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New Poll - Demographic Hate
This week's poll is from xxxTokineko. We don't usually do polls about which you dislike the most, but there's a first time for everything!
You can submit poll ideas here (and try to keep them manga/anime-related)
http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=3903
Previous Poll Results:
Question: Which color Power Ranger (Super Sentai) are you?
Choices:
Blue - votes: 1375 (15.8%)
Red - votes: 1135 (13.1%)
Yellow - votes: 638 (7.3%)
Pink - votes: 1009 (11.6%)
Green - votes: 1053 (12.1%)
Black - votes: 2260 (26%)
White - votes: 1219 (14%)
There were 8689 total votes.
The poll ended: March 2nd 2013
Wow, black won pretty handily. But Blue is my favorite color...
You can submit poll ideas here (and try to keep them manga/anime-related)
http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=3903
Previous Poll Results:
Question: Which color Power Ranger (Super Sentai) are you?
Choices:
Blue - votes: 1375 (15.8%)
Red - votes: 1135 (13.1%)
Yellow - votes: 638 (7.3%)
Pink - votes: 1009 (11.6%)
Green - votes: 1053 (12.1%)
Black - votes: 2260 (26%)
White - votes: 1219 (14%)
There were 8689 total votes.
The poll ended: March 2nd 2013
Wow, black won pretty handily. But Blue is my favorite color...
Comments (limited to first 100 replies)
» whitespade on March 1st, 2013, 11:54pm
i put yuri, but i actually dont hate it or even dislike it at all, its just the least kind that i read. i had read about two yuri manga the most. but then, im a girl.
» Zodiac Prince on March 2nd, 2013, 12:27am
that's understandable. I feel the same way about Yaoi.
» 0oKat~0 on March 2nd, 2013, 12:39am
Ditto. Don't hate yuri... But I usually just avoid reading it. 
» Zodiac Prince on March 2nd, 2013, 12:28am
hard to say because most of these demographics have invoked my hatred at one point or another, I'd have to say either Josei or Shoujo.
» giinko on March 2nd, 2013, 12:31am
I guess I'll have to go with hentai, I'm not trying to light the fire of a discussion here (which this topic has great potential of having several of them), but generally it's rather mindless and time-wasting reading those. Even the ones with the highest rates bore me.
» archknight on March 2nd, 2013, 10:17am
meh... dont think i could ever handle NTR with hentai* like its nothing and boring
» vietangelix on March 2nd, 2013, 12:39am
I can read all of them except Hentai. Bleh.
» darkraiders on March 2nd, 2013, 12:39am
Yaoi by far
» yarn on March 2nd, 2013, 12:46am
I can go for some pretty twisted stuff, but I've tried hentai, and that's WAAAAY too crazy for me. That's why it's called hentai. 
» calstine on March 2nd, 2013, 12:50am
Another poll with a foregone conclusion; we're obviously running out of good poll topics. Everyone knows yaoi will win this one (or lose it, depending on your point of view).
I voted for hentai, but, well...
I voted for hentai, but, well...
» veve on March 4th, 2013, 5:26am
Great point!
» Mamsmilk on March 2nd, 2013, 1:12am
Couldn't vote for both shoujo ai and shounen ai, so I went for the latter due to it being
a bit too idealistic. Though yaoi is way more ridiculous than that... Should have
probably voted for that. Shounen ai can be an underlying element that is just a side part
of a story, but yaoi kind of overwrites everything else.
a bit too idealistic. Though yaoi is way more ridiculous than that... Should have
probably voted for that. Shounen ai can be an underlying element that is just a side part
of a story, but yaoi kind of overwrites everything else.
» Scyfon on March 2nd, 2013, 3:37am
WOW....44.8% against Shounen Ai as I'm typing this. I'm gobsmacked o_o
Pretty much this for me.
Quote from Mamsmilk
Couldn't vote for both shoujo ai and shounen ai, so I went for the latter due to it being
a bit too idealistic. Though yaoi is way more ridiculous than that... Should have
probably voted for that. Shounen ai can be an underlying element that is just a side part
of a story, but yaoi kind of overwrites everything else.
a bit too idealistic. Though yaoi is way more ridiculous than that... Should have
probably voted for that. Shounen ai can be an underlying element that is just a side part
of a story, but yaoi kind of overwrites everything else.
Pretty much this for me.
» CuthienSilmeriel on March 2nd, 2013, 4:06am
Quote from Scyfon
WOW....44.8% against Shounen Ai as I'm typing this. I'm gobsmacked o_o
erm..I think you've got it a little mixed up.
It currently stands at
Shoujo - 8.3%
Shounen - 3.1%
Seinen - 2.8%
Josei - 3%
Shoujo-ai - 2.1%
Shounen-ai -4.8%
Yaoi - 44.3%
Yuri - 11.2%
Hentai - 20.3%
» Scyfon on March 2nd, 2013, 12:02pm
Quote from CuthienSilmeriel
Quote from Scyfon
WOW....44.8% against Shounen Ai as I'm typing this. I'm gobsmacked o_o
erm..I think you've got it a little mixed up.
It currently stands at
Shoujo - 8.3%
Shounen - 3.1%
Seinen - 2.8%
Josei - 3%
Shoujo-ai - 2.1%
Shounen-ai -4.8%
Yaoi - 44.3%
Yuri - 11.2%
Hentai - 20.3%
LOL whoops~
Posted it late at night haha
Quote from aigaither
@philip72 actually genius I'm a homosexual man, glad to know where you stand on the I.Q. totem pole
He never claimed to know what your gender is or your sexual orientation...
» Chinmay on March 2nd, 2013, 1:19am
as a guy, i say Shounen ai because... i didn't pick Yaoi because for the most part that is mainly for girls and because of that i have never even peaked at one. but at the start of my manga days i somehow found myself reading Shounen ai and i was like wait wtf is happening. And i did not like where it was heading so i looked at genre and research and then omfg i found out lol.
» asmageddon on March 2nd, 2013, 1:23am
Wow, every next poll is worse than the last, now this is something. First off, this will be dominated by homophobic guys voting on Shounen Ai or Yaoi, second off, half of the choices aren't demographics but genres, and third off, this is a question that makes no sense. The least you would need would be multiple choice because it's hard to say which is the worst from among the derp trio of Josei, Shoujo and Shounen.
» jollychick on March 4th, 2013, 7:59pm
I really dislike it when people like you make such general assumptions. Let us take a look at the genre, or in this case demographic, of yaoi. It is a genre for WOMEN, bara is the genre made with men as the target audience. Why on Earth would a regular guy like yaoi?? It makes no sense! Of course the everyday dude would vote one of those two as a "most hated". I voted yaoi as my most hated, as well. Even though this is for women my age, I'm not even going to pick one up. It's basically a shoujo where a large-eyed, (usually) short male has replaced the female lead, so it's not that original anyway.
This is simply a poll asking which is your least favorite genre to read, it's not something that self-righteous losers can use to determine someone's point of view on homosexuality. I personally know a homosexual girl who hates reading yuri because of how "ideal" the coupling seems to her. I guess she's afraid of homosexuals too? FYI, disliking two of the most popular genres of manga, shoujo and shounen, doesn't make you special
.
This is simply a poll asking which is your least favorite genre to read, it's not something that self-righteous losers can use to determine someone's point of view on homosexuality. I personally know a homosexual girl who hates reading yuri because of how "ideal" the coupling seems to her. I guess she's afraid of homosexuals too? FYI, disliking two of the most popular genres of manga, shoujo and shounen, doesn't make you special
.» Allez on March 2nd, 2013, 1:40am
>>half of the choices aren't demographics but genres
THIS. We've had this kind of debate a couple of times already.
http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=35829
http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=8228&pa ge1=#post213808
http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=8228&pa ge=3#post214281
THIS. We've had this kind of debate a couple of times already.
http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=35829
http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=8228&pa ge1=#post213808
http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=8228&pa ge=3#post214281
» CuthienSilmeriel on March 2nd, 2013, 2:56am
Naturally, there are some demographic/genres I read more than others, so it is hard to compare given my very limited experience with hentai or yuri in comparison to shounen or josei. Also, I like manga based on the story and characters, not the demographic, so I tend to read from all demographics, though mainly from the non-sexual ones.
