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Despite these changes, our release and group submission policies remain the same. Releases must be from scanlation groups that exist according to MangaUpdates, meaning they must have a group entry. In order to have a group entry, the group still needs to submit one or more of the following: website, forum, Twitter, Facebook, and IRC channel. The website and forum will not be displayed anywhere on MangaUpdates though. These pieces of information will be for our own purposes in order to verify the existence of a release. We continue to strive to display accurate information for all series, groups, and releases, so we will check the validity of every submitted release. If you feel a release is fake, you can submit a Change Request, and we will double check your claim.
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» hamzah555 on December 3rd, 2013, 10:29pm
» ughman on December 4th, 2013, 2:56am
Its like reading yellow pages just list of names blank telephone numbers.
This is totally bullshit.
» yuri999 on December 4th, 2013, 3:36am
Its like reading yellow pages just list of names blank telephone numbers.
This is totally bullshit.
I was searching for the right analogy to use but this hits the nail right on the head. In fact I suspect this will further damage the DMCA notice issuers cause because people will start learning even more google keywords and learn about the existence of more manga sites that they never would have otherwise known about.
» monkry on December 4th, 2013, 4:05am
Its like reading yellow pages just list of names blank telephone numbers.
This is totally bullshit.
beautiful comparison

» Daisukereds on December 4th, 2013, 6:10am
» zilentworld on December 3rd, 2013, 10:31pm
» Chinmay on December 3rd, 2013, 10:33pm
I'm just gonna have to go and make a Favorite toolbar folder with links to each group site, that should fill up within a month of all the manga groups I read manga from.
The future of freedom seems narrow!
IDK I feel like sites like this will need to head in the Crunchyroll route, despite most people hating it at the start, because of the lack of content over time it became an alright place!
I'm just saying the amount of manga I have bought plainly because of this site after reading many manga is to grand I can say probably in the last few years spent like $2500+ on manga and anime.
This site actually help, in that regards a connection with magazine group to this site would be nice.
Anyway for now as long as we have actuate database of manga in existence and its status this will still be the best manga database ever!.
» Bloodkay on December 3rd, 2013, 10:38pm
Keep up the good work, guys.
» makoz on December 3rd, 2013, 10:40pm
» licorice on December 3rd, 2013, 10:50pm
» Hinokai on December 3rd, 2013, 11:09pm
» Chocolate Chip on December 4th, 2013, 4:44pm
» deadphoenix on December 3rd, 2013, 11:00pm
It becomes rather difficult to moderate the releases without a link.
I've got the feeling that the one that gave the DMCA complain, just wants mangastreams homepage away.
Might it be possible to add releases from groups that release on online readers now?
It looks ok as long as the name of the reader doesn't appear.
Yesterday, I discovered one of my favourite series to be scanlated 50 chapters ahead.
Anyway, the most important thing about Mangaupdates is still the information and the ability to hold list.
I've tried to hold list with an excel document in the past, but this is impossible with the large variety of links that some series have.
New groups will be in problem now.
They release their stuff and the online readers runs away with it. Online reader become richer and the situation becomes worsen.
What are the license holders thinking, to give their arch enemy the control of the marked.
Non-profit sites like mangaupdates are the only ones that give them income (the minority of people that read scans,but also buy the real manga can be found on the non-profit sites. Their is more than enough proof for this (a lot of stuff that isn't scanned has a rating.)
» maine12329 on December 3rd, 2013, 11:54pm

» kitty1826x on December 3rd, 2013, 11:06pm
I see how a notice got sent, sad that it did though
» kayue on December 3rd, 2013, 11:13pm
It would take one more step for us to find the group, but such a list shouldn't be illegal.
(I wonder who filed the DCMA. It would have to be pretty generalized to affect all titles.)
Edit: Also, weirdly enough, I suspect that this will make the situation worse for the "legitimate" sources of manga since it will drive readers to aggregate sites since it will be "easier" to find titles there.
» Scyfon on December 3rd, 2013, 11:22pm

» duskyderp on December 7th, 2013, 1:16am
lol you took the words out of my mouth.

Link is broken and undreadable you may need to host the document.
Its catch-22. Fight it and you'll never win unless you're a billionaire (in which case they won't DMCA you in the first place in fear that you'd actually bring them to court). Or give up (do what they want) and lose by default.
Actually this is a bullshit move, but it’s also highly illegal because, from the information given, its not fair due process. Even in cases where Google has won DCMA cases, it has been slapped on the wrist. Its even been successful counter sued twice over the issue. Do you know, it took Sony over 2 years of legal troubles hacking back in 2009 by anon just because they failed the due process issue involved in DCMA of the information stolen? Literally they didn’t file a DCMA claim properly. Sony actually had to remove their warrant because it was physically impossible for the hacker, after being caught to actually do because it was on the internet. So there is a legal end in sight, that legal end being your Miranda rights and public pressure. However, I am still not sure if Google is the one filed the DMCA case, because I am waiting for someone to reply to my earlier question in this thread. This whole thing smells like fraud.
Also, court does side with little man. And billionaires do get sued or punished over copyright. Just look at Fox’s copyright infringement of SirMixalot. They lost major public face, and employees, over 50 billion dollars in stock when SirMixalot simply told his story to the local news. He only drop the case because Fox’s officially apologized for try threaten to sue him. Nintendo recently withdrawled all its DCMA claims youtube due to public pressure and more importantly loss of advertising revenue on youtube. This was also because the very people it DCMAced were it was paying to publish and because it was also target people who had been attacked by fraudulent DMCAs before. So no, the little fish does matter. However, mangaupdates is not a little fish, it’s a big one. It needs to start acting like it and have a more realistic understanding of how DCMA cases work.
Yes, but google has a process in how it files these complaints and removed those searches. From the information given, I have not seen evidence that this process was properly filed? So how do we really know this is google? How do we know if this a proper DCMA claim?
They've known about manga scanlations for a long time. It would be very weird that Viz, Tokyopop, DarkHorse, etcetc never told them to remove those sites from Google searches. If Google did their job, I don't think we would have to see something like this today. Of course don't think that the japanese company are sending anything to Google.
There's only one guy I know of who's actively doing something his stuff ending on the net. His stuff is taken down very fast too. Like 1-2 days after it's up. The rest could do the same. Though it's the big firms in Japan that needs to take this step.
This literally my point brother, except for the fact that not even google files these things like this. They file with a third party for a reason.

