:44am
Holy crap, people are being so rude here (and dumb).
I'd rather not have any links anymore if that means MU won't go down. Thanks guys for your great work as always. I've been using this website for 9 years now haha.
I'd rather not have any links anymore if that means MU won't go down. Thanks guys for your great work as always. I've been using this website for 9 years now haha.
» D_P on December 4th, 2013, 6:37am
>wanting to keep a trashy site up and running
lol.
lol.
» caitnap on December 4th, 2013, 6:17am
O_O now it will be harder to find scanlation group
guess I will sport "Google" on another tab each time I come here
guess I will sport "Google" on another tab each time I come here
» turek101 on December 4th, 2013, 6:28am
Could somebody tell me which groups submitted the DMCA i wanna know for whom i must buy bigger glasses because i think they are blind.
Someone suggested if u can post link without directlink it would help to go faster to groups homesites is it possible ?
and btw some sites change they country of server just to make money and they dont give a **** about groups why they dont they accuse them instead
Someone suggested if u can post link without directlink it would help to go faster to groups homesites is it possible ?
and btw some sites change they country of server just to make money and they dont give a **** about groups why they dont they accuse them instead
» yuri999 on December 4th, 2013, 7:09am
What's done is done. Either this decision will be reversed or a new manga database site will come up soon.
» ayumisingo on December 4th, 2013, 7:10am
don't worry guys it still easy to find the group just block the grup name and search from google and 
» neuron2 on December 4th, 2013, 7:39am
One less reason to visit MangaUpdates.
» cris0327 on December 4th, 2013, 7:40am
In this past years many take down on free file hosting site and isp putting Bandwidth cap on their service and now this.Look like the internet is will also following "Nothing Is Free in this World" policy.
» 668 on December 4th, 2013, 8:07am
Pls it's just as everybody said just put the address as plain text and we are done. that cant be illegal right?
» cmertb on December 4th, 2013, 8:07am
Here are the stats for visits to the site of one of my groups (the smallest one).
This means pretty much the death of most scanlator web sites (and of MU as well). Scanlators will be working for Mangafox, Mangareader etc even more than in the past. It's a huge win for online readers. Do I want to continue scanlating in this environment? I'm not sure anymore.
This means pretty much the death of most scanlator web sites (and of MU as well). Scanlators will be working for Mangafox, Mangareader etc even more than in the past. It's a huge win for online readers. Do I want to continue scanlating in this environment? I'm not sure anymore.
» 90tables on December 4th, 2013, 8:32am
Maybe you could make a twitter and add it to your MU page and link your site in your profile information? Better than nothing. This is worrying 
» licorice on December 4th, 2013, 8:35am
Its reason for existing has not disappeared. We tell our readers there are alternative ways to obtain our scanlations other than aggregators, but their ignorance and/or laziness could be beginning of the end, not MU's fault.
» PROzess on December 4th, 2013, 9:50am
Why even bother going on?
All hope is lost.
MU was our last fortress.
Or we just go to the superior Mangafox.
Saves you the 1-2 steps to search in google.
Much more convenient.
All hope is lost.
MU was our last fortress.
Or we just go to the superior Mangafox.
Saves you the 1-2 steps to search in google.
Much more convenient.
» kainord on December 4th, 2013, 10:07am
Quote from PROzess
Why even bother going on?
All hope is lost.
MU was our last fortress.
Or we just go to the superior Mangafox.
Saves you the 1-2 steps to search in google.
Much more convenient.
All hope is lost.
MU was our last fortress.
Or we just go to the superior Mangafox.
Saves you the 1-2 steps to search in google.
Much more convenient.
You are right, if you want missing pages, broken links, out of order pages, pop-up screens for who knows what.
» PROzess on December 4th, 2013, 10:09am
>2013
>still getting pop-ups
Oh boy...
It certainly isnt bad as you make it out to be.
Anyway, we have no other choice but to rely on big online readers like Mangafox/Mangahere etc,
because of their "I dont give a fuck" policy of DMCA.
>still getting pop-ups
Oh boy...
It certainly isnt bad as you make it out to be.
Anyway, we have no other choice but to rely on big online readers like Mangafox/Mangahere etc,
because of their "I dont give a fuck" policy of DMCA.
» connerity on December 4th, 2013, 10:15am
Quote from kainord
You are right, if you want missing pages, broken links, out of order pages, pop-up screens for who knows what.
You forgot the watermarks x)
» babel on December 4th, 2013, 4:05pm
If not for the online readers raking in the cash in full view of the original publishers, I doubt that this would have ever happened. The only thing the morons who targeted this site will achieve is to push more business their way, and I have to wonder if this was not the intended purpose, or are the servers of the notice just that blind?. I'll never read a scanlation on Mangafox, Mangahere or any of those scummy sites.
» Mizuyuki on December 4th, 2013, 8:24am
so what's next? removal of groups/scanlators name?
» licorice on December 4th, 2013, 8:42am
Another user posted this earlier. Re-adding for the lazy: http://www.chillingeffects.org/linking/faq.cgi
Maybe we should the servers to Canada...
Maybe we should the servers to Canada...
» GuttedGnome on December 4th, 2013, 9:46am
Quote from TKS
Another user posted this earlier. Re-adding for the lazy: http://www.chillingeffects.org/linking/faq.cgi
Maybe we should the servers to Canada...
Maybe we should the servers to Canada...
Well, that's the issue, linking to the homepage of a scanlator group is as much copyright infringement as linking to Google or even The Pirate Bay homepage. Whoever sent that DMCA notice couldn't hold their ground in any serious law abiding court.
Now, if it was a link (hot, hyper or magnet linking etc) directly to an infringing file that's obviously different.
» yasew on December 4th, 2013, 8:43am
MU without Group Links = Like Plant without root.
Move server to Asia >Ignore DMCA
Move server to Asia >Ignore DMCA
» Reyalsdog on December 4th, 2013, 8:50am
Make some add-on for browsers which will add links for sites on client PC. Like
https://github.com/MilesWilford/MangaUpdatesImprover
https://github.com/MilesWilford/MangaUpdatesImprover
» maskokot on December 4th, 2013, 9:11am
I Just started to work on solution for "Group Links Removed" problem only:
On Release page, it adds LINK next to group link that does Google search for you in new page.
I came up with this in like 5 min. It works for Opera as User JavaScript.
// ==UserScript==
// @name Add Group Links
// @include http://www.mangaupdates.com/releases.html*
// ==/UserScript==
(function (){
for (var i = 0; document.links[i]; i++)
{
if (document.links[i].title == 'Group Info')
{
// change the link
var a = document.createElement('a');
a.title = document.links[i].innerHTML + "Link";
a.innerText = "LINK";
a.target = "_blank";
a.href = "http://www.google.com/search?q=" + encodeURIComponent(document.links[i].innerHTML +" manga group");
document.links[i].parentNode.appendChild(document.createTextNo de (" "));
document.links[i].parentNode.appendChild(a);
}
}
})()
On Release page, it adds LINK next to group link that does Google search for you in new page.
I came up with this in like 5 min. It works for Opera as User JavaScript.
// ==UserScript==
// @name Add Group Links
// @include http://www.mangaupdates.com/releases.html*
// ==/UserScript==
(function (){
for (var i = 0; document.links[i]; i++)
{
if (document.links[i].title == 'Group Info')
{
// change the link
var a = document.createElement('a');
a.title = document.links[i].innerHTML + "Link";
a.innerText = "LINK";
a.target = "_blank";
a.href = "http://www.google.com/search?q=" + encodeURIComponent(document.links[i].innerHTML +" manga group");
document.links[i].parentNode.appendChild(document.createTextNo de (" "));
document.links[i].parentNode.appendChild(a);
}
}
})()
» iceaco on December 4th, 2013, 9:13am
You guys who said 'I will not visit MU anymore and will visit website X instead' are pretty much listing possible suspects o_O
» kainord on December 4th, 2013, 9:38am
Until mangaupdates continues to maintain it's database and refresh the releases nothing is lost. If we can see which group released what, we can track the group trough 1 or 2 steps with a search engine.
» Unknown on December 4th, 2013, 9:55am
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» Kitsame on December 4th, 2013, 10:12am
And then what-wait a few months till they remove releases tab altogether because they will get another notice?
MU is at fault here since they allowed to get bullied for no reason.
Show me the law where hot-linking other sites is forbidden.This is retarded and even guys who sent DMCA know it.
MU is at fault here since they allowed to get bullied for no reason.
Show me the law where hot-linking other sites is forbidden.This is retarded and even guys who sent DMCA know it.
» licorice on December 4th, 2013, 10:15am
A user up above linked to an FAQ that explains why hyperlinking can be illegal. Go read it.
» kainord on December 4th, 2013, 10:13am
i don't use ad blockers or any addons in my browsers so yeah sometimes i get those things. And you got it right, they don't give a damn about that.
