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New Poll - Good Plot But Bad Art
This week's poll comes from Caedis. What if you read the first chapter of a new series and the story has a lot of promise but the artwork makes your eyes bleed. Would you still try to keep reading it or just give up?

You can submit poll ideas here (and try to keep them manga/anime-related)
http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=3903

Previous Poll Results:
Question: Your current main occupation status
Choices:
Student, no other job - votes: 3854 (40.5%)
Student, also working though - votes: 1357 (14.3%)
Part-time employee - votes: 459 (4.8%)
Full-time employee - votes: 2229 (23.4%)
Work multiple jobs - votes: 145 (1.5%)
Currently unemployed, but looking for work! - votes: 761 (8%)
Unemployed and not looking for work - votes: 620 (6.5%)
Retired - votes: 87 (0.9%)
There were 9512 total votes.
The poll ended: February 27th 2016

Very few old people and lots of young 'uns
Posted by lambchopsil on 
February 27th 12:04am
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» Smillo on February 27th, 2016, 12:24am

I stick to reading it, if I did not I wouldn`t have ever read Angel Densetsu missing out on a great gem.

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» sara.. on February 27th, 2016, 1:02am

it depends on how much of a terrible artwork you mean for me I can accept it and actually appreciate it because it makes me feel that it's too old and that's something special BUT there are cases it can't be saved even if the story is great example : gokusen I wanted to read it so bad but I give up that's why I'm going with (Drop it right away)

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» calstine on February 27th, 2016, 1:14am

If the plot is good and stays good, of course I'll keep reading. In fact, I've never dropped a good manga because of ugly art, but I've dropped countless manga with the kind of art that makes my heart weep for joy because I couldn't stand the plot.

Though come to think of it... I don't think I've ever dropped any manga, good or bad, because I didn't like the artwork. I only ever drop a series if I dislike the story (or, very rarely, the characters); the art doesn't factor into the decision at all.

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» mysstris on February 27th, 2016, 2:43am

my art tolerance is very high but as long as the plot is interesting to me and hooks me right away, I'll go for it.

@sara...Gokusen? Yeah that's one of the mangas that I thought was oddly weird in plot and the art wasn't that impressive. In cases like these mangas, I skim it in the first round. Those mangas that have a good reputation but don't hook me right away are ones I set aside for rainy days and just skim to give them a chance to win me own since not all mangas have a great start with the first chapter. I found Gokusen pretty funny

I remember there was one manga that had a very strange weird sci-fi like plot and the art had that sort of feel to it....It wasn't to my preference aesthetically and the story was really weird. I kept with it to the end but in the end I was weirded and I'll never look at it again...I don't know why I bothered reading it...

I think the only reason I would drop a manga no matter how good/bad the art is is one that shows super gorey scenes or the plot is skin crawling horror. I can't deal and sit through gore in manga nor horror no matter how art and plot is....

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» Gradonil_Ral on February 27th, 2016, 2:58am

If a series has terrible art, I mostly likely won't even pick it up in the first place. Not unless I've heard great things about the story. And if the plot is indeed outstanding, I will keep reading it regardless of its art level.

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» train93 on February 27th, 2016, 3:03am

I most definitely won't give up on a series with bad art and compelling plot. That said, it will indeed influence my overall judgement on the series. Then there are some series that are so well done in terms of plot and characters, that they end up making you embrace even the art, as a quirk of the manga. Luckily manga like these ones tend to improve in terms of art as time goes by.

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» MangaGhost on February 27th, 2016, 3:07am

It depends. Some artists their art evolves as they work on a series. Even experienced ones sometimes it takes a little time for them to get comfortable with new designs on a new series. That's why if the story is good I tend to be forgiving on the art. On the other hand there's been a few artists who have been kind of not so hot on the art side and even after several series they've shown that bad art is their style and they have no interest in improving. I'll stick with them but if the story quality drops, I'm liable to drop the series as well.

@sara Gokusen is rough at first in both story and art, but both get better as it goes along. However, yea it was a little ugly at first, but I'm glad I stuck with it. You could always try checking out the anime which has the benefit of looking better, having most of the story condensed, and not being too long.

