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New Poll - Trump
We don't usually do polls related to politics, but as yuuki16 suggested, I think it's time...

You can submit poll ideas here (and try to keep them manga/anime-related)
http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=3903

Previous Poll Results:
Question: Do you read manga in the bathroom?
Choices:
I sit there for a while and just read - votes: 1864 (28.6%)
Maybe just a few minutes at a time - votes: 1902 (29.2%)
Ew. No way - votes: 2749 (42.2%)
There were 6515 total votes.
The poll ended: November 12th 2016

Keep it clean!
Posted by lambchopsil on November 12th 2:28am Comments ( 108 )  [ View ]  [ Add ]
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» unya on November 12th, 2016, 1:54am

Probably a better result than if it was Hillary, so I guess it's fine by me.

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» Katsono on November 12th, 2016, 1:55am

This poll seems quite biased. Why is there nothing concerning Clinton and the fact she's barely any better? Or about how fucked up the two-party system is?

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» train93 on November 12th, 2016, 3:08am

For the first question, it's because she didn't win. For the second one, it's because this is a manga site, don't expect a deep political analysis here.

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» takeva on November 12th, 2016, 5:18am

Biased how? Trump won, why mention Clinton. She is no longer relevant after losing. The poll is basically trying to see how everyone feels about him winning....

Chill.

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» Nekore on November 12th, 2016, 8:18pm

He sucks, she sucks. Even if Trump may not want to go to war the republicans sure will, and he will be terrible with the enviroment, even if Hillary would be a dangerous not enough.

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» silvarion on November 12th, 2016, 3:41am

hey hey, you forgot one option: who/what is trump? is it a football team, is it a name of some brand?, is it someone's name here in mangaupdates? well, since I don't know, I choose Don't care.

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» DracMonster on November 13th, 2016, 8:03am

You've... never heard of Donald Trump? Even if you're not from the US, I'm having a little difficulty believing that.

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» Anima on November 12th, 2016, 4:01am

Hillary is the lesser evil if I might say.

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» unya on November 12th, 2016, 10:19am

Didn't you miswrite Trump? Hillary is a third wave feminist and this is why she was much more dangerous than Trump.

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» residentgrigo on November 12th, 2016, 10:29am

She was a Second-wave feminist and what you mean is Fourth-wave feminism.
Please keep your random hate speech straight and on point, ok?

(Hillary wasn´t likable but she at least had a game plan. One that didn´t contradict the functioning one from the last 8 years. Trump though contradicts himself multiple times a day and isn´t even a politician.)

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» unya on November 12th, 2016, 2:17pm

I'm sorry but how am I "hating"? Can you stop calling people "haters" just because they fear Hillary?
I'm just stating my fear of her banning things I like, like Bush used to try.

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» GGpX on November 12th, 2016, 4:43am

Will abstain vote as there isn't a "Lesser of two evils" or a "Probably not as terrible as most people think he'll be" option.

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» Nekore on November 12th, 2016, 8:20pm

I would really like that the ballot said if voters were for or agains Trump and Hillary.

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» Trimutius on November 12th, 2016, 4:52am

I actually came to work to US just this week... But i would come either, no matter who won. So probably "Don't care" is my option. If he doesn't cancel NAFTA agrrements and/or my TN1 visa I don't care.

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» Calamansi on November 12th, 2016, 5:09am

I'm with the #notmypresident crowd, harassment and assault committed in his name began long before Don.T became president and has escalated dramatically now that he's America's president elect. And only a minute fraction of it makes the news. My friend back in Texas reported that a Muslim acquaintance of hers has been threatened on the street with gun violence FIVE times, and this wasn't even two days after the election results.

And still, silence on his part in denouncing any of that hate. If he wants any semblance of a unified country, he's going to have to reject the alt-right and those who see his nomination as some sort of free pass to attack, terrorize, and threaten minorities, Muslims, women, and LGBT+ people. Of course, considering how the Deplorables constituted a considerable portion of his vote, and what little regard he has for marginalized and disadvantaged people, I doubt that will be the case.

My only consolation is that I highly doubt manga and anime depictions of Trump will be flattering. And that I'm currently far, far away in Japan.

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» Jelise on November 12th, 2016, 8:22pm

This has, also, happened to a lot of people I know who were Trump supporters in Democratic states. It's not as simple as people in general and #notmypresident and Clexit are making it out to seem, and to vilify a whole group of people who aren't part of it simply because they're ignorant doesn't help.

EDIT: For the record, I didn't support anyone on the Republican side. I was a Bernie and Stein supporter but ended up voting Hillary, so no, I'm not in support of Trump. I'm just opposed to the biased rhetoric that keeps going on. This, "Acknowledge only the good!" of one side, while people refrain from seeing that actions like this are limited to a select group of Trump supporters.

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» Calamansi on November 12th, 2016, 9:38pm

The "Deplorables" I was referring to in my comment were the people Clinton was talking about when she made her original statement:

"To just be grossly generalistic, you can put half of Trump supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables," Clinton said. "Right? Racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic, you name it."

And then she went on to "described the rest of his supporters as people who are looking for change in any form because of economic anxiety and urged her supporters to empathize with them" - CNN.

Was her statement a political blunder? Yes. Was it a gross hyperbole? I can't say I know. It just doesn't make sense to me why well-meaning people would choose Trump as their anti-establishment, pro-working class American champion over Bernie Sanders, unless some sort of bias was crippling their decision-making processes and they could turn a blind eye to Trump's divisive rhetoric. There is a blurred line between ignorance and flat-out apathy towards the safety of some of your fellow Americans in casting a vote for Trump.

I haven't heard of any attacks on Trump supporters going on, but I'll take your word for it, though I highly doubt they're as common or severe as what blacks, Muslims, Hispanics, etc. are now facing. In addition, you are wrong to equate what is happening to those Trump supporters you know with what Trump's most unsavory supporters are doing to other people.

Trump supporters are profiling. They are lashing out at people for their very existence, not their (apparently vocal) decision to vote for a bigot who was endorsed by the KKK (whether out of ignorance or not). 65% of Latinos who voted cast their ballot for Clinton, but the Trumpets don't bother to ask their victims if they're a part of the other third before they threaten them to leave "their" country.

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» Jelise on November 12th, 2016, 10:38pm

First, you're assuming a final vote for Trump = not having supported Bernie at all, and that's wrong. Thing is that if you are from a different party or independent, you can't vote in another party's nominations. Some Republicans even switched party allegiances to vote Sanders in the primary, but just because others didn't doesn't mean that there wasn't support from them. In fact, I previously posted this reply:

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To this, all I have to say is that I live in Texas, in a district so rural that the nearest city of more than 100 thousand people is 3 hours away by drive. If we were to talk about major city, it's 8 hours or more depending on how you travel. My nearest town only has 8 thousand people. That being said, there were Bernie support signs EVERYWHERE there. He's the only candidate that promised them anything BESIDES Trump, and Trump seemed so unrealistic that Bernie's socialism seemed better placed. Bernie's promises seemed more possible.


Is it completely anecdotal? Yes, and I'm not going to argue against that, but if a rural Texas town has Bernie supporters, what does that say about the rest of the United States especially those swing states Hillary was banking on and lost? So when Bernie didn't get the nomination, it was between choosing a person who had sexist, racist, and xenophobic rhetoric but still put a significant emphasis on their concerns, or someone who embodied everything they hated (baring that her policies were actually more beneficial to them, but let's not get into that). That's assuming they even voted as a lot of Bernie supports chose apathy over voting.

I never said it was as severe or common as the attacks on minorities. I never said it's equivalent to the sexism, racism, xenophobia ect. that the more violent Trump supporters are exhibiting. You made that connection yourself. What I said is that violence has happened to Trump supporters, and it's not as simple as Hillary supporters are making it seem. Besides, this painting of all Trump supporters as violent and regressive doesn't HELP. It makes it an us versus them thing. It just pushes them further from whatever you would want them to do and makes them more adamant that they are correct instead of wanting to learn your point of view.

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» Calamansi on November 13th, 2016, 12:05am

Quote from Jelise
First, you're assuming a final vote for Trump = not having supported Bernie at all, and that's wrong.


No I'm not...? I know a lot of Bernie Bros threatened to vote for Trump, and some either fulfilled their promise or voted third party or stayed home. My point was that a final vote for Trump = a vote for a bigot supported by the KKK. And as I made in a previous post, the "anti-establishment" motivation isn't an excuse, he chose Mike Pence as his running mate, and a slew of odious, establishment-entrenched Republicans are in the running for his cabinet positions. So much for draining out the muck of Washington's swamp, he only did so to find the gnarliest of the alligators and hand pick them for the shady zoo our country's about to become.

When I expressed my consternation over the support Trump had over Sanders, I was referring to the whole election process, specifically the primaries. Trump drew far more people to the polls during the primaries than Sanders. Clinton won the majority of the Democratic vote in swing states of Florida and Ohio, and also won Pennsylvania, Arizona, and the Carolinas, states that people hoped would turn/ stay blue. In all of the states I've mentioned, Trump managed to entice more people to vote for him during the primaries than Sanders, even though he was running against more than 3x the amount of candidates in his own party.