In the end, I chose hentai, because the few I have attempted to read have a plot line and characters as flimsy and 2-dimensional as actual porn, except it is a drawing. Given that real people going at it does nothing for me, it is hardly surprising that I have yet to even finish any hentai that has been recommended to me.
My least favourite non-sexual manga is harder, I dislike a lot of shounen, because it is full of over-done cliches and unnecessary ecchi. I dislike many shoujo manga as well, also because of cliches and the ridiculous girls found in shoujo, whose entire world revolves around a guy, who is usually a d**k. That just annoys me. I prefer shounen to shoujo, because at least fighting is somewhat interesting, unlike make-up. Having said that, there are too many good and bad points in both to really say for certain which annoys me more. Can I just say that I hate bad stories instead?
In the end, I chose hentai, because the few I have attempted to read have a plot line and characters as flimsy and 2-dimensional as actual porn, except it is a drawing. Given that real people going at it does nothing for me, it is hardly surprising that I have yet to even finish any hentai that has been recommended to me.
My least favourite non-sexual manga is harder, I dislike a lot of shounen, because it is full of over-done cliches and unnecessary ecchi. I dislike many shoujo manga as well, also because of cliches and the ridiculous girls found in shoujo, whose entire world revolves around a guy, who is usually a d**k. That just annoys me. I prefer shounen to shoujo, because at least fighting is somewhat interesting, unlike make-up. Having said that, there are too many good and bad points in both to really say for certain which annoys me more. Can I just say that I hate bad stories instead?
» SlyzertVoltrond on March 2nd, 2013, 3:22am
How can anybody hate Hentai? They're truly work of art impo. There's plenty of good stuff out there that cater to your fetishes.
That said, anyone who read Hentai expecting a deep plot or interesting characters or maybe good character development are freaking stupid. Sometimes they might have a semblance of either of those, but they are few and far between. Seriously, the only reason to read them is for the amazingly detailed art of females or perhaps you want to see characters that you like naked and doing naughty things (h-doujinshi).
Hentai is Porn, they're meant to be fap and drool over to.
They're not meant to be taken seriously, it's therefore very unfair comparing them to normal manga.
That said, anyone who read Hentai expecting a deep plot or interesting characters or maybe good character development are freaking stupid. Sometimes they might have a semblance of either of those, but they are few and far between. Seriously, the only reason to read them is for the amazingly detailed art of females or perhaps you want to see characters that you like naked and doing naughty things (h-doujinshi).
Hentai is Porn, they're meant to be fap and drool over to.
They're not meant to be taken seriously, it's therefore very unfair comparing them to normal manga.» deadphoenix on March 2nd, 2013, 3:36am
And so, if I see the numbers like they are now, I would say it has some homophobic feeling to it.
How can people chose anyway? I don't think that everyone has read at least five of each demographic, then how can you chose an option?
I would prefer a better chose of words for the manga poll question, the word 'hate' might invoke discriminating ideas.
Wel, I don not like fluffy manga ( manga with more flowers than people, that fluffy stuff). It's difficult to categorize this in a demographic content.
How can people chose anyway? I don't think that everyone has read at least five of each demographic, then how can you chose an option?
I would prefer a better chose of words for the manga poll question, the word 'hate' might invoke discriminating ideas.
Wel, I don not like fluffy manga ( manga with more flowers than people, that fluffy stuff). It's difficult to categorize this in a demographic content.
» haohao229900 on March 2nd, 2013, 5:59am
Quote from chomio
And so, if I see the numbers like they are now, I would say it has some homophobic feeling to it.
How can people chose anyway? I don't think that everyone has read at least five of each demographic, then how can you chose an option?
I would prefer a better chose of words for the manga poll question ...
How can people chose anyway? I don't think that everyone has read at least five of each demographic, then how can you chose an option?
I would prefer a better chose of words for the manga poll question ...
I agree with what was said here, its hard and unfair for people to choose without getting to at least know the demographic well enough to hate it. 'Hate' is too strong a word for something that you are not well aware of. i.e. I can say that I've read at least 5 of each of these demographic(with the exception of Shoujo ai and Yuri), and although I avoid Yuri, I didn't vote for it just because I avoided it.
» FormX on March 2nd, 2013, 3:39am
This poll will go this way:
- heterosexual (not necessarily homophobic) males/females will vote for yaoi/yuri
- people who consider themselves readers/intellectuals will vote for hentai
- the rest will vote for what they actually hate
pretty much.
- heterosexual (not necessarily homophobic) males/females will vote for yaoi/yuri
- people who consider themselves readers/intellectuals will vote for hentai
- the rest will vote for what they actually hate
pretty much.
» Ejaz on March 2nd, 2013, 4:52am
How about an option for "None"?
» ebisu on March 2nd, 2013, 5:59am
I would have picked Kodomo manga, but there is not that option...
I don't really hate any, so picking a "the most hated" proves a bit difficult. If I was asked some years ago I would have gone with yaoi or with josei. I found yaoi unappetizing and josei was just uninteresting, though I've pretty much read a bit of everything at least. There are great manga in every demographic..
I'll go with josei, for being normally weaker (though I know at least one good josei...). Why would you want Josei when you have epic and wonderful shounen seinen?
I don't really hate any, so picking a "the most hated" proves a bit difficult. If I was asked some years ago I would have gone with yaoi or with josei. I found yaoi unappetizing and josei was just uninteresting, though I've pretty much read a bit of everything at least. There are great manga in every demographic..
I'll go with josei, for being normally weaker (though I know at least one good josei...). Why would you want Josei when you have epic and wonderful shounen seinen?
» tactics on March 2nd, 2013, 6:18am
I went for Yaoi, but only because that's only type of demographic I will never, ever read.
I avoid Shounen Ai, but I have read manga with subtle hints in it before. I'm not a fan, but I don't mind it very very mild, so I thought I'd choose it's worse counterpart which I know I'll avoid like the plague.
I don't read much Josei, but I'd still give it a shot if I found it interesting enough, and I don't mind reading everything else. Yuri is probably one of my fav demographics
Yaoi is just something I wont read. Ever.
I avoid Shounen Ai, but I have read manga with subtle hints in it before. I'm not a fan, but I don't mind it very very mild, so I thought I'd choose it's worse counterpart which I know I'll avoid like the plague.
I don't read much Josei, but I'd still give it a shot if I found it interesting enough, and I don't mind reading everything else. Yuri is probably one of my fav demographics
Yaoi is just something I wont read. Ever.
» mizaki2100 on March 2nd, 2013, 6:30am
Hentai. I do read it once in a while but that's the one I hate the most on the list.
After hentai, I'm thinking it would either be Yuri (tolerable enough I guess) or Shounen (dislike most of them).
After hentai, I'm thinking it would either be Yuri (tolerable enough I guess) or Shounen (dislike most of them).
» LilyNanami on March 2nd, 2013, 6:58am
I chose Hentai though for me that involves Yuri, Shoujo ai, Shounen ai and Yaoi as well. I really can't stand those.
» strixflash on March 2nd, 2013, 7:35am
I guess I won't select any option. I can't say I dislike a demographic just because I am not the part of target audience.
» Tananda on March 2nd, 2013, 7:47am
I would have picked shota/loli-con but as there is no such option... hmm..
I can't really say I HATE any of them, some things just hold no interest for me.
I can't really say I HATE any of them, some things just hold no interest for me.
» mangum44 on March 2nd, 2013, 8:10am
This poll is terrible, and even more so for the lack of a "None" option. Shame on everyone involved.
» Unknown on March 2nd, 2013, 8:27am
Pretty bad poll seeing as there's a lot of good in every demographic.
Also, I am really saddened by the hentai hate. Yes, a lot of hentai out there is terrible, but read anything by Homunculus, Osuzu Akiomi, Yuuki Homura, or anything else from the handful of GOOD vanilla mangaka out there and you'll see why there's such a love for the genre.
Also, I am really saddened by the hentai hate. Yes, a lot of hentai out there is terrible, but read anything by Homunculus, Osuzu Akiomi, Yuuki Homura, or anything else from the handful of GOOD vanilla mangaka out there and you'll see why there's such a love for the genre.
» dosetsu on March 2nd, 2013, 8:31am
Weird poll, since you can't hate what you don't even pay attention to.
