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New Poll - Dere
This week's poll comes from our member Homura_Heart. It requires a bit of knowledge of terminology, some of which isn't that common (even in our niche of manga). If you really wanna answer this poll, I suggest you Google each term first. I won't bother trying to explain it all here. And honestly, I'm not expecting that many voters this week.

You can submit poll ideas here (and try to keep them manga/anime-related)
http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=3903

Previous Poll Results:
Question: If you were to find yourself at odds with your surroundings / world, what would you do?
Choices:
Change yourself in order to fit in - votes: 727 (13.8%)
Change your surroundings / world - votes: 544 (10.3%)
Both of the above - votes: 1141 (21.6%)
Move somewhere else - votes: 608 (11.5%)
Destroy everything - votes: 452 (8.6%)
Change nothing - votes: 848 (16%)
I don't know - votes: 964 (18.2%)
There were 5284 total votes.
The poll ended: December 17th 2016

"You must be the change you want to see in the world."
- Gandhi
Posted by lambchopsil on December 17th 4:08am Comments ( 55 )  [ View ]  [ Add ]
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» The Guy on December 17th, 2016, 2:47am

For the new poll, how about the option "I have no idea what any of these words mean."

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» frodfy on December 19th, 2016, 5:03pm

you took the words out of my mouth... though I actually do know a few of those

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» P0laris on December 25th, 2016, 1:25pm

i know a few but still were waiting for that option or "i can't care less"haha

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» calstine on December 17th, 2016, 2:57am

Kuudere, obviously. I can't stand any of the other types, but both male and female kuuderes are very cute.

But I can guess which one is going to win even without looking at the votes so far. No wonder practically every other manga has a tsundere as the love interest.

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» Erazen on December 17th, 2016, 3:14am

This poll has just expanded my vocabulary. biggrin

Dandere, because it's endearing to watch and root for their struggles to express their feelings to their beloved.

Also because I'm dandere myself. laugh

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» symuri on December 17th, 2016, 3:53am

Yandere~

I think this character is the kind of hardest to make. I mean how she/he can still be yandere and be loved by the the person that she/he loves

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» RoxFlowz on December 17th, 2016, 4:04am

Difficult to decide. My favorite female character (Misaka) would be categorized as "Tsundere".

On the other hand, I hate a lot of other tsundere, especially the abusive type who can't say anything besides pre-made generic tsundere phrases. I hope I don't have to listen to Kugimiya Rie's voice ever again.

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» WonkaTastic on December 18th, 2016, 7:42am

I doubt Misaka would be categorized as Tsundere, really.

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» residentgrigo on December 17th, 2016, 4:31am

Only Kuu, Tsu and Yan can be counted as "actual" tropes. The rest are TV tropes rubbish.
I also didn´t vote. Kuudere comes closest to be of interest to me but all are abysmal clichés and quite worn out too. Don´t write tropes, write characters.

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» zarlan on December 17th, 2016, 10:58pm

Quote from residentgrigo
Only Kuu, Tsu and Yan can be counted as "actual" tropes. The rest are TV tropes rubbish.

Nonsense!
Don't go talking baseless rubbish about TV tropes!
TV tropes just has pages on kuu, tsun, yan and dan.
All real and valid tropes. I don't see what the problem with dandere is supposed to be.

They have nothing on goudere (which appears to be just the one character, and thus not notable), kamidere (again, just the one character, and doesn't even describe any character traits. Though your link includes it, it has no place there), mayadere (which is an interesting sub-type of tsundere. A fully valid trope, IMO)
The page you also mentioned un-dere... That's just deredere.
Oujidere... Is that even a thing? I don't know that I've ever encountered it.
Himedere... That's just an ojou-sama/hime, who is a bit tsundere. The hime part, has nothing to do with the -dere aspect of things.

As to "Coodere"...
I tried looking it up, but the only descriptions I found, were all the IDENTICAL copy pasted description, that describes various -dere forms, including what is obviously kuudere, just spelled with a C.
It's quite absurd that this description of various -dere types, is often presented as a description of just "coodere"
...and, at least once, had Haruhi as an image illustrating "coodere", despite the fact that the description actually refers to her as tsundere.