Elfen Lied I seem to recall started out pretty fugly too, but got better art wise. And yea Angel Densetsu is another one and the artist Yagi Norihiro would go on to make Claymore. Its the same style but you can see the evolution in his art from one series to the other and even how it grows in Claymore.

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» RoxFlowz on February 27th, 2016, 3:09am

Bad art influences my choice when deciding which manga to read, but if I've read far enough to tell that the plot is good, I won't stop.

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» residentgrigo on February 27th, 2016, 4:06am

Most of use are indeed young and should lack perspective on all sorts of things but the repeated unemployment question is indeed a good one. The EU accepted Greece into the fold with highly "refurbish" statistics and look what happened.

Assuming plot stays good, I'll read it until the end and i won´t even complain too much. Art and writing need to 100% go hand in hand in an ideal scenario and a truly good comic should work without dialogue, which is impossible with bad art, but i am still reading the magazine version of Historie and we all remember HxH´s "quality" art in parts. Or look @ Mr.ONE. I am also willing to follow a comic with mediocre writing as long as the art is truly amazing unstill the end too but it need to be inoffensive and can´t be truly bad.
NTR trash with lavish paintings by let´s say Alex Ross would thus never grace my reading list. Or shit by Oh! Great.

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» MinatoAce on February 27th, 2016, 4:20am

Assuming plot stays good, I'll read it until the end!
You know I read all of ONE's work and Hunter x Hunter too.

And about ONE's messy drawings, I would say it has it's own class. If you read enough of him, you'll eventually start to see it.

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» Trimutius on February 27th, 2016, 4:39am

I have read some stories with no good artwork, some of them even to the end. What is important to me is always plot. Fortunately good plot but bad artwork is rare combination. (I don't care about art style though, so i consider many artworks to be good)
Though i'm very demanding to plot personally so that is probably one of the reasons. Good plot should be logical (not necessarily realistic, but just should not contradict itself). Oftentimes if art is messy, plot is also messy, and I don't like messy plots...

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» Mamsmilk on February 27th, 2016, 4:52am

Really depends on what you count as bad. Like legit absolutely horrible art trying to go for a serious plot, don't even bother. If it's a total joke, then sure, why not. I actually do read comics that look like trash, but that are borderline psychedelic and have morbid humor, so it fits. Some people count Shingeki No Kyojin art as bad, but that's honestly not so bad.

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» Silent Howl on February 27th, 2016, 5:46am

the art should be good, not bad...and if it is bad I stop reading eventually. Though I am not harsh to juge art, so not a lot of manga was droped because of it. proportion of character, eyes out of places, if you start something at leas be sure not to push your style to adoopt someone else, because that is were you will make mistake.

plot is more important, and I can read one shot or short manga with bad art.

same thing I can't read beautifull artwork with plot that just drag too long..

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» melquiades on February 27th, 2016, 6:00am

What do you mean by "terrible artwork" ?
You probably meant "artwork you don't like".

When you say, good or bad artwork, you are being a critic, and to be a critic you actually need to know what are you talking about.

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» mysstris on February 28th, 2016, 5:00pm

obviously art is relative to the eye of the beholder so just roll with "artwork you don't like".
There have been poll questions that were up for interpretation but you really can't go out of the box with this since the individual the question is posed to is you the reader of the question. And in that sense, the poll is addressing what you the reader considers terrible artwork

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» CuthienSilmeriel on February 27th, 2016, 7:18am

I don't know how old you would consider an old person to be, but I'm still a student at 27 so maybe there aren't as many young uns as you'd think. Some of us just refuse to stop learning, lol.

For this week's poll I would never drop a good plot because of bad art work. Plot is far more important. My favourite manga, Banana fish, had a very aesthetically divisive art style in the earlier volumes, and had I judge it based on that alone is have missed out on an amazing story!

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» imercenary on February 27th, 2016, 9:09am

Last week's poll results : Not a surprise at all.

This week's poll : Weird.

