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Previous Poll Results:
Question: Do you read American comics?
Choices:
Lots, and more than manga! - votes: 160 (1.9%)
Lots, but I read more manga - votes: 615 (7.3%)
Just a little - votes: 2684 (31.8%)
Never have - votes: 2105 (25%)
Does watching superhero movies count? - votes: 2864 (34%)
There were 8428 total votes.
The poll ended: May 15th 2016
Looks like very few of us have ready American comics.
Comments (limited to first 100 replies)
» residentgrigo on May 15th, 2016, 4:10am
Again, this lovely trash topic... I again have to chose no, it's just fiction, as we have bigger problems to police. I love that child pr0n is a non-issue with comics outside of Japan (and now Korea i guess) but these discussions just change to refrigerator debates instead.
@KaoriNite That UN debate is an old one btw. but no more comments from me.
» KaoriNite on May 15th, 2016, 4:12am
But the reason I asked is because a few months ago, a United Nations envoy said that Japan should ban loli and shota manga. Back when I first started reading manga, I was completely disgusted by the idea of loli and shota, and couldn't understand how it could be acceptable. Somehow, over time my position changed and I came to accept it as a part of manga. To me, it's just fiction and I don't think reading loli or shota has anything to do with real life pedophilia. But when I came across the article about the UN, I started wondering how my views changed. Maybe I just eventually became desensitized to it, which isn't necessarily a good thing. So yeah, I don't really know where I fall on the issue anymore.
An article about it: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/27/japan-urged-to-b an-manga-child-abuse-images
» calstine on May 15th, 2016, 4:29am
» unya on May 16th, 2016, 4:43am
» imercenary on May 16th, 2016, 9:28pm
It doesn't do a goddamn thing about child abuse.
Action like this is nothing more than a way for politicians to score some easy political "WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!?"-points while attacking political opponents with "MY POLITICAL ENEMIES ARE CHILD RAPISTS!!!"
» KaoriNite on May 17th, 2016, 2:52am
It doesn't do a goddamn thing about child abuse.
Action like this is nothing more than a way for politicians to score some easy political "WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!?"-points while attacking political opponents with "MY POLITICAL ENEMIES ARE CHILD RAPISTS!!!"
It's not a just a political tactic, as the issue was brought up by the UN and not a Japanese politician. So this isn't some politician just trying to gain points with the public. This is someone outside of Japan saying "What's wrong with you Japanese people". So I can understand an argument that says a non-Japanese person shouldn't tell Japan how it should behave and what it's laws should be. But Japan has decided to be apart of the UN, so it has it's duty to live up to the UN's standards.
And the UN kind of has a point, as child pornography was only recently made illegal in Japan. Now making child porn illegal isn't going to magically erase all of the child porn that exists. Of course child abuse is always going to exist to some degree. But when it's legal, it sends the message that it's not that big of a deal. There will be people who realize that it's morally wrong, but can use the excuse of "but it's legal". Whereas if it's illegal, there's a bigger incentive for people not to do and risk going to jail.
But back to the point of manga, you have to wonder why loli and shota images are unacceptable in other countries, but are okay in Japan. I don't think it has anything to do with Japan being more liberal or more accepting of personal expression, as a woman was recently arrested on obscenity charges because of sending 3d printable data of her vagina.
» imercenary on May 19th, 2016, 9:08pm
Because nothing you said has anything to do with child abuse and everything to do with political points.
When Saudi Arabia heads a U.N. Human Rights panel and then chops off someone's hands for theft; no sane country would ever carte blanche follow the lead of another country, let alone the U.N.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/09/28/w hy-one-of-the-worlds-worst-human-rights-offenders-is-leading-a-un- human-rights-panel/
http://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/1.631994
» calstine on May 15th, 2016, 4:24am
I don't really care. I personally despise them both - the only genres I unconditionally hate - but their existence isn't going to change just because I hate them. I don't really think about it at all; there're a hundred more important things, and whether they ban it or not my reading experience won't change one iota and neither will my life.
Don't care is my pick, but since that isn't an option, no point in voting on this one.
» lambchopsil on May 15th, 2016, 7:47am
Ah shoot, it is a repeat. I forgot to check... That's my bad. Didn't mean to do that
» Tmp341 on May 15th, 2016, 4:54am
You can't stop pedophilia with banning loli and shota mangas. Person with pedophilia is the problem.
For example, i love fiction lolis. But never wanted/wanna hug or abuse a child irl. I even get mad when i hear one.
» jonytep on May 15th, 2016, 4:59am
https://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=48385
» Cthylla on May 15th, 2016, 5:53am
» itsugo09 on May 15th, 2016, 7:48am
» chineserider on May 15th, 2016, 12:22pm
Sums up how I feel.
