Only when it's free.

Sometimes when I go out with people. Often get hammered then. Trying to avoid doing it now though, because lately I've only gotten bad vibes.

Some folks sound like they don't have a middle ground between nothing and getting drunk.

For those who don't like the taste of beer but are interested in trying more, try a gose. They are more similar to cider in taste and shouldn't taste like alcohol. If you're in a US city, you can definitely find one in a bar near you. Same should be true for some European countries.

For those outside the countries with craft beer movements, I understand your dislike. Those beers are guaranteed to suck.

i drink BUT i don't drink to point i don't remember then next day what i did. i know how to drink and NOT make a fool of myself. i like to drink only after a meal. A glass of wine after meal it's not poison (wine has minerals and helps digestion) just saying, only a big quantity of alcohol is bad for your health, but that goes for everything, like sweets or meat, these aren't bad for health either, it's bad if you exaggerate.

No.
Sugar is only bad, in large quantities, sure ...but sugar is an essential nutrient. Meat is essentially the same.
Ethanol, however, is a poison.
The quantity determines how severely you are poisoned and how badly you are impaired. Not whether or not you are poisoned/impaired.

The minerals are in the alcohol, is it?
Please note that all these studies on wine (done by wine drinkers. No bias there, eh?), apparently don't seem to be able to be done, on other forms of alcohol. Kinda suggests that the alcohol, has nothing to do with it, doesn't it?

I drink a can of beer everyday after work, I guess that counts for "I drink fairly often".

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Certain types of alcohol aren´t bad for your health if consumed in moderation, quite the opposite actually. Any doctor could tell your that. Even my biology teacher in school went over it. Actual data to back it up:
http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/HealthyLiving/HealthyEating/ Nutrition/Alcohol-and-Heart-Health_UCM_305173_Article.jsp#.Wo X_HOciGUm
The problems are the usual give and take of overdoing it. My Russian grandfather was more or less a functioning alcoholic with his daily vodka input but he also never got sick. He was as heathy as a horse into his late 60s until mushroom poisoning did him in.

Edit: I shouldn´t engage with an random edgy anon on the web who can´t be bothered to show data of their own but but whatever. Let´s go with a compilation link: http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20150901-is-alcohol-really-bad-f or-you
So alcohol is scientifically proven to help your body in certain ways and endanger you in others. There are certainly better ways to get the advantages but a bit of wine here and there won´t harm anyone. Outside of tasting like shit that is... Alcohol is also commonly used as a disinfectant but it´s pure poison and out to kill us. Sure fam.

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That link, contained exactly ZERO data.
Not even anything that would come close to making a reference to/mention of a study.
Just a collection of claims and nothing more.

Correlation is not causation. There are a million other factors involved
...and there are tons of poisonous, or otherwise harmful, substances and/or practices, that tons of people used to do, without getting sick and whilst living fairly long and well, overall. (though, naturally, not as long or well, as if they hadn't)

zarlan dude you quote what i said ("wine has minerals") how did you manage to change and not understand what i said? i said WINE has minerals NOT all alcoholic drinks... and red wine helps if you have problems with blood circulation, and strong drinks like vodka help if you have problems with high blood pressure. i'm not forcing anybody to drink alcohol, i just point out some real facts, because the non-drinkers act like people who drink are some losers.

I changed nothing.
You were saying it, in defence of alcoholic drinks.
For your statement to have had any relevance, whatsoever, to be able to defend alcoholic beverages, the benefit needs to be from the alcohol itself, or your argument is utterly invalid.
Benefits from non-alcohol aspects, have nothing to do with the alcoholic nature, of the beverage, after all.

So, therefore it is only natural to ask if you are proposing that the minerals are part of the alcohol. This question should make anyone, with any sense, realise their error.
...except you didn't.
How you managed such a feat...

...which have no kind of relevance, to the issue at hand, whatsoever.

...and you're not?
You voluntarily poison yourselves, indeed pay premium prices for it.
Why?
Either to totally lose all control, judgement and sanity, and do totally stupid things
...or to "be more social". I.e., you are too shy, have bad self esteem or some other issue but, rather than deal with that, and better yourself, you take the easy way out and drug yourself, instead, using alcohol as a crutch.
You're too much of a coward, to be around people, so you drink.
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I'll get plenty of hate, for what I just wrote, but...
Can anyone make a reasonable argument, against it?
I don't see it happening.
I've certainly never heard one.

(as to the taste: You don't need the alcohol, for that. AFAIK, no one is a fan of the taste, of the alcohol, in and of itself ...and I've heard about most [not all, from what I've heard ...but certainly most] alcoholic drinks, tasting shit, and requiring quite some time, to get used to. Why does anyone bother to? Because of the alcohol. To get drunk ...or a little buzzed. Whatever degree of being affected by alcohol, that they are aiming for)

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Do you avoid peppers, mint, and cinnamon? The primary flavor compounds in each are actually poisonous. Many common herbs contain thymol, which is not just poisonous; it's used as a pesticide. In fact, most strong flavors in herbs come from a variety of aromatic compounds, all of which are potentially carcinogenic.