"great plot but terrible artwork..."? Can anyone even cite such an example that isn't a webcomic?

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» mysstris on February 28th, 2016, 5:03pm

the thing is that different people have different standards for art. Some are very narrow (cough - shallow) whereas others are nearly as wide as the ocean in search for a good story.

I have read manga with terrible art but the stories weren't so great. I'm going to say intrigue and boredom were the only reasons I kept with it (and the power of skimming). but tbh, I regret the time wasted...

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» Hermaphrodite on March 5th, 2016, 6:57am

I think of Mob Psycho 100 and Shingeki no Kyojin while doing this poll. Maybe they're not that terrible, just kinda hard to look at LOL

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» dalek on February 27th, 2016, 12:04pm

Well, I understand "terrible artwork" as any artwork that bothers me even a little bit. To answer this poll I immediately thought of Shingeki no Kyojin, it isn't terrible omg stab my eyes, but it does bother me sometimes... but as long as I like the plot, artwork isn't a problem at all.

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» Guymaioh on February 27th, 2016, 1:54pm

One punch man being an excellent exampple - also some people don't appreciate the art of Taiyo Matsumoto but his stories are always top notch!! laugh

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» tribal2199 on February 27th, 2016, 4:19pm

It depends how bad. I loved Angel Densetsu, but I couldn't keep reading One Punch Man (One).

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» zarlan on February 27th, 2016, 6:26pm

Anyone who dismisses a great series, because the art is bad, is a fool.
It's the writing that's important. If the art is good, that's a bonus. If the art is bad... so what?

That said, there is one (and only one) series, that I simply cannot read (or watch), due to the art:
Yamato Nadeshiko Shichihenge

The art, in general, is perfectly fine, but...
Those faces... The faces of those the four guys...
They are an abomination, that cannot be endured.
Now if anyone would go through it, and "censor" the faces of those four "pretty" guys (how you'd term that "pretty" or even "human", I cannot comprehend), I'd gladly read it.
But with those faces...
No.
It's no doubt a good series, but... those faces are torture.

Edit: I do not understand the people who cite Gokusen or Shinjeki no Kyoujin, as examples of bad art.
I can't comment on the other series mentioned, except HxH (which, in certain parts, during the mangakas periods of illness, does get kinda... not bad art, so much as unfinished sketches).

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» VawX on February 28th, 2016, 5:50pm

There are many examples, but what I really remember is One Punch Man mmm...

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» Mykie on February 28th, 2016, 6:13pm

Lol. Oh yeah One man punch no

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» That3rdGuy on February 29th, 2016, 11:22am

I'll read is so long as the plot is good. Perfect example: OnePunch-Man (ONE)
Awful, AWFUL artwork. I mean, even I could draw better and I suck at drawing people (and pretty much everything else).

Looking at other posts, I see I'm not the only one who used this example... So! New example for me... hmmmmm.....

Well, as far as a rough art style, something like Dorohedoro and Alice in Hell come to mind. I like those manga, but the art is seemingly all done by pen. Though I wouldn't call the art terrible...

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» bine on February 29th, 2016, 3:20pm

I have a lot of opinions about this poll, and it's an excellent choice (imho), so I'm gonna break my five years no comments streak. I've seen people complain about this being a subjective issue - what would you consider bad art? - and considering these are all published artists, the stylistic choices seem relevant.

I cannot even count the number of manga I have read despite the art, beginning with such cases as entire chapters without backgrounds or faces that are entirely composed of eyes. There's the yaoi hands, of course, where the hands of the one guy are - well, just google it.

My favourite manga, Gokusen has objectively pretty awful art. (At least it's consistent.) But it not only fits the characters, it fits the story (Don't judge a book by it's cover.)
And it's that way with OnePunch-Man, too. The main character is drawn that way for emphasis, and it fits the story. You just have to get used to it.

Other bad art examples from the top of my head:
Skip Beat! and Tokyo Crazy Paradise, with the legs that are longer than the rest of the body twice over.
Bleach, where the characters over time condensed into a single face used over and over again
InuYasha, where it's a plot-point that Kagome and Kikyo look alike. Well, so do all of the other women (who aren't old). This is done so often in shounen manga, it's pointless to point them all out.