Quote from Jelise
Is it completely anecdotal? Yes, and I'm not going to argue against that, but if a rural Texas town has Bernie supporters, what does that say about the rest of the United States especially those swing states Hillary was banking on and lost?


It's futile to linger on what-ifs, but there are multiple facts that go against your argument. I also live in Texas. We talked a lot about the election in my speech class, and I had to sit through an 8 min+ presentation by a student who honestly thought Bernie Sanders would be the world's next Stalin. As he walked through the rows to sit back down, people whispered what a great job he did.

Many working class people in America really, really don't like socialism, and are suspicious of the "democratic socialism" Sanders espoused. A single election alone would not have been enough time to change their views on a whole political ideology.

And, well, you can see for yourself the kinds of numbers Sanders was able to bring to the polls in those oh-so-crucial swing states compared to Trump from the onset.

Quote from Jelise
So when Bernie didn't get the nomination, it was between choosing a person who had sexist, racist, and xenophobic rhetoric but still put a significant emphasis on their concerns, or someone who embodied everything they hated (baring that her policies were actually more beneficial to them, but let's not get into that).


Please, let's get into that. It's another reason for my suspicions that, in the end, those who cast their ballot for Trump did so because they had hate in their hearts that resonated with his, a fear that the America concerned with protecting their social privilege was on the decline. Not all of them, but a considerable number, particularly the ones who, I feel I must reiterate, flocked to vote for Trump in numbers far exceeding Bernie's supporters during the primaries.

Quote from Jelise
What I said is that violence has happened to Trump supporters, and it's not as simple as Hillary supporters are making it seem. Besides, this painting of all Trump supporters as violent and regressive doesn't HELP.


Again, I was referring to the Deplorables as the one who made such attacks who, as I mentioned in my original post, "constituted a considerable portion of his vote". I don't condone violence unless it's in self-defense, and I agree that launching assaults on people who admit they voted for Trump doesn't help. Please don't use me as your effigy for venting out your frustrations with Clinton supporters who can't muster the compassion or energy to look kindly upon people who voted for a man that poses as a serious threat to the civil rights of themselves or their loved ones.

*EDIT: messed up my links. Should work now.

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» Nekore on November 13th, 2016, 2:13pm

It may not be an hyperbole at all, a video that talked about that mentioned some opinion polls of Trump supporters, including a lot still believing Obama wasn't american amongst other deplorable things.

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» misc on November 12th, 2016, 5:10am

This election truly has brought to light the most cancerous parts in any community, including this one. In a twisted and convoluted-coping-mechanism way of thinking, perhaps it actually has a silver lining on an individual basis: vile bigots in disguise behind civil fronts have finally revealed themselves as the pests whose opinions can now be easily be written off in any discussion, either because logic and evidence don't seem to have any effect on their reasoning or just simply because they're human pos smooching off this earth's resources and wasting space with their existence

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» takeva on November 12th, 2016, 5:25am

Politics has and will always bring out the worst in people. This isn't anything new...

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» misc on November 12th, 2016, 7:02am

Quote from takeva
I'm a democrat and I pretty much gave up after Bernie was cheated. After that the whole thing felt like a circus. I didn't vote because I don't care. Actually I laughed when Trump won. I think the next 4 years is going to be exciting~! It's really unpredictable what he will actually do. I think ever ...



Yeah no sh*t it's gonna be "unpredictable" when your president-elect has never once actually discussed in depth what he's going to do with the country, probably because he has no idea what he's even doing and all this parade was just intended to be some elaborate advertisement for his brand?
You'd rather stay butthurt that your precious leader lost and refuse to listen to his plea to save the country and vote for HRC? Your edgy attitude has not only plunged your country into the hands of a toddler playing house, but also driven hundreds of millions of people's lives to face real threats? You may have the privilege to "not care" because your snobby ass doesn't get affected by the consequences that follow, but gloating about how you have the ability to endanger fellow human beings makes you a pos and nothing else you say can prove otherwise.



Quote from takeva
Politics has and will always bring out the worst in people. This isn't anything new...



This election takes the cake, though, because there has never been such an overtly vile and incompetent candidate for the most powerful position on earth to date, and yet a quarter of the eligible-to-vote population declared they tolerate or even worship this failure of evolution as long as their status as above "lesser human species" gets protected, while double that amount of people (you included) simply lack the intelligence, or worse empathy, to see how alarming not voting against him will be and decided to not cast their votes or vote for a 3rd party. Yeah it isn't new that people are the cancer of earth, but it hasn't ever been clearer and more depressingly apparent before this election.

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» takeva on November 12th, 2016, 1:03pm

LOL glad you know a lot about me. 1.) My vote would not have mattered. Why? Because Hillary won my state. MD/DC. I know the people here aren't stupid. So keep saying it's my fault I didn't vote. Come on. What could I have possibly done to prevent this? 2) I'm an African American female. Not white if you were assuming like I think you are.

Again, nothing has happened yet and you all act like the world is ending. Chill the hell out until something actually does happened. Losing your shit over "a stupid pos" like me is sad. He won, he is your president, and there is nothing anyone can do. Deal with it. Protesting and destroying people's property is childish and make democrats look really bad.

Like I said, the next 4 years are going to be entertaining... smile

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» takeva on November 12th, 2016, 5:15am

I'm a democrat and I pretty much gave up after Bernie was cheated. After that the whole thing felt like a circus. I didn't vote because I don't care. Actually I laughed when Trump won. I think the next 4 years is going to be exciting~! It's really unpredictable what he will actually do. I think everyone is being over-dramatic and needs to chill the hell out. I bet you some of those people who are rioting probably didn't even vote or voted 3rd party. Get over it because he is your president. bigrazz

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» Sari90 on November 12th, 2016, 11:50am

"I think everyone is being over-dramatic and needs to chill the hell out."

Tell the people who are actually getting attacked by Trump supporters. Tell that to people whos families can be torn apart at any moment. Tell that to people who's rights are going to get taken away.

People fear Trump, but they fear his VP the most.

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» takeva on November 12th, 2016, 12:38pm

I haven't seen any real facts about people getting attacked by real trump supporters. All I've seen is made up stories. Oh and seriously, I could go attack someone right now and say I did it in the name of Obama or Hillary. Will that be their fault to?

Nothing has even happened yet and already your world has ended. Trump doesn't even have any real power to do what he said he'll do. Illegal immigrant families have been torn apart before Trump was a candidate. So keep blaming him for that just because he said he'll build the wall and get them out. Which I doubt he'll do. I laughed at that to. He's going to be a puppet at best just like Hillary would have been. I will admit his VP awful but If people fear him, they need to stop saying they will assassinate Trump because who do they think will get power after Trump dies. I doubt him or his VP will get the major crap they talked about done in 4 years.

Let's pray the DNC doesn't shoot themselves in the foot next time~ laugh
If Bernie would have been the Dem nominee none of this would have happened. Blame the DNC for screwing you over. Like I said. Don't care. My vote wouldn't have mattered anyway. Clinton won in my state. When the sky actually does start falling, that's when I'll start protesting.


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» mikako17 on November 12th, 2016, 3:13pm

Quote from takeva
I haven't seen any real facts about people getting attacked by real trump supporters.

Do you think that high schoolers writing hate graffiti supporting Trump on school walls, or real people denied services because of the color of their skin isn't an attack? Even if you say these things have been done before or that there are always incidents like this, I don't think you can say that the amount of incidents haven't increased because of Trump winning. Being able to laugh, and being excited, at the fact that people's lives are going to be a lot harder because of Trump's open racism and misogyny is privilege; being a person of color doesn't mean you're not privileged. I'm a poc first gen American and I know I am in a lot of ways.

And if you think Trump won't be able to do anything, just think about his cabinet. He'll be picking those people and those are not people you want head of the DOJ or anything else.

Also you don't know that none of this would have happened if Bernie had been the nominee, you only believe and hope so. Yeah, there were polls, put look at how wrong they were about Clinton and Trump. Saying that is just another way of saying I was right and you were wrong so ha ha. Btw, my state and my vote, went to Sanders in the primaries and Clinton in the gen. election.

TL;DR. Yeah, I'm not really #notmypresident, because well, he is since I'm American, he just doesn't represent any of my values at all. So I went with protest, secede, revolt, because I believe in doing something about the future of this country, if not specifically anything about Trump 'cause I can't. So not really protesting, seceding, or revolting, but definitely getting more involved with community and my state Democratic party. Looking towards 2018 even though that's probably gonna be rough too.