@ Kitsame, now that DMCA i want to read, because they don't have any justified reason now. They could have only the "linking" to sites as a reason, but they lost that. This forum dosent provide anything else now. Searching i only found DMCA letter against Mangaupdates.org
@ Kitsame, now that DMCA i want to read, because they don't have any justified reason now. They could have only the "linking" to sites as a reason, but they lost that. This forum dosent provide anything else now. Searching i only found DMCA letter against Mangaupdates.org
» Anabiotic_Pineapple on December 4th, 2013, 10:17am
It sounds like you guys think MU has a ton of money to fight against stuff like this. It'd be nice if they gave scanlator sites in plain text, but they aren't. I will continue to use this site, maybe things will get better. In the meantime, there are search engines for group websites.
It was nice having everything on one site, but ultimately, it's a first world problem.
It was nice having everything on one site, but ultimately, it's a first world problem.
» licorice on December 4th, 2013, 10:24am
Quote from Anabiotic_Pineapple
It was nice having everything on one site, but ultimately, it's a first world problem.
Sad but true.
» 7godeohs on December 4th, 2013, 10:46am
Quote from Anabiotic_Pineapple
It sounds like you guys think MU has a ton of money to fight against stuff like this. .. It was nice having everything on one site, but ultimately, it's a first world problem.
100% true.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but some of the comments here are pretty damn selfish. You want MU to put up some sort of legal battle just to allow hyperlinks again, instead of a two-step Google search.
Now, if you think this is just a slippery slope to the'beginning of the end' then that's fine - do something about it. Put your money where your mouth is and start a MU legal fund with Paypal donations for things like this in the future. Make your own site with whatever you want on it, ignore DMCA takedown requests and do your own thing.
This is a free site, which aggregates tons of freely acquired information from users, that allows you to search for and locate free digital downloads of manga titles that others pay for and have spent countless hours cleaning, redrawing, translating, typesetting - purely for the love of the manga. Suck it up and be happy for what you currently have.
» makoz on December 4th, 2013, 12:33pm
So true. In the world of DMCA, only having links removed is such a small price to pay to keep the site alive (there are more drastic approach that would have been more painful to us as readers). Seeing the latest releases and being able to track what I read are still the most important features to me.
» Recaro on December 4th, 2013, 10:20am
What about linking to a website that links to the scanlator's website?
» imercenary on December 4th, 2013, 11:14am
Bullshit
» ginx2666 on December 4th, 2013, 11:32am
Who issued DMCA? If you can't give straight answer, just give vague one, like "streaming site", or "English publisher". I just won't purchase any releases in future, and browse the former with every piece of script/ad blocker possible, and pirate out of spite.
If not for fan translations that created Western fanbase, they'd have no business in the first place, so they could show some fucking restraint and respect.
If not for fan translations that created Western fanbase, they'd have no business in the first place, so they could show some fucking restraint and respect.
» Karuna on December 4th, 2013, 11:55am
This is very unjust!
Why mangaupdates that doesn't earn anything for what they do and not the reading sites that earn money and even have published works in english there?
They should go for them and not for this site.
And if they keep doing this it'll only affect negatively to them.
At last I think so, because if sites like mangaupdates or scanlators didn't exist I wouldn't be buying manga. And more importantly I wouldn't be buying manga in english since my native language is spanish and without sites like this one, I wouldn't have gotten used to read in english.
I don't understand why they do these things, if mangaupdates or scanlators weren't there I'm sure that japan wouldn't sell as much as manga internationally as it does now, because I at last wouldn't buy a thing I don't understand, but if I read it in english and I like it I would buy it in japanese to support the author, and the same in english, if I liked a manga I read and they publish it I'd buy it too, and I'm sure most of people do that.
Why don't they see that the ones who are reading manga now from the scanlators will be the ones that will buy manga to them in the future?
They are selling to fans and mangaupdates is were most of fans gather to give their opinions about their preferences, about if they like this or if they don't, this site could even be their market research are they blind?
I'm sorry for this long post but I got pretty mad .
Why mangaupdates that doesn't earn anything for what they do and not the reading sites that earn money and even have published works in english there?
They should go for them and not for this site.
And if they keep doing this it'll only affect negatively to them.
At last I think so, because if sites like mangaupdates or scanlators didn't exist I wouldn't be buying manga. And more importantly I wouldn't be buying manga in english since my native language is spanish and without sites like this one, I wouldn't have gotten used to read in english.
I don't understand why they do these things, if mangaupdates or scanlators weren't there I'm sure that japan wouldn't sell as much as manga internationally as it does now, because I at last wouldn't buy a thing I don't understand, but if I read it in english and I like it I would buy it in japanese to support the author, and the same in english, if I liked a manga I read and they publish it I'd buy it too, and I'm sure most of people do that.
Why don't they see that the ones who are reading manga now from the scanlators will be the ones that will buy manga to them in the future?
They are selling to fans and mangaupdates is were most of fans gather to give their opinions about their preferences, about if they like this or if they don't, this site could even be their market research are they blind?
I'm sorry for this long post but I got pretty mad
.» Chayto on December 4th, 2013, 11:56am
Would be awesome to find tons of "illegaly downloaded" stuff on the DMCA's "creators" PC or Laptop and shove the claim right there, you know where.
Anyway, lets stop the bitching, that's how life is and we gotta deal with it.
Anyway, lets stop the bitching, that's how life is and we gotta deal with it.
» RilleL on December 4th, 2013, 12:10pm
I honestly think that this DMCA claim may not be valid, but until then, are we allowed to ask for scanlator sites in the forum?
A lot of these scanlators are quite small and even with google it's not convenient to find them.
I really believe lambchopsil and Manick needs to triple check this because more than anything this past year(s), this change could mean the deathblow to this website.
I would really suck if some third party DMCA copyright troll would bring down a whole community.
Edit: Actually, if you're reading this lamb/Manick, can we seriously consider making it a requirement (or strongly encourage) scanlating groups to have a facebook or twitter account?
At least that way we would have something to click.
They could then link their website/blog themselves.
A lot of these scanlators are quite small and even with google it's not convenient to find them.
I really believe lambchopsil and Manick needs to triple check this because more than anything this past year(s), this change could mean the deathblow to this website.
I would really suck if some third party DMCA copyright troll would bring down a whole community.
Edit: Actually, if you're reading this lamb/Manick, can we seriously consider making it a requirement (or strongly encourage) scanlating groups to have a facebook or twitter account?
At least that way we would have something to click.
They could then link their website/blog themselves.
» cmertb on December 4th, 2013, 12:45pm
As far as I know, a DMCA takedown request needs to provide specific links to be removed (that presumably point to copyrighted content). They can't possibly demand the takedown of all links to groups, without regard for whether those links contain anything copyrighted, and if they themselves hold that specific copyright. So this whole story smells of BS.
» ginx2666 on December 4th, 2013, 12:57pm
Quote from cmertb
As far as I know, a DMCA takedown request needs to provide specific links to be removed (that presumably point to copyrighted content). They can't possibly demand the takedown of all links to groups, without regard for whether those links contain anything copyrighted, and if they themselves hold tha ...
This whole case stinks. MU staff refuses to answer who issued takedown request, and its content. It's either gag order (I doubt it, not many companies have enough power to buy courts to do that), or MU staff is too scared to do anything.
I smell bullshit.
» Vicis on December 4th, 2013, 1:00pm
Don't worry guys.
Even asking mu to remove the links to the websites is pushing it. I doubt it would stand up in court. There's little to no chance they can do anything to shut this wonderful website down.
Would be nice if MU told us who sent the DMCA so we could go give them a piece of our mind. I bet it's Crunchuroll. With it's god awful translators.
Even asking mu to remove the links to the websites is pushing it. I doubt it would stand up in court. There's little to no chance they can do anything to shut this wonderful website down.
Would be nice if MU told us who sent the DMCA so we could go give them a piece of our mind. I bet it's Crunchuroll. With it's god awful translators.
» myrt on December 4th, 2013, 1:22pm
T__T I didn't even realise how much I relied on those links until they were gone.
» Hermaphrodite on December 4th, 2013, 1:28pm
How can linking to the page of the scans group violating DMCA? Somebody please write an essay about it
What's done is done, but this is just bullshit. Now more and more people will go to Mangafox or Online Readers to spare the hassle of google-ing for scans group's page. Nicely done.
What's done is done, but this is just bullshit. Now more and more people will go to Mangafox or Online Readers to spare the hassle of google-ing for scans group's page. Nicely done.
» Reyalsdog on December 4th, 2013, 1:37pm
Some kind anon fixed everything.
https://github.com/loadletter/mangaupdates-urlfix
https://github.com/loadletter/mangaupdates-urlfix
» Kaitentsuki on December 4th, 2013, 1:40pm
Thank the lords for anons.