Here's the deal, I hate everything. Out of the three demographics that I actually read/pay attention to, I hate them all. I hate seinen when it isn't interesting, I hate josei when it isn't interesting and I definitely hate shonen when it isn't interesting.
But more importantly, I hate the webtoon genre. I hate it with a passion. I hate it even more as each day passes since I can't filter it out.
Here's the deal, I hate everything. Out of the three demographics that I actually read/pay attention to, I hate them all. I hate seinen when it isn't interesting, I hate josei when it isn't interesting and I definitely hate shonen when it isn't interesting.
But more importantly, I hate the webtoon genre. I hate it with a passion. I hate it even more as each day passes since I can't filter it out.
» luminousbrink on March 2nd, 2013, 9:01am
what a surprise, everyone hates yaoi. Although I can see why.
I read yaoi but only the good yaoi (which is hard to find anyway)
I read yaoi but only the good yaoi (which is hard to find anyway)
» aigaither on March 2nd, 2013, 9:43am
Hentai, because it so discriminatory against women; also for those homophobic people who voted against yaoi or shonen ai I only have this to say: if the world had more love in it, it would be a better place for us all, u included
» philip72 on March 2nd, 2013, 10:36am
Lol, hypocrite.
Yaoi is full of allegorical sexist tropes and misogynistic behavior acted out by genderless looking men. The whole seme and uke bit is an asexual reenactment of male sexual domination over women.
In addition, if you're female, the I guarantee your interest in yaoi is of a purely purient nature; and to talk about hentai the way you did is the height of hypocrisy.
Yaoi is full of allegorical sexist tropes and misogynistic behavior acted out by genderless looking men. The whole seme and uke bit is an asexual reenactment of male sexual domination over women.
In addition, if you're female, the I guarantee your interest in yaoi is of a purely purient nature; and to talk about hentai the way you did is the height of hypocrisy.
» loveppears on March 3rd, 2013, 10:28pm
@phillip
As someone that (somewhat shamefully) reads Yaoi, i cannot really argue with your points.
In fact, not only is there a lot of misogyny, there is actually a lot of homophobia from what I've seen. How ironic, right? i can't even count the amount of yaoi mangas I have read where the freaking SEME OR UKE (or both!) says "ewww homos yuck, that's disgusting. i love u though because i'm in love with you for some reason"
also, the whole "straight guy magically turned gay" thing creeps the hell out of me. then again that probably should be a ~hot fantasy~ for me since im a gay male and all.
As someone that (somewhat shamefully) reads Yaoi, i cannot really argue with your points.
In fact, not only is there a lot of misogyny, there is actually a lot of homophobia from what I've seen. How ironic, right? i can't even count the amount of yaoi mangas I have read where the freaking SEME OR UKE (or both!) says "ewww homos yuck, that's disgusting. i love u though because i'm in love with you for some reason"
also, the whole "straight guy magically turned gay" thing creeps the hell out of me. then again that probably should be a ~hot fantasy~ for me since im a gay male and all.
» jollychick on March 4th, 2013, 8:14pm
YOU are my hero ! This is exactly my sentiment on yaoi. I was shocked at all the "girl-hating" and, strangely enough, "homosexual-hating" going on in that genre. The domination thing that you mentioned...whew! What's really disturbing is how many titles in the yaoi genre use some form of force to get the uke to go along with the relationship. Amazing that some people who've never read it can so easily call out a flaw in others for disliking it.
! This is exactly my sentiment on yaoi. I was shocked at all the "girl-hating" and, strangely enough, "homosexual-hating" going on in that genre. The domination thing that you mentioned...whew! What's really disturbing is how many titles in the yaoi genre use some form of force to get the uke to go along with the relationship. Amazing that some people who've never read it can so easily call out a flaw in others for disliking it.» Cherelle Ashlee on March 2nd, 2013, 10:26am
LOL I knew Yaoi would have been leading. However, the only genre I don't read that much is Shoujo Ai and Yuri but I don't hate it. Its my least favorite, I would rather read a good Yaoi than Yuri any day :3.
» philip72 on March 2nd, 2013, 10:37am
That's because you're a heterosexual girl. Thanks for pointing out the obvious.
» Cherelle Ashlee on March 2nd, 2013, 12:59pm
Quote from philip72
That's because you're a heterosexual girl. Thanks for pointing out the obvious.
Yes, because your that intelligent enough to be able to justify my sexual orientation based on the few words I've said. Thanks.
» philip72 on March 2nd, 2013, 4:00pm
Well it's blatantly obvious.
You say you have a strong dislike of lesbian themes, but you love watching/reading about handsome young men humping each other.
If you were bi or lesbian, you wouldn't be so averse to yuri.
And (with the exception of tranny strippers) Cherelle Ashlee is definitely a female moniker.
So by process of elimination, based on the few words you've said. I'm confident you're a heterosexual female.
And you're welcome.
You say you have a strong dislike of lesbian themes, but you love watching/reading about handsome young men humping each other.
If you were bi or lesbian, you wouldn't be so averse to yuri.
And (with the exception of tranny strippers) Cherelle Ashlee is definitely a female moniker.
So by process of elimination, based on the few words you've said. I'm confident you're a heterosexual female.
And you're welcome.
» Cherelle Ashlee on March 2nd, 2013, 10:04pm
Quote from philip72
Well it's blatantly obvious.
You say you have a strong dislike of lesbian themes, but you love watching/reading about handsome young men humping each other.
If you were bi or lesbian, you wouldn't be so averse to yuri.
And (with the exception of tranny strippers) Cherelle Ashlee is definitely a ...
You say you have a strong dislike of lesbian themes, but you love watching/reading about handsome young men humping each other.
If you were bi or lesbian, you wouldn't be so averse to yuri.
And (with the exception of tranny strippers) Cherelle Ashlee is definitely a ...
Actually, I've said that its my least favorite, which in actuality means that I do read Yuri.Quite a few actually, never have I once said that I strongly detest them.
Also, P.S: We get it, you hate yaoi and you've already came to the conclusion that only "heterosexual girls" read them. You don't have to start an argument just to justify your own opinion.
» AceBunneh on March 2nd, 2013, 10:50am
Hm..... I voted for yaoi because when it comes to yaoi I mostly just find smut.
At least hentai doesn't present it self as having a plot, and sometimes it actually does have a plot and can be interesting...
Smut on the other hand not so much...
All the same, there is good yaoi too, and honestly I read everything. I don't really hate any genre. x]]
Lastly, if anyone thinks that a genre discriminates and stereotypes against a group (men, women, homosexuals, etc..) then you're a complete hypocrite because you are stereotyping a genre. You can claim it doesn't hurt anyone, but it can spread ignorance and hurt a demographic which could lead to a decline for them, and hurt people financially. Moreover a decline in a demographic could also hurt it's loyal fans and followers, which would hurt emotionally also because of the loss of something loved.
Any who.. I think that's all I have to say. >.>; I'm probably going to go lurk elsewhere now.
At least hentai doesn't present it self as having a plot, and sometimes it actually does have a plot and can be interesting...
Smut on the other hand not so much...
All the same, there is good yaoi too, and honestly I read everything. I don't really hate any genre. x]]
Lastly, if anyone thinks that a genre discriminates and stereotypes against a group (men, women, homosexuals, etc..) then you're a complete hypocrite because you are stereotyping a genre. You can claim it doesn't hurt anyone, but it can spread ignorance and hurt a demographic which could lead to a decline for them, and hurt people financially. Moreover a decline in a demographic could also hurt it's loyal fans and followers, which would hurt emotionally also because of the loss of something loved.
Any who.. I think that's all I have to say. >.>; I'm probably going to go lurk elsewhere now.
» kurokaze on March 2nd, 2013, 11:28am
I'm back after a long absence.I have to agree with a lot of people who commented that the word "hate" a bit too much/ strong for this poll. Also it was kind of pointless in my opinion since it's kind of obvious yaoi would be "it".
Now as for me i didn't vote just hit the view button, since I don't hate any of the choices. If it had been which i read the least of it would be yaoi, now don't get me wrong plenty of times i've been attracted to the title and/ or plot but the idea of seeing two guys going at it keeps me away.
Now for those who would imply that doing such a thing is homophobic are just haters trying to start arguments. I mean common if i were homophobic i wouldn't be willing to read much less enjoy yuri since it also involves same gender sexual intercourse.
