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1:27 am, Jan 22 2014
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A bit late and all, but here's a question. Jmanga (now defunct but who cares?) and Digital Manga Guild both have their licensed and translated work online for free. Are they allowed as scanlators? If yes, then lets add them. If no, then why is Crunchyroll allowed?
There are other legal sites - whom names I've forgotten - that have free translations. Are they allowed as well?

This is what bothers me the most about the decision to allow CR as a scanlator group.

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Then give me links to prove this to me

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Digital Manga Guild is a bit of a scam (not sure in what way), but a good friend of mine in the anime licensing industry (founder of animesols) even thinks so.

@lampchopsil, perhaps a note should be added to the CR group page that they are not a manga scanlation group, but provides legal licensed content for free?

It does make things confusing for some people who might think other scanlation groups are legal or vice versa (people mailing CR asking why they charge for content you can get free from other groups).

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Post #629536 - Reply to (#629527) by lambchopsil
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Then give me links to prove this to me


http://www.emanga.com/
emanga is quite slow for me right now, but search for 'Give My Regards to Black Jack' (should be under free on the second page if you want to that route instead) and you'll be able to get a bunch of volumes for free. There are other examples under the free section as well.

Jmanga is quite hard to prove because it went down last year but here's some news about it.

There's also Manga Reborn which let the community to do the scanlation (this is the one I had forgotten the name of).

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Digital Manga Guild is a bit of a scam (not sure in what way), but a good friend of mine in the anime licensing industry (founder of animesols) even thinks so.


It sure does indeed feel a bit like a scam and for all I know it might even be. Well, whatever. xD

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@lampchopsil, perhaps a note should be added to the CR group page that they are not a manga scanlation group, but provides legal licensed content for free?

It does make things confusing for some people who might think other scanlation groups are legal or vice versa (people mailing CR asking why they charge for content you can get free from other groups).

I added a small note, but if they contact Crunchyroll and complain to them about that, they're really dumb

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Emanga, only if it's the releases added belong to series that are already on MU, as a quick glance of their free section seems like it's mostly graphic novels and magazines, and the release itself must be free

No to JManga since it's dead now and no way to access that stuff

Yes to Manga Reborn if the release is accessible for free. Must also already be a series that exists on MU (since the About Us page seems to indicate that amateur authors can upload their own stuff)

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if the release is accessible for free

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since it's dead now and no way to access that stuff

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Because the latest chapter is being made available for free


I don't know about this, only the latest chapter is free and then you need to pay for the same chapter after the newest one comes out.
Eg. Kimi no Iru Machi 257 is no longer free on CR. You see the problem?

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Emanga, only if it's the releases added belong to series that are already on MU, as a quick glance of their free section seems like it's mostly graphic novels and magazines, and the release itself must be free

No to JManga since it's dead now and no way to access that stuff

Yes to Manga Reborn if ...


All understandable, but last time I checked Give My Regards to Black Jack exist here on MU (the first volume (only volume 1-3 seems to be free) on emanga (lets hope it doesn't link to some weird home improvement site like it did yesterday).

Not that the world would end if it isn't added anyways. In fact, I don't want it added, but then why am I trying to convince the people of MU? Oh, well, not even I know what I'm doing at times. laugh

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Quote from lambchopsil
if the release is accessible for free

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since it's dead now and no way to access that stuff

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Because the latest chapter is being made available for free


I don't know about this, only the latest chapter is free and then you need to pay for the same chapter after the newest one comes out.
Eg. Kimi no Iru Machi 257 is no longer free on CR. You see the problem?

But it was free at the time when the release was added. And it remained free for at least a week, when the front page only shows the last 3 days. So if the week passes and someone can't access it anymore, too bad. They lucked out

It's similar to when the group goes defunct and you can't find their releases anymore. (Although this isn't as bad nowadays due to the online manga readers, even if that group never permitted the online manga reader to post their releases...)