I was already following manga from the era even before IRC (gotlurk) got dominant, so I dont think this would affect much. BUT, if MangaUpdates is gone entirely, now thats a tough one. But I wouldnt have any place to react because this forum would also gone, right? no
So enough talk, brace yourself, and just take it as a manga lover, we will find the way. biggrin

Facepalm. Ok, man have you ever seen copyright DCMA fraud!? I am sorry if I sound like a jerk, but some us have and we know what fraudulent DCMA claims look like. (Its all my brother talks about sometimes <_<; )

Now before you say huh? or what? DCMA fraud happens all the time, else well my brother would out of a decent paying part time job as a paralegal. His boss and his boss's boss would probably be out of a job too.
From Manik's own post (http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=44069), we read
(My main point -->) That the link was http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca512/question.cgi?QuestionID= 268, which is an FAQ not an actual Chilling Effect Open Record DMCA report~! If this was a legit DCMA claim there would be a chilling effects open record report attached with it. That link is missing and everything else that has been posted about DCMA claim points fraud, like it being called "the organization" (<-- Main point)
It is Google policy all DCMA claims they do have to have a proper third party report when they are filed. That report has to list the companies or person on behalf of Google is filing the report else is suspect also to fraud (especially if it involved youtube). Thus, clearly someone is scamming mangaupdates. This is not how Google’s legal employees have been taught to file DCMA reports.
Now Mangaupdates could change their link policy and that is ok. I think the new script is a wonderful idea, and I give it applause below. However, the fact remains is they are being scammed. I don't like website who I consider nice and friendly being scammed. It makes me angry and green.... you won't like me when I am angry.
For the new script:

^applauze 'cause scripts are awesome. I just wish we would make this an app for my phone. ^_^;
» imercenary on December 7th, 2013, 1:00pm
Miranda rights only apply to criminal suspects, not civil. The type of DMCA violations mangaupdates is being accused of are anti-circumvention provisions, a civil violation.
Sorry, but if you can't get something like this correct, you have no idea what you're talking about.
» philip72 on December 3rd, 2013, 11:23pm
This sounds excessive. Some of us here (not me) are lawyers and law students and would like a chance to peruse it.
» panos on December 3rd, 2013, 11:32pm
» philip72 on December 3rd, 2013, 11:51pm
This is all quite suspicious, they haven't even told us who the shady group who issued this extremely overreaching takedown notice is, and there's no legal reason why they can't.
I think MangaUpdates has been cowed and intimidated by aggressive legal posturing. The takedown submitters representative probably can't believe their great fortune in that it actually worked. Of course they're fine with removing all the links, they hadn't a leg to stand on to begin with.
» philip72 on December 3rd, 2013, 11:30pm
Something doesn't seem right here.
» kihi on December 3rd, 2013, 11:50pm
publisher in a nutshell

» Lilanar on December 4th, 2013, 12:12am
» Milleniummaster18 on December 4th, 2013, 12:25am
In my opinion, whoever group's threatening to sue is overextending their hand. It might be a bogus claim.
» mysstris on December 4th, 2013, 1:06am
this isn't going to stop me from continuing to use this site though, it's not like I don't know how to use google.
» kihi on December 4th, 2013, 1:16am
» mysstris on December 4th, 2013, 5:04pm
» misc on December 4th, 2013, 1:11am



F**k this s**t!!!
A fourth of what I've read depends on the links provided here damn it, because I read a lot of doujinshis, and you're going to go through hell if you try to find those doujinshis' scanlators' websites through google. I don't understand the legal procedures very well but can't there be like, an option for scanators to decide whether they want to publicise their websites or not? I'm sure a lot of scanlators would want, no, NEED such option, since big names probably won't be affected by this but what about new groups that haven't established a name for themselves yet? How are they supposed to advertise their works, and what the hell am I supposed to do now to visit 'young' scanlators when I don't even have any mean?
» bakaliner on December 4th, 2013, 1:26am






» Dionaea on December 4th, 2013, 12:30pm
» red255 on December 4th, 2013, 1:37am
sorry. I could ask about what form the DMCA notice came to cow you into action. what exactly it took for you to effectively shut the site down.
Obviously this is a developing situation.
but your actions have removed any reason for me to visit this site.
so unless you do something by the time I check back in a few days I'm going to never visit again.
sorry. the sad thing is, I don't even think you got an actual notice. from WHO exactly?
» Hostile on December 4th, 2013, 5:38am
» pyonk on December 4th, 2013, 1:45am
can someone help me understand why this is happening but site like mangafox continue to exist?
i mean, if posting hyperlink to scanlation site is illegal and they ask to take it down, why online reader still standing?
» eirini_kl on December 4th, 2013, 1:52am
» pyonk on December 4th, 2013, 2:31am
This is suspicious, really.
This DMCA things really pain in the ass. but oh well, we are in a grey area anyway.
I live in third world country where there is no DMCA-shit around except a tight censor for pornography where even Mangafox and other online-reader manga site is blocked by nawalaproject-shit from my shitty gvernment for porn reason