» ginx2666 on December 4th, 2013, 1:46pm
Crunchytroll: 0
MU: 0
Community: 1
MU: 0
Community: 1
» coa88 on December 4th, 2013, 2:01pm
Yes, works beautifully. You would have to manually add new groups or change address of existing ones but it still great to have this. Kudos for whoever solved the problem this quickly.
» cmertb on December 4th, 2013, 2:49pm
Quote from Reyalsdog
Some kind anon fixed everything.
https://github.com/loadletter/mangaupdates-urlfix
https://github.com/loadletter/mangaupdates-urlfix
It may work for now, but it's not a viable long term solution since URLs are hard-coded.
» Reyalsdog on December 4th, 2013, 3:01pm
You can add/change sites yourself. Open it in notepad or something, and add at the end new line. Or you can change main script at site, so everyone just update with new file.
» Mizuyuki on December 4th, 2013, 5:19pm
thank you based anon
» tart on December 4th, 2013, 9:42pm
Quote from Reyalsdog
Some kind anon fixed everything.
https://github.com/loadletter/mangaupdates-urlfix
https://github.com/loadletter/mangaupdates-urlfix
Why not create a separate thread for this so more people can see it before it's completely lost in the thread?
» Geese1 on December 4th, 2013, 2:39pm
Quote
Some kind anon fixed everything.
https://github.com/loadletter/mangaupdates-urlfix
https://github.com/loadletter/mangaupdates-urlfix
How do you get this to work? I usually use Chrome, but I also have Firefox on my computers and I'm unsure how to run this.
[Edit] Never mind, got it to work and it's great! Hopefully this can be continually updated as new groups are added and/or have their information updated.
» ginx2666 on December 4th, 2013, 2:48pm
On FF you have to install Greasemonkey plugin, and then install this script. That's it.
» 668 on December 4th, 2013, 2:56pm
thank god this works great i just hope the DMCA is a face and all the links will return.
» RilleL on December 4th, 2013, 2:58pm
Quote from Geese1
How do you get this to work? I usually use Chrome, but I also have Firefox on my computers and I'm unsure how to run this.
[Edit] Never mind, got it to work and it's great! Hopefully this can be continually updated as new groups are added and/or have their information updated.
[Edit] Never mind, got it to work and it's great! Hopefully this can be continually updated as new groups are added and/or have their information updated.
http://xkcd.com/979/
Anyway, it works fine for now. Crisis averted temporarily, though it's obviously not a long term solution unless the script is updated semi-regularly.
» Transdude1996 on December 4th, 2013, 3:10pm
» rincewind1990 on December 4th, 2013, 3:16pm
lol, gotta love xkcd. If anyones wondering how to get it to work in chrome open up your extensions page (Ctrl+H and then click on extensions on the right) and drag the file onto the page.
» T1 on December 4th, 2013, 2:56pm
So this is a question to the MODs...yes you too, lamb. Did you in any way reply back to mail you got? Like going: "That's totally cool that you come after us when we do not host anything and only provide information....kinda like piratebay but without any torrents or downloads. So we are less illegal than them. In return let me ask you: Do you go after mangareader, mangahere or mangafox who actually are earning money on having readers read on their online readers through ads? Mangafox is owned by someone called NOEZ in china, which is a company that later made counterfeitshop called Otakushop, three illegal online games: Pocket ninja, pocket pirate and some other new one which I don't remember? Probably not, you decided to let the criminals alone and go after us who are just giving people information. Please answer, and we will take the required step after giving a sensible answer on how you deal with the real criminals."
So did you?
Anyway it's kinda cool. I'm not gonna make a twitter or facebook crap for my group...the users and the online readers can find it themselves. Kinda really tired of doing extra shit just cuz the leechers are too tired to do it like how we did it before mangaupdates and manganews and mangajouhou
So did you?
Anyway it's kinda cool. I'm not gonna make a twitter or facebook crap for my group...the users and the online readers can find it themselves. Kinda really tired of doing extra shit just cuz the leechers are too tired to do it like how we did it before mangaupdates and manganews and mangajouhou
» Transdude1996 on December 4th, 2013, 3:17pm
Believe it or not, but a lot of places and people receive notices because the higher-ups know that they will abide by them. It's like how my family is receiving calls from Wells Fargo literally every day, with them asking when we're going to pay the mortgage when it isn't due for another week, and then some even after we pay. On a few occasions, my parents have actually asked them "Why are you guys pestering us for money instead of going after the people who don't pay their mortgage, yet still live in the house?"
They send notices and pester a lot of people because they know that they will follow the rules.
They send notices and pester a lot of people because they know that they will follow the rules.
» T1 on December 5th, 2013, 4:06am
aye but that still doesn't mean that you should take it by being silent. I like that your parents actually asked them and probably also got an answer. I'm asking if mangaupdates has done the same. We aren't told who asked for it just that it was told to them by mail. I've gotten a trillion mails telling me that I either won, they want to share or that I have to pay money to them. It doesn't mean that I do what they ask me to do. Instead I ask the question: "why?".
In this case I just wanna know if they redirected the whoever sent them that mail to NOEZ company or mangareader...if you remove the online readers then 90% of the availability of the manga on the internet will be gone. Instead of just asking them, it's better to put them in jail to make an example of them. The scanlation groups themselves aren't really earning as much and they aren't all over the place making everything available to everyone.
Also let's not forget Google. When you do a search on a manga or just write manga then the first 50 searches (at least) are mangafox, mangahere, mangareader, and so on...
They are actually distributing information about these illegal sites but are Google being stopped in doing that? Noooo, only mangaupdates are going to get the axe...
So whichever idiot is doing this, he's doing it wrong. Go through the right channels to stop this...not through something that makes people seek manga through Google and help those online readers earn money.
In this case I just wanna know if they redirected the whoever sent them that mail to NOEZ company or mangareader...if you remove the online readers then 90% of the availability of the manga on the internet will be gone. Instead of just asking them, it's better to put them in jail to make an example of them. The scanlation groups themselves aren't really earning as much and they aren't all over the place making everything available to everyone.
Also let's not forget Google. When you do a search on a manga or just write manga then the first 50 searches (at least) are mangafox, mangahere, mangareader, and so on...
They are actually distributing information about these illegal sites but are Google being stopped in doing that? Noooo, only mangaupdates are going to get the axe...
So whichever idiot is doing this, he's doing it wrong. Go through the right channels to stop this...not through something that makes people seek manga through Google and help those online readers earn money.
» coa88 on December 4th, 2013, 3:10pm
» coa88 on December 4th, 2013, 3:28pm
Found a few others like this.
http://www.mangaupdates.com/groups.html?id=1355
http://www.mangaupdates.com/groups.html?id=1866
http://www.mangaupdates.com/groups.html?id=2204
http://www.mangaupdates.com/groups.html?id=3798
Appears it's this way for groups that had only forum link listed on mu. All of this has to be hand-corrected
http://www.mangaupdates.com/groups.html?id=1355
http://www.mangaupdates.com/groups.html?id=1866
http://www.mangaupdates.com/groups.html?id=2204
http://www.mangaupdates.com/groups.html?id=3798
Appears it's this way for groups that had only forum link listed on mu. All of this has to be hand-corrected
» licorice on December 4th, 2013, 3:37pm
Uhh, this isn't a support forum for that script.
» coa88 on December 4th, 2013, 4:04pm
Quote from TKS
Uhh, this isn't a support forum for that script.
No one was asking for support. I corrected the data that I could find. Thank you Google cache!
Few groups remain that didn't have site or forum link on mu.
Spoiler (mouse over to view)
http://www.filedropper.com/mangaupdatesgroupuser
» Geese1 on December 4th, 2013, 6:18pm
Thanks for the updated script!
» kuroneko003 on December 4th, 2013, 3:49pm
Just to add my two cents. What actually comes up when you Google a release? It isn't a link to the scanlation group or the legitimate license holder. Rather it's pages and pages of links to the various manga aggregators. So... if this was a request from an actual license holder, this is doing the opposite of what they meant. Rather instead this only helps drive traffic to the manga aggregators.
» slyborg on December 4th, 2013, 3:55pm
M-U is probably the most comprehensive repository of historical series information out there, and I've thought for some time that it would be a great misfortune if it were lost. Is there any possibility of getting some kind of SQL dump and schema for the database? One simple solution to this issue is for someone to host this data outside the US.
I can't really fault B-U for doing this given that it's likely they do this without a budget, but it really hurts the utility of the site imho, and I don't think the draconian action taken was necessary. As noted by others, the DMCA has to identify specific infringing content. They could have disabled the links indicated.
I can't really fault B-U for doing this given that it's likely they do this without a budget, but it really hurts the utility of the site imho, and I don't think the draconian action taken was necessary. As noted by others, the DMCA has to identify specific infringing content. They could have disabled the links indicated.
» ginx2666 on December 4th, 2013, 4:21pm
If you want to easily read new titles without letting streaming sites reap benefits from ads, use batch downloaders like Free Manga Downloader.