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You know that shit went of the rails if people as me have too look up "fan-terms".


"Fan terms"?
What, like "fourth wall", "Damsel in distress" and countless other essential terms, that one needs to know, to properly talk about fiction?

These terms are created to be able to properly explain, understand and speak about works of fiction.
To dismiss them, because they are invented by fans (as these terms almost exclusively are) is ridiculous.
Any course on film, theatre, and/or literature, requires that you learn such terms (well, not so much manga/anime specific terms, as yet, due to a lack of academic study, of those media forms, but...)

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» Sogno on December 17th, 2016, 7:32am

that's soooo easy

yandere

always always and forever

my fav

<3

also tsundere sucks *3*

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» SilverStorm on December 17th, 2016, 9:24pm

Yandere is love, yandere is life!

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» stray_dog on December 24th, 2016, 4:00pm

or death, it depends on the yandere

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» Cthylla on December 17th, 2016, 10:35am

I know tsu kuu and yan but what are the rest?

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» residentgrigo on December 17th, 2016, 12:23pm

Nonsense rubbish that random web treads made up, as they can´t talk about manga in the language of actual humans. Here are the "meanings": http://www.hxchector.com/all-dere-types-anime-manga/
I have tried a few thousand different manga and anime over the last 2 decades. You know that shit went of the rails if people as me have too look up "fan-terms".
PS: Dear community. Please stop using the word MC, especially in summaries. What you mean is protagonist.

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» Hainelol on December 17th, 2016, 1:26pm

Quote from residentgrigo
Nonsense rubbish that random web treads made up, as they can´t talk about manga in the language of actual humans. Here are the "meanings": http://www.hxchector.com/all-dere-types-anime-manga/
I have tried a few thousand different manga and anime over the last 2 decades. You know that sh ...

Same here. I looked up the link you shared, because I had no idea what the options mean, but now I'm confused again. Aren't Kuudere and Coodere the same thing according to that article (and Visual novel database). confused

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» residentgrigo on December 17th, 2016, 4:26pm

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I went to the type of library school that tough you about genres and stiff, not 4Chan doublespeak.

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» frodfy on December 19th, 2016, 5:05pm

Quote from residentgrigo
PS: Dear community. Please stop using the word MC, especially in summaries. What you mean is protagonist.

MC is shorter at 2 letters and protagonist has 11 letters

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» Cthylla on December 17th, 2016, 12:41pm

Im glad the only romance I read is yuri so Im free from most dere nonsense.

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» Trimutius on December 17th, 2016, 5:58pm

I prefer them to be deredere ("lovey dovey") all the time really... without those tsun, kuu, yan and rest of the bullshit...

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» Sapphiresky on December 17th, 2016, 8:22pm

Since when are 'kuudere' and 'coodere' not just different spellings?

Where is 'deredere'?

What if I don't like any kind of dere and want someone with no love in their heart?

I call shenanigans with this poll.

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» Nekore on December 17th, 2016, 8:23pm

nondere! xD

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» vigorousjammer on December 17th, 2016, 8:53pm

Where's my "none" option?
Where's my "I prefer characters with actual depth" option? laugh

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» hurafloyd on December 17th, 2016, 9:19pm

Yandere all the way xD

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» animeangelgrl on December 18th, 2016, 2:00am

Yandere as long as he's the seme in a yaoi manga.

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» MinatoAce on December 18th, 2016, 2:43am

Well, just your normal regular average people. Those, who can put on a casual front subconsciously without any effort on their regular interactions, which should be their normal for them.

Well if that's not possible then Kuudere maybe...but, I'm still doubtful of my type here. So, not voting for the time being.

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» WonkaTastic on December 18th, 2016, 7:45am

Coodere is the most normal out of all of those. I practically hate all those characters, and whenever I see a Tsundere I drop the manga to the void. Really hate those mtrfkrs tsunderes.