» MewMan on December 6th, 2013, 8:53am
time for Mangaupdates to get a server in New Zealand like MegaUpload?
» GuttedGnome on December 4th, 2013, 1:56am
» coa88 on December 4th, 2013, 1:57am
» Mercenary09 on December 4th, 2013, 1:59am
» Reyalsdog on December 4th, 2013, 2:00am
And MU wasn't good with links to begin with, and now it's only updates and catalog. Yes, updates and manga catalog is important, but finding those updates will be a pain in the ass, not to mention finding old releases. And you know it's only beginning.
» eirini_kl on December 4th, 2013, 2:05am
» Damnedman on December 4th, 2013, 2:07am
» Hinokai on December 4th, 2013, 2:09am
How absurd.
» Unrequited on December 4th, 2013, 2:14am
» Zuan on December 4th, 2013, 2:17am
I would love to see the DMCA notice. As probably many, such as myself, have been a member for many years (6 for me as of last month) it would be nice to be able to see, confirm and argue its validity. Any other site that I have ever been a member of that has received a DMCA at least gave us the courtesy of presenting it.
» PROzess on December 4th, 2013, 2:39am
It's sad to see it come to an end like this.
Thanks for all the efforts up to this point.
RIP
» zenaku2005 on December 4th, 2013, 2:42am
More importantly the DMCA have no rights to shut down sites that are not hosting/uploading copyrighted material, Take MediaFire for example the links that contains the copyrighted materials were just taken down while those that weren't under the DMCA stayed up.
So removing the links to sites that may or may not contain materials under the DMCA makes sense as much as this

While it's true that some sites where taken down due to posting links but in all instant these links were HYPERLINKS in other words click-able links, Posting non click-able links as a normal text should be O.K. otherwise it will violate the First Amendment of Constitution and if they can do that will....

» pyonk on December 4th, 2013, 3:02am
This. why dont we do this? it makes sense.
although i dont really know how wide DMCA apply on this, whether posting web or site address with normal text considered as infrigement or not. If not, can we just use this method?
» Lilanar on December 4th, 2013, 3:36am
More importantly the DMCA have no rights to shut down sites that are not hosting/uploading copyrighted material...
So true. It's really fishy. And I don't know why only one other site comes to my mind that no one has been able or really tried to stop it even when they're hosting popular copyrighted/licensed series.
» brunoais on December 4th, 2013, 6:29am
The problem here is the "enabling" part of the agreement. So it still is possible but reeeealllllly suspicious.
» romance20 on December 4th, 2013, 3:00am
» Rashidisw on December 4th, 2013, 3:13am
while they mostly can't monetized the ads on their facebook & twitter link, as those ads revenues goes directly to facebook & twitter companies.
» gwkimmy on December 4th, 2013, 3:14am
if so...sjdlasjdlkjalkjdaldjaskljdlaj
» connerity on December 4th, 2013, 3:23am
Foremost, the removal of links for ALL groups, not just ones where there is actually material that falls under the DMCA.
Sounds to me like someone from a profiteering online reader like mangafox wants to make some more profit by making scanlators harder to reach.
» En Do on December 4th, 2013, 3:28am
also, anyone notice this sentence?
"The representative of the group that submitted the DMCA has so far said these actions are enough."
so there are figureheads huh...
» ersatz on December 4th, 2013, 3:33am
I agree with so many people in this thread that I don't even know what to quote... please say something lambchopsil...

» annebel on December 4th, 2013, 4:03am

Only to think about your database and the daily releases will disappear one day makes me mad.

» derpMonster on December 4th, 2013, 4:28am
» Cainam on December 4th, 2013, 4:32am
What I get is that all the groups link and IRC are forbidden and limited to just facebook and twitter. So it's alright then if a group have either facebook or twitter and put their site link there. Or maybe some kindhearted people can make a fan page in facebook a kind of manga updates which create notes filled with groups' links.
» tactics on December 4th, 2013, 4:34am
Well this is bullshit.
I agree with whoever said that you should keep the website address there, but not link it. If that makes any difference. I don't see how linking to a website is bad in the first place. The downloads I could understand, but this? Rubbish.
Same old though. Hit the easy targets. Never go for the big guns.
Asshats.
» Gleam on December 4th, 2013, 5:05am
Why MU staff so weak for pressure? The demand to remove link just to the one whole site where infringing links MAY BE posted is already pushing it. The demand to remove all links indisciminately is nothing less than outrageous, because, if nothing other, there's no company which has full copyright to ALL manga mentioned on MU.
Why Google's stance can't be employed? If someone sending them letter about some search engine results, they check, if sender REALLY has the right for mentioned material and if material is really beyond fair use, and only THEN google remove links. With mentioning who was sender and which links (in plain text) was removed.
P.S. Maybe I should start to search another source of information. With current state of things this one may not live long.
» kuraixdesu on December 4th, 2013, 4:57am
But having said that, MU just needs another method to verify legit releases, which I thank you guys for working around this problem for us dedicated lurkers.
But if the updates are no longer provided... That's when I see red.



» Pionfou on December 4th, 2013, 5:08am
If you go to the scanlators site enough it's just Ctrl+T-address, which might even be faster. Slightly annoyed this happened after I deleted my collection of bookmarks of scanlator websites because it turned out to be mostly useless but oh well.
» Kitsame on December 4th, 2013, 5:18am
Someone told you to remove html links to other sites and you complied?And not just specific sites, but all of them?And you did it?
Are you guys retards?You were not keeping DL links, you were just keeping html links to other sites and that is not law breaking offense.They can only send notice to scanlators since they are official law-breakers.
Also, since you deleted all html links they are "satisfied"?Sounds like you got conned hard.
And what is the point of your site, now that you deleted links to other sites?
» ampzz on December 4th, 2013, 5:43am
Good fucking bye to this.
» sunao26 on December 4th, 2013, 5:44am
I'd rather not have any links anymore if that means MU won't go down. Thanks guys for your great work as always. I've been using this website for 9 years now haha.
» caitnap on December 4th, 2013, 6:17am
guess I will sport "Google" on another tab each time I come here
» turek101 on December 4th, 2013, 6:28am
Someone suggested if u can post link without directlink it would help to go faster to groups homesites is it possible ?
and btw some sites change they country of server just to make money and they dont give a **** about groups why they dont they accuse them instead
» yuri999 on December 4th, 2013, 7:09am
» ayumisingo on December 4th, 2013, 7:10am

» cris0327 on December 4th, 2013, 7:40am
» 668 on December 4th, 2013, 8:07am
» cmertb on December 4th, 2013, 8:07am
This means pretty much the death of most scanlator web sites (and of MU as well). Scanlators will be working for Mangafox, Mangareader etc even more than in the past. It's a huge win for online readers. Do I want to continue scanlating in this environment? I'm not sure anymore.
» 90tables on December 4th, 2013, 8:32am