And last how can anyone hate Hentai. I mean Hentai is awesome and certainly better than porn, you don't have to get annoyed at the non-acting skill you find in porn. Though it is thru that no one watches porn for the acting but still I try to watch porn and get irritated/ annoyed with the acting and stop watching it. And most of the drawn characters are hotter than most porn stars out there.
So those were my two cents
» aigaither on March 2nd, 2013, 11:55am
@philip72 actually genius I'm a homosexual man, glad to know where you stand on the I.Q. totem pole
» PansyWansyLinsy on March 2nd, 2013, 12:02pm
Well as usual, the poll question could have used a bit of tweaking. Instead of hate, I'm sure a phrase better suited for this subject would have been least likely to read, dislike, or unappealing. And the choices could have been better thought out, as some have all ready mentioned. If that had been the case and certain other genres were to be included, then I'm sure shota/loli-con would have gotten its fair share of votes too.
As for me, I voted hentai for very obvious reasons. It's not a knee-jerk reaction as I have read (if you can call it reading) some of them. Shoujo ai and yuri would have probably followed, but it's not a "hate" reaction for these two genres, just that I find the subject matter unappealing.
As for me, I voted hentai for very obvious reasons. It's not a knee-jerk reaction as I have read (if you can call it reading) some of them. Shoujo ai and yuri would have probably followed, but it's not a "hate" reaction for these two genres, just that I find the subject matter unappealing.
» Damnedman on March 2nd, 2013, 12:32pm
Voting for yaoi is like beating a dead horse, but that's the only genre that I actually could not finish even one story. I was under the impression that there's a more or less even split between guys and girls on this site, so why is there so much more hate (more than the other top 3 combined)? I expected yuri and hentai combined to have around the same amount of votes.
» calstine on March 3rd, 2013, 8:39am
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Voting for yaoi is like beating a dead horse, but that's the only genre that I actually could not finish even one story. I was under the impression that there's a more or less even split between guys and girls on this site, so why is there so much more hate (more than the other top 3 combined)? I ex ...
Actually, that's a common misconception: while the target audience for BL is most definitely heterosexual and bisexual women, I doubt most straight or bi women read yaoi / shounen-ai: why should they when there's so much het romance with better plots / art / characterisation? Only a small potion of heterosexual and bisexual women like BL, all heterosexual men dislike it, and imo quite a few homosexual and bisexual men must have voted against it too, since BL is likely too flowery and female-oriented and romanticised for their tastes.
A lot of heterosexual and bisexual men like hentai; and even if they don't, they still dislike BL more, so they'll vote for that. Ditto for straight and bi women - though I think almost all the votes against hentai must have been cast by the girls, simply because a lot of hentai is obviously male-oriented and of the "average (or ugly) guy gets ravished by / gets to ravish a smoking hot F-cup girl" variety.
As for yuri... Female homosexuality simply doesn't seem to raise as much controversy as its male equivalent; though why, I can't really say. Probably because people seem to think of it as more innocent and "pure" and romantic and "stemming from true love and not the blind lust you find between two men."
As for the accusations of homophobia... Let's face it: most living creatures (humans not excluded) are predisposed to dislike/mistrust/be fearful of things that aren't like them. And since the majority of the world population - the Mangaupdates community obviously included - is heterosexual, homophobia is a given. As long as it's not physically acted upon and is merely inside people's heads / on forums / in the form of poll results, there's not much anyone can - or even should - do about it.
Which brings me to my previous point: this poll is pointless, since anyone with any sense can guess the result. But I suppose I can't really talk because I haven't come up with any good ideas for a poll either
» train93 on March 2nd, 2013, 12:59pm
I voted for Yaoi. And I can easily explain why.
I kinda dislike Shoujo and Josei, but I did read some good stories from these demographics.
Choosing Shoujo ai or Shounen ai is kinda pointless, because they're just mild versions of Yuri and Yaoi. So it was between Yuri, Yaoi and Hentai. I chose Yaoi because in the other two there are girls at least, but I actually don't read any of them.
I would have chosen Lolicon, though, if there was such an option. I may not like Yaoi, but I hate Lolicon.
I kinda dislike Shoujo and Josei, but I did read some good stories from these demographics.
Choosing Shoujo ai or Shounen ai is kinda pointless, because they're just mild versions of Yuri and Yaoi. So it was between Yuri, Yaoi and Hentai. I chose Yaoi because in the other two there are girls at least, but I actually don't read any of them.
I would have chosen Lolicon, though, if there was such an option. I may not like Yaoi, but I hate Lolicon.
» Pikapu on March 2nd, 2013, 1:01pm
I voted yaoi. No, I am not homophobic. Gay couples are pretty cute IRL. I could go on and on about my stance on gay rights. But that's not the point. It's not that I hate yaoi. Simply put, it's just a genre that I wouldn't be able to and prefer not to read (shounen-ai included).
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» Pionfou on March 2nd, 2013, 1:40pm
Hate is such a strong word. I don't think I've ever hated something fictional.
I've wanted to gouge my eyes out over how bad/boring some series are (e.g. SDF Macross) but I still can't say I hated it. I just wish I'd never watched it.
So I have to say the genre I feel most apathetic about is yaoi, although I don't go searching for yuri either (anymore, at one point... although I've gone through lots of phases with really obscure genres).
I guess the thing about yaoi and yuri is that 99% of them are just terrible. They're poorly written romances that would be ignored if not for the fact that they include some kind of shallow idealized homosexual relationships for opposite gender heterosexuals. (I guess for other demographics it'd be closer to something like 95%?)
I'd be perfectly happy to read something like Aoi Hana but yaoi. But I'm long past the point where I'd go read a few dozen series to find one I like.
I've wanted to gouge my eyes out over how bad/boring some series are (e.g. SDF Macross) but I still can't say I hated it. I just wish I'd never watched it.
So I have to say the genre I feel most apathetic about is yaoi, although I don't go searching for yuri either (anymore, at one point... although I've gone through lots of phases with really obscure genres).
I guess the thing about yaoi and yuri is that 99% of them are just terrible. They're poorly written romances that would be ignored if not for the fact that they include some kind of shallow idealized homosexual relationships for opposite gender heterosexuals. (I guess for other demographics it'd be closer to something like 95%?)
I'd be perfectly happy to read something like Aoi Hana but yaoi. But I'm long past the point where I'd go read a few dozen series to find one I like.
» Joentjuh on March 2nd, 2013, 1:41pm
Shounen-ai (and thus also Yaoi), not that I dislike that particular genre, but I dislike the 'culture' that surrounds it. The constant need for stereotyping everything, rarely have I read a shounen-ai manga where the two leading characters are actually 'normal' human males (not extremely top/bottom).
And, of course, Hentai... And even worse (because it's harder to avoid), Ecchi (+Yaoi +Yuri). Many a good manga story are (in my opinion) ruined by the mangakas need to introduce excessive panty-shots, annoying innuendo, perverted male (these days even female) characters, pointless shower/onsen scenes, and (pixelated) sexual acts.
And, of course, Hentai... And even worse (because it's harder to avoid), Ecchi (+Yaoi +Yuri). Many a good manga story are (in my opinion) ruined by the mangakas need to introduce excessive panty-shots, annoying innuendo, perverted male (these days even female) characters, pointless shower/onsen scenes, and (pixelated) sexual acts.
» Blique on March 2nd, 2013, 2:02pm
I was surprised about yaoi leading by so much, but if it's about the "culture", that's understandable. There's hardly a culture for yuri by comparison...I guess porn is already a norm, so hentai doesn't make as much of an impact on people.
I voted hentai, because based on all the manga I've read, hentai got my lowest ratings on average. Josei was very, very close though.
I think it all depends on which specific manga you read though. Josei has the potential for amazing stories, but most josei manga use and reuse a small amount of that potential, leading readers to think that's the best they can do. Same goes for all of the genres.
I voted hentai, because based on all the manga I've read, hentai got my lowest ratings on average. Josei was very, very close though.
I think it all depends on which specific manga you read though. Josei has the potential for amazing stories, but most josei manga use and reuse a small amount of that potential, leading readers to think that's the best they can do. Same goes for all of the genres.
» MewMan on March 2nd, 2013, 2:07pm
Shounen.