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» Natsuki@ on December 18th, 2016, 12:44pm

NO-dere is the best sadly this option is not available smile

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» SSJR2 on December 18th, 2016, 3:37pm

Probably my favorite type is a Mild Yandere (as long as they dont kill the MC or go completely insane in the end lol) just nice to see a super devoted chick and makes the story interesting. Though i am quickly starting to like the newer mayadere cause its an interesting dynamic to win over a villian or someone who was trying to kill you at first. lol i dont know i just like the more interesting deres now. Dandere and Kuudere are nice to see sometimes if its not too overly done. Dont know much about goudere and coodere.
Lastly Tsundere is just the most overly done and annoying one to me at this point. I only like a few of that where they actually show more "dere" side then the "tsun" side cause a lot of the current tsunderes are the opposite. They are usually like 80% Tsun and straight up act horrible or abusive to the MC most of the time. It may be for comedic use some time but to me its still not to enjoyable sometimes.

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» LilyLoveBloop on December 18th, 2016, 7:47pm

To everyone who has no idea what these terms mean please visit the below links and maybe you would find out.

Coodere

Just because only one character exists for the Goudere type doesn't mean it doesn't count. I know multiple people who adore this dere type.
Mayadere

Just because your favorite Dere type is not on here or the "None " option is not on there doesn't mean you have to complain about it.
Goudere.

With that out of the way, sorry for the mini rant, but I had to let it out, I am sorry xD.

Also, the maker of the poll, Homura_Heart, did nothing, but suggest an innocent poll that asked what your favorite Dere type was.
She did Nothing, but yet you guys are bashing her for suggesting a poll you guys didn't have to vote on or comment on.
If you have no idea what these tropes/personalities/archetypes/whatever are then why bother voting for it or commenting in it. You are just making yourself look stupid and immature.

First of all, all of these are real tropes and they do exist in anime.
If you actually did research instead of just searching up one of the terms, finding just a picture of a character that was not that dere type, and coming back here complaining about it all of you are just a bunch of whiny babies.

Note: I am not trying to be rude >.<

Finally, have a nice day and stop getting ticked off because you happen to not know any of the terms mentioned. I am sorry, but get over out.

- Lily

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» zarlan on December 20th, 2016, 10:30am

Quote from LilyLoveBloop
She did Nothing, but yet you guys are bashing her for suggesting a poll you guys didn't have to vote on or comment on.

No one has done that.

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» RoxFlowz on December 20th, 2016, 10:44am

Quote from zarlan
Quote from LilyLoveBloop
She did Nothing, but yet you guys are bashing her for suggesting a poll you guys didn't have to vote on or comment on.

No one has done that.

Exactly my thoughts. Saying that there are options missing (happens in literally every poll) or that a lot of these archetypes are stupid is not bashing anyone. For some bashing, you should've seen the breast size poll roll

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» LilyLoveBloop on December 20th, 2016, 11:37am

Quote from RoxFlowz
Exactly my thoughts. Saying that there are options missing (happens in literally every poll) or that a lot of these archetypes are stupid is not bashing anyone. For some bashing, you should've seen the breast size poll roll


Yes, maybe I might have exaggerated it, but still being called a " Shenanigan " isn't exactly what you call nice no

Actually, instead of arguing over a simple poll about your favorite Dere type how about just forgetting all about the conflict xD
I am not trying to start a fight, I am just a very passionate person biggrin

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» LilyLoveBloop on December 20th, 2016, 11:31am

Quote from zarlan
No one has done that.


Okay, maybe I exaggerated on that, but it looks like people are making a bigger deal than they should be.

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» zarlan on December 21st, 2016, 2:23am

Quote from LilyLoveBloop
Okay, maybe I exaggerated on that, but it looks like people are making a bigger deal than they should be.

No, not people. Just you. I don't see anyone else making a big deal out of it, or getting emotional about it.

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» LilyLoveBloop on December 21st, 2016, 9:40am

Quote from zarlan
No, not people. Just you. I don't see anyone else making a big deal out of it, or getting emotional about it.


I mean they are taking the poll a little too seriously.
Some people are calling it " stupid " ( which is fine, but it might hurt the creator's feelings ) and others are calling the creator a " shenanigan ".

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» Homura_Heart on December 18th, 2016, 8:23pm

My favorite would have to be " Coodere ".
I like Coodere because they are far more interesting than any other dere type ( or archetype ) I have seen.

A Coodere is basically a character that can be nice at times, or cold at times with a rude side in them.
I am super sorry everyone confused it for a Kuudere.