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» residentgrigo on November 12th, 2016, 6:03pm

Who knows who put these up but having Trump related Swastikas on the anniversary of the Kristallnacht is an ominous sign to say the least.
User Posted Image
http://www.jta.org/2016/11/10/news-opinion/united-states/trump -themed-swastika-graffiti-found-in-upstate-new-york

About this "social justice" is a bad thing (thx. Gamergate, you failed misogyny movement):
Siting on tumber all day and doing nothing in the end is pointless, especially if you troll others yourself, but dragging Gandhi, Martin Luther King, the Suffragette women (these 1st wave feminists gained women the right to vote!) or Jesus (if you believe in him) though the mud is worse and less intellectual than supporting Trump. You mental neanderthals are the true victims...

My country had a female leader since 2005 and she is currently serving her 3rd term.
We tend to be in top positions in best places to live lists. Especially regarding equality.
Cough i am not white and ended up with a government job and a free college education i am currently enjoying. Her open borders policy isn´t quite working (i mostly support it) and she is now mocked as a failing Mother Teresa. That is kind of amazing and i somewhat stared to respect her, despite never voting for her. We also don´t have a 2 party system, despite having 2 "big" parties, as even they need to form coalitions.
Hillary is only half the woman Merkel is and she wasn´t the best of choices but you wouldn´t see me posting Nazi symbols now! I don´t think that the US would be going though such a international PR disaster if she won and we would have gotten another poll too.

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» takeva on November 13th, 2016, 5:42am

Quote from mikako17
Do you think that high schoolers writing hate graffiti supporting Trump on school walls, or real people denied services because of the color of their skin isn't an attack? Even if you say these things have been done before or that there are always incidents like this, I don't think you can say that ...



Hold on. Now you are putting words in my mouth... I never said why I laughed and why I think the next four years will be exciting. You are just assuming, just like you are assuming things will be bad under Trumps presidency.

Racism is still the same as it always has been. I've been called a nigger and heard other black kids like myself being called the same when I use to live in a area dominated by whites. I've experienced racism pretty much all my life but I still believe in people. It's just now people are pointing it out more and saying it's Trumps fault.

What I believe right now is that nothing, you or the so called Trump supporters, believe will happen, won't happen. Yes, I would have preferred Hillary but we got Trump. If it does happen, and I don't like it, then I join the protest to get him out of office. What people are doing now is just making Hillary supporters look bad. They are literately burning the streets and destroying peoples personal belongings. How is anyone suppose to see what Trump supporters are doing when Hillary's supporters are in the limelight being stupid? Hillary supporters even fabricated a crime against a gay man done by supposed Trump supporters. Like seriously...?

Oh and the reason I laughed when he won. All those states that filled up red? All those white women and men voting for him. Showed a lot. People think America is this great place and that the BLM movement was just black people believing something that wasn't true. Black people and apologetic whites were the only ones thinking that racism still exist even though the evidence is in front of everyone.

Oh and a lot of black people are racist also but the excuse for that is because we went through a lot in our past. Can't fight hate with more hate. Just makes thing worst.

I will and always believe Bernie would have won, had the DNC not chosen Hillary instead. Hope so? How can I hope for something that can't happen now? That hope was already crushed. The polls still showed that Hillary got more votes but just not in each individual state. She still was more popular than Trump. A lot of young voters just refused to vote for her and voted third party instead. All those votes were votes that would have been for Bernie. Have you not heard them screaming that if you like Bernie vote for Jill? They kept saying she wanted what Bernie wanted. And a bunch of people wrote in Bernie's name as well.


Anyway, the US is in for some changes. What type of changes that will occur is the exciting part. bigrazz

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» gwkimmy on November 14th, 2016, 11:26pm

Well they already basically proposed tax increases on middle class single parents so we have that to look forward to, not to mention a Republican congress to zing that bill into law.

Obvi racism exists but no reason to be petty when it can be written into the goddamn laws again. Grow up.

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» Dumber on November 12th, 2016, 5:35am

TRUMP!!

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» RoxFlowz on November 12th, 2016, 5:50am

I'd love to say I couldn't care less, but seeing how he might do irreversible damage to this earth I am quite concerned. We'll see how this plays out.

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» KaoriNite on November 12th, 2016, 5:53am

Glad Hillary didn't win. I consider myself a progressive so I hated how Hillary screwed Bernie out of the nomination. I've been living out of the country the past couple of years, and just when I started planning to move back this happens. no

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» Calamansi on November 12th, 2016, 6:49am

Quote from KaoriNite
Glad Hillary didn't win. I consider myself a progressive so I hated how Hillary screwed Bernie out of the nomination. I've been living out of the country the past couple of years, and just when I started planning to move back this happens. no


>Progressive
>Glad Hillary, who was pushed further to the left during this election, who was endorsed and vigorously campaigned for by Sanders himself, didn't win, which implies
------>Glad Trump, whose platform is far more conservative/ regressive than Clinton's and Sander's DID win. You can even compare Clinton's and Trump's stances on issues using BBC's analysis.

The whole "anti-establishment" push doesn't even work in this case. As we speak, Trump is assembling a team of Washington's old faces - the likes of Sarah Palin, Gingrich, Giuliani - to run his cabinet.

This is horseshoe theory at its finest. Dear Lord. As someone who voted for Sanders in the primaries, I was offended by the frequent comparisons Hillary supporters would make between us and Trump supporters, but now I'm sad to admit I see where they were coming from. Willful ignorance and spite taints both sides. roll eyes

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» KaoriNite on November 12th, 2016, 6:56pm

Sorry if my comment wasn't clear, but I'm definitely not glad Trump won. I'm completely disgusted that Trump won. But for me, the only silver lining in this situation is that Clinton didn't win.

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» The Guy on November 12th, 2016, 6:58am

Well, I guess the yanks couldn't let the Brits out stupid them, ubelievable that people actually voted for that racist oompa loompa. I honestly hope Trump doesn't decide to nuke someone just because they said something mean about him on twitter.

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» Suxinn on November 12th, 2016, 7:53am

I think I've already made my position pretty clear in the "Things that made me frown today..." thread about Trump. (And I agree with the poster who said it's brought out the worst in every community. I think that's one of the saddest parts of this affair--seeing how many people legitimately support him and have taken to doing terrible things in his name.)

And, I'm not a fan of Clinton (I actually voted Green Party this election, since I come from the majority Democratic state of California, and I wanted to invest in a solution to break the two-party stranglehold), but I do admit that she's the "lesser of two evils" in this case. And, well, the one that the majority of people actually voted for. I was fully prepared to be miffed when Clinton won the presidency, but now I'm terrified that Trump has.

His terrible rhetoric notwithstanding, Trump has no idea how to run a country. He has no idea how to even run most of his businesses. And if that means Mike Pence will have to take the reigns... Oh jeez, I thought Trump sounded bad, but Pence literally sounds like he's evil incarnate.

So, uh, mostly I'm afraid. But the protests have been giving me hope. They don't seem to be in any danger of dying down, and I hope they'll be able to carry this momentum and somehow stop Trump from being sworn in. Somehow.

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» residentgrigo on November 12th, 2016, 8:17am

Read this list by Michael Moore, follow the guidelines and hope for the best:
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/michael-moore-anti-trump-d o-list
Here is the most important:
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Prepare to impeach Trump. Just as the Republicans were already planning to do with President Hillary Clinton from day one, we must organize the apparatus that will bring charges against him when he violates his oath and breaks the law—and then we must remove him from office.

PS: I just saw the sizable "Don't care" numbers. Sorry but you are idiots. This will affect your country too.

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» Suxinn on November 12th, 2016, 8:32am

Yeah, I've seen it, and I think it's actually possible that Trump could be impeached (especially since he already has a class-action lawsuit against him lined up for later this month). But what I'm worried about in that case is: will Pence succeed Trump as president? Since the guy is scarier than Trump and a politician who knows how to put his desired policies in place. Unless we manage to get rid of Trump's entire cabinet in one fell swoop... I'm not sure how the U.S. (or any other country, come to think of it) will look come the next election cycle.

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» takeva on November 13th, 2016, 5:49am

I think Pence will take over if Trump is impeached. I think that's when everyone should probably be scared. I think people should seriously think about giving Trump a chance.

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» Suxinn on November 13th, 2016, 6:35am

Quote from takeva
I think Pence will take over if Trump is impeached. I think that's when everyone should probably be scared. I think people should seriously think about giving Trump a chance.

I think Pence will have the same amount of power whether he's president or not. Trump already hinted that he's leaving a lot of things up to Pence since he isn't a politician.

And I really don't see a difference between Trump's ideas and Pence's. Pence is scarier only because he knows how to actually enact them. They're equally horrific people, in my opinion, and I'd really rather prepare for the fallout rather than simply hope that he turns out to be better than I imagined. I'm a pessimist so that when things go bad, I won't be caught unaware, and if things go well, I can be pleasantly surprised.

(I can't believe I'm saying this, but... I wish Kasich had taken up Trump's offer of the VP position. Kasich is at least a moderate, and a populist who believes in state's rights first and foremost. Pence is... indescribably frightening.)

And while I can understand what folks are saying are a "cycle of hatred," I'm not going to blame folks for the ways in which they're expressing their (very valid) anger and pain. At the risk of falling into the No True Scotsman fallacy, I have to say that, from what I can tell, most Trump protestors are attempting explicitly peaceful protests. There are riots, sure, but they seem to be more the exception rather than the rule. (And as someone who has participated in a few protests herself, I've seen how non-protestors have taken advantage of protests to start things up and steal, so I'm liable to give these folks the benefit of the doubt.)