In that guy's defend (at least in the way I see it) he only stated that he liked drinking wine after a meal and that some studies show that there are (or might be) some benefits to drinking wine. He didn't want to defend all alcohol, just wine. The only benefit I know is that red wine has anti oxidants which helps you, "age better," meaning you might not get as ill when you are old. Of course, if you only drink wine every once in a while, those health benefits end up being negligible.

As far as alcohol goes, I doubt anyone would say it's healthy to drink. Might there be some benefits to it? Maybe, but do those benefits make it worth it? Probably not. Alcohol does lower your blood pressure, but I doubt a doctor would tell you to drink to combat high blood pressure. However, they do tell you not to drink, if you take medications against high blood pressure. Anyways, this was just me just talking bs.

What I find strange is that for a long time people have been socializing while drinking alcohol. Parties have alcohol, high class events as well, small gatherings of friends (many of them) have alcohol. I found the notion of needing to drink alcohol weird as a kid, and I still kind of do. I rarely drink, but I do drink. While you say that drinking alcohol to impair yourself is stupid and makes you a loser, that is the only reason I can see for drinking alcohol. Why would you drink expensive shit otherwise that damages your health?

The way I see it, alcohol can make you enjoy time with strangers or people you don't know well as much as if you were spending time with your best friends. But that's kind of sad. That people put so many walls against each other that they need alcohol to be a bit more open with each other. Still, I agree that is better to work on yourself and any problems that you have, than to rely on alcohol. And drinking a lot to forget your problems is even worse.

That is utterly untrue. Capsaicin (I assume that's what you mean, in the case of "peppers") can be bad, if you get in a wrong place, or if you get too much of it, but in usual food consumption, it has no adverse or toxic effects, at all (there are multiple medicinal applications, however). The burning sensation, is due to it reacting with the nerves that have to do with pain/heat, but there is no actual heat or tissue damage.
It can be bad, if you take too much, but that's beside the point.
As to mint... Menthol I assume? It has several beneficial effects, and medical uses, but poisonous? The best I could find, to support that claim, was a mention that it can be bad for you, in very high doses (as is the case, with everything. Including water)
As for Cinnamon... I assume you're talking about coumarin? Here, at least, there is some truth to it, as it is slightly toxic, to the liver and kidneys.

It has several beneficial properties, but I see no evidence of it being the least bit toxic, to humans.

Being a pesticide, means that it is toxic to one or more species, that we see as pests.
That says absolutely nothing, about whether or not it is toxic to humans.

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No.
Also, you're making a case for him being off-topic, and irrelevant.

...which you can get, from countless non-alcoholic sources.

You haven't been reading this thread, then.

None that anyone has been able to give proper evidence for.

Countless things, can lower your blood pressure.

Those two notions, are not mutually exclusive.
I point out, in my comment, that those are the only reasons, that people drink alcohol for
...and also, why those are terrible reasons.

The social aspects...
You can get those "benefits", by learning how to behave differently and getting more courage and/or self-esteem and confidence ...rather than using the crutch of alcohol, and thereby making sure you never learn those things.

I wouldn't.

That reminds me: Scientific studies have shown, that trying to drink your sorrows away, is counter-productive. You just get more miserable (maybe not while you're drunk, necessarily, but...).

How is it untrue? Poisons are simply substances which are bad for your health in high doses. You admit this is the case for several of these substances.

Like it or not, capsaicin is an irritant and can induce nausea or vomiting. And it actually can cause tissue damage, most notably in the eyes.

As for menthol, yes, I'm glad you agree that it can be bad for you in high doses, as is the case for all poisons. High dosage is, of course, a relative term. While you correctly claim that menthol has good effects, many other poisons can have good effects as well, but poisons they remain.

Cinnamaldehyde is what I was referring to, although coumarin works as well. Cinnamaldehyde (and many other aldehyde flavorings) is genotoxic.

As for thymol, I'll grant that I was more teasing you than serious.

However, you missed the broader point. All of what you eat contains poisons. Normal fruit juice often contains a small amount of alcohol (orange juice can be 0.5% ABV). You could try going for a poison-less diet but it would not be very tasty or it would be exorbitantly expensive. If you are unwilling to forgo any food that contains the above poisons simply because they are poisons as you claim others should do for alcohol, you should reevaluate your position.

It seems that you may think that because the above poisons have beneficial applications (as virtually every biological chemical can) that they can be excused, and since you refuse to admit that ethanol has any good effects that it shows ethanol can't be okay to consume. I'm probably foolish to think so, but perhaps you'll believe it if I provide another beneficial use of ethanol: it is an antidote to methanol poisoning, and when used in such a manner, has no bad long term effects.