EXACTLY what I thought.

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IMO we should just be glad there are people out there that is kind enough to translate manga for us so respecting the people who take precious time out of their day to bring it to us is what everyone should do. A simple thank you would suffice rather than calling them "drama queens".
I also have no respect for people who take manga and claim it as their own or disrespect the wishes of the scanlators. The only ones losing out when scanlators quit is the fans so be respectful of the people who are losing out on their mangas. What goes around always comes back around

yeah, I was the leader of BTWscan, I only let 2 and only 2 online readers to host my manga(that's because AnimeA ask me to let them host it), and that's after 2 days. But, what happen is, only that 2 respect my policy, other online reader just host my scanlation right after the release post.

The leecher community really pissed me off. They take the scanlation for granted, they never read the scanlator policy at all

You missed the point again. It's bad to earn money on the mangaka's work if you haven't any acknowledgement from the mangaka. I'm quite sure the online mangareaders don't.

NO! Scanlators shouldn't get money for the mangaka's work. They are doing it for free, for the love of the manga, not to learn money. If they want money they can go professional and go after the license of the manga title and thus the rights for earning money on it.

Saying that someone will always do bad things and accept it, only makes you look bad too. This is the reason why Shi-Ki closed because enough is enough. Making them the bad guys for having some real values just tells us how wrong your thinking is. Buying a figure and giving the mangaka a very small share of it...the chance of that happening is really small. Specially when they could just get a lot of money if people just bought their titles.

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Thank you~

You should join me too. It's just not worth any longer to scanlator for others, it hasn't been for the last years.^^

My life won't be simple and easy now but it will be much simpler and easier than before. I won't need to stress about getting releases out to the readers anymore. I won't need to stress to keep many other groups alive because I won't be a staff member there anymore.

Still I need to release the shounen chapters I got translated before I can really quit. I want the readers to at least be able to read a little more of the manga before dropping it. Specially the ones with cliffhangers^^

go away looser
we scanlators work for free and we can do what we feel like to do if you dont agree with us then go make your own group
meh... loosers

So we are going down the philosophical path here. I think the whole current system that charges for access to works of art is wrong. Creators should earn money as a result of public approval - be it in the form of merchandise sales, advertisements, better contractual work or even direct government payments from taxes(like the funds BBC gets from the UK population). This means that anyone that spreads the manga is doing the mangaka a favor - even if the mangaka in question is thinking otherwise, and even if it hurts him financially in the short term. Any job that makes people thankful for it should recieve their gratitude - be it in the form of new recruits to do scanlations (to pay with scanlations for scanlations), or be it in the form of donations, or be it in the form of a publisher's salary. Online readers are just another aspect of that distribution - if they are making the manga available for people with no access to your IRC channel, or whatever else, they are doing them a favor, and a favor should be repaid.

It doesn't matter what you think. You are not to say what's best for the mangaka, totally not when you or someone else are the one earning money on the mangaka. The mangaka or the company that got the license can decide that even if it's their downfall. We aren't their law or gods to decide it for them.

No matter what you say online mangareaders are making money out of manga. That's bad. That's a fact. The philosophical is only in what the scanlation groups are doing and that can be discussed. The money making machine called online mangareaders cannot.

The mangaka never asked for this favour you are talking about, lol. We even had mangaka asking people to stop with it, sending out C&D letters and screaming about it on their blogs. Something they didn't know about until online mangareaders put it on their place. There is a reason why when the media thinks that mangareaders are making the manga when they are not. It's because the common reader thinks it too. This is also why OneManga closed. So stop thinking that someone should get repaid, ROFLMAO, for distributing without their approval.

About the repaid thingie...I just don't understand how you try to legalize something that's totally in the black zone which just screams that people are earning on the mangaka's work illegally. It's wrong, it's forbidden, it's illegal. What more can be said about this?

There's really nothing more to discuss. Everyone who knows what is right and wrong can see how wrong the actions of online mangareaders are. Saying that they are doing good cuz they are giving people manga while earning money on it...is just as bad. They got no right to do that. No right at all!

I just find this entire situation incredibly amusing since MU doesn't seem to be able to win. Let him go, people will rage. Punish him, people will rage. Can't satisfy a mob, after all.

Read a bit of Bastiat's "Economic Sophisms". Mangaka's opinion doesn't matter - just like any one else in capitalism, they profit from their product being scarce. But public good is destruction of scarcity.
Online mangareaders are bringing the manga to more people, so they are destroying the scarcity = good.

LOL
What you just told me is the same as "killing people for oil is good cuz why are the arabs keeping it when it's for the greater good for the world if it's shared".

I had to use an extreme otherwise you probably wouldn't get it. I tried a lot of times but it didn't work. I still think you didn't get it...I feel sad for you, I really do. I bet the others who will look at this topic will feel the same. There's nothing to do, we are different. I got my rights and wrongs, you got your own rights and wrongs...given they are screwed.

Now if you still find that mangareaders are good even when they are earning money on the mangaka's work...then I think you just showed everyone in this topic that you are someone from those mangareaders and that's why you find something wrong according to law even to be right. It's shameful to see what greed can do to some people to justify their wrongdoings.

I won't be commenting on your comments again...cuz as someone else said it perfectly clear:
"I think you're a stupid troll"
It just took me time to see it because I care too much. ^^

Wait, sorry, who is gonna rage if he is fired?

I've been an updater for a year or two now and I have never once uploaded a release to any site other than MU. We aren't affiliated with those readers (as far as I know). I think that group overreacted and blamed the wrong people, how would they even know that he was one of our mods in the first place and how would they know that he's the one uploading there.
Secondly,sure It's their right to not want their releases on online readers but to go as far as quit just because they don't respect your request is selfish. there are other alternatives such as go to like Passwords on their .rars, MASSIVE water marks, require post counts to DL ect. If they are going to quit that's fine but don't blame MU for quitting, it's their decision to quit not MU forcing you to quit.

Back to Matias.

Honor ? He does not know the meaning of it. What he know is his contribution count increased, thats all.

http://forums.mangafox.com/members/206098-matias06 7
Also MF displays who uploaders are on the series page.
That's how they know.