Also, as someone else has mentioned, the anger directed at Trump and his supporters is no way comparable to hate crimes, since the latter has centuries of oppressive history behind it. History that has since become embedded in modern society via insidious forms of structural racism. Racism which, if the past few days is any indication, is about to get a lot worse.

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» takeva on November 13th, 2016, 6:55am

Quote from Suxinn
I think Pence will have the same amount of power whether he's president or not. Trump already hinted that he's leaving a lot of things up to Pence since he isn't a politician.

And I really don't see a difference between Trump's ideas and Pence's. Pence is scarier only because he knows how to actua ...


See you, you are someone I can agree with. I actually get what you are actually trying to tell me.

There have been a good amount of peaceful protests and the media does over-exaggerate crap. I should have remembered this. And I should have remembered the protest done in Baltimore recently with people using it as a chance to destroy and steal from their own innocent people.

Ah, but when did I say the anger directed at Trump and his supporters are comparable or worst than past and present hate crimes? Unless you were mentioning something someone else said? All I said was we shouldn't fight hate with hate.

Yes, it might get worse and people will finally see and hopefully people of different color can come together. Not just BLM people. It should really be all lives matter. Muslims pretty much face the same stereotype and discrimination as black people.

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» Suxinn on November 13th, 2016, 7:07am

Quote from takeva
Ah, but when did I say the anger directed at Trump and his supporters are comparable or worst than past and present hate crimes? Unless you were mentioning something someone else said? All I said was we shouldn't fight hate with hate.

Yes, that bit was directed at someone else. Sorry I didn't make that clear.

Quote from takeva
It should really be all lives matter. Muslims pretty much face the same stereotype and discrimination as black people.

I don't agree with using that sentiment, since it's been co-opted so much by conservative whites as to downplay antiblack racism. I do agree that Muslims face terrible discrimination, though, but Islamophobia is a whole different beast than antiblackness. It's rooted in partial racism (anti-Arab sentiment), but the difficult bit is that not all Arabs are Muslim and not all Muslims are Arabs. They're just so often conflated as the same that it becomes an issue.

We definitely should have a rallying call for fighting against Islamophobia, though. But I think making it similar to BLM will ultimately end up obscuring the issue more than helping it. Muslims face their own unique form of discrimination, and so any protests should reflect that, I think.

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» residentgrigo on November 12th, 2016, 8:10am

There are no clear choices for me present, i but settled on This sucks, even though I don't live in the US . Trump is about as great as Hitler on paper BUT he 100% deserved to win.
I wasn´t even that surprised. The public has spoken, and the country that "needed" 8 years of Bush (now regarded as one of the worst president of all time) deserves up to 8 years of him. You made your bed, and now you lie in it.
The US German politics are about to fall apart btw, before he was even inaugurated.
Our Secretary of State openly despised him for example! He is more of me on Trump: https://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?page=20&t id=45045
PS: This was the best possible outcome for my enjoyment of South Park though.
At least 4 years of President Garrison. Oh, Jeez.

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» motoharu-chan on November 12th, 2016, 8:57am

only hope left is to wait and vote in the 2018 mid term elections and try to flip the senate and the house so that drumpf can't do anything more stupid. Until then i guess donate to pro-women, pro-earth, pro-immigrant, anti-bigotry organizations and protest.

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» Reyalsdog on November 12th, 2016, 9:02am

This is dumb.

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» residentgrigo on November 12th, 2016, 10:08am

A bit of history: List of United States Presidents by net worth
List of United States Presidents by net worth
The ultra wealthy and popular George Washington needs to be mentioned but look at Honest Abe. He is one of the very "poorest", yet is seen as one if the finest world leaders of all time. This is the type of man you need to vote for and Bernie Sanders says hello.
Trump though has 465,5 times the net worth of Obama (a very solid leader with a broken senate and a crazy amount of inherited problems by Bush) and 3700 the net worth of Lincoln. Trump even has 3 times the money Washington had, that is... worrying.
The KKK hated Lincoln and they love Trump. Next time, vote against the KKK (even if the alternative is subpar). 19th century America managed that for example!

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» QuasarX on November 12th, 2016, 10:42am

The Democrats won when the Republican party leadership rigged the primaries against Ron Paul, so it's no surprise that the Republicans won when the Democratic party leadership rigged the primaries against Bernie Sanders. People of all political leanings are sick of the corruption.

As a country, Trump isn't the president we need, but he's the president we deserve. I expect the country to suffer, but at least there's an opportunity for people to learn from the mistakes that brought us to this point.

Personally, I didn't want either Trump or Hillary to win, but I did find a bit of catharsis in seeing some people who have made careers out of spewing hypocrisy and hatred flip out over the election results (I won't name names).

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» erin on November 12th, 2016, 11:55am

I was physically sick thinking about who will be the new President.. and I don't even live in the United States
sad

Quote from KaoriNite
Glad Hillary didn't win. I consider myself a progressive so I hated how Hillary screwed Bernie out of the nomination.


Let me guess: you're not black, nor muslim, nor gay... I said well?
Certainly Trump is less terrifying, if you're in a "protected category"
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» KaoriNite on November 12th, 2016, 7:00pm

Wrong on all fronts: I'm a black, bisexual, and atheist woman. And I'm not glad Trump won either. Sorry my comment was so confusing.

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» residentgrigo on November 12th, 2016, 12:29pm

I just saw this: 9/11: never forget, 11/9: forever regret. Trump is 9/11 in reverse laugh !
Or was it 7/11, eh Mr. Trump. (Look it up and did he ever acknowledge his mistake?)
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» Nekore on November 12th, 2016, 8:23pm

LOL
...and did he ever acknowledge any mistake? He just lie with confidence.

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» Cthylla on November 12th, 2016, 12:50pm

All according to plan

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» drunkguy on November 12th, 2016, 1:06pm

Do you remember what Ben Carson's defense was for supporting Trump? Even if Trump is terrible, it's just four years.Yeah. We're screwed.

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» residentgrigo on November 12th, 2016, 1:43pm

Donald Trump´s director of African-American outreach (!) already gave a message to American haters like you:
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Every critic, every detractor, will have to bow down to President Trump. It’s everyone who’s ever doubted Donald, who ever disagreed, who ever challenged him. It is the ultimate revenge to become the most powerful man in the universe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzSvzTTBALg
This was on Frontline PBS! By god... Joseph Goebbels was more subtile.
My very own Chancellor accused him of not being democratic after he got elected and our Secretary of State refused to congratulate him. We are only half a week in...

Edit: I just bothered to research her. She was on his tv show and is now about to enter the oval office none .You people will have multiple reality show personalities running the county!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omarosa
Voting for Hitler back in 1933 sadly makes more sense. He at least lead a political movement before and also served in WW1. (Even i served in the military for 2 years.)

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» misc on November 12th, 2016, 1:45pm

Quote from takeva
If Bernie would have been the Dem nominee none of this would have happened. Blame the DNC for screwing you over. Like I said. Don't care.


Yeah sometimes I wish I could stay naive enough to believe everything I want to happen eventually will. To put it spiffy, good luck dreaming about your Jewish socialist winning people over in a country so full of bigotry and anti-semitism. And I say this as a Bernie supporter in the primaries. If there's any realisation to be made after the results, it's clear the average American lacks the ability to think logically and sensibly. All they need is an entertaining figurehead who can be a reliable source of media play every time they tune in on the telly, no matter how painfully obvious his incompetency and immorality.

It's not so much about what each voter can do to change the outcome of the election (that's the campaigners' job, and admittedly a poorly done one this time too). It's more about how each voter, on a personal basis, views the seriousness of the situation before making insensitive remarks directly towards the lives of others in their community. Regardless of your ethnicity and gender, what you have spewed out shows that you have no empathy and doesn't like to act against your ideology even when the consequence will affect not only yourself but also others. It's the attitude that sticks out like a sore thumb amid all this chaos and confusion.

The sad part is you're not the only one thinking along that line, and the thousands of democrats that also acted upon their "beliefs" weren't so lucky to live in a sure-to-be blue state like you do. You're just a small part of what's wrong with this country.

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» Jelise on November 12th, 2016, 9:16pm

To this, all I have to say is that I live in Texas, in a district so rural that the nearest city of more than 100 thousand people is 3 hours away by drive. If we were to talk about major city, it's 8 hours or more depending on how you travel. My nearest town only has 8 thousand people. That being said, there were Bernie support signs EVERYWHERE there. He's the only candidate that promised them anything BESIDES Trump, and Trump seemed so unrealistic that Bernie's socialism seemed better placed. Bernie's promises seemed more possible. Would he have won Texas? Probably not, but I can only imagine that if this happened elsewhere as well, we would be seeing President Sanders assuming the electoral college didn't get in the way.