Also, I am very sorry for not including Deredere or Yangire.
I kind of forgot about them xD.

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» mikako17 on December 19th, 2016, 6:16pm

Quote from Homura_Heart
My favorite would have to be " Coodere ".
A Coodere is basically a character that can be nice at times, or cold at times with a rude side in them.


Wait, I'm confused now, if that's what coodere is than what's kuudere? TV tropes gives the definition you gave coodere to kuudere, so my question is, what's the difference?

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» Homura_Heart on December 19th, 2016, 10:37pm

Quote from mikako17
Wait, I'm confused now, if that's what coodere is than what's kuudere? TV tropes gives the definition you gave coodere to kuudere, so my question is, what's the difference?



A Kuudere is a character that acts cold and emotionless most of the time, but they slowly open up to a love interest or someone they trust.

A Coodere changes personalities and isn't limited to being cool and emotionless.

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» zarlan on December 20th, 2016, 10:29am

Quote from Homura_Heart
A Kuudere is a character that acts cold and emotionless most of the time, but they slowly open up to a love interest or someone they trust.

A Coodere changes personalities and isn't limited to being cool and emotionless.

No.
There is no difference between coodere and kuudere. They are simply different spellings, of the same word. You can't find anywhere, where coodere is defined as you describe it, or where kuudere is defined as different to it.

P.S. There is no reason to regret adding yangire, given that it isn't quite a "dere". It's like yandere, but without any romantic attachments, whatsoever. Just cute smiling murder.

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» LilyLoveBloop on December 20th, 2016, 11:42am

Quote from zarlan
No.
There is no difference between coodere and kuudere. They are simply different spellings, of the same word. You can't find anywhere, where coodere is defined as you describe it, or where kuudere is defined as different to it.

P.S. There is no reason to regret adding yangire, give that it isn't ...


There is a difference. They are very similar so it might be hard to tell them apart. A lot of people have their own definition of " Coodere ". Honestly, every Dere type means something different for each person, instead, of how the original person interpreted it.

Coodere link
The above definition appears to be the most correct definition of " Coodere ".
However, like I said every person has their own meaning of the Dere types. It really is how they interpret it, not what someone thinks it means.

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» mikako17 on December 20th, 2016, 4:03pm

Quote from LilyLoveBloop


Your link doesn't seem to differentiate between kuudere or coodere; the definition doesn't make it different to kuudere since the definition of kuudere, at least on tv tropes, is basically that one. It doesn't help that an alternate, and the usual romaji, spelling of クー is kuu.

Can you explain what the difference is?

And I get what you're trying to say about meanings since words have slightly different connotations to everyone but they all have a concrete denotation because otherwise they'd be useless.

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» LilyLoveBloop on December 21st, 2016, 9:45am

Quote from mikako17
Your link doesn't seem to differentiate between kuudere or coodere; the definition doesn't make it different to kuudere since the definition of kuudere, at least on tv tropes, is basically that one. It doesn't help that an alternate, and the usual romaji, spelling of クー is kuu.

Can you explain wh ...


Okay, I found another link that works....

Kuudere
An anime/manga slang term for a character that is cold, blunt, cynical, and pretty much doesn't care if her beloved dies. That's what she is on the outside but she is actually caring and nice on the inside.
Differs from tsundere since tsundere is when the character frequently runs hot and cold between tsun and dere. Kuudere is when the character only occasionally shows her caring side.
Occasionally this is a trait of the true Emotionless Girl, added deliberately by writers or projected by fans.
Compared to yandere and tsundere, the kuudere has a higher chance of being either gender.

Coodere
If she is usually so cold to you and sometimes becomes so nice(sweet?) such as Suzumiya Haruhi, she would be labelled as ツンデレ. But what if she is so cool rather than cold? And what if such an emotionless girl fawns upon you when she bursts into tears? Yes, she would be a type of クーデレ. クー[coo] derives from cool, and デレ[dere] stems from デレデレ[dere dere] which has a nuance of being so sweet. Speaking of クーデレ girls, I can think of Rei Ayanami[Evangelion], Yuina Himoo[Toki meki memorial], or Mai Kawasumi. If you look at any bishoujo anime carefully, you might find this type of girl.

