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And? Carl Marx "Capitalism" also is being sold world wide and was made into manga but nobody raises even an eyebrow for it, though communists have murdered at least thrice as much people as nazis.
Yeah, but Marx and communism in theory don't say that mass murders are necessary, Marx wasn't the one who murdered people, just others who used his ideology to get power. While Hitler was quite direct in his plans of eliminating Jews and other nations, and it was directly his doing.
"world revolution", "elimination of the classes" and "dictatorship of the proletariat" do you really believe all those things are peaceful? Could you name even one example where and how revolution and confiscation of ALL the private property would happen peacefully, even more considering how the revolutions went on in the 19th century Europe.
So just wondering how much more direct Hitler was in his plans for the mass genocide then Carl Marx in his world revolution and elimination of the classes? Did he wrote it in his book that when he will get to power he plans to kill all the Jews?
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So in one book in nice Latin letters it stands written that certain groups of people must be eliminated for the greater good, but it is a good book because the one who wrote it didn't actually issue any murder orders he simply hinted that it would be a good thing to do. Yeah, he seems like trustworthy guy.
While in the other book we have these EVIL RANTS that the rich Jews.... Eh you know what I have had enough of all your hypocrisy, arguing with you I feel as if I have to justify a mass murderer and what he has written, simply because in your eyes one ideology was not explicit enough to state that it needs to murder people while the other one does not even mentioned genocide. If only you don't count boring millions to death as a clear sign of genocide.
You obviously have no idea, at all, what Karl Marx was about.
What Marx meant with the elimination of the social classes was the elimination of social classes as a concept. As in, there are no more social classes to be considered in a society, everyone will belong to the same social class, the people. And I don't believe Marx to ever write about violently confiscating private property. Ideally, everyone would willingly resign their rights to private property in exchange for the right to free property for all. In this model, not the individual good is central, but the collective good. This is also Marx' greates weakness, since it requires perfected humans who don't think selfishly. This model can be employed in a small scale, but the larger the scale, the harder it is to implement.
Never has Marx condoned the use of violence in his works, as far as I know.
But that is entirely beside the point, since Das Kapital is much more a critique on capitalism than it is his own political theory. Some of his critiques have been disproven and discredited, several of his concerns are still valid. For example, Marx predicted that under a capitalist model, the economy will keep growing, untill at some point the economy will inevitably collapse into a financial crisis. In this crisis, the poor will become even poorer, while the rich become richer or simply have enough money to hold out through the crisis. Afterwards, the economy starts growing again only to collapse once more, repeating the cycle inevitably.
Damn, having written this, I think I may have an excellent subject for my final paper for social and political philosophy. Thanks, I was in a real bind for a subject there.
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