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» takeva on November 13th, 2016, 6:35am

Quote from misc
Quote from takeva
If Bernie would have been the Dem nominee none of this would have happened. Blame the DNC for screwing you over. Like I said. Don't care.


Yeah sometimes I wish I could stay naive enough to believe everything I want to happen eventually will. To put it spiffy, good luck dreaming about your Jewish socialist winning people over in a country so full of bigotry and anti-semitism. And I say this as a Bernie supporter in the primaries. If there's any realisation to be made after the results, it's clear the average American lacks the ability to think logically and sensibly. All they need is an entertaining figurehead who can be a reliable source of media play every time they tune in on the telly, no matter how painfully obvious his incompetency and immorality.

It's not so much about what each voter can do to change the outcome of the election (that's the campaigners' job, and admittedly a poorly done one this time too). It's more about how each voter, on a personal basis, views the seriousness of the situation before making insensitive remarks directly towards the lives of others in their community. Regardless of your ethnicity and gender, what you have spewed out shows that you have no empathy and doesn't like to act against your ideology even when the consequence will affect not only yourself but also others. It's the attitude that sticks out like a sore thumb amid all this chaos and confusion.

The sad part is you're not the only one thinking along that line, and the thousands of democrats that also acted upon their "beliefs" weren't so lucky to live in a sure-to-be blue state like you do. You're just a small part of what's wrong with this country.


LOL all I have to say to this is. Obama manage to win twice in this a country full of bigotry and anti-semitism.

I stick to what I believe in. I didn't like Hillary or Trump so I chose not to vote. I didn't want to be apart of this farce of an election. At least I didn't vote third party or Harambre to waste a vote. I thought the US was about people rights. Isn't it my right to just not care anymore? The DNC will now look at what people actually want instead of what they thought was best. This country is what made me think this way. Our government has turned into a joke.

And the lives of others? Please tell me who's lives will be ruined? He wants to build a wall (and make Mexico pay for it roll eyes ) and deport ALL illegal immigrants oh but he wants to save money and get America out it's debt. roll eyes

The LGBT community is getting upset for no reason as he never said he'll hunt them down and convert them. I don't get why they think their lives will be ruined? If I missed something please direct me to a good source.

Muslims? lol they have always had a hard time because of stupid people. Will it get worst? Who knows. But this will hopefully make people more aware of the stereotype they have been dealing with.

Trump will barely be able to keep any of his promises. It's probably going to take him at least 4 years to do any of the basic stuff he talked about. He probably will be focusing more on our economy more than anything. Now if he'll f*** it up worst than it already is, that'll be a problem. dead

Yes, I'm making assumptions but so is everyone else.

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» Suxinn on November 13th, 2016, 6:49am

Quote from takeva
The LGBT community is getting upset for no reason as he never said he'll hunt them down and convert them. I don't get why they think their lives will be ruined? If I missed something please direct me to a good source.

Pence was the one who said that. And since everyone believes Pence will be the real policy-maker in Trump's presidency... Well.

Quote from takeva
At least I didn't vote third party or Harambre to waste a vote.

As someone who voted third party (I'm from California which has always been solidly blue, so no risk there of ruining anything), I did so because I was fighting to get the 5% popular vote needed to 1) get the Green Party on all state ballots automatically, 2) get funding from the government (~$8-10 million) for future campaigns, and 3) give allowance to participate in all future presidential debates. In other words, a third party vote was a vote for an end to a two-party system (which keeps giving us terrible choices, like this election: evil and eviler). Any third party inclusion in the mainstream would've helped pull the nation back from falling over the cliff of political extremism (see: Trump/Pence) I think. And the Libertarians (as much as I'm wary of them) almost made it too! They probably would've if the specter of Trump wasn't making everyone afraid of not voting for Clinton.

Quote from takeva
Yes, I'm making assumptions but so is everyone else.

A lot of these assumptions are based on Trump's own words and former actions, while yours seem more based on a faint hope of looking at the bright side. Not saying that you can't be right, but that I can understand the others' anxieties more.

Quote from takeva
Please tell me who's lives will be ruined? He wants to build a wall (and make Mexico pay for it roll eyes ) and deport ALL illegal immigrants oh but he wants to save money and get America out it's debt.

I prefer calling them "undocumented." Less dehumanizing. And, yes, everyone deserves basic human rights and decency. (This is why I voted against Clinton too--I knew she would've been OK as a president domestically, but her foreign policy was looking like it might echo Obama's, which is: as long as our citizens are all right, no one else matters, and we can just keep our drone strikes going and allow our soldiers to run roughshod over other people's countries. A viewpoint I definitely don't agree with.) And I doubt Trump knows how to save the economy, considering how many of his businesses have gone bankrupt.

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» takeva on November 13th, 2016, 7:18am

Quote from Suxinn
Pence was the one who said that. And since everyone believes Pence will be the real policy-maker in Trump's presidency... Well.

Quote from takeva
At least I didn't vote third party or Harambre to waste a vote.

As someone who voted third party (I'm from California which has always been solidly blue, so no risk there ...


Thank you for the link. I'm also going to be a bit optimistic and believe that not all republicans will agree with him on. Because lets be real, they will still need the LGBT communities votes. Which I don't understand why any one of them would vote for Trump if he had Pence. Some of the LGBT people on twitter were for him (a couple that I follow), so that's why I was a little confused.

I am being more optimistic which is weird because I'm usually negative about a lot of things.

And now I am seriously regretting that I didn't vote. I should have voted third party if I knew what it meant. >_<

So sick of the this 2-party system we have now.

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» re_netero on November 12th, 2016, 2:07pm

I even see politics here. Guess there's no escape no matter where I go. sad

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» kitty1826x on November 12th, 2016, 2:14pm

Quote from re_netero
I even see politics here. Guess there's no escape no matter where I go. sad

I know. It's terrible.

I picked one of the answers from the poll. Not saying which, because I'm tired of having the same argument over and over again. X_____X

All I'll say is that it's was a terrible election like Southpark was portraying between a big douche and turd sandwich. We were F-ed either way.

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» hkanz on November 12th, 2016, 2:15pm

One of my pet peeves about this election (along with the people who complain that the media lies, but unquestioningly believe the constant lies of a politician who can be easily fact checked) is the mantra of 'Clinton is horrible too'. Sure, she isn't perfect, but the alternative is a racist sexist climate change-denier tax-evading demagogue with zero qualifications who has sexually harassed women and bragged about it. Who also wants to lessen regulations on banks (remember that whole financial crisis a few years back?) but people call Clinton a Wall Street pawn! And you find these candidates comparable in how much they suck? Good grief.

And everyone should care. Sure, if you don't know who the heck he is, choose that option. But his decisions on things like climate change, foreign policy and trade will have consequences far beyond the United States.

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» QuasarX on November 12th, 2016, 3:05pm

Quote from hkanz
And you find these candidates comparable in how much they suck?


Yes, they're more or less equally bad. I'm no fan of Trump, but at least he wasn't pandering to SJW ideology like Hillary was, and took a less warlike stance towards Russia. I fully expect him to mess our country up in one way or another, but at least he's less likely to turn it into a nuclear wasteland just for an excuse to increase the military budget. And, speaking of SJWs, they've mangled the terms "racist" and "sexist" to the point that those accusations no longer have any meaning. As for Hillary having actual political experience, remember that having someone know what they're doing is only an advantage if they're not actively trying to screw you over.

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» hkanz on November 13th, 2016, 3:51pm

I'm going to assume that you're exaggerating with the 'nuclear wasteland' bit since Putin is a smart guy and, even in the unlikely event that tensions did escalate that much, understands the concept of nuclear deterrence. What do you think the U.S. should do to improve relations with Russia? Break with its allies in removing sanctions for Russia's annexation of Ukraine? Support Russia in its ridiculous abuse of its Security Council veto re: a no-fly zone in Syria, so that more hospitals and civilians can be bombed? Russia is viewed as an antagonistic country because that's how it behaves.

So Trump is not racist or sexist by your definitions? Do you believe the KKK are 'SJWs'? Because they sure seem to think he's a bigot.

Your last point. Sure, I guess this is true - A politically savvy politician is generally more dangerous to an individual's interests if that individual doesn't want any of the politician's policies to be implemented. The incompetent fool is dangerous insofar as he can't be trusted to understand what is feasible, supported by fact or in the common good, or to engage in diplomacy.

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» QuasarX on November 13th, 2016, 6:03pm

Quote from hkanz
I'm going to assume that you're exaggerating with the 'nuclear wasteland' bit since Putin is a smart guy and, even in the unlikely event that tensions did escalate that much, understands the concept of nuclear deterrence.


Nuclear deterrence only works if both sides are deterred. If one side is determined to go to war, and the other side has no hope of winning that war without the use of nuclear weapons... well, at that point, that side desperately needs them to serve as a deterrent and the only way they can is if they're actually used, at least once. I'm not saying it would have come to that if Hillary had won, just that it seems a more likely possibility with her as Commander in Chief than with Trump.