I think they sound different enough.....
link

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» zarlan on December 21st, 2016, 11:44am

Quote from LilyLoveBloop
I mean they are taking the poll a little too seriously.

I see no one doing that.
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Some people are calling it " stupid "

That does not indicate that the person is taking it seriously, or all that strongly.
Also, it was not some people.
"People" is plural.
You can't say "people", about one person. That is completely wrong and misleading.
It was one single person ...and that was after I had made my comment (it was posted just before it, but after I had written mine).
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( which is fine, but it might hurt the creator's feelings )

...if the creator is very thin-skinned/insecure, and not really suited to being on an internet forum (if you can't take mild criticism, why are you in a place where you are guaranteed to receive far worse? Even in the most civil/polite places on the internet).
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and others are calling the creator a " shenanigan ".

No, most certainly not.
A shenanigan is a trick or a bit of mischief.
A person can perform shenanigans, but not be one.
The post was expressing the strong suspicion that the creator was playing a trick on us.

And again: it was one single person!
"Others" is plural, and thus completely wrong and misleading.
You know full well that it was one person, in both of these cases, but chose to use what are obviously plural forms.
Frankly, I'm starting to suspect shenanigans, myself... (I like to keep to Hanlon's Razor, but... there are limits.)
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Okay, I found another link that works....

...except it doesn't
Not only is it one of the pages I've already encountered, when I tried to find out what coodere meant, but...

The explanation for coodere, is the EXACT SAME one, copy pasted in there.
How could you expect the same exact text on a different page, to be any better evidence (or count as a different source of evidence, at all) than the first page you linked to?
Did you not notice that it was the exact same text, in every regard (ever letter, bit of punctuation, parentheses and everything)?

Edit:
Seeing that you'd just made 9 posts, and thinking that surely you've made about that many here, I got a bit suspicious...
I see that you made your account very recently.
A moments before making your first post in this thread, in fact, where you complain about non-existent bashing of the creator of this poll (the focus of almost all your posts), in fact
...and all your comments, are the ones in this poll
Except for a "I'm new here" post, ten minutes before that and given that those ten minutes includes the time it took to write the first post you made here (and there was some length to it), you clearly went straight to making it, right after the "I'm new here" post.
...
I'm beginning to suspect shenanigans, all the more strongly... Very strongly, in fact.

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» dragon4254 on December 21st, 2016, 12:55pm

Quote from zarlan
Quote from LilyLoveBloop
I mean they are taking the poll a little too seriously.

I see no one doing that.
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Some people are calling it " stupid "

That does not indicate that the person is taking it seriously, or all that strongly.
Also, it was not some people.
"People" is plural.
You can't say "people", about one person. That is completely wrong and misleading.
It was one single person ...and that was after I had made my comment (it was posted just before it, but after I had written mine).
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( which is fine, but it might hurt the creator's feelings )

...if the creator is very thin-skinned/insecure, and not really suited to being on an internet forum (if you can't take mild criticism, why are you in a place where you are guaranteed to receive far worse? Even in the most civil/polite places on the internet).
Quote
and others are calling the creator a " shenanigan ".

No, most certainly not.
A shenanigan is a trick or a bit of mischief.
A person can perform shenanigans, but not be one.
The post was expressing the strong suspicion that the creator was playing a trick on us.

And again: it was one single person!
"Others" is plural, and thus completely wrong and misleading.
You know full well that it was one person, in both of these cases, but chose to use what are obviously plural forms.
Frankly, I'm starting to suspect shenanigans, myself... (I like to keep to Hanlon's Razor, but... there are limits.)
Quote
Okay, I found another link that works....

...except it doesn't
Not only is it one of the pages I've already encountered, when I tried to find out what coodere meant, but...

The explanation for coodere, is the EXACT SAME one, copy pasted in there.
How could you expect the same exact text on a different page, to be any better evidence (or count as a different source of evidence, at all) than the first page you linked to?
Did you not notice that it was the exact same text, in every regard (ever letter, bit of punctuation, parentheses and everything)?