I just can't believe that the same shit can keeps appearing and getting axed over and over again.
I don't read Shounen-ai/Yaoi so didn't vote for them.
I just can't believe that the same shit can keeps appearing and getting axed over and over again.
I don't read Shounen-ai/Yaoi so didn't vote for them.
» kirabook on March 2nd, 2013, 3:57pm
I'll just quote something that I wrote in "Manga that scarred you for life"
I'm a girl and supposedly we're supposed to find yaoi appealing, but it's just as appealing to me as homosexual girls acting that way towards each other or a heterosexual couple acting that way to each other. It's just gross.
I don't read yaoi or yuri (or shounen-ai/shoujo-ai) but back in the day when I first got into manga and didn't know any better or understand what was going on, it seemed to me that a few of the yaoi mangas I read had EVERYONE homosexual and perverted. That's just unrealistic.
I don't mind if in some random shounen or shoujo there are some or a quite a few characters that are actually homosexual. There are homosexual people in this world who are no different than other characters, that's a normal situation that doesn't give me the creeps.
But some yaoi mangas.... it's just too weird. Too much exaggeration. That goes for a majority of hentai too, but there are reasonable hentais out there. (very very very few) Much of the yaoi genre seems to be over exaggerated, so of this list, it is my most hated.
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Didn't know much about manga way back when or what some genre's were.... like yaoi.... one of the first I accidentally read... I quickly found out what NOT to download. >.> *shivers* Never again.... *was so confused and innocent back then* Still.... never again..... *eye twitch* no
I'm a girl and supposedly we're supposed to find yaoi appealing, but it's just as appealing to me as homosexual girls acting that way towards each other or a heterosexual couple acting that way to each other. It's just gross.
I don't read yaoi or yuri (or shounen-ai/shoujo-ai) but back in the day when I first got into manga and didn't know any better or understand what was going on, it seemed to me that a few of the yaoi mangas I read had EVERYONE homosexual and perverted. That's just unrealistic.
I don't mind if in some random shounen or shoujo there are some or a quite a few characters that are actually homosexual. There are homosexual people in this world who are no different than other characters, that's a normal situation that doesn't give me the creeps.
But some yaoi mangas.... it's just too weird. Too much exaggeration. That goes for a majority of hentai too, but there are reasonable hentais out there. (very very very few) Much of the yaoi genre seems to be over exaggerated, so of this list, it is my most hated.
» PansyWansyLinsy on March 2nd, 2013, 5:47pm
Not exactly. It's not that all females find yaoi appealing, it's more like most yaoi readers are female. I don't have the exact numbers up my sleeve, but I don't think I'd be going out on a limb when I say that either.
So what, you don't like romance/smut? Better to say that than just to single out yaoi.
Yaoi is about as realistic as some of the shoujo, shounen, smut or hentai titles out there. Yaoi has it's failings as much as the other genres. I mean, are we really debating realism in manga? How often is it that the most popular, smartest, and best-looking guy in high school falls head over heels in love with everyday Plain Jane? And not just one, but two guys when the inevitable love triangle happens?
Yaoi, weird (I'm not sure what your definition of weird is)? Men engaging in sexual acts with one another is too much, but all the tentacle rape that occurs in hentai isn't? Just chalk it up to taste, you don't like reading about homosexual sex, that's fine, but let's not pretend that yaoi is any worse than any other genre out there - especially hentai.
So what, you don't like romance/smut? Better to say that than just to single out yaoi.
Yaoi is about as realistic as some of the shoujo, shounen, smut or hentai titles out there. Yaoi has it's failings as much as the other genres. I mean, are we really debating realism in manga? How often is it that the most popular, smartest, and best-looking guy in high school falls head over heels in love with everyday Plain Jane? And not just one, but two guys when the inevitable love triangle happens?
Yaoi, weird (I'm not sure what your definition of weird is)? Men engaging in sexual acts with one another is too much, but all the tentacle rape that occurs in hentai isn't? Just chalk it up to taste, you don't like reading about homosexual sex, that's fine, but let's not pretend that yaoi is any worse than any other genre out there - especially hentai.
» kirabook on March 2nd, 2013, 4:14pm
Are you speaking about me? If that's the case, you must not have read anything I said at all. I do not like reading about men humping each other (or women), especially if the point is just to have 2 dudes all over each other. It's just like some hentai to me, it's gross and unreal.
The only yaoi I read was by mistake when I was what.. 13/14 years old maybe? I haven't touched one sense, but yaoi is hard to avoid in many fandoms because it seems girls like it so much. I particularly hate yaoi when fanbases depict completely straight men as homosexual (i.e: Kingdom Hearts and Naruto) Not only that, they make ALL the male characters homosexual and the female characters suddenly disappear into oblivion or they all go homosexual for each other as well.
I guess all in all, I don't find over exaggerated sexual scenes or situations appealing. All yaoi probably isn't like the yaoi I envision it to be, but fanarts, yaoi covers, and yaoi fangirls make me think otherwise.
It is strange though. Are girls expected to like seeing guys all over each other like men are supposed to like women all over each other? (And I'm not really trying to get into real life situations here, just in the entertainment manga/anime field here)
The only yaoi I read was by mistake when I was what.. 13/14 years old maybe? I haven't touched one sense, but yaoi is hard to avoid in many fandoms because it seems girls like it so much. I particularly hate yaoi when fanbases depict completely straight men as homosexual (i.e: Kingdom Hearts and Naruto) Not only that, they make ALL the male characters homosexual and the female characters suddenly disappear into oblivion or they all go homosexual for each other as well.
I guess all in all, I don't find over exaggerated sexual scenes or situations appealing. All yaoi probably isn't like the yaoi I envision it to be, but fanarts, yaoi covers, and yaoi fangirls make me think otherwise.
It is strange though. Are girls expected to like seeing guys all over each other like men are supposed to like women all over each other? (And I'm not really trying to get into real life situations here, just in the entertainment manga/anime field here)
» Mamsmilk on March 2nd, 2013, 4:19pm
No, he isn't. See what the post is a reply to.
» Transdude1996 on March 2nd, 2013, 5:01pm
Like many people have stated before, this shouldn't be a poll. It's like making a poll asking which genre of video games, or which TV station is the worst. Even though I avoid some of these demographics, every demographic can have the most beautiful story ever made and, at the same time, have the biggest piece of sh*t that you have ever seen.
» Nirhtuc on March 2nd, 2013, 6:34pm
Woah, why hate? 
And lol so many yaoi haters when that is my favourite genre- I wonder what the gender demographics are on BMU 'cuz I'm sure that's mostly guys talking ! I dislike shoujo and hentai the most, but I'm open to reading anything else except those two genres.
And lol so many yaoi haters when that is my favourite genre- I wonder what the gender demographics are on BMU 'cuz I'm sure that's mostly guys talking
! I dislike shoujo and hentai the most, but I'm open to reading anything else except those two genres.» tororo on March 2nd, 2013, 7:42pm
I don't know if it counts, but I hate ecchi the most. Not that I read hentai but I'd rather read it than to read ecchi.
» gekokujou on March 3rd, 2013, 2:48am
I read hentai from time to time (like it least from the poll list, though) and I must totally agree - I can't stand ecchi. It's not for everyone...
» amaranthine on March 2nd, 2013, 7:53pm
I voted hentai.
But if it were included, I would've picked smut. I just can't stand smut shoujo, shounen-ai, yaoi, etc... Any kind of smut is f'ed up.
But if it were included, I would've picked smut. I just can't stand smut shoujo, shounen-ai, yaoi, etc... Any kind of smut is f'ed up.
» evilcleo on March 2nd, 2013, 8:51pm
Ironic yaoi is leading. I mean, as much hatred towards it is shown, it has just as many successful manga series as any of the other genres. Has anyone tried reading manga on mangago? There's a 80% chance than any random manga you pick, it's probably yaoi or shounen ai.
» jollychick on March 4th, 2013, 8:35pm
Well...I'd say that a site like mangago isn't exactly a good example of a collection of diverse manga. A reader site like manga fox or a download site like manga traders might be a better example of a "butt load" (no pun intended) of manga in one spot. Shounen manga usually tends to be the leader in popularity. I'd venture to say about 80% of the "classic" old-school manga series, the ones that most of the adults here would recognize as one of the greats, is shounen as well.