» licorice on December 4th, 2013, 8:35am
» PROzess on December 4th, 2013, 9:50am
All hope is lost.
MU was our last fortress.
Or we just go to the superior Mangafox.
Saves you the 1-2 steps to search in google.
Much more convenient.
» kainord on December 4th, 2013, 10:07am
All hope is lost.
MU was our last fortress.
Or we just go to the superior Mangafox.
Saves you the 1-2 steps to search in google.
Much more convenient.
You are right, if you want missing pages, broken links, out of order pages, pop-up screens for who knows what.
» PROzess on December 4th, 2013, 10:09am
>still getting pop-ups
Oh boy...
It certainly isnt bad as you make it out to be.
Anyway, we have no other choice but to rely on big online readers like Mangafox/Mangahere etc,
because of their "I dont give a fuck" policy of DMCA.
» connerity on December 4th, 2013, 10:15am
You forgot the watermarks x)
» babel on December 4th, 2013, 4:05pm
» licorice on December 4th, 2013, 8:42am
Maybe we should the servers to Canada...
» GuttedGnome on December 4th, 2013, 9:46am
Maybe we should the servers to Canada...
Well, that's the issue, linking to the homepage of a scanlator group is as much copyright infringement as linking to Google or even The Pirate Bay homepage. Whoever sent that DMCA notice couldn't hold their ground in any serious law abiding court.
Now, if it was a link (hot, hyper or magnet linking etc) directly to an infringing file that's obviously different.
» yasew on December 4th, 2013, 8:43am
Move server to Asia >Ignore DMCA
» Reyalsdog on December 4th, 2013, 8:50am
https://github.com/MilesWilford/MangaUpdatesImprover
» maskokot on December 4th, 2013, 9:11am
On Release page, it adds LINK next to group link that does Google search for you in new page.
I came up with this in like 5 min. It works for Opera as User JavaScript.
// ==UserScript==
// @name Add Group Links
// @include http://www.mangaupdates.com/releases.html*
// ==/UserScript==
(function (){
for (var i = 0; document.links[i]; i++)
{
if (document.links[i].title == 'Group Info')
{
// change the link
var a = document.createElement('a');
a.title = document.links[i].innerHTML + "Link";
a.innerText = "LINK";
a.target = "_blank";
a.href = "http://www.google.com/search?q=" + encodeURIComponent(document.links[i].innerHTML +" manga group");
document.links[i].parentNode.appendChild(document.createTextNo de (" "));
document.links[i].parentNode.appendChild(a);
}
}
})()
» iceaco on December 4th, 2013, 9:13am
» kainord on December 4th, 2013, 9:38am
» Kitsame on December 4th, 2013, 10:12am
MU is at fault here since they allowed to get bullied for no reason.
Show me the law where hot-linking other sites is forbidden.This is retarded and even guys who sent DMCA know it.
» kainord on December 4th, 2013, 10:13am
@ Kitsame, now that DMCA i want to read, because they don't have any justified reason now. They could have only the "linking" to sites as a reason, but they lost that. This forum dosent provide anything else now. Searching i only found DMCA letter against Mangaupdates.org
» Anabiotic_Pineapple on December 4th, 2013, 10:17am
It was nice having everything on one site, but ultimately, it's a first world problem.
» licorice on December 4th, 2013, 10:24am
Sad but true.
» 7godeohs on December 4th, 2013, 10:46am
100% true.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but some of the comments here are pretty damn selfish. You want MU to put up some sort of legal battle just to allow hyperlinks again, instead of a two-step Google search.
Now, if you think this is just a slippery slope to the'beginning of the end' then that's fine - do something about it. Put your money where your mouth is and start a MU legal fund with Paypal donations for things like this in the future. Make your own site with whatever you want on it, ignore DMCA takedown requests and do your own thing.
This is a free site, which aggregates tons of freely acquired information from users, that allows you to search for and locate free digital downloads of manga titles that others pay for and have spent countless hours cleaning, redrawing, translating, typesetting - purely for the love of the manga. Suck it up and be happy for what you currently have.
» makoz on December 4th, 2013, 12:33pm
» Recaro on December 4th, 2013, 10:20am
» ginx2666 on December 4th, 2013, 11:32am
If not for fan translations that created Western fanbase, they'd have no business in the first place, so they could show some fucking restraint and respect.
» Karuna on December 4th, 2013, 11:55am
Why mangaupdates that doesn't earn anything for what they do and not the reading sites that earn money and even have published works in english there?
They should go for them and not for this site.
And if they keep doing this it'll only affect negatively to them.
At last I think so, because if sites like mangaupdates or scanlators didn't exist I wouldn't be buying manga. And more importantly I wouldn't be buying manga in english since my native language is spanish and without sites like this one, I wouldn't have gotten used to read in english.
I don't understand why they do these things, if mangaupdates or scanlators weren't there I'm sure that japan wouldn't sell as much as manga internationally as it does now, because I at last wouldn't buy a thing I don't understand, but if I read it in english and I like it I would buy it in japanese to support the author, and the same in english, if I liked a manga I read and they publish it I'd buy it too, and I'm sure most of people do that.
Why don't they see that the ones who are reading manga now from the scanlators will be the ones that will buy manga to them in the future?
They are selling to fans and mangaupdates is were most of fans gather to give their opinions about their preferences, about if they like this or if they don't, this site could even be their market research are they blind?
I'm sorry for this long post but I got pretty mad

» Chayto on December 4th, 2013, 11:56am
Anyway, lets stop the bitching, that's how life is and we gotta deal with it.
» RilleL on December 4th, 2013, 12:10pm
A lot of these scanlators are quite small and even with google it's not convenient to find them.
I really believe lambchopsil and Manick needs to triple check this because more than anything this past year(s), this change could mean the deathblow to this website.
I would really suck if some third party DMCA copyright troll would bring down a whole community.
Edit: Actually, if you're reading this lamb/Manick, can we seriously consider making it a requirement (or strongly encourage) scanlating groups to have a facebook or twitter account?
At least that way we would have something to click.
They could then link their website/blog themselves.
» cmertb on December 4th, 2013, 12:45pm
» ginx2666 on December 4th, 2013, 12:57pm
This whole case stinks. MU staff refuses to answer who issued takedown request, and its content. It's either gag order (I doubt it, not many companies have enough power to buy courts to do that), or MU staff is too scared to do anything.
I smell bullshit.
» Vicis on December 4th, 2013, 1:00pm
Even asking mu to remove the links to the websites is pushing it. I doubt it would stand up in court. There's little to no chance they can do anything to shut this wonderful website down.
Would be nice if MU told us who sent the DMCA so we could go give them a piece of our mind. I bet it's Crunchuroll. With it's god awful translators.
» myrt on December 4th, 2013, 1:22pm

T__T I didn't even realise how much I relied on those links until they were gone.