Quote from hkanz
What do you think the U.S. should do to improve relations with Russia?


If it were up to me? I'd pitch a treaty to Putin in which both countries would agree to suspend economic sanctions and cooperate militarily to fight the global terrorism threat. The treaty would mandate that if either country wanted to engage in aggressive military action with another country, they would need to consult with the other and present their reasons why they deemed it necessary and seek approval from the other. Failure to do so would be considered a breach of the treaty, at which point the economic sanctions would resume. The details of the treaty would include specific military obligations, as recommended by the military experts, including for example, that Russia would cooperate to help implement the no fly zone.

Quote from hkanz
So Trump is not racist or sexist by your definitions?


I don't really have an opinion about this one way or the other. I've just seen so many cases of people being called racist or sexist on the flimsiest of bases, while simultaneously expressing extremely racist and/or sexist attitudes (e.g. "all while people are racists", "all men are misogynists", etc.) that my default reaction to any accusation of racism or sexism has become to immediately disregard it unless clear and convincing evidence is presented along with the accusation.

Quote from hkanz
Do you believe the KKK are 'SJWs'?


No, and I don't consider the KKK to still have enough relevance to closely examine their reasons for supporting a candidate. But, I will point out that the KKK supporting a candidate does not necessarily imply that the KKK believe the candidate is a bigot, and even if they do believe that, it doesn't mean they're right.

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» Antanaru on November 12th, 2016, 3:20pm

2 yay and 4 nay options. Come on BU, you can do better. Push your head up some more, it might go all the way around and pop on your neck back again...

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» scorpiowolf on November 12th, 2016, 3:53pm

leaving policies aside since there's enough people on both sides who hate him enough screw with anything he sends to the senate, I couldn't vote for him because he's an asshole. he's said some wildly racist and/or misogynistic things, dishonored veterans, made fun of the handicapped, etc, and when called on his bullshit he denies it and tries to hand wave it away. the dirty secret no politician or pundit wants to admit is that in this day and age is about half and up to 2/3rds of voters aren't actually voting FOR their specific candidate they're actually voting AGAINST the other guy.

every 4 yrs we Americans go thru this, our ugly nature that we usual keep hidden is put on full display for ourselves and the world to see and our country becomes divided, after about a year and a half we've licked our wounds, picked ourselves up, dusted ourselves off and united again, united in our hate of whoever we just elected as president. its a universal constant, we love them while they're seeking the job but once they have it they piss us off and we wonder why we ever voted for them in the first place, lol.

the 2016 election came down to this to me, we basically voted in Jock Cranley. I can honestly hear Trump go ".... at least you know I'm a dick." hahahaha.

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» leoak on November 12th, 2016, 4:03pm

Electing Trump has essentially given the stamp of approval to the scum of the earth wearing human skin to behave in a way that is completely unamerican. This country was established with the intent for people to be equal and free from persecution. It's the reason why the founding fathers had trouble coming to terms with slavery and ended up putting it on the back burner for the sake of pulling people together to fight the British. Their failure to deal with the problem of slavery then and instead create a nation that was a contradiction to its founding principles has reared its head time and time again, and every time the country has nearly been torn apart. Will the country survive another battle with this cancer? Who knows? Before it has always been whites against blacks. This time it's Trump supporters against everyone else and the fact that Trump didn't win the popular vote seems to indicated that racist, misogynist, homophobes, islamiphobes, and zenophobes are in the minority. And that is probably America's only saving grace. The fact that the majority of Americans are not Trump scum will be one of the few things we'll have left to be proud about.

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» gaiafires on November 12th, 2016, 4:38pm

Proud of that 0.5% difference between majority and minority, YAY!

As a Canadian I think both presidential choices were absolute shit on opposite sides of the shit spectrum and it was a pity Hillary fucked up Bernie.

That being said though it is ENTERTAINING to watch that Hillary supports will automatically talk shit about Trump supporters as if they are the absolute worst of cretins in the world when they probably have never met them in real life.

educate yourself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_ 2016#Voter_demographics

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» mysstris on November 12th, 2016, 6:21pm

I'm surprised this poll is here....I'm living in a liberal state but I'm hearing there are hate crimes and even sexual violence going on still. I just got a report from my university saying that some guy flashed a woman. I don't know if it's related but it doesn't make me comfortable especially since I'm a woman not to mention a minority

I didn't vote for this poll (voted in real life though) but I'm quite anxious about the next two years

Trump is president - Executive
Republicans own Congress (2 years before reelection) - Legislative
An empty seat left by the late Justice Scalia = a conservative on the bench - Judicial

Republicans have been split on Trump so far but just looking at the checks and balances....will it still work?

btw that canada remark, lol I've wanted to move there since 10+ years ago before all of this happened.

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» Cthylla on November 12th, 2016, 6:43pm

As a libertarian my hope is his actions inadvertently destroys our government, at least a little bit.

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» vigorousjammer on November 12th, 2016, 9:10pm

where's the "I'm really scared that he's going to start a nuclear war" option? dead

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» misc on November 12th, 2016, 9:43pm

Any person laughing and eagerly waiting for something "interesting" to happen is clearly having enough privilege to do so, and it's honestly just a waste of time trying to reason with such scum who cannot and will not look outside of their unaffected bubble to see how others are suffering

And if they're also ignorant and naive enough to say that none of the massive amounts of evidence of white people's hate and racism that have surged right after the results actually holds accountability, and that everyone needs to chill because "nothing has happened yet" (even though some totally has), well the best I could say to them is: good luck trying to survive in this world because logic and common sense clearly haven't taken you very far, so much so that you go out of your way to deny what's really happening and cannot perceive what's obviously coming ahead

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» mysstris on November 12th, 2016, 10:35pm

mhm, people whom I know who have said they find it exciting are exactly in a position of privilege: white and male

I don't know anyone else in real life who feel this excitement.

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» QuasarX on November 13th, 2016, 6:19am

Quote from misc
Any person laughing and eagerly waiting for something "interesting" to happen is clearly having enough privilege to do so.


Not necessarily. Someone who's lost everything and has no hope for their or anyone else's future could also feel this way. The requisite condition is to believe that "nothing matters", but there's more than one way to reach that conclusion.

Quote from misc
America is on its road to destruction, no matter how much effort is put into "healing" and "uniting" the nation.


Sadly, I think you're probably right about this. Every time I see a possibility for hope, our corrupt political system ruthlessly crushes it. I think nothing short of a complete overhaul of that system has any chance of stopping the downward spiral.

Quote from misc
That might have been a possibility to strive for before this election, but when it becomes apparent how divided people are, and how a toxic half of the population views the other with such disdain and hatred...


There's plenty of disdain and hatred to go around; it's not a unidirectional problem. Evil begets evil, and hatred begets hatred. The more one group of people rages against another, the more that other will feel the need to rage back, and the harder it becomes to heal those divisions. Lashing out at a group of people... any group of people... based on qualities they were born with may make one appear virtuous and righteous to those who share a prejudice against that group, but will accomplish nothing positive, as those are qualities that people cannot change even if they want to. Unless people can learn to judge each other based on their actions rather than their race, sex, or sexual orientation (and, contrary to what some people choose to believe, there is no race, sex, or sexual orientation that has not been widely discriminated against), the cycle of hatred will continue.

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» misc on November 12th, 2016, 11:43pm

America is on its road to destruction, no matter how much effort is put into "healing" and "uniting" the nation. That might have been a possibility to strive for before this election, but when it becomes apparent how divided people are, and how a toxic half of the population views the other with such disdain and hatred, there's no turning back to a "great" united nation that Trump's rally ironically calls for. From here on out, acts of violence and abuse will be seen as the go-to in mass rallying because it actually works. Asking the attacked to not be "sore losers" and work together with their abusers? Yeah we're not the dumb sheep that you are

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» Jelise on November 13th, 2016, 12:08am

I'm being the sheep when all you're replying with is tried and true rhetoric that's been CONSTANTLY said during the past 4 election cycles if not longer than that. I'm the sheep for realizing there's more to the problem and trying to get people to realize that and not constantly screaming at a computer screen when it accomplishes nothing. I'm the sheep when I try to get people to be proactive instead of reactive. You go on living in your small little world where everything fits into a nice little bubble. I'll continue out here in reality where everything doesn't fit nicely into stereotypes and reaction accomplishes nothing but dividing further and not getting the results you want.

Quote from Calamansi
No I'm not...? I know a lot of Bernie Bros threatened to vote for Trump, and some either fulfilled their promise or voted third party or stayed home. My point was that a final vote for Trump = a vote for a bigot supported by the KKK. And as I made in a previous post, the "anti-establishment&qu ...


I actually agree with you on a lot of what you're saying in actuality. It's why I chose to vote Hillary in the first place instead of sticking with Jill Stein (who I supported from the get go, so it was more me choosing Bernie over her during the primaries). This election showcased that America, especially middle America, still has a lot of bigotry supported by various inadequacies, such as lowering quality of education and lack of diversity, as well as white supremacy and sexism. My only problem is that there's a much larger picture to why things happened the way they did, and plenty of people who espouse the same reactions that you did in your first post, don't seem to realize this.