It would seem this poll was made to spark confrontations and it's succeeded rather well. The obvious fact is, most females will vote for hentai and most males will vote for yaoi/shounen ai. It's not a thing of real life hate in all cases. It's really just a reflection of how successful these manga are with their target audiences and how . Each genre has it's strengths and weaknesses, so the question should really be "which genre do you read the least?"
It would seem this poll was made to spark confrontations and it's succeeded rather well. The obvious fact is, most females will vote for hentai and most males will vote for yaoi/shounen ai. It's not a thing of real life hate in all cases. It's really just a reflection of how successful these manga are with their target audiences and how . Each genre has it's strengths and weaknesses, so the question should really be "which genre do you read the least?"
» bstgirl08 on March 2nd, 2013, 9:01pm
I've voted Yaoi. Oh! how i HATE it! I'm not going to sit here say it's my least fav. I seriously don't like it. I accidentally read one and almost threw up.
» Gen17 on March 2nd, 2013, 9:05pm
Hentai.....
» themasterwarlord on March 2nd, 2013, 9:35pm
I hate Yaoi.
By the way, I don't really mind having gay people as friends, but I personally find gay things repulsive. I always thought this still made me count as homophobic, but what do you guys think?
I'm confused sometimes how most people who says they hate Yaoi doesn't think themselves as homophobic. Just like it's fine to be gay, isn't it also OK to be homophobic? Not to say that everyone who hates Yaoi is homophobic, just, why is homophobic deemed so negative? Is it reverse peer pressure or something?
By the way, I don't really mind having gay people as friends, but I personally find gay things repulsive. I always thought this still made me count as homophobic, but what do you guys think?
I'm confused sometimes how most people who says they hate Yaoi doesn't think themselves as homophobic. Just like it's fine to be gay, isn't it also OK to be homophobic? Not to say that everyone who hates Yaoi is homophobic, just, why is homophobic deemed so negative? Is it reverse peer pressure or something?
» lynira on March 2nd, 2013, 9:40pm
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Ironic yaoi is leading. I mean, as much hatred towards it is shown, it has just as many successful manga series as any of the other genres. Has anyone tried reading manga on mangago? There's a 80% chance than any random manga you pick, it's probably yaoi or shounen ai.
Actually, that may be one of the reasons hatred for BL is so strong. People who don't like yaoi very quickly become annoyed when yaoi manga and doujinshi pop up everywhere they look. Another reason may be the hatred for BL fans... the stereotype is a squealing and drooling, obsessive, brainless, weeaboo fangirl, and nobody wants to encounter one of those. Whether most BL fans are actually like that doesn't really matter, the mere image of such a repulsive creature is enough to make some people hate whatever triggered that behavior.
As for me, even though I am opposed to the bottom five choices for moral reasons, I wouldn't say I "hate" them... I just think it'd be best for everyone if those kinds of manga weren't around. Anyway, I guess I will pick yaoi, because out of the bottom five, I find it the most annoying. I'm tired of seeing so much of it, and also I find the typical yaoi art style terrible (mainly the faces).
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Just like it's fine to be gay, isn't it also OK to be homophobic? Not to say that everyone who hates Yaoi is homophobic, just, why is homophobic deemed so negative?
This poll thread isn't really meant to be a discussion about the morality of homosexuality or homophobia (and also, such a controversial topic is likely to take off with a lot of replies), so in the future, please be careful not to ask questions which would start an off-topic discussion.» caitnap on March 2nd, 2013, 9:42pm
hentai, I am a girl so...this only serve to annoy me
especially when it's random and has no function other than fan-service
when you are reading good story,but ended up *cough* have to read it in hiding
because it will be awkward went your parent see what you are reading XD
though why shounen ai is higher than yaoi is puzzling
I mean, yaoi is more...intense version of shounen ai, so if you dislike that,you should dislike yaoi more,right?
I have no problem with shounen/shoujo ai, they are mostly a "touch" of affection and nothing more. Not really into romance centered story plot, so I hardly have problem with this yaoi/yuri. rarely read one anyway.
especially when it's random and has no function other than fan-service
when you are reading good story,but ended up *cough* have to read it in hiding
because it will be awkward went your parent see what you are reading XD
though why shounen ai is higher than yaoi is puzzling
I mean, yaoi is more...intense version of shounen ai, so if you dislike that,you should dislike yaoi more,right?
I have no problem with shounen/shoujo ai, they are mostly a "touch" of affection and nothing more. Not really into romance centered story plot, so I hardly have problem with this yaoi/yuri. rarely read one anyway.
» Mamsmilk on March 3rd, 2013, 12:02am
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though why shounen ai is higher than yaoi is puzzling
I mean, yaoi is more...intense version of shounen ai, so if you dislike that,you should dislike yaoi more,right?
I mean, yaoi is more...intense version of shounen ai, so if you dislike that,you should dislike yaoi more,right?
It isn't above it. The indicators are above the text. It's kind of badly designed in that sense, as they aren't really graphs, just short stubs.
Whoever is responsible of the poll layout, should probably fix that or make some kind of separators for ease of reading.
» frodfy on March 2nd, 2013, 10:45pm
Incorrect wording of the question + inappropriate options=Meaningless Poll
Then again, I have never suggested any poll, so I shouldn't criticize.
Then again, I have never suggested any poll, so I shouldn't criticize.
» Akillarian on March 2nd, 2013, 11:42pm
Hate is a strong word. I have also tried and read all the demographic, and will probably will continue reading them all in the future because just one will not sustain my reading craving and I'm an extremely picky and selective reader.
I will vote it it has the Shota or Lolita option
I will vote it it has the Shota or Lolita option
» ChoppaPika on March 2nd, 2013, 11:53pm
I strongly dislike yaoi manga ;-; I'm not against BL but I just want to see a good adventurous romance manga T-T Lately there're so many yaoi mangas branded as new mangas in Mangafox latest release! T^T
» kurokaze on March 3rd, 2013, 12:15am
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I strongly dislike yaoi manga ;-; I'm not against BL but I just want to see a good adventurous romance manga T-T Lately there're so many yaoi mangas branded as new mangas in Mangafox latest release! T^T
T^T I know it's annoying they should have a filter option for yaoi like this site does.
» BlackOrion on March 3rd, 2013, 3:33am
To be honest I'm not into the whole "blaming the demography for the crimes of specific manga" but to vote for once in the poll i went for Yaoi, because... you know... machismo and all that shit, but no hard feelings, perverts girls need their fixes of "odd" things too.
» Vesey on March 3rd, 2013, 7:07am
It took me minute to realize what the question was asking. At first I basically read it like which group of people do you hate the most, shoujo readers/fans, shounen readers/fans... I was like woah prejudice much.
But then I figured out it was more about demographic influence on content. Which genre has tropes you hate that seem to result from a (perhaps misguided) attempt to appeal to it core demographic. Ultimately I went with shoujo because it has the highest amount of cliches and worst of all it's a few send out a bad message to it's young impressionable demographic. That said there is still a lot of good shoujo out there.
I think I maybe should have went with hentai because I still read a fair amount of shoujo where as hentai I pretty much avoid because it's so dude oriented what with the wonky female anatomy and sometimes physics. Not that every hentai is guilty of this but its more common then (I think) it should be to the point I don't think its worth looking for the exceptions.
But then I figured out it was more about demographic influence on content. Which genre has tropes you hate that seem to result from a (perhaps misguided) attempt to appeal to it core demographic. Ultimately I went with shoujo because it has the highest amount of cliches and worst of all it's a few send out a bad message to it's young impressionable demographic. That said there is still a lot of good shoujo out there.
I think I maybe should have went with hentai because I still read a fair amount of shoujo where as hentai I pretty much avoid because it's so dude oriented what with the wonky female anatomy and sometimes physics. Not that every hentai is guilty of this but its more common then (I think) it should be to the point I don't think its worth looking for the exceptions.
» Blique on March 3rd, 2013, 10:26am
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I've voted Yaoi. Oh! how i HATE it! I'm not going to sit here say it's my least fav. I seriously don't like it. I accidentally read one and almost threw up.
Way to base your view of an entire genre on one manga.