» Hermaphrodite on December 4th, 2013, 1:28pm
What's done is done, but this is just bullshit. Now more and more people will go to Mangafox or Online Readers to spare the hassle of google-ing for scans group's page. Nicely done.
» Reyalsdog on December 4th, 2013, 1:37pm
https://github.com/loadletter/mangaupdates-urlfix
» coa88 on December 4th, 2013, 2:01pm

» cmertb on December 4th, 2013, 2:49pm
https://github.com/loadletter/mangaupdates-urlfix
It may work for now, but it's not a viable long term solution since URLs are hard-coded.
» tart on December 4th, 2013, 9:42pm
https://github.com/loadletter/mangaupdates-urlfix
Why not create a separate thread for this so more people can see it before it's completely lost in the thread?
» Geese1 on December 4th, 2013, 2:39pm
https://github.com/loadletter/mangaupdates-urlfix
How do you get this to work? I usually use Chrome, but I also have Firefox on my computers and I'm unsure how to run this.
[Edit] Never mind, got it to work and it's great! Hopefully this can be continually updated as new groups are added and/or have their information updated.
» ginx2666 on December 4th, 2013, 2:48pm
» RilleL on December 4th, 2013, 2:58pm
[Edit] Never mind, got it to work and it's great! Hopefully this can be continually updated as new groups are added and/or have their information updated.
http://xkcd.com/979/
Anyway, it works fine for now. Crisis averted temporarily, though it's obviously not a long term solution unless the script is updated semi-regularly.
» Transdude1996 on December 4th, 2013, 3:10pm
» rincewind1990 on December 4th, 2013, 3:16pm
» T1 on December 4th, 2013, 2:56pm
So did you?

Anyway it's kinda cool. I'm not gonna make a twitter or facebook crap for my group...the users and the online readers can find it themselves. Kinda really tired of doing extra shit just cuz the leechers are too tired to do it like how we did it before mangaupdates and manganews and mangajouhou

» Transdude1996 on December 4th, 2013, 3:17pm
They send notices and pester a lot of people because they know that they will follow the rules.
» T1 on December 5th, 2013, 4:06am
In this case I just wanna know if they redirected the whoever sent them that mail to NOEZ company or mangareader...if you remove the online readers then 90% of the availability of the manga on the internet will be gone. Instead of just asking them, it's better to put them in jail to make an example of them. The scanlation groups themselves aren't really earning as much and they aren't all over the place making everything available to everyone.
Also let's not forget Google. When you do a search on a manga or just write manga then the first 50 searches (at least) are mangafox, mangahere, mangareader, and so on...
They are actually distributing information about these illegal sites but are Google being stopped in doing that? Noooo, only mangaupdates are going to get the axe...
So whichever idiot is doing this, he's doing it wrong. Go through the right channels to stop this...not through something that makes people seek manga through Google and help those online readers earn money.
» coa88 on December 4th, 2013, 3:10pm
» coa88 on December 4th, 2013, 3:28pm
http://www.mangaupdates.com/groups.html?id=1355
http://www.mangaupdates.com/groups.html?id=1866
http://www.mangaupdates.com/groups.html?id=2204
http://www.mangaupdates.com/groups.html?id=3798
Appears it's this way for groups that had only forum link listed on mu. All of this has to be hand-corrected
» licorice on December 4th, 2013, 3:37pm
» coa88 on December 4th, 2013, 4:04pm
No one was asking for support. I corrected the data that I could find. Thank you Google cache!
Few groups remain that didn't have site or forum link on mu.
» kuroneko003 on December 4th, 2013, 3:49pm
» slyborg on December 4th, 2013, 3:55pm
I can't really fault B-U for doing this given that it's likely they do this without a budget, but it really hurts the utility of the site imho, and I don't think the draconian action taken was necessary. As noted by others, the DMCA has to identify specific infringing content. They could have disabled the links indicated.
» ginx2666 on December 4th, 2013, 4:21pm
It's a tool, not a repository, so I doubt that's illegal.
It harms streaming sites, it harms translators, it is inconvenient... But hey, that's what everyone wanted, right?
» djmaca on December 4th, 2013, 7:06pm
I mainly use it to track all the series I am currently following. It will be a bit bothersome now without the links(I have to google a bit and add the site to my fave) but we'll adapt, eventually.
» hiei_luke on December 4th, 2013, 5:46pm
Sigh~
» jedinat on December 4th, 2013, 6:34pm
» tactics on December 4th, 2013, 6:44pm
[Edit] - Nope. Just ignore me. I realise what's going on now herp derp.
» AquarianDemocrat on December 4th, 2013, 6:49pm
» D_P on December 4th, 2013, 6:56pm
» djmaca on December 4th, 2013, 7:01pm
For one thing, like Pirate Bay, none of it's servers host any files that offend any laws. Two they didn't show the DMCA noticed they received. Usually when this happens, people show the notice on their sites.
So IMO I guess it's time to find another site that alerts people of new releases.
Thanks for your efforts MU all these years(4 years of college + 3 years working = 7 good years!) May the staff have a good rest from it all until they get bored and start the same site all over again(let's all hope that by then they will still be doing it for free).
Cheers.