It's a tool, not a repository, so I doubt that's illegal.
It harms streaming sites, it harms translators, it is inconvenient... But hey, that's what everyone wanted, right?
It's a tool, not a repository, so I doubt that's illegal.
It harms streaming sites, it harms translators, it is inconvenient... But hey, that's what everyone wanted, right?
» djmaca on December 4th, 2013, 7:06pm
No one is saying that. They like MU because it's a centralized hub for news of what's the latest releases(then the people either reads it in their fave streaming sites or download it directly from the scanlation team's website).
I mainly use it to track all the series I am currently following. It will be a bit bothersome now without the links(I have to google a bit and add the site to my fave) but we'll adapt, eventually.
I mainly use it to track all the series I am currently following. It will be a bit bothersome now without the links(I have to google a bit and add the site to my fave) but we'll adapt, eventually.
» hiei_luke on December 4th, 2013, 5:46pm
With all these DMCA notices, all I can say is they're just BS.. That's what we called, capitalism & monopolism..
Sigh~
Sigh~
» retro123 on December 4th, 2013, 5:51pm
Why wont you show us the DMCA Notice?
» jedinat on December 4th, 2013, 6:34pm
As has been said, put the links back as text.... Or go down in flames. Better than castrating yourself.
» tactics on December 4th, 2013, 6:44pm
...do we have the links back?!
[Edit] - Nope. Just ignore me. I realise what's going on now herp derp.
[Edit] - Nope. Just ignore me. I realise what's going on now herp derp.
» AquarianDemocrat on December 4th, 2013, 6:49pm
Return the links as text. This is the only correct solution, not bowing to a DMCA with no standing, carelessly levied to take advantage of your lack of financial resources. This is a legitimate workaround, and since they have no moral standing, let alone legal standing, there should be no objections with this solution?
» D_P on December 4th, 2013, 6:56pm
So what will happen next? Remove all entries for adult manga here?
» djmaca on December 4th, 2013, 7:01pm
This is just an elaborate ruse by MU. What for? That's because MU staff wants to shut down the site permanently because of REASONS(like "I'm tired of this already.").
For one thing, like Pirate Bay, none of it's servers host any files that offend any laws. Two they didn't show the DMCA noticed they received. Usually when this happens, people show the notice on their sites.
So IMO I guess it's time to find another site that alerts people of new releases.
Thanks for your efforts MU all these years(4 years of college + 3 years working = 7 good years!) May the staff have a good rest from it all until they get bored and start the same site all over again(let's all hope that by then they will still be doing it for free).
Cheers.
For one thing, like Pirate Bay, none of it's servers host any files that offend any laws. Two they didn't show the DMCA noticed they received. Usually when this happens, people show the notice on their sites.
So IMO I guess it's time to find another site that alerts people of new releases.
Thanks for your efforts MU all these years(4 years of college + 3 years working = 7 good years!) May the staff have a good rest from it all until they get bored and start the same site all over again(let's all hope that by then they will still be doing it for free).
Cheers.
» lambchopsil on December 5th, 2013, 12:57am
Interesting theory, lol
Nice try though
Nice try though
» Zuan on December 4th, 2013, 7:29pm
Quote from Manick
All,
In order to quell some of the fury that occurred after our news statement about removing group links, I want to let everyone know that we are having internal discussions currently about whether there are more options available to us.
Due to imminent threats and action taken against our host and the suspension of our paypal account, we had to move quickly to ensure that MU stayed alive. While we do not believe we were contributing to infringement by providing informational and historical links to scanlator websites, we have limited recourse to strong-armed tactics used under DMCA. We are currently discussing code enhancements and policy changes to account for content owned by the organization involved as an alternative to complete removal of links from the website.
We hope to have this situation sorted out in time. Please remember that we still require active site/forum/etc in order to validate releases.
Thank you
In order to quell some of the fury that occurred after our news statement about removing group links, I want to let everyone know that we are having internal discussions currently about whether there are more options available to us.
Due to imminent threats and action taken against our host and the suspension of our paypal account, we had to move quickly to ensure that MU stayed alive. While we do not believe we were contributing to infringement by providing informational and historical links to scanlator websites, we have limited recourse to strong-armed tactics used under DMCA. We are currently discussing code enhancements and policy changes to account for content owned by the organization involved as an alternative to complete removal of links from the website.
We hope to have this situation sorted out in time. Please remember that we still require active site/forum/etc in order to validate releases.
Thank you
The update I was looking for. Thank you for the response and information.
» djmaca on December 4th, 2013, 7:36pm
Yeah but they still didn't tell us what was said in the DCMA notice.
» kitty1826x on December 4th, 2013, 7:50pm
It's a quote from Manick not Volos ...
It's a start in info that they are sharing with us. At least we know they got strong armed into doing something, and they took quick actions to try to keep the site alive. I (and most likely others) thank the staff for keeping the site going.
Since I don't really have any useful advice on their options available. I want to suggest the following posts try to be helpful to the situation, and not more expressions of our anger. ( I mean you could expression your feelings, but I think they got the point that we're upset over this hence the update.)
EDIT: Everything I have read about copyright is pretty much saying that action isn't done unless someone claims said item is not theirs ... I want to say respond to the notice asking who's saying MU is copyrighting.
Maybe check out these Copyright Infringement and Remedies
the Digital Millennium Copyright Act
Personally I think Mu hasn't violated any copyright laws, and should respond to the notice.
It's a start in info that they are sharing with us. At least we know they got strong armed into doing something, and they took quick actions to try to keep the site alive. I (and most likely others) thank the staff for keeping the site going.
Since I don't really have any useful advice on their options available. I want to suggest the following posts try to be helpful to the situation, and not more expressions of our anger. ( I mean you could expression your feelings, but I think they got the point that we're upset over this hence the update.)
EDIT: Everything I have read about copyright is pretty much saying that action isn't done unless someone claims said item is not theirs ... I want to say respond to the notice asking who's saying MU is copyrighting.
Maybe check out these Copyright Infringement and Remedies
the Digital Millennium Copyright Act
Personally I think Mu hasn't violated any copyright laws, and should respond to the notice.
» HumanoidInterface on December 4th, 2013, 7:33pm
That's the deathblow.
It's all going to be shitty online readers now.
EDIT: Manick, dump the table/column that holds the group URLs. Let someone else take responsibility for hosting the links
It's all going to be shitty online readers now.
EDIT: Manick, dump the table/column that holds the group URLs. Let someone else take responsibility for hosting the links
» buenro-olga on December 4th, 2013, 8:07pm
I fear mangaupdates is not going to be around for long now. I always wondered what would end my manga addiction and I kind of have the feeling that I just saw the future. It's too bad that an incredible site like this can be bullied so easily. And I believe 100% that once the people who bullied them saw how easy it was, they will smell blood and go for the kill. It usually happens that way.
I really love this site but I guess there's always people out there destroying the nice things in life.
I really love this site but I guess there's always people out there destroying the nice things in life.
» Chayto on December 4th, 2013, 8:26pm
Quote from buenro-olga
I fear mangaupdates is not going to be around for long now. I always wondered what would end my manga addiction and I kind of have the feeling that I just saw the future. It's too bad that an incredible site like this can be bullied so easily. And I believe 100% that once the people who bullied them ...
STAY POSITIVE DUDE, STAY POSITIVE.
» wrldtrvlr on December 4th, 2013, 10:09pm
They cannot remove this site now because they do not offer links to websites that violate the DCMA order. Also, there is manga that is not licensed in America and I believe cannot be prohibited.
» silent killer on December 4th, 2013, 10:14pm
Annoying but I have all the scanlator groups websites saved in my bookmarks that I read from already. So just tell me when and who and I'll be okay.
» fishiiie on December 4th, 2013, 10:23pm
This makes me so sad! Fricken DMCA... *shakes fist*
Live on, MU, please live on... :'(
Live on, MU, please live on... :'(
» maskokot on December 4th, 2013, 10:53pm
There is some advice about how to fight DMCA:
http://www.durangobill.com/Fight_DMCA_Abuse.html
But you should contact a lawyer if its out of your budget then ask community for help. There has to be a good lawyer among us.
I like that you took the links down right away and then look for long term solution.
YOU WILL PULL THROUGH I HAVE FAITH IN YOU!
http://www.durangobill.com/Fight_DMCA_Abuse.html
But you should contact a lawyer if its out of your budget then ask community for help. There has to be a good lawyer among us.
I like that you took the links down right away and then look for long term solution.
YOU WILL PULL THROUGH I HAVE FAITH IN YOU!
» socru on December 5th, 2013, 3:48am
http://torrentfreak.com/
This website provides legal advice and media coverage to help websites hit with abusive DCMA notices. I suggest someone to contact them and tell them all this story. I could do it myself, if you want me. They fight abusive DCMA in courts, and public opinion likes them very much. They could blow this story up and scare your copyright troll.