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» Calamansi on November 13th, 2016, 12:33am

Quote from Jelise
You go on living in your small little world where everything fits into a nice little bubble. I'll continue out here in reality where everything doesn't fit nicely into stereotypes and reaction accomplishes nothing but dividing further and not getting the results you want.


You say that, and yet you crammed me into your convenient stereotype of people who protest the actions of Trump supporters. You yourself said:

Quote from Jelise
What I said is that violence has happened to Trump supporters, and it's not as simple as Hillary supporters are making it seem. Besides, this painting of all Trump supporters as violent and regressive doesn't HELP.


Well, I'm a Hillary supporter and I explicitly made the concession that the Deplorables made up a considerable portion (which doesn't mean all) of his vote, and clarified such a concession in my response to you.

Give me a break. You remind me of that crowd that screams "blue lives matter" whenever someone brings up the issue of police brutality in America. You responding to my post about the fears Trump's election has stoked in marginalized people (which you yourself admitted are more common and serious than whatever Trump supporters are facing) by mentioning that some of your Trump-supporting friends have also felt uncomfortable recently really doesn't help and is the same kind of derailing rhetoric disadvantaged people have constantly had to deal with.

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» Jelise on November 13th, 2016, 12:40am

I'm being the sheep when all you're replying with is tried and true rhetoric that's been CONSTANTLY said during the past 4 election cycles if not longer than that. I'm the sheep for realizing there's more to the problem and trying to get people to realize that and not constantly screaming at a computer screen when it accomplishes nothing. I'm the sheep when I try to get people to be proactive instead of reactive. You go on living in your small little world where everything fits into a nice little bubble. I'll continue out here in reality where everything doesn't fit nicely into stereotypes and reaction accomplishes nothing but dividing further and not getting the results you want.

Quote from Calamansi
No I'm not...? I know a lot of Bernie Bros threatened to vote for Trump, and some either fulfilled their promise or voted third party or stayed home. My point was that a final vote for Trump = a vote for a bigot supported by the KKK. And as I made in a previous post, the "anti-establishment&qu ...



I actually agree with you on a lot of what you're saying in actuality. It's why I chose to vote Hillary in the first place instead of sticking with Jill Stein (who I supported from the get go, so it was more me choosing Bernie over her during the primaries). This election showcased that America, especially middle America, still has a lot of bigotry supported by various inadequacies, such as lowering quality of education and lack of diversity, as well as white supremacy and sexism. My only problem is that there's a much larger picture to why things happened the way they did, and plenty of people who espouse the same reactions that you did in your first post, don't seem to realize this.

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» Calamansi on November 13th, 2016, 12:54am

Quote from Jelise
Ah, so you're going to be that kind of person. Right. A: If you knew how to pay attention, you would know that part of the reply had nothing to do with you. It had to misc, who the reply was specifically to, who called me a sheep simply because I didn't agree with how some people react to things. ...


And I didn't see edited version of your post, which included my quote, until after I already posted my response.

It grated me the wrong way when you brought up stereotyping, when you used the same tactic as some sort of excuse to reprimand people (including me) concerned about the things Trump's most violent supporters are doing.

Quote from Jelise
B: I'm one of those disadvantaged people being both LGBT and disabled, but that wouldn't matter to you now would it?


Of course it does. :/ You had my sympathy as soon as you mentioned you voted for Clinton. Now we're all going to suffer together.

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» Jelise on November 13th, 2016, 1:19am

I don't know where you got the reprimanding part from. It was never meant to be reprimanding. It was meant more to show that the problem isn't one dimensional, and it's not going to be solved by making it one dimensional. I get now that you don't see it that way, but a lot of people do.

I guess this is honestly just me more misunderstanding where you were coming from with everything more than anything. I'm sorry.

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» Calamansi on November 13th, 2016, 3:05am

Maybe it helps if I clarify that, when I said "if Trump wants any semblance of a unified country...", I was referring to Democrats and people terrified of his presidency not being able to accept the man now that he's our president-elect and the teleprompter he was reading off of kindly asked us to. I know the divisions in this country run far deeper than that, and indeed the problem isn't "one-dimensional", but in my first post, I felt the need to focus on the unprecedented (as of recent memory) amount of bigots he has emboldened because that has been a unique feature of his presidency.

The facts that the obstructionist republicans are fully in power and members of the Tea Party will hold cabinet positions, that Trump made campaign promises he will be unable to fulfill due to their unconstitutional nature (much to the ignorance/ apathy of supporters who liked them), that tens of thousands of Trump supporters stayed quiet for fear of being called racist or being scorned, thus depriving others in their life the chance to inform them of how unwise their decision was - these tell me that unity won't come as simple as Trump denouncing the hate of the loud part of his electorate that feels justified in acting out on such hate. But it would help.

Does it matter, in the grand scheme of things, that Trump supporters are also being targeted? Yes, I think so. But did I care for hearing about such a fact in response to how I mentioned that attacks based on racial and religious profiling have spiked in his name? Well, the best analogy I can provide is, while I agree overall that cancer is a terrible thing, I wouldn't appreciate someone telling me how I should have given some consideration to thyroid cancer if I just finished a presentation on breast cancer. If your post had been stand alone, I probably would've just nodded my head and scrolled on, since I wouldn't have (falsely, I now realize) interpreted it as an attempt at derailment.

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» OmNom on November 13th, 2016, 12:48am

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» misc on November 13th, 2016, 12:49am

Lol leave me out of this, my previous post had nothing to do with the feud between you two. I was addressing the popular suggestion to give Trump a chance and to unite the abused and abusers that the centre likes to shove down everyone's throat. Heck I wasn't even paying attention to any of your comments and then suddenly my name flashed up and it turned out I was replied to by someone I never initiated an argument? That's gotta be new for me lol

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» Jelise on November 13th, 2016, 12:52am

Quote from misc
Lol leave me out of this, my previous post had nothing to do with the feud between you two. I was addressing the popular suggestion to give Trump a chance and to unite the abused and abusers that the centre likes to shove down everyone's throat. Heck I wasn't even paying attention to any of your com ...


I'm sorry for adding you into it. I shouldn't have reacted the way I did. It just came off you meant to reply to me. I don't think we should give Trump a chance because that could me disaster. That's why I keep telling people who disagree with him to protest everything they disagree with. To not be apathetic and let Republicans win anything if they can.

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» misc on November 13th, 2016, 12:55am

This is when livejournal comment threads come in handy lol

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» misc on November 13th, 2016, 12:57am

Every major change in history began with a revolution. Democrats and liberals have always played out the role of the nice and civil one while republicans continue to tread onto everyone's faces like the aggressive bigots that they are, and look where that led to. We're supposed to be "above" aggression and anger, but at what cost? I'm not willing to lose my freedom if it's only at the expense for being the nice guy.

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» graffhead on November 13th, 2016, 7:15am

a little conservatism in this overly modern world would be amazing

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» Nekore on November 13th, 2016, 2:22pm

the left in USA is a little to the right, a good part of the conservatist wants cristian sharia law

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» Antanaru on November 14th, 2016, 12:56pm

To the right of what? Bolshevism? What kind of newspeak is "cristian sharia"...

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» misc on November 13th, 2016, 7:26am

Quote from takeva
Racism is still the same as it always has been. I've been called a nigger and heard other black kids like myself being called the same when I use to live in a area dominated by whites. I've experienced racism pretty much all my life but I still believe in people. It's just now people are pointing it out more and saying it's Trumps fault.



My avatar and signature pretty much sum it all up

How could you not comprehend that racism is only going to escalate after this election? Yes racism has always been on the back burner of this country, but never as overt as it has been on the last few days. The difference now is that racists are pretty much validated at this point, PRECISELY because Trump was elected. People don't "point out" that racism is Trump's fault, it's the validation to BE racist his victory brings that scares and angers intellectual people.

Quote from takeva
Obama manage to win twice in this a country full of bigotry and anti-semitism.


Lol and you honestly believe he managed to win because people are so smart and could see how effectively he could run the country, and so they ignored the fact that he's black and a democrat? Please, if he and his family weren't so likeable and entertaining to watch on the telly every time a hillbilly tunes in, it would have taken much longer before a democrat took office again. People don't vote with logic and what's right; it's emotion that evokes the urge to complete the task. Trump might have been a disgrace to the human race, but "crooked Hilary" will still lose to him anyway even if she's the most competent person for the position they're both vying for, simply because she's not "likeable" and "charismatic" enough. Oh and there's misogyny too, but that's something for another time. What I'm saying is no matter what logic tells voters, at the end of the day it's the unpopular candidate that will not win in triumph. They don't care who is better for the greater good, they want some public figure that fits what they like best.

Your Bernie does not stand a chance, not only because of who he essentially is, but also when the media is taken into account. They succeeded in normalising Trump and antagonising the best person for the job. What makes you think the Bern will be left intact amid such a vile population? He might have garnered more votes from those who didn't cast theirs this time, but will probably lose some as well in the process.