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Actually, that's a common misconception: while the target audience for BL is most definitely heterosexual and bisexual women, I doubt most straight or bi women read yaoi / shounen-ai: why should they when there's so much het romance with better plots / art / characterisation?
Comparing shounen ai with het romance is reasonable, but yaoi is completely different. Yaoi is pretty much porn, but tailored to female tastes. There are very few scanlated het manga that can be compared to yaoi. In Japan, there's an entire genre for such "women's hentai", but it's unfortunately ignored by scanlators for some reason.
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Only a small potion of heterosexual and bisexual women like BL, all heterosexual men dislike it, and imo quite a few homosexual and bisexual men must have voted against it too, since BL is likely too flowery and female-oriented and romanticised for their tastes.
I know quite a few heterosexual guys who like yaoi. Interestingly, most of them aren't from America...Maybe "gay" is used as such a common insult in America that guys try to stay away from anything that would make them appear "un-manly"?
» mastergil on March 3rd, 2013, 10:58am
I voted for yaoi just because I like boys-girl's couples more, I read a few yaoi's but they didn't give me the same feeling, I don't hate it but it's the one I like the least.
» Unknown on March 3rd, 2013, 1:39pm
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» mannyneves on March 3rd, 2013, 1:40pm
I don't hate any of the listed. I'm not a big fan of Yuri, but i don't dislike it either. What I hate is lolicon and shotacon. If there ever comes a referendum to ban it, they would have my vote. But since it's not in the list, i don't know which to vote for.
» voraciouszest on March 3rd, 2013, 2:30pm
I actually voted for Shoujo, but if I had two votes I'd add Shounen to the mix. Of course, my comments should be taken in general and not directed at any specific series. In general, I hate shoujo the most because it contains a lot of tropes, plot twists and character types that I find intensely annoying. I hate, hate, hate the fact that in the vast majority of shoujo and shounen series, a very thin and (only in my opinion) vapid storyline is stretched to breaking point over a multitude of volumes.
For the most part, I find that I can't connect with female characters in manga. Perhaps it has something to do with a difference in culture, or with the quality of the story, but I find the way that girls and women are portrayed in (most) manga to be alienating to me.
I'd actually read yuri and hentai before I picked up a shoujo or shounen series. I just can't stomach them. But I think that has more to do with my age group than anything else. If I were 13, I'd love shoujo to death.
So yeah, obviously I like yaoi/shounen-ai the best and I don't particularly care about the fact that people on this site hate it the most. I mean, in English-speaking countries, the main demographic for manga is male readers aged 14 - 24.
For the most part, I find that I can't connect with female characters in manga. Perhaps it has something to do with a difference in culture, or with the quality of the story, but I find the way that girls and women are portrayed in (most) manga to be alienating to me.
I'd actually read yuri and hentai before I picked up a shoujo or shounen series. I just can't stomach them. But I think that has more to do with my age group than anything else. If I were 13, I'd love shoujo to death.
So yeah, obviously I like yaoi/shounen-ai the best and I don't particularly care about the fact that people on this site hate it the most. I mean, in English-speaking countries, the main demographic for manga is male readers aged 14 - 24.
» -shiratori- on March 3rd, 2013, 3:30pm
I like this poll, it gives lots of room for controversy and drama. I'd pick hentai doujins if there was an option for it, but since there isn't I go for yaoi since it's annoying. You cannot ignore it and it's present on every manga related website. Even here, when I search for specific category tags without blending it out, yaoi usually fills the whole list since there is so much of it. So yeah, that's one of the reasons why I hate yaoi.
By the way I heard that a significant minority of yaoi readers are actually straight males. And since I cannot imagine a single reason aside from intellectual interest why I would read yaoi as a heterosexual male this is very interesting to me. So, is any one of the yaoi readers here actually male and not gay?
By the way I heard that a significant minority of yaoi readers are actually straight males. And since I cannot imagine a single reason aside from intellectual interest why I would read yaoi as a heterosexual male this is very interesting to me. So, is any one of the yaoi readers here actually male and not gay?
» StaticHD on March 3rd, 2013, 6:46pm
The closest Yoai type of series I've ever considered reading at all would be dick-Girls (Futa/Futanari). That is the closest you'll see a sane heterosexual male would be reading. Unless a heterosexual male was helping out a scanlation group or publishing company with a yaoi title, there is just no way you'll EVEN see an 80% straight-male reading yaoi. (80% meaning a guy who acts like a frightened wuss.)
I don't actually hate yaoi. I dislike it, but I don't hate it. What I hate is shounen-ai. All that lovey-dovey male on male crap with a guy having girly eyes and the usual bishi-face and they kiss each other? WTF!!! It's like a girl who reads this YAOI crap WISHES that they had a dick. This fantasy is just tooo out of wack for me. If you girls wish you had dicks, then just read FUTA and spare us the trouble of publishing your homo series.
Then I hear that there are actually male authors who draw this Yaoi or Shounen-Ai stuff Gladly, there stuff aren't even as popular and they don't sell as well as the female yaoi authors. It makes you realize that yaoi and shounen-ai is truly targeted at bishi-loving female dick-wishers.
I don't actually hate yaoi. I dislike it, but I don't hate it. What I hate is shounen-ai. All that lovey-dovey male on male crap with a guy having girly eyes and the usual bishi-face and they kiss each other? WTF!!!
It's like a girl who reads this YAOI crap WISHES that they had a dick. This fantasy is just tooo out of wack for me. If you girls wish you had dicks, then just read FUTA and spare us the trouble of publishing your homo series.Then I hear that there are actually male authors who draw this Yaoi or Shounen-Ai stuff
Gladly, there stuff aren't even as popular and they don't sell as well as the female yaoi authors. It makes you realize that yaoi and shounen-ai is truly targeted at bishi-loving female dick-wishers.» Sari90 on March 4th, 2013, 6:31am
Wow!! It's nice to see someone who knows every single yaoi fan in the world!!!1! Seriously dude, way to generalize. I like yaoi and shounen ai, but I don't wish to have a penis, at all. I'm guessing you think guys who like yuri wish to have a vagina, right?
Yeah because other genres never have guys with girly eyes and bishi-faces, nope never.
Also, two guys being in love is not crap. If you are in love with someone, you are going to want hold their hand, kiss them, or do anything else that is intimate.
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What I hate is shounen-ai. All that lovey-dovey male on male crap with a guy having girly eyes and the usual bishi-face and they kiss each other?
Yeah because other genres never have guys with girly eyes and bishi-faces, nope never.
Also, two guys being in love is not crap. If you are in love with someone, you are going to want hold their hand, kiss them, or do anything else that is intimate.
» gundamgundam on March 3rd, 2013, 10:11pm
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I cannot imagine a single reason aside from intellectual interest why I would read yaoi as a heterosexual male
Ah, that's easy. Have you ever heard people complaining about bishounen looking more like women than men? That's why. The manga may say they are men, but many times they look exactly like girls, so it's no wonder some straight males may like them. You can even go randomly rewrite the dialog of many yaoi manga and claim that the uke is not a boy, but a futa girl and I assure you that many wouldn't even notice the change.
Now, if we are talking about bara, then things change. There's no way any heterosexual male would like that. If you meet someone who likes bara and claims to be a heterosexual male, you know for sure that he is either bisexual or gay. Seriously.
» -shiratori- on March 3rd, 2013, 11:26pm
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I cannot imagine a single reason aside from intellectual interest why I would read yaoi as a heterosexual male
Ah, that's easy. Have you ever heard people complaining about bishounen looking more like women than men? That's why. The manga may say they are men, but many times they look exactly like girls, so it's no wonder some straight males may like them. You can even go randomly rewrite the dialog of many yaoi manga and claim that the uke is not a boy, but a futa girl and I assure you that many wouldn't even notice the change.
Now, if we are talking about bara, then things change. There's no way any heterosexual male would like that. If you meet someone who likes bara and claims to be a heterosexual male, you know for sure that he is either bisexual or gay. Seriously.
Hm they don't look like girls to me, but I can see where you're coming from. And yeah the seme and uke stuff is another reason why I hate yaoi. Not only is it sexist as hell if you think about it, but it seems like the yaoi world consists only of top-bottom relationships. This is... madness!
» Sari90 on March 4th, 2013, 6:47am
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but it seems like the yaoi world consists only of top-bottom relationships.