They even fought PayPal and Amazon in the past, and they are not intimidated easily.
I know fighting back is not an option for you, but copywrong holders will eat your entire hand if you give them one finger, and someone should stand up to them.
Again, http://torrentfreak.com/ has very good legal advisers. Please consider at least informing them about this case. Socru.
This website provides legal advice and media coverage to help websites hit with abusive DCMA notices. I suggest someone to contact them and tell them all this story. I could do it myself, if you want me. They fight abusive DCMA in courts, and public opinion likes them very much. They could blow this story up and scare your copyright troll.
They even fought PayPal and Amazon in the past, and they are not intimidated easily.
I know fighting back is not an option for you, but copywrong holders will eat your entire hand if you give them one finger, and someone should stand up to them.
Again, http://torrentfreak.com/ has very good legal advisers. Please consider at least informing them about this case. Socru.
» duskyderp on December 5th, 2013, 4:35am
I still think this is legally unjust. What organization filed, the dmca? Legally speaking you have a right to know whom filed the dmca against you, you have the right to counter appeal as manga updates is not a search engine among other arguments you could make, you also have the right to know what organization is having another organization file agaist you--literally you can say the freezing of assets is a violation of due process if the legal company did not read you ur civil maranda rights.
So i ask again what organization filed it?
Also i am really pissed you guy took away both especailly b/c less than 30% of the internet population use twitter and facebook. This due to cultural differencrs and the changes in availability of social media to the world. (Its become less socially available not more in the last 5 years.
,,
I feel like loosing links spells the death of mu,, q-q Q -Q
So i ask again what organization filed it?
Also i am really pissed you guy took away both especailly b/c less than 30% of the internet population use twitter and facebook. This due to cultural differencrs and the changes in availability of social media to the world. (Its become less socially available not more in the last 5 years.
,,
I feel like loosing links spells the death of mu,, q-q Q -Q
» Ikari on December 5th, 2013, 4:59am
I don't think there's anything wrong if you publicly post the DMCA letter or at least state which company sent it.
I mean I'm sorry, manga-updates is hardly the main problem companies face, they should first try to take down various online readers such as mangafox (which has proven difficult).
I mean I'm sorry, manga-updates is hardly the main problem companies face, they should first try to take down various online readers such as mangafox (which has proven difficult).
» _xyz_ on December 5th, 2013, 5:34am
What about linking to Google Search with something like:
https://www.google.com/search?q=[Name of Scanlation Group]
Wouldn't this be a good alternative? No Copy and Paste. Or is this "illegal", too?
https://www.google.com/search?q=[Name of Scanlation Group]
Wouldn't this be a good alternative? No Copy and Paste. Or is this "illegal", too?
» HumanoidInterface on December 5th, 2013, 6:08am
Quote from _xyz_
What about linking to Google Search with something like:
https://www.google.com/search?q=[Name of Scanlation Group]
Wouldn't this be a good alternative? No Copy and Paste. Or is this "illegal", too?
https://www.google.com/search?q=[Name of Scanlation Group]
Wouldn't this be a good alternative? No Copy and Paste. Or is this "illegal", too?
Several reasons why this would be useless, the most prevalent of which is that new groups would not show up on google searches for a while (if they don't use blogspot).
» taraian on December 5th, 2013, 7:23am
k i get it u guys had to removed links ,but can we post link address at comment ?
» Otakkun on December 5th, 2013, 7:34am
Damned.
» p00k on December 5th, 2013, 7:49am
wait, so let me get this straight. posting a link to websites violates the dmca. posting links to facebook doesnt? because facebook isn't a website?
or is it the facebook site isn't the one that has the objectionable content on it? it simply has links to the objectionable content. so a link to content is bad, a link to a link to content is ok?
but then by that argument people who use a 3rd party file host, sendspace/mediafire/etc, are in the clear? alternatively if you use a link redirecting service, in theory isn't that ok as well?
oh dmca nazis, logic was never your strong point, huh?
or is it the facebook site isn't the one that has the objectionable content on it? it simply has links to the objectionable content. so a link to content is bad, a link to a link to content is ok?
but then by that argument people who use a 3rd party file host, sendspace/mediafire/etc, are in the clear? alternatively if you use a link redirecting service, in theory isn't that ok as well?
oh dmca nazis, logic was never your strong point, huh?
» JohnSteel on December 5th, 2013, 8:34am
Policy changes? Link removal? You might as well just shut down this site. Do NOT comply with this. It is illegal. They would not dare to DCMA Google, so they are targeting you instead. Your response should be to file an ethics complaint against their lawyer and let the public know what company is behind it.
Seriously, file an ethics complaint against the lawyer who sent it. They would not dare to go after Facebook, Twitter, Google because they know that they are wrong.
Your cowardly actions just put a target on this site. Now companies know that they can push you around. Bullies target the weak, and you just told every DCMA bully that you are weak. Instead contact organizations like the Electronic Frontier Foundation to help you.
Seriously, file an ethics complaint against the lawyer who sent it. They would not dare to go after Facebook, Twitter, Google because they know that they are wrong.
Your cowardly actions just put a target on this site. Now companies know that they can push you around. Bullies target the weak, and you just told every DCMA bully that you are weak. Instead contact organizations like the Electronic Frontier Foundation to help you.
» kitty1826x on December 5th, 2013, 8:57am
If you read the Group Links Update you would have read that they were strong armed into doing something in order to keep the site running.
Now the difference between Fb, Twitter, and Google is they have money. Where as this site runs off donations. Plus Google does try to stop piracy by taking off websites that have had too many notices off the search page. ( You can google how they are trying to stop piracy from popping up on search, and how they have gotten plenty of copyright suits ).
Honestly something no one has mentioned before is that with the group links being up it is most likely is contributory copyright infringement. [ Which is the other form of indirect infringement, contributory infringement, requires (1) knowledge of the infringing activity and (2) a material contribution -- actual assistance or inducement -- to the alleged piracy.] <- definition from some page about copyright.
Why is the DCMA after Secondary liability sites who knows. Maybe they are treating it as a Vicarious Liability case.
But this whole this is just a mess of gray, and should be fought against.
Now the difference between Fb, Twitter, and Google is they have money. Where as this site runs off donations. Plus Google does try to stop piracy by taking off websites that have had too many notices off the search page. ( You can google how they are trying to stop piracy from popping up on search, and how they have gotten plenty of copyright suits ).
Honestly something no one has mentioned before is that with the group links being up it is most likely is contributory copyright infringement. [ Which is the other form of indirect infringement, contributory infringement, requires (1) knowledge of the infringing activity and (2) a material contribution -- actual assistance or inducement -- to the alleged piracy.] <- definition from some page about copyright.
Why is the DCMA after Secondary liability sites who knows. Maybe they are treating it as a Vicarious Liability case.
But this whole this is just a mess of gray, and should be fought against.
» imercenary on December 5th, 2013, 9:20am
Nobody mentioned it because theres no legal precedent. The dmca has never gone to court over secondary or teritary webaites and nearly every legal expert admits it wouldnt hold up cause it would destroy the internet.
Its a bullshit law that cant be killed because tou literally need millions of dollars and years of litigation or judicial action to fix.
Its a bullshit law that cant be killed because tou literally need millions of dollars and years of litigation or judicial action to fix.
» TheQwertiest on December 5th, 2013, 9:59am
Precedent or not, but, as we can see from the quote "Due to imminent threats and action taken against our host and the suspension of our paypal account", they CAN affect secondary websites even w\o court :\
» imercenary on December 5th, 2013, 10:34am
They CAN affect secondary websites, but its a bullshit move with no end in sight. You literally cannot defend yourself against DMCA claims because they don't stand and fight. All they do is run away while you bleed out and the public buys into the belief that secondary websites are in the wrong cause the courts never side with them (on account of the fact that no case has ever gone to court).
Its catch-22. Fight it and you'll never win unless you're a billionaire (in which case they won't DMCA you in the first place in fear that you'd actually bring them to court). Or give up (do what they want) and lose by default.
Its catch-22. Fight it and you'll never win unless you're a billionaire (in which case they won't DMCA you in the first place in fear that you'd actually bring them to court). Or give up (do what they want) and lose by default.
» Transdude1996 on December 5th, 2013, 4:05pm
I was about to say, "Then let's look into getting the money needed", but then I remembered (besides the fact it'd run most likely on donations, and it's currently the holidays aotm) that in the US these days, you can get a judge to rule in anyones favor as long as you either pay them enough and/or get a biased enough judge.
» T1 on December 5th, 2013, 10:01am
Quote from Kitty18dnsz
If you read the Group Links Update you would have read that they were strong armed into doing something in order to keep the site running.
Now the difference between Fb, Twitter, and Google is they have money. Where as this site runs off donations. Plus Google does try to stop piracy by taking off ...