Tl; dr There's so many different art styles, as many as there are artists, sometimes you just have to deal.

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» AndyProk on March 3rd, 2016, 6:38pm

I'm not sure What exactly I consider 'terrible art', but I would never have counted Gokusen, Skip Beat! and Tokyo Crazy Paradise as being part of that category.
Maybe One-Punch-Man could fit that category, looking at the original japanese webcomic, but it kind of reminds me of xkcd, which has its own charms.

On the other hand, I've never picked up Naruto, because it's just plain ugly [and the theme does absolutely nothing] for me.
I've also dropped several Manwha partly because I couldn't get past the art (usually the plot also went places I couldn't stomach), some of it because their fashion was just too busy or weird and some probably because they may be a case of an uncanny valley or mismatched parts, like how several characters in the manwha ONE have lips that look like they belong on real people, while other parts of them remain stylized manga-like.

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» achyif on February 29th, 2016, 3:43pm

In my opinion "the artwork is bad" is a pretty poor excuse to not read manga. Art that doesn't look "good" doesn't mean it can't significantly contribute to the story. There are definitely instances of comics with beautiful art with a incoherent story and comics with bad looking art that are still wonderful. A comic's art doesn't have to be pleasing to the eye in order to make a comic good. That being said, it's still possible for bad art to make a manga bad (for instance, lack of expression or confusing art can take away from the story).

A comment about one punch man, beacause it's the easiest and clearest example. The art may not seem very refined, but everything else about the art is excellent. The storyboarding is unbelievably brilliant. Note how the Murata version barely changes any of the expressions or the paneling layout. The art of ONE is better than you think. Just because a person can draw at the level or better than ONE doesn't mean that person can draw a better comic than ONE. Dude's just amazing.

So I think that truly good art means more than just detail/beauty/refined-ness.

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» residentgrigo on February 29th, 2016, 4:19pm

The web version of OP doesn´t have "bad" art (it´s trash) just because how it looks.
The mentioned panel layout is half the problem. I can pin point exactly which SJ manga / artist the author is ripping off wholesale @ every instance. Tisk tisk.
The also brought up Angel Densetsu thought never look "bad" due to the panel layout and distinct character designs while gaining really nice art halfway through. Just google Scott McCloud´s non-fiction comics on the formal aspects of the medium you all.

Good on your though for displaying art from Batman 500 in your sig cool. Jim Aparo is a real legend! Just look at this panel layout. Knightfall was so effing good and an Azrael is soon coming to Fox´s Gotham.

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» whitespade on March 3rd, 2016, 12:07pm

i think bad art only work with comedic and gag manga. serious or romantic manga would just look ridiculous while gag manga may even be helped by the simplicity of the art. for example i love my name is zushio bad art hilarious comedy.

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» AndyProk on March 3rd, 2016, 6:04pm

At first, I was going to go for option 1. But then I thought, "Wait a minute, if the artwort is truly 'terrible', I don't think I would read enough to even have a clue how good or bad the plot is. I'd probably look at the first few pages and discard the manga right then and there."

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» Moon-Angelica on March 3rd, 2016, 8:18pm

Counting terrible as meaning something which I find distracting, one of my favourite series has terrible art but I really like the plot and wouldn't drop it - it's the eyes, really weirdly drawn eyes which always take a good couple of chapters to get over each time I read it.

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» mattai on March 3rd, 2016, 8:42pm

I went with option A, but that doesn't mean I don't care about the artwork entirely. A great plot (or characters or w/e) will get me to read even if the art is complete shit.

But if the plot is only so-so (as is usually the case), the art could easily decide if I bother continuing.

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» Sircus on March 10th, 2016, 4:33pm

One Punch, enough said ^^

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» achyif on March 16th, 2016, 12:18am

Just wanted to point out an observation I had when this poll first came out.
For the first couple hours of the poll the "unemployed/not looking for a job" option was around 20%. I remember thinking that it felt like that number was awfully high, but then it lowered.

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