Edit:
Seeing that you'd just made 9 posts, and thinking that surely you've made about that many here, I got a bit suspicious...
I see that you made your account very recently.
A moments before making your first post in this thread, in fact, where you complain about non-existent bashing of the creator of this poll (the focus of almost all your posts), in fact
...and all your comments, are the ones in this poll
Except for a "I'm new here" post, ten minutes before that and given that those ten minutes includes the time it took to write the first post you made here (and there was some length to it), you clearly went straight to making it, right after the "I'm new here" post.
...
I'm beginning to suspect shenanigans, all the more strongly... Very strongly, in fact.


Writing a huge text even though you know that no one will read because no one cares about your opinion is the definition of taking it too serious. Just chill in your corner.

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» zarlan on December 21st, 2016, 1:26pm

Quote from dragon4254
Writing a huge text even though you know that no one will read

Bullshit.
Also, why waste space, by including the whole thing in a quote, when you're not referring to any of it?
That is the definition of spamming.
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because no one cares about your opinion

You are not everyone. Keep your arrogance in check.
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is the definition of taking it too serious.

How so? My comment was long, because I had much to reply to.
...and it started to look like something to take seriously (as I mentioned), quite frankly.

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» zarlan on December 21st, 2016, 2:33am

Quote from LilyLoveBloop
There is a difference.

Based on what?
I can get arguing that there would be a difference, but... based on what reason?
I don't see any.
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Coodere link
The above de ...

First of all:
The forums auto-correction of URLs, tends to screw up addresses, by correcting that which is actually already correct. (it mainly ruins URLs, rather than correct them), so that link doesn't quite work. You might get it to, if you fiddle around with it a bit, though.

Anyway, I manually corrected it, and found that the page was one of the ones I found
...and to copy-paste what I've already said before:

As to "Coodere"...
I tried looking it up, but the only descriptions I found, were all the IDENTICAL copy pasted description, that describes various -dere forms, including what is obviously kuudere, just spelled with a C.


Futhermore, to add to what I copy pasted, it is mentioned as:
"クーデレ[coo-dere]"
クーデレ is kuudere. (ク= ku, ー=lengthening of the vowel, デ=de, レ=re)
That is just a fact and cannot be argued.
That is how the katakana is romanized (that, or kūdere/kûdere, which is the more officially correct way ...but not the way people usually do it)

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» pyrolobus on December 21st, 2016, 5:53am

Quote from zarlan
Based on what?
I can get arguing that there would be a difference, but... what reason do you have for that?
I don't see any.
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Coodere link
The above de ...

First of all:
The forums auto-correction of URLs, tends to screw up addresses, by correcting that which is actually already correct. (it mainly ...


Way to go.
coo-dere= cool(english word, then abbreviated) + dere(japanese word "tereru"). Meanwhile kuudere= kuu(japanese word, either it refers to "a noun" form or "a verb-transitive" form, also both form have totally different kanji and meaning, please check your proud japanese<->english dictionary.) + dere(japanese word "tereru")

i hope that does not explain anything.

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» Draega20 on December 18th, 2016, 11:18pm

Just to make sure I am understanding Goudere right. Basically someone who loves you and is willing to rope others into loving so you gain a harem? like momo deviluke from to love-ru

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» LilyLoveBloop on December 19th, 2016, 12:49pm

Quote from Draega20
Just to make sure I am understanding Goudere right. Basically someone who loves you and is willing to rope others into loving so you gain a harem? like momo deviluke from to love-ru


Yes.

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» zarlan on December 20th, 2016, 10:40am

Quote from Draega20
Just to make sure I am understanding Goudere right. Basically someone who loves you and is willing to rope others into loving so you gain a harem? like momo deviluke from to love-ru

As far as I've understood, it's more "insists on roping others into a harem that is dedicated to you", rather than "is willing to".

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» fridge on December 20th, 2016, 7:34pm

this poll is stupid

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» LilyLoveBloop on December 21st, 2016, 9:36am

Quote from fridge
this poll is stupid


I am not trying to be mean or anything, but you didn't have to vote/comment on it.

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» cmertb on December 22nd, 2016, 10:41am

I wanted to see ヘルノーデレ in the options.

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» NightSwan on December 23rd, 2016, 7:22am

No dere for me, thanks.
I don't like extreme personality flips.

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