Now the difference between Fb, Twitter, and Google is they have money. Where as this site runs off donations. Plus Google does try to stop piracy by taking off ...
Lies. Cuz I keep seeing the online readers popping up on my searches when I search for a title on google. It's annoying cuz I'm not looking for where to read it and they keep showing that to me. So how come you don't get those search results while I get spammed by results mangahere, mangareader etcetc?
So LIAR!
http://oi39.tinypic.com/33csuqf.jpg
Before someone calls me a liar! lol
» Unknown on December 5th, 2013, 10:14am
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» kitty1826x on December 5th, 2013, 10:18am
I never said how well it works
Hey if your interested you can always read How Google Fights Piracy. I skimmed but I believe in page 13 they stated they relay more on claims of copyright to block those searches. ( Which may be why the reader sites still pop up. Who's claiming the works?)
You called me a lair.
Edit: someone pointed out the link is broken. just copy and paste the below on Google. It's the 1st one.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwxyRPFduTN2dVFqYml5UENU eUE/edit
Hey if your interested you can always read How Google Fights Piracy. I skimmed but I believe in page 13 they stated they relay more on claims of copyright to block those searches. ( Which may be why the reader sites still pop up. Who's claiming the works?)
You called me a lair. Edit: someone pointed out the link is broken. just copy and paste the below on Google. It's the 1st one.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwxyRPFduTN2dVFqYml5UENU eUE/edit
» T1 on December 5th, 2013, 10:36am
Exactly. I totally agree with that, it's what they are saying but not doing.
They've known about manga scanlations for a long time. It would be very weird that Viz, Tokyopop, DarkHorse, etcetc never told them to remove those sites from Google searches. If Google did their job, I don't think we would have to see something like this today. Of course don't think that the japanese company are sending anything to Google.
There's only one guy I know of who's actively doing something his stuff ending on the net. His stuff is taken down very fast too. Like 1-2 days after it's up. The rest could do the same. Though it's the big firms in Japan that needs to take this step.
Chrunchyroll should first start with Google and have them remove the titles they are licensing or rather just tell them to remove those sites from the search results. Google got a filter, just use it.
I don't use mangaupdates to find releases as much as the titles. Ordering them from Japan after knowing what they are about or the genres or the cover...well mu helps me sorting that out. So that would be a loss...
...and that is the weird thing about it. Why aren't they removing the whole site when they can see that the link it from that site?
It makes no sense. I'm cutting the branch cuz the tree is rotten....
They've known about manga scanlations for a long time. It would be very weird that Viz, Tokyopop, DarkHorse, etcetc never told them to remove those sites from Google searches. If Google did their job, I don't think we would have to see something like this today. Of course don't think that the japanese company are sending anything to Google.
There's only one guy I know of who's actively doing something his stuff ending on the net. His stuff is taken down very fast too. Like 1-2 days after it's up. The rest could do the same. Though it's the big firms in Japan that needs to take this step.
Chrunchyroll should first start with Google and have them remove the titles they are licensing or rather just tell them to remove those sites from the search results. Google got a filter, just use it.
I don't use mangaupdates to find releases as much as the titles. Ordering them from Japan after knowing what they are about or the genres or the cover...well mu helps me sorting that out. So that would be a loss...
...and that is the weird thing about it. Why aren't they removing the whole site when they can see that the link it from that site?
It makes no sense. I'm cutting the branch cuz the tree is rotten....
» Unknown on December 5th, 2013, 10:40am
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» cmertb on December 5th, 2013, 10:30am
Quote from T1
Lies. Cuz I keep seeing the online readers popping up on my searches when I search for a title on google. It's annoying cuz I'm not looking for where to read it and they keep showing that to me. So how come you don't get those search results while I get spammed by results mangahere, mangareader et ...
Google removes links from searches when DMCA specifies those links.When you search for a manga title, you invariably get a notice that some links aren't shown due to a DMCA complaint. They will not remove the whole online reader, but they will remove links to specific pages on that online reader. So if you get those hits, that means no one has DMCA'ed Google about those specific titles on those specific sites yet.
» Unknown on December 5th, 2013, 10:42am
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» Gradonil_Ral on December 5th, 2013, 8:44am
Sad news, true, but I'm gonna get used to this too - I did, when thee download links for the releases were disabled. This doesn't change that much anyways.
You can just select the group name, right-click and search google, if you have a google search active in your Search Engines bar. Or use Selected Search plugin to be able to choose from the engines you've installed.
You can also bypass the block if the group uses twitter or facebook since the website links will still be available there (and both fb and twitter are still clickable here).
The only groups that might be harder to find are the smaller ones which don't have names unique enough to be placed high in search results. Then again, if they haven't taken that into consideration while choosing their names... well, they've only themselves to blame
You can just select the group name, right-click and search google, if you have a google search active in your Search Engines bar. Or use Selected Search plugin to be able to choose from the engines you've installed.
You can also bypass the block if the group uses twitter or facebook since the website links will still be available there (and both fb and twitter are still clickable here).
The only groups that might be harder to find are the smaller ones which don't have names unique enough to be placed high in search results. Then again, if they haven't taken that into consideration while choosing their names... well, they've only themselves to blame
» stew00 on December 5th, 2013, 9:38am
most likely its crunchroll seeing how they stooped to the same tactics when they were trying to get their anime domination going and shutting down hardworking groups to boost their site hits, since they are activetly doing the same for their new manga section, stay tuned to a lot more sites they will attack to get their way.
» T1 on December 5th, 2013, 9:57am
So you are saying that I,....sorry we should actually pick up each and every of their titles until they start doing something about online readers such as mangafox?
I mean groups we can make whenever we want and we can even put it out on the online readers for people to read. So if they want to stop it they will either stop sites like these or stop the online readers where people actually go to read their manga. Not that many people download as they did in the past. I'l got with the latter option because that's how you hit the people taking your money. Stopping this site will just result in a new site...also this site isn't doing anything illegal.
I mean groups we can make whenever we want and we can even put it out on the online readers for people to read. So if they want to stop it they will either stop sites like these or stop the online readers where people actually go to read their manga. Not that many people download as they did in the past. I'l got with the latter option because that's how you hit the people taking your money. Stopping this site will just result in a new site...also this site isn't doing anything illegal.
» cloudsora on December 5th, 2013, 10:52am
Over 50% of the manga translated that's listed on here isn't even licensed why does everything have to suffer for that? Seriously a VERY good portion of manga I've read will never be brought over here and the worst ones are the groups that send DMCA's for manga's they discontinued translating.
I'm learning japanese so I don't have to deal with this anymore but its REALLY slow the writing system is so foreign... although I have most of the spoken down in no time.
I'm learning japanese so I don't have to deal with this anymore but its REALLY slow the writing system is so foreign... although I have most of the spoken down in no time.
» Suo.Minona on December 5th, 2013, 1:22pm
So true!!! the things I am thankful for are oneshots, and 1-2 volumes gems that will never be brought to English speaking community, big hits with teenegers like naruto bleach... are not my thing, and we have to suffer because of sites licencing them, so unfair, damn you crunchy s*hit!!!!
» T1 on December 5th, 2013, 2:05pm
Same here. I decided to take it seriously too. The crap with groups taking up 50 projects and then droppeed them all except 2, or the crap with staff problems, or the crap with DMCA....it got enough.
Anyway, what you say is true. We still haven't been told who it is that are sending the DMCA. It can't be the Japanese government, so is it crunchyroll? Someone else? As long as we don't know who it is or what was written we as users of mangaupdates got no chance to come with inputs to admins/mods of this site.
It makes me sad and emo
Anyway, what you say is true. We still haven't been told who it is that are sending the DMCA. It can't be the Japanese government, so is it crunchyroll? Someone else? As long as we don't know who it is or what was written we as users of mangaupdates got no chance to come with inputs to admins/mods of this site.
It makes me sad and emo
» soyokaze on December 5th, 2013, 3:43pm
You shall not give in to terrorists.
Goddamn it. Nothing has irritated me this month as much as this situation and the fact that you not only complied just like that, but also informed us post factum about your decision. Please at least publish the DMCA note so that we could take appropriate measures against them.
You are not obliged to take down those links and they know it, that's why they took the "official, scary threat" way - so you would take them down on your own. Why? Because they wouldn't f****ng stand a chance in a court. Besides, they would have to disclose who was the complainant, who will rather pull back than get flamed.
People, get your grip together and don't let anyone abuse you. I have faith in you.
Goddamn it. Nothing has irritated me this month as much as this situation and the fact that you not only complied just like that, but also informed us post factum about your decision. Please at least publish the DMCA note so that we could take appropriate measures against them.
You are not obliged to take down those links and they know it, that's why they took the "official, scary threat" way - so you would take them down on your own. Why? Because they wouldn't f****ng stand a chance in a court. Besides, they would have to disclose who was the complainant, who will rather pull back than get flamed.