» Zuan on December 4th, 2013, 7:29pm
In order to quell some of the fury that occurred after our news statement about removing group links, I want to let everyone know that we are having internal discussions currently about whether there are more options available to us.
Due to imminent threats and action taken against our host and the suspension of our paypal account, we had to move quickly to ensure that MU stayed alive. While we do not believe we were contributing to infringement by providing informational and historical links to scanlator websites, we have limited recourse to strong-armed tactics used under DMCA. We are currently discussing code enhancements and policy changes to account for content owned by the organization involved as an alternative to complete removal of links from the website.
We hope to have this situation sorted out in time. Please remember that we still require active site/forum/etc in order to validate releases.
Thank you
The update I was looking for. Thank you for the response and information.
» djmaca on December 4th, 2013, 7:36pm

» kitty1826x on December 4th, 2013, 7:50pm
It's a start in info that they are sharing with us. At least we know they got strong armed into doing something, and they took quick actions to try to keep the site alive. I (and most likely others) thank the staff for keeping the site going.
Since I don't really have any useful advice on their options available. I want to suggest the following posts try to be helpful to the situation, and not more expressions of our anger. ( I mean you could expression your feelings, but I think they got the point that we're upset over this hence the update.)
EDIT: Everything I have read about copyright is pretty much saying that action isn't done unless someone claims said item is not theirs ... I want to say respond to the notice asking who's saying MU is copyrighting.
Maybe check out these Copyright Infringement and Remedies
the Digital Millennium Copyright Act
Personally I think Mu hasn't violated any copyright laws, and should respond to the notice.
» HumanoidInterface on December 4th, 2013, 7:33pm
It's all going to be shitty online readers now.
EDIT: Manick, dump the table/column that holds the group URLs. Let someone else take responsibility for hosting the links
» buenro-olga on December 4th, 2013, 8:07pm
I really love this site but I guess there's always people out there destroying the nice things in life.
» Chayto on December 4th, 2013, 8:26pm
STAY POSITIVE DUDE, STAY POSITIVE.
» wrldtrvlr on December 4th, 2013, 10:09pm
» silent killer on December 4th, 2013, 10:14pm
» fishiiie on December 4th, 2013, 10:23pm
Live on, MU, please live on... :'(
» maskokot on December 4th, 2013, 10:53pm
http://www.durangobill.com/Fight_DMCA_Abuse.html
But you should contact a lawyer if its out of your budget then ask community for help. There has to be a good lawyer among us.
I like that you took the links down right away and then look for long term solution.
YOU WILL PULL THROUGH I HAVE FAITH IN YOU!
» socru on December 5th, 2013, 3:48am
This website provides legal advice and media coverage to help websites hit with abusive DCMA notices. I suggest someone to contact them and tell them all this story. I could do it myself, if you want me. They fight abusive DCMA in courts, and public opinion likes them very much. They could blow this story up and scare your copyright troll.
They even fought PayPal and Amazon in the past, and they are not intimidated easily.
I know fighting back is not an option for you, but copywrong holders will eat your entire hand if you give them one finger, and someone should stand up to them.
Again, http://torrentfreak.com/ has very good legal advisers. Please consider at least informing them about this case. Socru.
» duskyderp on December 5th, 2013, 4:35am
So i ask again what organization filed it?
Also i am really pissed you guy took away both especailly b/c less than 30% of the internet population use twitter and facebook. This due to cultural differencrs and the changes in availability of social media to the world. (Its become less socially available not more in the last 5 years.
,,
I feel like loosing links spells the death of mu,, q-q Q -Q
» Ikari on December 5th, 2013, 4:59am
I mean I'm sorry, manga-updates is hardly the main problem companies face, they should first try to take down various online readers such as mangafox (which has proven difficult).
» _xyz_ on December 5th, 2013, 5:34am
https://www.google.com/search?q=[Name of Scanlation Group]
Wouldn't this be a good alternative? No Copy and Paste. Or is this "illegal", too?
» HumanoidInterface on December 5th, 2013, 6:08am
https://www.google.com/search?q=[Name of Scanlation Group]
Wouldn't this be a good alternative? No Copy and Paste. Or is this "illegal", too?
Several reasons why this would be useless, the most prevalent of which is that new groups would not show up on google searches for a while (if they don't use blogspot).
» taraian on December 5th, 2013, 7:23am
» p00k on December 5th, 2013, 7:49am
or is it the facebook site isn't the one that has the objectionable content on it? it simply has links to the objectionable content. so a link to content is bad, a link to a link to content is ok?
but then by that argument people who use a 3rd party file host, sendspace/mediafire/etc, are in the clear? alternatively if you use a link redirecting service, in theory isn't that ok as well?
oh dmca nazis, logic was never your strong point, huh?
» JohnSteel on December 5th, 2013, 8:34am
Seriously, file an ethics complaint against the lawyer who sent it. They would not dare to go after Facebook, Twitter, Google because they know that they are wrong.
Your cowardly actions just put a target on this site. Now companies know that they can push you around. Bullies target the weak, and you just told every DCMA bully that you are weak. Instead contact organizations like the Electronic Frontier Foundation to help you.
» kitty1826x on December 5th, 2013, 8:57am
Now the difference between Fb, Twitter, and Google is they have money. Where as this site runs off donations. Plus Google does try to stop piracy by taking off websites that have had too many notices off the search page. ( You can google how they are trying to stop piracy from popping up on search, and how they have gotten plenty of copyright suits ).
Honestly something no one has mentioned before is that with the group links being up it is most likely is contributory copyright infringement. [ Which is the other form of indirect infringement, contributory infringement, requires (1) knowledge of the infringing activity and (2) a material contribution -- actual assistance or inducement -- to the alleged piracy.] <- definition from some page about copyright.
Why is the DCMA after Secondary liability sites who knows. Maybe they are treating it as a Vicarious Liability case.
But this whole this is just a mess of gray, and should be fought against.
» imercenary on December 5th, 2013, 9:20am
Its a bullshit law that cant be killed because tou literally need millions of dollars and years of litigation or judicial action to fix.
» TheQwertiest on December 5th, 2013, 9:59am
» imercenary on December 5th, 2013, 10:34am
Its catch-22. Fight it and you'll never win unless you're a billionaire (in which case they won't DMCA you in the first place in fear that you'd actually bring them to court). Or give up (do what they want) and lose by default.
» Transdude1996 on December 5th, 2013, 4:05pm
» T1 on December 5th, 2013, 10:01am
Now the difference between Fb, Twitter, and Google is they have money. Where as this site runs off donations. Plus Google does try to stop piracy by taking off ...
Lies. Cuz I keep seeing the online readers popping up on my searches when I search for a title on google. It's annoying cuz I'm not looking for where to read it and they keep showing that to me. So how come you don't get those search results while I get spammed by results mangahere, mangareader etcetc?
So LIAR!

