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Is the U.S. Education System adequate to ensure the future of your children?
Of course. We are a superpower after all.
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Post #165909 - Reply to (#12648) by chueisha
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oh my goodness, SAY YES!!! DON'T SAY NO!! the learning is already easy, don't make those teachers torture us kids with more learning for the so called "your future". TT_____TT i am going to have superpower after-all!! hehehe xD


Finally someone understands!! Not everyone wants to be a genius you know........ roll eyes

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I'd almost take offense to that, since I went to one of those small town high schools. But since I found the opposite of what you've experienced to be true, it doesn't bother me as much.

you might be from a 99 % white rich town, but a lot of other towns do not have enough money from the gov't. I'm only speaking in a general situation which applies to the mass, not to individuals. I see no reason for your feeling of been offended.



I have a lot of friends from People's Republic of China, and I'll tell you, their classes are crazy. It's insane how hard they have to study. Thank God I'm not taking classes there.

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Post #165911 - Reply to (#165889) by ares6
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I'm from the city and I met a lot of people from different places, mostly smaller cities or towns. I can tell you this, kids in the city are much more mature mentally. As far as school is concerned, school condition in smaller cities or town tends to be worse than conditions in the city. I'm not talking about environment, but the school's "material". With less funding for the smaller cities and town schools. Of course, this does not imply that they are not as a good of a student as the city kids.


I'm not the largest authority on this subject, but don't inner city schools typically receive the least funding? I think generalizing it to cities and small towns is a bit extreme- in any city there are going to be good and bad districts and schools, and I really don't think that even if they were averaged they would end up being universally better in terms of material or funding.

That said, I don't entirely disagree with you, but I think the maturity does in fact stem from the environment rather than the education.



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Actually, the district I went to school in, the white population was less than 50%. We just had super amazing teachers. That's all it really takes.

The next town over on the other hand has an overwhelming amount. There were actually more white trash than anything, but the amount of rich folk who's kids were also in the same district meant even those inbred hicks could get good schooling.

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Post #165917 - Reply to (#165908) by kiddo
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then there's finland. their kids start school at age 7 and the performance of individual schools is kept confidential to minimize competition. unless parents ask, kids aren't graded till they're 13. they have no standardized testing apart from their end of the year high school final exams and homework is light by international standards. yet this country comes in first or second in every category for the programme for international student assessment (PISA) test scores. and finnish children were the third happiest among developed nations in the 2007 UNICEF report.
there are also schools in countries other than the U.S. in which children from the ages of about 4-6 go to school, but do not have homework or textbooks, and instead do what they like and hold conversations every day with the teacher there only as a guardian. these children develop creative skills much faster, and tend to do better in their later years of schooling because they are taught to enjoy learning before they begin to actually learn by the education system's rigid standards.
basically what i'm trying to say is that because many schools are too intent on teaching kids solely for their standardized test outcomes, kids are not truly gaining knowledge but are instead learning how to do well on tests. and either you truly educate them or you teach them formulas and you don't half-ass it. that's what U.S. schools are doing, which is why our schools are inadequate.

bleh, if i got anything wrong in this it's because i'm rambling and i haven't gotten a proper night's sleep in three days due to projects and tests. 6 more days of school!! woot. -_-


what do you expect they are the danes. ill tell you this, that whole danesh area has the best stats in everything you dont see them on the top of the list but overall they do have the best stats from leadership to healthcare why just look at thier world war II stats you'd be suprised at how well they did. anyways overall americas education is ok (overall i think its way better then most asain eduction systems not because but it can learn from thier system), but its not the best. one of the things that need to change is... actaully i dont know how to describe it but its like in the us during 8th grade the lvl of the things thaught skyrockets and many students dont know how to handle this so it forces them to drop out while in other countries the lvl kind rises linearly rather then exponentially.

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Finland's the new canada lol

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Finland's the new canada lol


uhm not really finlands been doing awesome for ages its just that most people dont know how good they are while canada is only rise withen the past 20-30 years. and the fin can basically own everybody with thier specail ops which is in the top three. you know im getting pissed off at mams now

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I think the education system here could be better, but it isnt terrible. People who dont want to be educated shouldnt be forced to, and people who do want to should pursue what they want to know on their own if its really important. we get the general areas down, but forcing people to do more work and learn is just going to make them less motivated.