People, get your grip together and don't let anyone abuse you. I have faith in you.
» Hantu on December 5th, 2013, 8:10pm
The terrorist may have more money, but if they using legal threat, then we can fight legally too. The fight need money, open up donation. Many reader here want to help. As for my self, the least I can do is donate. Just take my money and fight.
» xtr3m3dude on December 5th, 2013, 5:13pm
My suggestion is that the admins open a mangaupdates bitcoin wallet for the users to donate to. They can then gauge the amount of bitcoin donations. A few months should be sufficient to decide if bitcoin donations are a viable method of survival without paypal.
Let's try to be understanding guys, the admins can't keep the site running without donations or ads (both dependent on paypal). Give them time to consider options.
Let's try to be understanding guys, the admins can't keep the site running without donations or ads (both dependent on paypal). Give them time to consider options.
» Hanen on December 5th, 2013, 9:11pm
(My opinion)
honestly, to those of you who said they would stop using this website... I call BS on you. Mangaupdates is still more convenient than with or without the download links, and group links. Honestly, you guys are blowing this way out of proportion. You can overreact only when they choose to remove manga release updates, and start charging money all together because that is when they go 'too far'. But for now, not having the links is just first world problems...
Now with all that said, this sucks, now I have to put in effort to type in google to find the group's website. Most are easy to find, but others are harder because their group name has ambigious names that could potentially bring up other websites completely unrelated.
I loved this website because I was able to keep one hand on the mouse and just navigate without the effort to of moving my other hand.
honestly, to those of you who said they would stop using this website... I call BS on you. Mangaupdates is still more convenient than with or without the download links, and group links. Honestly, you guys are blowing this way out of proportion. You can overreact only when they choose to remove manga release updates, and start charging money all together because that is when they go 'too far'. But for now, not having the links is just first world problems...
Now with all that said, this sucks, now I have to put in effort to type in google to find the group's website. Most are easy to find, but others are harder because their group name has ambigious names that could potentially bring up other websites completely unrelated.
I loved this website because I was able to keep one hand on the mouse and just navigate without the effort to of moving my other hand.
» kirika on December 5th, 2013, 9:36pm
Time to switch to Batoto.
» eirini_kl on December 5th, 2013, 10:20pm
Okay, I've just about had it with all of you who act like it's the end of the world or trash talk the site because of removing the group links. It took me only a few hours to go to batoto, find the links of every group whose manga I've been following and store them in a separate Favorites folder, so all I have to do now is one more click to get to the homepage of the group I want. And I'll just do the same if a new group I like appears. As long as the updates appear regularly and the group names are mentioned you can always find them one way or another. And no one can force MU to remove plain text information as that would constitute censorship and not even the DMCA can get away with that. It's true that the legal claim of whoever filed the complaint is dubious but all of you have to keep in mind that MU is not some corporation but a site run by everyday people who only wanted to provide information about manga, not get entangled in lawsuits that might go on for years and totally mess up their lives in the process. And if there's any danger of them shutting the site down it would be because of they'll get sick of all those who'd rather grumble about how MU can't stand up to the big companies (honestly, I'd really like to see anyone of those smartasses trying to hold his own against a legal fight with a corporation) rather than finding a way to adapt. There are always ways, as long as you're not too lazy to do something about it.
» T1 on December 6th, 2013, 2:41am
Yes, only 1 hour. Now think of the idiots like me who read nearly everything out there. How many do we have to add to our folders? How many hours do we have to spend?
Also let's not forget the groups whose name changes and the ones whose title never pops up on batoto. I know you are trying to be help but some of us have already thought about this before speaking....even if we do not sound like we did.
I agree with your DMCA reason which is why it would have been great if we could have seen the message. I seem to repeat myself for people and here. If we knew what was written on it maybe we could help finding out how to overcome it together. As you said, there are always ways.
I could hold mine against a legal corporation if I never did anything wrong. As I said before: This is like piratebay just without torrents so if piratebay isn't illlegal, then this site is totally not illegal.
Also let's not forget the groups whose name changes and the ones whose title never pops up on batoto. I know you are trying to be help but some of us have already thought about this before speaking....even if we do not sound like we did.
I agree with your DMCA reason which is why it would have been great if we could have seen the message. I seem to repeat myself for people and here. If we knew what was written on it maybe we could help finding out how to overcome it together. As you said, there are always ways.
I could hold mine against a legal corporation if I never did anything wrong. As I said before: This is like piratebay just without torrents so if piratebay isn't illlegal, then this site is totally not illegal.
» kitty1826x on December 6th, 2013, 9:29am
There are some key differences between the Piratebay and MU. (going to shorten Piratebay to PB)
- MU is US based (I believe); PB is not. ( I believe it is currently based in the Seychelles, but is still Swedish )
- PB has had A LOT more money than MU. ( Most likely from all the ads)
- PB is ran by an organisation rather than individuals, unlike MU.
PB is technically not illegal
As much as the US likes to step into things that do not concern them, they can't do much about sites where the sever is in a different country.
(going to start talking about something else)
- I started wondering how many notices did MU receive that the DMCA suspended the paypal account to this site. ( To me it seems as if MU got a few of them before that suspension).
- Still wondering who is filing against MU of the copyright.
- Why can't you just have plain text of the groups websites up?
I can understand not having links up, but I believe they can't do anything about plain text.
As I've said in another post on this thread. When it comes copyright violations MU has done nothing wrong. Mu does not give downloads, and doesn't allow info on where to get downloads.
When it comes to Contributory Infringement and Vicarious Liability that is the only way the DMCA may have a case.
For Vicarious Liability, it would be thrown out as this is a free site, with free membership, and no profits are made. Only donations to keep the site running (Which I assume is mainly for the domain name).
For Contributory Infringement, the person(or group I guess) that's making the claim against MU has to prove that MU has knowledge that the links they share lead to downloads of unauthorized material. Also MU does not encourage downloads which contributory infringement need the person to induce the illegal activity. [ For anyone interested in reading about [url=http://www.copyright.gov/docs/regstat072204.html ]Contributory Infringement and Vicarious Liability [/url] or go to the home page of that site for more copyright info]
To wrap this up MU has done nothing wrong when it comes to copyright, and the methods DMCA used should not have been used. ( Really am wondering if other notices were sent and ignored ...)
- MU is US based (I believe); PB is not. ( I believe it is currently based in the Seychelles, but is still Swedish )
- PB has had A LOT more money than MU. ( Most likely from all the ads)
- PB is ran by an organisation rather than individuals, unlike MU.
PB is technically not illegal
Quote from Piratebay website
Only torrent files are saved at the server. That means no copyrighted and/or illegal material are stored by us. It is therefore not possible to hold the people behind The Pirate Bay responsible for the material that is being spread using the tracker. Any complaints from copyright and/or lobby organizations will be ridiculed and published at the site.
As much as the US likes to step into things that do not concern them, they can't do much about sites where the sever is in a different country.
(going to start talking about something else)
- I started wondering how many notices did MU receive that the DMCA suspended the paypal account to this site. ( To me it seems as if MU got a few of them before that suspension).
- Still wondering who is filing against MU of the copyright.
- Why can't you just have plain text of the groups websites up?
I can understand not having links up, but I believe they can't do anything about plain text.
As I've said in another post on this thread. When it comes copyright violations MU has done nothing wrong. Mu does not give downloads, and doesn't allow info on where to get downloads.
When it comes to Contributory Infringement and Vicarious Liability that is the only way the DMCA may have a case.
For Vicarious Liability, it would be thrown out as this is a free site, with free membership, and no profits are made. Only donations to keep the site running (Which I assume is mainly for the domain name).
For Contributory Infringement, the person(or group I guess) that's making the claim against MU has to prove that MU has knowledge that the links they share lead to downloads of unauthorized material. Also MU does not encourage downloads which contributory infringement need the person to induce the illegal activity. [ For anyone interested in reading about [url=http://www.copyright.gov/docs/regstat072204.html ]Contributory Infringement and Vicarious Liability [/url] or go to the home page of that site for more copyright info]
Quote from MU-FAQ
That's right. We aren't a download service, and we do not encourage downloading licensed manga series. If you like a series, go buy it and help out the anime and manga industry. I'm sure they will appreciate it.
To wrap this up MU has done nothing wrong when it comes to copyright, and the methods DMCA used should not have been used. ( Really am wondering if other notices were sent and ignored ...)
» Great on December 5th, 2013, 11:06pm
Well said. I agree. Stop complaining. Just take it or leave it.
I was already following manga from the era even before IRC (gotlurk) got dominant, so I dont think this would affect much. BUT, if MangaUpdates is gone entirely, now thats a tough one. But I wouldnt have any place to react because this forum would also gone, right?
So enough talk, brace yourself, and just take it as a manga lover, we will find the way.