http://oi39.tinypic.com/33csuqf.jpg
Before someone calls me a liar! lol
» kitty1826x on December 5th, 2013, 10:18am

Hey if your interested you can always read How Google Fights Piracy. I skimmed but I believe in page 13 they stated they relay more on claims of copyright to block those searches. ( Which may be why the reader sites still pop up. Who's claiming the works?)

Edit: someone pointed out the link is broken. just copy and paste the below on Google. It's the 1st one.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwxyRPFduTN2dVFqYml5UENU eUE/edit
» T1 on December 5th, 2013, 10:36am
They've known about manga scanlations for a long time. It would be very weird that Viz, Tokyopop, DarkHorse, etcetc never told them to remove those sites from Google searches. If Google did their job, I don't think we would have to see something like this today. Of course don't think that the japanese company are sending anything to Google.
There's only one guy I know of who's actively doing something his stuff ending on the net. His stuff is taken down very fast too. Like 1-2 days after it's up. The rest could do the same. Though it's the big firms in Japan that needs to take this step.
Chrunchyroll should first start with Google and have them remove the titles they are licensing or rather just tell them to remove those sites from the search results. Google got a filter, just use it.
I don't use mangaupdates to find releases as much as the titles. Ordering them from Japan after knowing what they are about or the genres or the cover...well mu helps me sorting that out. So that would be a loss...
...and that is the weird thing about it. Why aren't they removing the whole site when they can see that the link it from that site?
It makes no sense. I'm cutting the branch cuz the tree is rotten....
» cmertb on December 5th, 2013, 10:30am
Google removes links from searches when DMCA specifies those links.When you search for a manga title, you invariably get a notice that some links aren't shown due to a DMCA complaint. They will not remove the whole online reader, but they will remove links to specific pages on that online reader. So if you get those hits, that means no one has DMCA'ed Google about those specific titles on those specific sites yet.
» Gradonil_Ral on December 5th, 2013, 8:44am
You can just select the group name, right-click and search google, if you have a google search active in your Search Engines bar. Or use Selected Search plugin to be able to choose from the engines you've installed.
You can also bypass the block if the group uses twitter or facebook since the website links will still be available there (and both fb and twitter are still clickable here).
The only groups that might be harder to find are the smaller ones which don't have names unique enough to be placed high in search results. Then again, if they haven't taken that into consideration while choosing their names... well, they've only themselves to blame

» stew00 on December 5th, 2013, 9:38am
» T1 on December 5th, 2013, 9:57am
I mean groups we can make whenever we want and we can even put it out on the online readers for people to read. So if they want to stop it they will either stop sites like these or stop the online readers where people actually go to read their manga. Not that many people download as they did in the past. I'l got with the latter option because that's how you hit the people taking your money. Stopping this site will just result in a new site...also this site isn't doing anything illegal.
» cloudsora on December 5th, 2013, 10:52am
I'm learning japanese so I don't have to deal with this anymore but its REALLY slow the writing system is so foreign... although I have most of the spoken down in no time.
» Suo.Minona on December 5th, 2013, 1:22pm
» T1 on December 5th, 2013, 2:05pm
Anyway, what you say is true. We still haven't been told who it is that are sending the DMCA. It can't be the Japanese government, so is it crunchyroll? Someone else? As long as we don't know who it is or what was written we as users of mangaupdates got no chance to come with inputs to admins/mods of this site.
It makes me sad and emo

» soyokaze on December 5th, 2013, 3:43pm
Goddamn it. Nothing has irritated me this month as much as this situation and the fact that you not only complied just like that, but also informed us post factum about your decision. Please at least publish the DMCA note so that we could take appropriate measures against them.
You are not obliged to take down those links and they know it, that's why they took the "official, scary threat" way - so you would take them down on your own. Why? Because they wouldn't f****ng stand a chance in a court. Besides, they would have to disclose who was the complainant, who will rather pull back than get flamed.
People, get your grip together and don't let anyone abuse you. I have faith in you.
» xtr3m3dude on December 5th, 2013, 5:13pm
Let's try to be understanding guys, the admins can't keep the site running without donations or ads (both dependent on paypal). Give them time to consider options.
» Hanen on December 5th, 2013, 9:11pm
honestly, to those of you who said they would stop using this website... I call BS on you. Mangaupdates is still more convenient than with or without the download links, and group links. Honestly, you guys are blowing this way out of proportion. You can overreact only when they choose to remove manga release updates, and start charging money all together because that is when they go 'too far'. But for now, not having the links is just first world problems...
Now with all that said, this sucks, now I have to put in effort to type in google to find the group's website. Most are easy to find, but others are harder because their group name has ambigious names that could potentially bring up other websites completely unrelated.
I loved this website because I was able to keep one hand on the mouse and just navigate without the effort to of moving my other hand.

» eirini_kl on December 5th, 2013, 10:20pm
» T1 on December 6th, 2013, 2:41am
Also let's not forget the groups whose name changes and the ones whose title never pops up on batoto. I know you are trying to be help but some of us have already thought about this before speaking....even if we do not sound like we did.
I agree with your DMCA reason which is why it would have been great if we could have seen the message. I seem to repeat myself for people and here. If we knew what was written on it maybe we could help finding out how to overcome it together. As you said, there are always ways.