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Post #629658 - Reply to (#629614) by GuttedGnome
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All understandable, but last time I checked Give My Regards to Black Jack exist here on MU (the first volume (only volume 1-3 seems to be free) on emanga (lets hope it doesn't link to some weird home improvement site like it did yesterday).

Not that the world would end if it isn't added anyways. In fact, I don't want it added, but then why am I trying to convince the people of MU? Oh, well, not even I know what I'm doing at times. laugh

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Quote from alchemist11
Digital Manga Guild is a bit of a scam (not sure in what way), but a good friend of mine in the anime licensing industry (founder of animesols) even thinks so.


It sure does indeed feel a bit like a scam and for all I know it might even be. Well, whatever. xD


Not sure in what aspects, but I see their releases in several libraries' ebooks and I've read a couple of them through my library ('cause I'm a cheapass). They look fine to me.

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I do DMG once in awhile. You only get 12% of sales and you're required to finish 1 volume in a 3 month span. 1 month for translations, 1 month for editing (I think they're changing it to 1 week), and 1 month for Letterers (Letterers also do the cleaning and redrawings as well as typesetting).

Mind you the 12% is to be split between the 3 members. Usually 4% each. Now after finishing a title it can take months 6+ before they release it and they don't pay you until you've accumulated $100 in sales. Now they usually sell them for about $7.95 or whatever, after fees and whatnot there's like $4 left so you get like 16 cents from one sale. They send you sales reports twice a year which they're always late on.

I don't suggest working with them unless you have time to waste and don't mind the deadline. Don't bother using them as a main source of income. I only pick up a title once in awhile for fun and extra cash.

They do have some titles where they will pay you a flat rate of either $90 or $100 with no sales percent for 1 volume, but again not worth it for the time spent unless you live in another country where the USD is worth more than your countries currency or you just want extra cash.

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I don't know about this, only the latest chapter is free and then you need to pay for the same chapter after the newest one comes out.
Eg. Kimi no Iru Machi 257 is no longer free on CR. ...



This.

Crunchyroll releases certainly don't qualify (IMHO of course) in the spirit of scanlations. They seem to get in on a technicality.

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12:25 am, Feb 12 2014
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personally i don't like cruchyroll, if you don't subscrive you are harassed with the free trial membership whenever you try to read a manga, if you subscrive you are still harassed with the free trial membership fot trying to see an old release, plus junk mail with ad and suggestion to try free trial membership.
Thx to them i cannot see anymore uchuu kyodai mad and still i don't understand if they had "released" the chapters before ch 209, 'cause if i try to see the previous chapter.... they ask my to try free trial memebership

Post #634319 - Reply to (#632445) by CorvoW
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This is what I hate about a large part of the manga community - Many of you guys take it for granted that manga has always been free. Let me tell you - it's not supposed to be free. By reading all the free scans online and not actually buying any manga, you're not helping the author in any single way. Manga authors often work much longer than normal work hours and are often left with little to no spare time. Here's a link to a sample schedule which has been circulated for quite a long time.

Of course, you might say that some series are not licensed in English and that you can't read Japanese. That's exactly why you should support official releases when a series becomes licensed. CrunchyRoll is a great way to support the authors while at the same time still being able to read the latest chapters, something which was greatly needed. It's attitudes like yours which is why official companies (Both English and Japanese alike) look at scanlations with scorn.

Way too many people are ignorant of the fact that scanlations aren't the official way to get releases. To quote a staff from Kodansha
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Not only do they (Scanlations) demonstrably hurt sales (as I mentioned), they also teach people that manga is free, and a lot of readers end up believing that, because scanlations are so readily available, the authors and publishers must be okay with it.

So many people come up to me at conventions asking when the next chapter of Series X is going to be online. It does get demoralizing after a while.
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I hope that many of you realise how arrogant and self-serving your attitudes are. If you're against CrunchyRoll, you're basically against official scans, which in turn means you're against paying money for a very real product. At least try to realise that CrunchyRoll is trying to help us out. Even reading the latest chapters at their site will help them generate ad revenue which pays for their licenses.

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