I was already following manga from the era even before IRC (gotlurk) got dominant, so I dont think this would affect much. BUT, if MangaUpdates is gone entirely, now thats a tough one. But I wouldnt have any place to react because this forum would also gone, right?
So enough talk, brace yourself, and just take it as a manga lover, we will find the way.
» Reyalsdog on December 5th, 2013, 11:59pm
Daily reminder that we already have script that fixed everything.
» soyokaze on December 6th, 2013, 8:39am
From what I see the script works by importing links not from sites database, but from from the script itself. That means that if a new group is added to the site, it's link still won't appear unless you exchange the whole script for a newer version. The same thing with updating old links - if a group changes its address, the script will still display the old one. I have no idea how it can be fixed, I'm no programmer. You'd have to have access to MU database for it to work properly.
» Reyalsdog on December 6th, 2013, 3:00pm
Quote
You'd have to have access to MU database for it to work properly.
Well, duh. It either MU staff should make add-on for browsers from this and update constantly, or at least update script itself, or it won't work in a long term and for masses of dumb people. But I don't see any enthusiasm about this from MU staff at all, or we already would have all of this by now.
For now you yourself can update groups who matter to you:
1. Open script in notepad or whatever.
2. Ctrl+F number of group's page.
3. Change old URL to new.
4. Save.
or add new (if you know/find their site URL):
1. Open script in notepad or whatever.
2. Add number of group's page and URL.
3. Save.
» Psychameleon on December 6th, 2013, 1:07am
Eh, as long as releases and group names are mentioned, it's good enough for me. Not a big deal.
(and well, there's this script too, thanks to anon)
(and well, there's this script too, thanks to anon)
» Diokhan on December 6th, 2013, 3:32am
my apologies for not reading through the whole thread, so this may have already been answered, but may i ask; what exactly constitutes as "linking" in this scenario? is simply stating a group's web address without it linking directly to their site considered as breaking the terms of this DMCA?
unless it's explicitly stated otherwise, as i see it, there's just no big difference whether or not a group's address is being put up for show; if you have it up (again, without it linking to their site) , users can copy/paste up on the url bar. otherwise, users can simply google for the group to access their site.
the only difference here is that the former is slightly more convenient (made even more convenient with the help of certain add-ons/extensions) than the latter.
unless it's explicitly stated otherwise, as i see it, there's just no big difference whether or not a group's address is being put up for show; if you have it up (again, without it linking to their site) , users can copy/paste up on the url bar. otherwise, users can simply google for the group to access their site.
the only difference here is that the former is slightly more convenient (made even more convenient with the help of certain add-ons/extensions) than the latter.
» Gradonil_Ral on December 6th, 2013, 11:58am
Okay, for those of you who are too lazy to google the groups' infos and are using Firefox:
1. Install this: http://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/batoto-groups/
2. Activate the Batoto Groups search in your browser's bar for search engines.
3. Select a group's name (here or anywhere else on the net).
4. Right-click and click on [Search Batoto Groups for "<your-selection"]
5. Choose the group you want from the list that shows up (depends on how common the name is) and visit their website.
You can also use this addon to be able to choose from more then one search engine at once:
http://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/selected-search/
And this one to be able to automatically make your own "search engines" for your browser (without installing each one separately):
http://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/add-to-search-bar /
1. Install this: http://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/batoto-groups/
2. Activate the Batoto Groups search in your browser's bar for search engines.
3. Select a group's name (here or anywhere else on the net).
4. Right-click and click on [Search Batoto Groups for "<your-selection"]
5. Choose the group you want from the list that shows up (depends on how common the name is) and visit their website.
You can also use this addon to be able to choose from more then one search engine at once:
http://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/selected-search/
And this one to be able to automatically make your own "search engines" for your browser (without installing each one separately):
http://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/add-to-search-bar /
» CuteManabi on December 6th, 2013, 5:17pm
This is a pretty dastardly move on the part of someone, and it's quite possible it's the company the copyright holder hired trying to push the law past its limits than the actual copyright holders doing it.
What they have demanded is pretty blatantly unconstitutional on its face, and you need legal help ASAP. You should contact the EFF, read this page here. If they won't take the case personally, they will offer to refer it to their mailing list. I have a friend who's had to do this once, he got contacted by a first amendment lawyer offering pro-bono advice within a few days. They were immensely helpful and nothing ever came of the threat.
Don't let them get away with this, this is the kind of thing first amendment lawyers love to fight against. Your site has already taken actions to make it not be a source of piracy (removing download links, which happened a long time ago). And don't think this will be the end of it. These types of organizations are never satisfied. They WILL be back with further demand in the future. Contact the EFF, get a lawyer on your side, and put a stop to it.
As a side note: These types of threats tend to vanish really, really quickly when they find out you have a lawyer who knows what they're doing. They prey on the weak and uninformed counting on people not knowing their rights and not having the money to get a lawyer. That's why the EFF exists, and why many lawyers are willing to help pro-bono to stop this crap.
What they have demanded is pretty blatantly unconstitutional on its face, and you need legal help ASAP. You should contact the EFF, read this page here. If they won't take the case personally, they will offer to refer it to their mailing list. I have a friend who's had to do this once, he got contacted by a first amendment lawyer offering pro-bono advice within a few days. They were immensely helpful and nothing ever came of the threat.
Don't let them get away with this, this is the kind of thing first amendment lawyers love to fight against. Your site has already taken actions to make it not be a source of piracy (removing download links, which happened a long time ago). And don't think this will be the end of it. These types of organizations are never satisfied. They WILL be back with further demand in the future. Contact the EFF, get a lawyer on your side, and put a stop to it.
As a side note: These types of threats tend to vanish really, really quickly when they find out you have a lawyer who knows what they're doing. They prey on the weak and uninformed counting on people not knowing their rights and not having the money to get a lawyer. That's why the EFF exists, and why many lawyers are willing to help pro-bono to stop this crap.
» Volos on December 6th, 2013, 6:52pm
I'm inclined to agree that most of these notices tend to be paper dragons.
I don't know many people that would take a case like this totally pro bono, that is, without even a little non-profit funding support. You're talking $20k easy just to handle all the federal filings and get the thing set up for trial. The hope would be after you get to that point you can settle, as going to trial is going to cost a lot more.
You might get some council to write an angry letter or two and give you some very good specific advice pro bono, and again you should start looking to local to where ever you are. More than the EFF, which does a lot of good, I recommend you check out your local ACLU chapter.
And now that we are all talking about how much all these things cost, I also recommend people think about putting their money where their mouth is as soon as a donation mechanism is working. Again a law firm can set an escrow pretty easily for this.
While you are at it, donate to the EFF and ACLU for exactly the same reason. Posting here is easy. Giving online is hard. I bet we can find a manga that deals with choosing the hard path...
I don't know many people that would take a case like this totally pro bono, that is, without even a little non-profit funding support. You're talking $20k easy just to handle all the federal filings and get the thing set up for trial. The hope would be after you get to that point you can settle, as going to trial is going to cost a lot more.
You might get some council to write an angry letter or two and give you some very good specific advice pro bono, and again you should start looking to local to where ever you are. More than the EFF, which does a lot of good, I recommend you check out your local ACLU chapter.
And now that we are all talking about how much all these things cost, I also recommend people think about putting their money where their mouth is as soon as a donation mechanism is working. Again a law firm can set an escrow pretty easily for this.
While you are at it, donate to the EFF and ACLU for exactly the same reason. Posting here is easy. Giving online is hard. I bet we can find a manga that deals with choosing the hard path...
» aagcnet on December 7th, 2013, 11:01am
I think this is good, it makes a lil harder for companies to find groups before they had the change to link releases with the releaser page, not that they dont have said links saved in a database already tho :/
before they had the change to link releases with the releaser page, not that they dont have said links saved in a database already tho :/ » laxarus on December 11th, 2013, 7:17pm
There is this thing called RSS where you can track all the groups you are following. Just saying!!!
» imercenary on December 13th, 2013, 11:51am
And for new groups or groups without a RSS feed, they're screwed!
» laxarus on December 17th, 2013, 10:36am
They mostly have one since almost all of them use blogs. (not mentioning the facebook and irc, those links are still present) It's not the groups that r screwed. It's the users since they need to make more effort to search for group websites. But it's not like this s so hard. Google it, look for the irc or fb page, you will most likely find it. It's just become more of a pain now that the direct links r gone.
What i dont get is why are those damnable online readers r still active whereas the group links of MU which are insignificant compared to what the online readers are doing are removed? It's damn infuriating. I am certain those ppl who filed the complaint are either need a serious mental check or plain idiots. One more thing may be that they see MU as an easier target.
What i dont get is why are those damnable online readers r still active whereas the group links of MU which are insignificant compared to what the online readers are doing are removed? It's damn infuriating. I am certain those ppl who filed the complaint are either need a serious mental check or plain idiots. One more thing may be that they see MU as an easier target.