There are reversible couples, it's done less than the seme and uke thing though.
"Hatsukoi no Atosaki" and "Kyuuso wa Cheese no Yume o Miru" to name a few, have a reversible couple.
» veve on March 4th, 2013, 5:44am
Pointless poll because it will bring the haters on their highest level of activity and will lead to pointless flamming wars.
Imho hate in any of its aspects is not proper for polls in this cool(till-now) community. We have enough racism, homophobia and misogyny in the RL that to need them here too.
Also the results of the poll from 2008 abt most loved demographic shew that Yaoi is most favoured:
Question: Favorite Demographic?
Choices:
Hentai - votes: 1807 (12.1%)
Josei - votes: 616 (4.1%)
Lolicon - votes: 746 (5%)
Seinen - votes: 2364 (15.8%)
Shotacon - votes: 185 (1.2%)
Shoujo - votes: 2684 (18%)
Shoujo Ai - votes: 282 (1.9%)
Shounen - votes: 1921 (12.9%)
Shounen Ai - votes: 516 (3.5%)
Yaoi - votes: 3069 (20.6%)
Yuri - votes: 742 (5%)
There were 14932 total votes.
The poll ended: October 18th 2008
So as we see no vote result is as talkative as it seems at firts sight. Neither the newest one nor this from 2008.
Imho hate in any of its aspects is not proper for polls in this cool(till-now) community. We have enough racism, homophobia and misogyny in the RL that to need them here too.
Also the results of the poll from 2008 abt most loved demographic shew that Yaoi is most favoured:
Question: Favorite Demographic?
Choices:
Hentai - votes: 1807 (12.1%)
Josei - votes: 616 (4.1%)
Lolicon - votes: 746 (5%)
Seinen - votes: 2364 (15.8%)
Shotacon - votes: 185 (1.2%)
Shoujo - votes: 2684 (18%)
Shoujo Ai - votes: 282 (1.9%)
Shounen - votes: 1921 (12.9%)
Shounen Ai - votes: 516 (3.5%)
Yaoi - votes: 3069 (20.6%)
Yuri - votes: 742 (5%)
There were 14932 total votes.
The poll ended: October 18th 2008
So as we see no vote result is as talkative as it seems at firts sight. Neither the newest one nor this from 2008.
» dalek on March 4th, 2013, 5:58am
Quote from veve
Pointless poll because it will bring the haters on their highest level of activity and will lead to pointless flamming wars.
Imho hate in any of its aspects is not proper for polls in this cool(till-now) community. We have enough racism, homophobia and misogyny in the RL that to need them here too.
Imho hate in any of its aspects is not proper for polls in this cool(till-now) community. We have enough racism, homophobia and misogyny in the RL that to need them here too.
Thank you very much.
» Ren-tan on March 4th, 2013, 8:52am
Quote from veve
Pointless poll because it will bring the haters on their highest level of activity and will lead to pointless flamming wars.
Imho hate in any of its aspects is not proper for polls in this cool(till-now) community. We have enough racism, homophobia and misogyny in the RL that to need them here too. ...
Imho hate in any of its aspects is not proper for polls in this cool(till-now) community. We have enough racism, homophobia and misogyny in the RL that to need them here too. ...
Second this.
What is the point of this poll beside bringing more hate between the different fandoms? As another member stated, "hate" is a strong word.
If you really want to know which fandom is the least liked here, why didn't you put something like "Is there a fandom you tend to avoid?", one of which would probably be more accurate. I mean, most of the people who posted here don't even hate the fandom they chose.
» cloudsora on March 4th, 2013, 7:08am
I'm not homophobic but I do dislike Yaoi the most, I don't participate in flame wars or anything. It would be easier if I could like Yaoi or Shounen ai because they have a lot of the content that I want to read but they're too sexual compared to what Shoujo ai and stuff are. Even Ecchi stuff doesn't usually have all the physical contact Shounen ai does and as a straight man who really doesn't want to see it in excess I can't handle it.
Honestly I've tried several times to read Shounen ai but sooner or later it focused so heavily on the shounen ai aspect.
Honestly I've tried several times to read Shounen ai but sooner or later it focused so heavily on the shounen ai aspect.
» sagesmith on March 4th, 2013, 9:53am
I think this poll was a bad idea lol
I don't HATE any of them, I just like some more than others. :-P shouldn't there be an option for "Don't dislike any?"
I stand corrected. I hate Shota/Lolita manga. Sex with child? How disgusting can you get? Funny that there's probably more yaoi haters than shota/lolita haters...
Also, guro manga or whatever... sickest stuff ever.
I guess there is some manga that I hate...
I don't HATE any of them, I just like some more than others. :-P shouldn't there be an option for "Don't dislike any?"
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Hate is a strong word. I have also tried and read all the demographic, and will probably will continue reading them all in the future because just one will not sustain my reading craving and I'm an extremely picky and selective reader.
I will vote it it has the Shota or Lolita option
I will vote it it has the Shota or Lolita option
I stand corrected. I hate Shota/Lolita manga. Sex with child? How disgusting can you get? Funny that there's probably more yaoi haters than shota/lolita haters...
Also, guro manga or whatever... sickest stuff ever.
I guess there is some manga that I hate...
» -shiratori- on March 4th, 2013, 11:28am
So many lolicon haters. I suggest you all go and read this: Lolicon Phoenix
» caozhi on March 4th, 2013, 10:05am
Do you even need to ask? A lot of the time people assume they dislike something because of what they assume something is about. For me the thing I couldn't tolerate is yaoi since all my fears were realized when I tried to power through a yaoi. Those hands, man. That plot. And those HANDS.
Spoiler (mouse over to view)
Freaking love yuri
» TaoPaiPai on March 4th, 2013, 10:31am
Yuri
i am a heterosexual male[i think]
and i cant for the life of me see anything even remotly interesting about homosexual girls
it does nothing down there
no matter what they do or what toys they use lol
NOTHING
yaoi on the other hand allways work
i think i need to see penis...being inserted into something to even be remotly interested when it comes to sex
i am a heterosexual male[i think]
and i cant for the life of me see anything even remotly interesting about homosexual girls
it does nothing down there
no matter what they do or what toys they use lol
NOTHING
yaoi on the other hand allways work
i think i need to see penis...being inserted into something to even be remotly interested when it comes to sex
» Baniita on March 4th, 2013, 5:00pm
In the end, I just picked "shoujo". XDD Hentai is too wide of a genre...
Despite reading heaps of shoujo.
...Probably because, well, heteronormativity bores the hell out of me in most cases.
But this poll isn't accurate or helpful at all. I don't hate shoujo manga, but it made me pick it through process of elimination. I love shounen manga, and I like GL though there's only like two good titles, and I live and breathe BL. There are some really good seinen titles like Kami no Shizuku, and many Josei titles are actually BL in disguise. I don't hate hentai because well, I dabble in that too. /cough
I know that many of the people who picked "yaoi" are not homophobic themselves (well, the genre is a bit homophobic itself with many of its titles) for the most part. But they're made to pick it, and so the 45.5% saddens me greatly.
I have nothing against lolicon~? /more of a shotacon, though. Not the Boku no Pico or Boku no Nick Cage kind, but the Ciel Phantomhive kind where the ten year olds act like 40 year olds.
This isn't a call to stop hate polls, just... Phrase them better, or add a "none of the above" option, geez!
Despite reading heaps of shoujo.
...Probably because, well, heteronormativity bores the hell out of me in most cases.
But this poll isn't accurate or helpful at all. I don't hate shoujo manga, but it made me pick it through process of elimination. I love shounen manga, and I like GL though there's only like two good titles, and I live and breathe BL. There are some really good seinen titles like Kami no Shizuku, and many Josei titles are actually BL in disguise. I don't hate hentai because well, I dabble in that too. /cough
I know that many of the people who picked "yaoi" are not homophobic themselves (well, the genre is a bit homophobic itself with many of its titles) for the most part. But they're made to pick it, and so the 45.5% saddens me greatly.
I have nothing against lolicon~? /more of a shotacon, though. Not the Boku no Pico or Boku no Nick Cage kind, but the Ciel Phantomhive kind where the ten year olds act like 40 year olds.
This isn't a call to stop hate polls, just... Phrase them better, or add a "none of the above" option, geez!