I could hold mine against a legal corporation if I never did anything wrong. As I said before: This is like piratebay just without torrents so if piratebay isn't illlegal, then this site is totally not illegal.
» kitty1826x on December 6th, 2013, 9:29am
- MU is US based (I believe); PB is not. ( I believe it is currently based in the Seychelles, but is still Swedish )
- PB has had A LOT more money than MU. ( Most likely from all the ads)
- PB is ran by an organisation rather than individuals, unlike MU.
PB is technically not illegal
As much as the US likes to step into things that do not concern them, they can't do much about sites where the sever is in a different country.
(going to start talking about something else)
- I started wondering how many notices did MU receive that the DMCA suspended the paypal account to this site. ( To me it seems as if MU got a few of them before that suspension).
- Still wondering who is filing against MU of the copyright.
- Why can't you just have plain text of the groups websites up?
I can understand not having links up, but I believe they can't do anything about plain text.
As I've said in another post on this thread. When it comes copyright violations MU has done nothing wrong. Mu does not give downloads, and doesn't allow info on where to get downloads.
When it comes to Contributory Infringement and Vicarious Liability that is the only way the DMCA may have a case.
For Vicarious Liability, it would be thrown out as this is a free site, with free membership, and no profits are made. Only donations to keep the site running (Which I assume is mainly for the domain name).
For Contributory Infringement, the person(or group I guess) that's making the claim against MU has to prove that MU has knowledge that the links they share lead to downloads of unauthorized material. Also MU does not encourage downloads which contributory infringement need the person to induce the illegal activity. [ For anyone interested in reading about [url=http://www.copyright.gov/docs/regstat072204.html ]Contributory Infringement and Vicarious Liability [/url] or go to the home page of that site for more copyright info]
To wrap this up MU has done nothing wrong when it comes to copyright, and the methods DMCA used should not have been used. ( Really am wondering if other notices were sent and ignored ...)
» Great on December 5th, 2013, 11:06pm

I was already following manga from the era even before IRC (gotlurk) got dominant, so I dont think this would affect much. BUT, if MangaUpdates is gone entirely, now thats a tough one. But I wouldnt have any place to react because this forum would also gone, right?

So enough talk, brace yourself, and just take it as a manga lover, we will find the way.

» Reyalsdog on December 5th, 2013, 11:59pm
» soyokaze on December 6th, 2013, 8:39am
» Reyalsdog on December 6th, 2013, 3:00pm
Well, duh. It either MU staff should make add-on for browsers from this and update constantly, or at least update script itself, or it won't work in a long term and for masses of dumb people. But I don't see any enthusiasm about this from MU staff at all, or we already would have all of this by now.
For now you yourself can update groups who matter to you:
1. Open script in notepad or whatever.
2. Ctrl+F number of group's page.
3. Change old URL to new.
4. Save.
or add new (if you know/find their site URL):
1. Open script in notepad or whatever.
2. Add number of group's page and URL.
3. Save.
» Psychameleon on December 6th, 2013, 1:07am
(and well, there's this script too, thanks to anon)
» Diokhan on December 6th, 2013, 3:32am
unless it's explicitly stated otherwise, as i see it, there's just no big difference whether or not a group's address is being put up for show; if you have it up (again, without it linking to their site) , users can copy/paste up on the url bar. otherwise, users can simply google for the group to access their site.
the only difference here is that the former is slightly more convenient (made even more convenient with the help of certain add-ons/extensions) than the latter.
» Gradonil_Ral on December 6th, 2013, 11:58am
1. Install this: http://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/batoto-groups/
2. Activate the Batoto Groups search in your browser's bar for search engines.
3. Select a group's name (here or anywhere else on the net).
4. Right-click and click on [Search Batoto Groups for "<your-selection"]
5. Choose the group you want from the list that shows up (depends on how common the name is) and visit their website.
You can also use this addon to be able to choose from more then one search engine at once:
http://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/selected-search/
And this one to be able to automatically make your own "search engines" for your browser (without installing each one separately):
http://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/add-to-search-bar /
» CuteManabi on December 6th, 2013, 5:17pm
What they have demanded is pretty blatantly unconstitutional on its face, and you need legal help ASAP. You should contact the EFF, read this page here. If they won't take the case personally, they will offer to refer it to their mailing list. I have a friend who's had to do this once, he got contacted by a first amendment lawyer offering pro-bono advice within a few days. They were immensely helpful and nothing ever came of the threat.
Don't let them get away with this, this is the kind of thing first amendment lawyers love to fight against. Your site has already taken actions to make it not be a source of piracy (removing download links, which happened a long time ago). And don't think this will be the end of it. These types of organizations are never satisfied. They WILL be back with further demand in the future. Contact the EFF, get a lawyer on your side, and put a stop to it.
As a side note: These types of threats tend to vanish really, really quickly when they find out you have a lawyer who knows what they're doing. They prey on the weak and uninformed counting on people not knowing their rights and not having the money to get a lawyer. That's why the EFF exists, and why many lawyers are willing to help pro-bono to stop this crap.
» Volos on December 6th, 2013, 6:52pm
I don't know many people that would take a case like this totally pro bono, that is, without even a little non-profit funding support. You're talking $20k easy just to handle all the federal filings and get the thing set up for trial. The hope would be after you get to that point you can settle, as going to trial is going to cost a lot more.
You might get some council to write an angry letter or two and give you some very good specific advice pro bono, and again you should start looking to local to where ever you are. More than the EFF, which does a lot of good, I recommend you check out your local ACLU chapter.
And now that we are all talking about how much all these things cost, I also recommend people think about putting their money where their mouth is as soon as a donation mechanism is working. Again a law firm can set an escrow pretty easily for this.
While you are at it, donate to the EFF and ACLU for exactly the same reason. Posting here is easy. Giving online is hard. I bet we can find a manga that deals with choosing the hard path...
» aagcnet on December 7th, 2013, 11:01am

» laxarus on December 11th, 2013, 7:17pm
» imercenary on December 13th, 2013, 11:51am
» laxarus on December 17th, 2013, 10:36am
What i dont get is why are those damnable online readers r still active whereas the group links of MU which are insignificant compared to what the online readers are doing are removed? It's damn infuriating. I am certain those ppl who filed the complaint are either need a serious mental check or plain idiots. One more thing may be that they see MU as an easier target.

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