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i heard recently the japanese government have asked
the US goverment to stop the piracy, only cause the
the online piracy has been effecting them more and more
continuously... i mean we all started off with like kazaa, to
limewire to e-donkey than irc and bittorent. considering
many people do it now its amazing... though we all know its illegal

and the everyone including the government are all aware of it
i mean i know theyre not stupid to not notice... i mean they can
find blackmarket guys instant mesagging, think they wont even
notice this? considering how big online sharing has gotten?
just that they cant do anything about it right away, cause people
know how to find loop holes through things, and shit that goes on
online is hard to handle by law than real life.

they were refferring to Distribution of Copyrighted Anime,check the article on the home page of mangaupdates, they havent targeted manga specifically... yet.

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It's always is illegal. People get sued and jailed now and then especially in Japan because you can easily get caught there.And now the japanese government is asking the us government (highest count of weeaboo in the world and also the source of 80% of fansubbing) to stop downloading illegal manga and anime online. If you notice anime now get licensed immediately after they are released in Japan. Darker than black, etc

Wrong.

The Berne Convention stipulates that if any artistic or literary work (Of which manga is considered to be) is copyrighted in one of the countries signed to the Berne Convention, it is automatically copyrighted in every other country signed to the Berne Convention.

So, even if something isn't liscensed in America, international copyright laws state that trading of the foreign work is illegal without monetary compensation to the said copyright holders.

It's a bit different, but the same can be said for Anime.

The widely accepted stance used to be that as long as you didn't pay for anime or manga, or didn't charge people for whatever you did, then it was ok.

This has changed alot over the years.

The liscensing bubble for anime and manga is going strong, and almost everything popular is liscensed.

If we personally hosted manga files, this would be a different story. We host information, and that is all.

Most sites you see that have actual downloads have their ISP's and Servers in other countries, because most other countries don't care.

Even with the pressure being put on America by Japan, if the Servers and ISP's are in other countries, not much can be done.

Even with this current situation, I still have hardly met any people that do not buy manga and anime. Most people read and watch what they can because they cannot afford manga and anime.

Indeed, prices for a anime dvd are outrageous in comparision to other dvds. Add to the fact that we still pay about twice what the japanese pay for a volume of manga, too.

It gets quite expensive, especially if you like long series, like Inuyasha, for example.

Not everyone can afford that, and alot of fans don't even have jobs, whether it be because they're in school (including College), or because they're unemployed.

So yes, we're all legally breaking the law. However, I honestly don't think the market for anime and manga would be what it is, in America, today, without the internet.

Without fansubs and scanlations, alot of fans wouldn't know what they like. It allows fans to sample a series. I'm sure there are people out there who watch complete series and read complete series, and even though they enjoy them, do not purchase anything. I'll never personally be one of those, because I believe in paying for something thats worth it.

However, these are the people that most of Japan see us as. They don't know how deep our dedication to anime and manga can run. It can even rival the Japanese, I believe.

Yep, we all break the law, because of our love of anime and manga. The simple fact is, it won't ever stop, either. As long as any Intellectual Property exists, someone out there will be trying to get it for free, end of story.

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Kaioh, wow.
I would add only one thing - for manga/anime fans living in other countries, getting what they want is even more difficult. In the end, it's either ebay (with big costs of shipping, for example from usa) or scanlations

How about pinning it? Because someone having exactly the same question is gonna show up sooner or later...

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I don't know if it applies to anime/manga but if you reside in the U.S. the RIAA states you can only have media in your posession for 24 hr and then you have to get rid of it. It's only to be used as a preview. Though that applies to music I'm not sure about books/shows

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whatphotoshopmypicswhatliesdoyouspeakof?! >D

Well I live out in the country meaning theres only a couple of shops. Grocery Store, Fish'n'Chip Shop, Petrol Station and a Pub. So obviously theres no way I can buy them, and even the few times I get to go into town there ain't any shops that sell Manga, only your normal comics like Superman or Batman.

So the only way for me is to watch and read them online, else wait for my brother to go on a business trip. And hopefully buy me some that way.

So even though it maybe illegal here, its still the only way I can get them.

can't you order them off the internet? I have a friend that lives out in the country too (there is only a gas station in her town *poor dear*) and she still manages to get things she wants. :/

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whatphotoshopmypicswhatliesdoyouspeakof?! >D

That applies to music alone.

The RIAA, no matter how much they think they can, cannot legally enforce laws regarding other types of media.

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It's 100% legal. Depending on where you live.

even after these discussions, are there any one here that's in law school? Or got a good site that has the regulations on the whole issue

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That about sums it up; the ethics issues are your not paying for something that is generally sold for profit therefore you are stealing.

Just like downloading music and movies online while not paying.

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