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» takeva on November 13th, 2016, 5:57pm

Quote from misc
My avatar and signature pretty much sum it all up

How could you not comprehend that racism is only going to escalate after this election? Yes racism has always been on the back burner of this country, but never as overt as it has been on the last few days. The difference now is that racists are ...



lol

Yep your post pretty much sums you up prefectly. The backburner?!?! Are you serious? Yea we are done here.

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» Calamansi on November 13th, 2016, 10:41pm

Maybe the back burner as in the food still heating on the stove top that people at the suburban dinner party ignored or forgot, and Trump's election was the fire alarm that alerted all the white people chilling outside in the swimming pool that the house was, indeed, on fire, and everyone else had already cleared out after their repeated alerts fell on waterlogged ears. Oh, and the KKK, Breitbart, and Fox News are there too, fanning the flames.

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» OmNom on November 14th, 2016, 12:37am

(hit reply by mistake - didn't mean to reply to you)

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» misc on November 14th, 2016, 12:38am

Lol right? I chuckled a bit at your detailed and insightful description, especially when something like that of all things from my previous post was picked out to be nitpicked about

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» takeva on November 14th, 2016, 4:32am

Quote from misc
Lol right? I chuckled a bit at your detailed and insightful description, especially when something like that of all things from my previous post was picked out to be nitpicked about



I nitpicked it because it showed how blind you really are. And plus something else triggered me and I didn't have time to write what I really wanted. I didn't feel like bothering with arguing about politics anymore. The rest of the nonsense you wrote was well nonsense because I was still focused on that first paragraph.

Do you really think those people needed validation? Muslim females get harassed almost everyday for wearing their hijab in public but I never see that being reported to the news. Does anyone remember the Muslim boy who got the cops called on him because of a science project? Oh black people being followed around and kicked out of stores still happens. Stupid white boys writing racial slurs on bathroom stalls has always been a thing, so I don't know why people think that's new. Oh did you know black boys are still getting lynched? Just because you are seeing certain things on the news more now means that it escalated? LOL.

Now I'm even happier that Trump won. More people will come together because the racism "escalated" and has been put on the back-burner for to long. If Clinton would have won, everyone would have remained the same with people being blind and only get upset when stuff like "BLM" happens. I'm not even going to get started on how I feel about that. Oh and never mind about that Muslim girl being raped and killed with her hijab still in place. We will just leave that for local news.

I'm actually done here. Been neglecting some manga I've been wanting to catch up on. Still don't really care who won. As both choices were awful. I do regret not voting third party now, so thanks for that.

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» alidan on November 13th, 2016, 9:14am

I'm liberal, I didn't vote, but if I did it would have been trump because I'm from wisconsin, If I was in a safe state (as in no chance in hell of flipping one way or the other) I would have voted Jill.

The for not hillary is simple.

1) She is 100% for the tpp and is only against it because holy crap that would be unpopular
2) She is in favor of literally every trade deal that ever got placed in front of her.
3) When it comes to anything you can take a principled stance on, such as gay marriage, she only takes the 'this is a good thing' once its clear that's what the majority think, and even then, she is almost last to do it.
4) Through the leaks we learned that she admits to donors 'I have a public position, and a private position' which means everything she says should be taken as a lie.
5) Was advocating a no fly zone in syria which our own military says would cause war with russia, no way around it. So she at best is provoking a cold war, and worst provoking what would turn into world war 3.

Trump on the other had

1) Wants to spend on infrastructure at home rather than war
2) At least publicly against trade deals
3) Anti war (however a bigger piece of crap in other regards to this)
4) Wants to work with russia on dealing with isis opposed to against
5) At least in his current record, is cleaner than hillary

Bother candidates are pieces of crap, but trump is at least the lesser of the two. Honestly, any of the horrible things he could do, like the national debt stuff, I don't think he would be able to do anything about.

Also, as a side note, look at the polls on what muslims believe, its majority of them are simply not compatible with western ideology, and while i'm not for a 100% ban, I sure as hell don't want a situation like europe were we let everyone in even if they are majority economic migrants. As for illegal immigrants, they are illegal immigrants. As a side note, do note how many lawsuits are dropped in the coming days/weeks, many if not most of them were just so that news got out 'he did X' as a narrative.

As bad as he could be, if he focusses on home rather then be world police, he could be a hell of alot better then almost any other modern president.

Oh, on a side note, Im personally a 'single issue voter', I want money out of politics, as it is the one thing that makes every single person in office the same, no one really had ideals, they have points a donor wants. If this could happen I would vote for anyone who could put it in place.

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» Nekore on November 13th, 2016, 2:20pm

Actually the little of record of Trump isn't good, he was just a populist in retoric but he was also for the war before it looked bad and benifit of trade deals, his proposed tax plan was almost giving money to the rich. Save or not save state I would have voted for Jill, as Trump will be a Republican puppet and will go to war as much as Clinton that despite on how horrible the other candidate is I will not vote for a person that will throw the country to another unnecessary war. (Which considering the enviroment the "doing almost nothing" of Clinton would be the lesser of two evil compared the "dismantle the EPA and FDA")

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» MinatoAce on November 13th, 2016, 2:39pm

Personally, as am not American, it shouldn't concern me anymore than anyone else in the world. I choose don't care.
I wanted Trump to win actually. In contrast to Hillary, he is way much better as I see it.
When you're choosing from options which are both bad, you weight the by the type of bad they are. IMO Trump is the Openly Bad type, while his counterpart was Corrupted bad type.

With Trump you can at least swear at him while standing in front of his house and you may get some supporters too while at it. Well fellas you got the thingy called Liberty now. Heave-ho ~!


[p.s. Words above merely thought only. Not to be taken seriously. Not a political guy, which is too bothersome. I merely read/watch political news/info/history for momentary entertainment only. I can/and do contribute my fair share to the society and humanity without getting involved in politics.] ^^

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» kayue on November 14th, 2016, 1:19am

Let's get real here.

Like it or not, Trump won the election, and isn't going anywhere except the White House in the foreseeable future. He wasn't voted in by just rich, white people. But by the quiet ppl in the parts of America hoping for some kind of change. Look at the break down of the votes in each state by county and see what parts went red or blue. Blue dominated the cities, but red surrounded the blue. Giving the states to red overall. Out of curiosity, I'd like to see how income and education compares to that map.

But you can't just say "dumb rednecks" voted Trump in. Every citizen gets only one vote. Rich or poor. Regardless of IQ. YOU ONLY GET ONE VOTE. So blame it on the electoral college if you have to.

Violent protests just make the protestors, and their causes, look bad. Saying "Dump Trump", and trashing buildings won't change things. The quiet protests are the ones that should count, voicing their dissatisfaction and preparing for the next elections. Sadly, the media doesn't always cover those.

I don't think there will be any quick changes to the country, There are just too many checks and balances built into the system. Nothing happens quickly in Congess. And already Trump is toning down his rhetoric, agreeing that some parts of Obamacare should stay, etc, and generally speaking more quietly than ever before.

So, I agree with the person who said, "Just chill." And wait to see what happens next.

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» barbapapa on November 14th, 2016, 2:11am

these polls are great to see who has secretly been a horrible person all along (the trump normalisers)

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» misc on November 14th, 2016, 4:15am

*ding ding ding*

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» cranga on November 14th, 2016, 11:37am

Don't really see why this was a poll, have enough shit-flinging elsewhere as it is, but here we are. Should have broken up "don't care" into two categories I think, kind of like the two choices above, to say whether or not you lived in the US. I chose it, but right now, it all blends together.

Voted third party, didn't like either of them, but at the same time, don't think either would make a terrible president, though Clinton would have been more presidential, better prepared. They both just had too many things I disagreed with. Life goes on though, in my opinion, the amount of angst and overreactions people are having is just kind of over the top. Interesting to see how he handles things, if at least we have different foreign policy, quit trying to impose regime changes in the middle east and let them do what they want, would be an improvement.

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» strixflash on November 16th, 2016, 12:39am

He is better than Clinton. I would rather support a guy who is honest with his views (no matter how ridiculous they are) rather than some hypocrite who relies on media propaganda and women card to win.

The entire political, media and corporate establishment was trying to make sure that Clinton becomes the next president. Well, they took voters for granted...thought people would fall for their propaganda. I'm really glad that she lost. If you supported her unconditionally even after learning about Clinton foundation and how she screwed military persons....than god bless you.

So I'm not glad for Trump becoming president...what I'm happy for is that Clinton lost.

And please...Trump is not going to launch nuclear weapons on muslim countries. Nor he is going to kill immigrants. Never take the promises of politicians literally. What he would try to do is find more suitable immigration structure.

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» erin on November 19th, 2016, 2:21pm

Trump says everything and the opposite of everything, indifferently, depending on the time of day

This is not to "be honest", this is to be a pathological liar, as well as to make it impossible to tell what is the truth
no

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» youtakun on November 16th, 2016, 4:38pm

I was like, get outta there, when voting started, because both candidates suck.

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