» train93 on May 15th, 2016, 8:04am
» That3rdGuy on May 15th, 2016, 2:14pm
On the other hand, I really don't like censorship. I'd be a bit of a hypocrite if I were to say "fuck censorship, anything goes," and turn around and say this genre shouldn't be allowed. Just because something is offensive doesn't mean you should ban it. If somebody will be physically or psychologically harmed because of it, then it shouldn't be allowed though. That's crossing the line and nobody can convince me that a 7, 10, or 13-year-old wont be psychologically twisted and damaged from sexual activity with an adult.
Some people may say "oh, it's a non-violent way for pedophiles to get off instead of abusing kids IRL," and to that I must call those people idiots. I don't believe it's going to stop a pedophile from eventually molesting a child, nor do I believe it makes their "condition" worse. People can't help what they are attracted to, just like being into homosexuality, heterosexuality, inanimate objects, bestiality, etc. Pedophiles can't help that they are attracted to kids and most can control their desires. They just live normal lives, get married, fuck people their age, and have kids that they hopefully don't molest. Then there are the ones who put effort into finding a child to molest that wont tell on them. MANY people have the desire to fuck a kid at some point (even I'm guilty of eye-fucking some teenagers periodically). It's the ones who act out on those desires that makes them bad. Having manga that depicts kids being fucked wont deter them from their goals. That's just fucking stupid, extremely flawed logic.
The age of consent should be 15 or 16 ( and if an adult molests somebody younger than that, they should be executed on TV. When I see somebody going to prison for fucking a 15 or 16-year-old, I find it ludicrous that they have to be called a sexual predator the rest of their lives. As if a 15 or 16-year-old can't make their own educated decisions. The government wants kids to wait til they're out of school before fucking people older than them, as if a few math, English, art/mechanical and science classes will help them make more educated decisions about having sex. They already know the pros and cons of having sex by 15 or 16. I went to school with a guy who dated a girl 2 years younger since they were in middle school. ONE WEEK after he turned 18, he was arrested for sexual assault of a minor or some shit. Don't know who reported him (it definitely wasn't his girlfriend or her parents) or how they proved it (they both refused to answer questions during interrogation), but now he's considered a sexual predator for life. He stayed in prison for 2.5 years and got back together with her when he got out (she was 19 by that time).
To those people who choose "I don't care" because they can't decide should try putting some thought into it instead of impulsively making a post. If you're conflicted over censorship (which is likely the case in the end), then choose no. Stand by your beliefs, don't be a hypocrite! If you censor one thing, it opens the door for other things to be censored and it just snowballs until you live in a police state or worse.
Well, I've gone off on tangents long enough. Despite my hatred for pedophilia, I grudgingly choose no since nobody is being hurt. Just because I really fucking hate lolicon and shotacon, it doesn't mean it should be banned.
tl;dr I grudgingly choose no simply because I hate censorship of all kinds and don't want to be a hypocrite. I do believe there is a limit if somebody will be hurt physically or psychologically though, but manga wont cause that (unless you're some weak-minded cunt who fakes PTSD).
» Sari90 on May 15th, 2016, 3:29pm
An 18 year old with a 16 or 17 year old is ok, but you can't tell me there is nothing wrong with someone that is, say 30 going after minors.
» animalia on May 17th, 2016, 7:08pm
» imercenary on May 16th, 2016, 9:39pm
http://www.kten.com/story/4597682/death-penalty-for-repeat-chil d-molesters-wins-approval-in-ok-senate
Well. You win. I hope you're happy.
» gwkimmy on May 19th, 2016, 12:31pm
i do agree that your friend should not have been arrested, though. i thought there were exemptions in place for people who are close in age like that? or is that by state?
» blackkittycat15 on May 15th, 2016, 10:07pm
» animalia on May 16th, 2016, 2:19pm
» Sogno on May 16th, 2016, 5:15pm
the whole "it's fiction so it's not hurting anybody" just doesn't sell me.
/shrugs
» mysstris on May 16th, 2016, 7:08pm
objectively........................I'm letting it hang
adults who look loli....I find those stories strange. First is the whole tall-short thing. Next is that it's often fetishized. It's really the fetishization that makes it uncomfortable.
I'm settling with cognitive dissonance
» Calamansi on May 16th, 2016, 10:27pm
» schnabeln on May 17th, 2016, 9:04am
Just like I enjoy driving over or killing peds in GTA but can't ever imagine punching some in real life for no reason. Not that I want to compare the two though.
And banning loli/shota just could lead to people seeking out more real stuff as I am pretty sure some or possibly many who are into that are also into the real thing
The UN has way better things to do than care about that stuff. Such as to track down the child porn rings or human trafficking or something.
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