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cmertb
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3:24 pm, Jan 16 2018
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If you want to judge whether the scene is eroding or not, I think a more relevant measurement is the number of actual releases. The number of anonymous readers is of absolutely no relevance to scanlation.

(reply to residentgrigo, clicked the wrong reply button)

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hiei_luke
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4:15 pm, Jan 16 2018
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I feel affected, like seriously.
I usually went to Batoto to get direct sources, not reading via this reader but getting links to go to the scanlators' pages. Before this, I felt disheartened when MU can't upload their pages anymore & with this decision, it will be tremendous lost. I don't know any other solution if I want to get to the hard-to-get scanlators' pages :c
(yup, simple Google-ing won't do much)

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Can no longer access the site already... o7

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Depending on the timezone they're 1-2 days too soon.

Cloudflare still cached this bit of text, but not that it's useful or anything (maybe give it some time?):

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Batoto will shut down permanently on January 18, 2018

Follows list export now available on "My Follows" page (to the right)

If domain is no longer up, forums will be available at the alternate address of vatoto.com (not used right now)


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Post #751204 - Reply to (#751042) by hiei_luke
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Quote from hiei_luke
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I usually went to Batoto to get direct sources, not reading via this reader but getting links to go to the scanlators' pages..


every group listed on batoto in an open office spreadsheet
https://mega.nz/#!elZ10ASC!U8xPmwAvhfb65Iv6P8AreZY7XO_i xbyJ_Png6tgIU94

baiyang
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every group listed on batoto in an open office spreadsheet
https://mega.nz/#!elZ10ASC!U8xPmwAvhfb65Iv6P8AreZY7XO_i xbyJ_Png6tgIU94

I was planning to manually trawl through my follows and pull the websites for each group so I freaked out when batoto went down today.

this spreadsheet just made my life so much easier...ty!

sushiaddiction
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https://github.com/loadletter/mangaupdates-urlfix
It helps a lot too, if you didn't already know.

Unfortunately many single person translators still have their site listed as batoto.

Last edited by sushiaddiction at 1:34 am, Jan 17

hiei_luke
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Quote from sushiaddiction
every group listed on batoto in an open office spreadsheet
https://mega.nz/#!elZ10ASC!U8xPmwAvhfb65Iv6P8AreZY7XO_i xbyJ_Png6tgIU94

Quote from sushiaddiction
https://github.com/loadletter/mangaupdates-urlfix
It helps a lot too, if you didn't already know.

Unfortunately many single person translators still have their site listed as batoto.

First of all, thanks for both links!
Though not to be ungrateful/obvious, I hate to admit that not all scanlators are/will be included in the list compared to batoto's database.

For those who think they're not affected at all, then we'll see if you got your favourite series scanlated by people who rely on batoto (there are scanlators who only upload their works via batoto). Then, I want to know whether you will lament when your favourite series are not available or will never get a disclosure.
(Series that I've enjoyed so far mentioned about this T_T Sad that I usually enjoyed underrated series with small, precious team)

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If you want to judge whether the scene is eroding or not, I think a more relevant measurement is the number of actual releases. The number of anonymous readers is of absolutely no relevance to scanlation.

(reply to residentgrigo, clicked the wrong reply button)

Yes, exactly. I fail to see what's the point in comparing lesser number of scanlators/scanlations vs flourishing number of viewers (readers).
In my humble opinion, this is the era where most members in scanlation team leaving the scene to face the inevitable growing life issues (this includes me) without getting any predecessor. (Lack of dedicated volunteers like we used to)

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Though not to be ungrateful/obvious, I hate to admit that not all scanlators a ...


Yes, I've been posting this all over batoto
https://bato.to/forums/topic/28921-to-all-scanlators-without-a-web -site/

People don't realise that a large chunk of the sites out there scraped bototo for content and many sites will collapse with trying to get new chapters without batoto.

e.g. https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=145556
I know will be uploaded on dynasty scans site but what about the 30 other manga from smaller groups in my list sad

That tampermonkey script is the only option at the moment and users can add sites (look at bottom of page https://github.com/loadletter/mangaupdates-urlfix). Users will keep adding links to the manga they are reading because it saves time.


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Post #751236 - Reply to (#750533) by installgentoo
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12:58 pm, Jan 17 2018
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Nothing would be lost if you left, you mean. He was forced to make it "members only" after insane amounts of bot traffic flooded the site and put a huge strain on the servers.

Members only didn't fix the problem with the bots forever, but it worked for a while at least.

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Nothing would be lost if you left, you mean.

No, I mean only what I said. But what you are claiming is true, nothing would be lost if I or most people (including you) left this site.

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He was forced to make it "members only" after insane amounts of bot traffic flooded the site and put a huge strain on the servers.

Members only didn't fix the problem with the bots forever, but it worked for a while at least.

"Forced", yeah, sure. Bot traffic, assuming a reasonable amount of bots (<100 let's say) and assuming that they do not make requests all the time and no more than a single request per bot at a specific point cause no real problems.
Not to mention that adding accounts would not help even a single bit, even if you do have spyware like reCAPTCHA on your site. These only cause problems to legit visitors (difficulty to sign up, you have to remembers passwords and usernames, you have to worry about your account being compromised, you have to enable cookies, you have to enable javascript to sign up, you have to worry about being spied on, etc).
A real solution to both bots/unreasonable traffic as well as to avoid losing content when sites like batoto disappear would be to make a decentralised solution instead, such as bittorrent/ipfs/etc.
Right now the owner of the site decided that he would not give the site or its contents to anyone, this disgusting behaviour would not have occurred in the case of a decentralised service.

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Right now the owner of the site decided that he would not give the site or its contents to anyone, this disgusting behaviour would not have occurred in the case of a decentralised service.


And where is that decentralized service? Who's going to set it up? Let's listen to the sound of crickets now.

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And where is that decentralized service? Who's going to set it up? Let's listen to the sound of crickets now.

I never claimed that such a service exists right now. I only said that this would not be a problem in a decentralised platform. That being said, if the owner of the site did publish its contents as a torrent or something like that anyone would be able to set up a decentralised alternative.
In any case, you can check the manga torrents on the Nyaa replacements if you want something similar to what I proposed.

cmertb
Post #751259 - Reply to (#751253) by installgentoo
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As far as I know, people (Batoto staff) are already backing up the contents of the site, although no one one knows what they'll do with it. Your impression that Grumpy isn't allowing that is mistaken.

But in general, I just wanted to say that there are many things we could do to come up with a better platform. But there is always the lack of one critical component -- someone to actually spend time and effort doing it.

Really, in the entire history of scanlation, there have been only five projects for the benefit of scanlators that I'm aware of: MangaHelpers, Foolslide, and Batoto are the ones I remember, but there used to be a couple of other online aggregators even before my time, but they quickly died. MH has been dead for a while (in its original form), Foolslide never developed to where its creator wanted it, i.e. to a global scanlation repository. And Batoto is being eulogized in this very thread.

It's very clear there is a lack of will and motivation in this community, so we should just stop dreaming about how good things could be.

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@cmertb The amount of releases that get submitted to MU daily hardly decreases and anon scan groups are as legit a part of the scene as ones that have a dedicated site. The delivered product is the same after all. A shit ton of the porn scans too fall though MUs cracks too yet, yet e-hentai is still a top 5000 site according to Alexa. The web toon scene is also badly covered by this site all in all. Etc.

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