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The Lolicon Shotacon Debate

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Post #534849 - Reply to (#534848) by rainexoxo
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8:23 am, Apr 25 2010
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BTW I think that removing the links is a good compromise. MangaUpdates should remain a source of information, but it is not necessary for them to facilitate interaction between these sites and their usersembarrassed)

Post #534850
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8:24 am, Apr 25 2010
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In one way, I'm not surprised that it has come to this in relation to shotacon and lolicon. But in another way, I am surprised by some of the more active protesters. What surprises me is the fact that people are so unbelievably upset by just one tiny facet of the many controversial, and often graphically depicted, genres and themes in manga.

Though I am not a fan of or advocate for the exploitation of children, I have read some decent stories by decent mangaka who treat their topic with maturity and decency. The same thing goes for controversial story lines such as rape, incest, sexual fetishes and domestic violence. That being said, there's always two sides to an argument. I've also regrettably seen many stories which treat these themes as nothing more than cheap and graphic smut.

Truly, it baffles me that people and corporate sponsors take such offense to minors in sexual situations, but ignore in large the overwhelming amount of other topics that can shock, sicken and horrify the public. This mainly concerns websites such as which host a variety of sexually explicit manga with graphic representations of things such as rape and S&M to more outlandish and stomach-churning fetishes like scatology.

Well, for me, I have to say that I want people to see it as an all or nothing situation. My opinion? Keep the site the same as it is now, by all means. I've never once been forced into looking at anything I didn't want to see through this site. My only suggestion is that perhaps you could introduce a warning for uninformed readers on the page about the level of graphic content. Let people decide for themselves.

Post #534851
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8:25 am, Apr 25 2010
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I looked at my 'profile' and saw that my 3rd ranked like is Lolicon.

I think that speaks for itself. I think you should just leave it alone.

And if you do decide to purge all of the material, you are going to have to really look at every series. Not every manga tagged as lolicon/shotacon happen to be adult material.

Post #534852
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8:29 am, Apr 25 2010
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I'm not fan of those genres at the first place, so if they disappear I couldn't care less, however in my opinion, it's good to have the general information here. In my case, for example, I like to read random manga now and then which gives me the opportunity to find something new, but on the other hand also can get 'wrong'. So, I got used to check the genre in advance and the information hare gave me a warning not to read something quite a few times... you really can't tell what a story to be like just according to a cover and name sometimes.

Post #534853
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8:47 am, Apr 25 2010
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Shotacon and lolicon are not relevant to my interest in spite of that I deeply respect the people's freedom of will/speech who like these genres, so I think the staff of the site should leave everything the same way as they were in the past.

Post #534854
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9:19 am, Apr 25 2010
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I say remove the download links. I mean, I don't want this site to be hit in the future. It may seem ok to leave everything as it is now, but who knows the implications it can bring further down the line. I myself wouldn't take such a risk.
If you're just removing the download links, it shouldn't be such a problem to how we use the site. We'd just have to go to the scanlators site, which if anything, is good for them. Also, by taking some sort of action, it shows that we're trying to cooperate, and not just shrugging it off and throwing it back in their faces. Whether the action you take is good enough for them or not..well, it's a gamble either way.
Removing the genres and information is a bit OTT. I don't think such measures need to be taken. Not yet anyway :/

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Post #534855

9:21 am, Apr 25 2010
Posts: 545

Stand your ground. Right now there's no compelling reason to remove it that I can see. If law enforcement agencies come after you - fair enough - but censoring because of what Google thinks is silly.

Post #534856 - Reply to (#534855) by Aikanaro
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9:32 am, Apr 25 2010
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"THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
and by that time no one was left to speak up."

If people cave in to this kind of thing, it'll just get worse.

There is NO reason to ban adults from viewing images of fictional characters, no matter what the hell they happen to be doing.

"It is those who know little, and not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science."
Post #534857
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9:39 am, Apr 25 2010
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I voted to remove the links, as it could potentially remove the problem, but I had another thought that wasn't listed.

Couldn't you just... remove the shotacon and lolicon genres from the database without removing the series themselves? Most "loli" or "shota" series have other redeeming qualities or genres that apply to them, so if you don't advertise them as being lolicon or shotacon, might that get rid of the problem? The reason I bring it up is simply because, where do you draw the line and decide what's a loli/shota series? L7world listed Omamori Himari as an example, but if you're familiar with the series, it's clearly not a loli-focused series. Would REC count as lolicon because Aka looks young? But she's 20, and it's not unrealistic for people to look like that at 20, so that'd just be sexist. Of course, Australia recently banned certain smaller breast sizes from pornography so maybe Aka would be considered a loli by some...

But anyway, that's my thought.

Post #534858 - Reply to (#534840) by blakraven66

9:49 am, Apr 25 2010
Posts: 1

yeah that'd be it, sensationalist prick trying to get more traffic for his shitty blog.

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Post #534859 - Reply to (#534858) by imderekyup
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9:56 am, Apr 25 2010
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lol, definitely agree. :<

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Post #534860
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10:00 am, Apr 25 2010
Posts: 19

I believe you should do Nothing and leave the site as it is. you made the site as a means for people to locate the manga they wanted, so just sit it out, everything will blow over in about a month or so. you don't have to compromise the site we all love for such a trivial matter.

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Post #534861 - Reply to (#534837) by true_grave_unit
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10:00 am, Apr 25 2010
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Yeah, 20% doesn't care, ugh. >:/

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Post #534862

10:06 am, Apr 25 2010
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Just don't display Adsense ads on pages marked loli/shota. Problem solved.

Post #534863

10:10 am, Apr 25 2010
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I don't really see how anyone can justify that stuff. Get rid of it all.

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