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I think the education system here could be better, but it isnt terrible. People who dont want to be educated shouldnt be forced to, and people who do want to should pursue what they want to know on their own if its really important. we get the general areas down, but forcing people to do more work and learn is just going to make them less motivated.

That's the crux of it right there. The people who are not booksmart may have a wealth of knowledge in car repair or agriculture. That is the beauty of the US, it is down to the individual to decide what they want out of the educational system. If one want to study primarily shop or some other blue collar work, that is fine.

To be honest, I think that too many people put a premium on being educated and such. Blue Collar jobs are being outsourced and replaced by service jobs in this country, and as a result, more and more blue collar people are going out of work, leading to the so called need for better education. Not everyone is cut out for college/higher education is my general point.

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I'm from the city and I met a lot of people from different places, mostly smaller cities or towns. I can tell you this, kids in the city are much more mature mentally. As far as school is concerned, school condition in smaller cities or town tends to be worse than conditions in the city. I'm not talking about environment, but the school's "material". With less funding for the smaller cities and town schools. Of course, this does not imply that they are not as a good of a student as the city kids.


I'm not the largest authority on this subject, but don't inner city schools typically receive the least funding? I think generalizing it to cities and small towns is a bit extreme- in any city there are going to be good and bad districts and schools, and I really don't think that even if they were averaged they would end up being universally better in terms of material or funding.

That said, I don't entirely disagree with you, but I think the maturity does in fact stem from the environment rather than the education.


Inner[Bigger] City have more money. I hope you know that at least.
Compare NYC to most small city or town, which one have more money?



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Inner[Bigger] City have more money. I hope you know that at least.
Compare NYC to most small city or town, which one have more money?

More money does not necessarily equal better schools/education. I hope you know that at least. roll eyes

In most cases it helps, but what really makes better schools/education is better teachers.

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Inner[Bigger] City have more money. I hope you know that at least.
Compare NYC to most small city or town, which one have more money?

More money does not necessarily equal better schools/education. I hope you know that at least. roll eyes

In most cases it helps, but what really makes better schools/education is better teachers.


More money in the city means more money in the gov't fund to spend. These, in the trickling down effect, more money is given to the school. We are talking about how much money the school have, not which school is better because of it's location. Maybe you mis-read the previous comments? Of course this is just a generalization.

Look, I see a lot of people getting offended. I think you guys are misinterpretating the comments. I'm not saying school in inner city are better than school in smaller cities. I am saying, however, that money is a factor. More money for school to spent means more equipment and textbooks and improved environment for the school. This is just a generalization again, it does not apply to every case.

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More money in the city means more money in the gov't fund to spend. These, in the trickling down effect, more money is given to the school. We are talking about how much money the school have, not which school is better because of it's location. Maybe you mis-read the previous comments? Of course this is just a generalization.

No, I didn't mis-read (at least, I don't think I did?). Just because a school has more money doesn't mean it's better. Good teachers can be incredibly creative and do great things with low budgets, while not-so-great teachers can spend tons of money on things that don't really contribute to education at all.

I tend to get irritated when I see so much "more money = better" in US society in general, not just in this thread. It's not how much money/stuff/whatever you have, it's how well you use it and what you choose to do with it.

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I am saying, however, that money is a factor. More money for school to spent means more equipment and textbooks and improved environment for the school. This is just a generalization again, it does not apply to every case.

Money is one factor, but I honestly don't think it's necessarily the most important factor. Getting good teachers is, IMO, the most important factor - and while money plays into that, there's also the whole environment of the school & community, whether they're supportive of education, etc. People don't become teachers for the money (at least, not where I live).

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More money in the city means more money in the gov't fund to spend. These, in the trickling down effect, more money is given to the school. We are talking about how much money the school have, not which school is better because of it's location. Maybe you mis-read the previous comments? Of course this is just a generalization.

No, I didn't mis-read (at least, I don't think I did?). Just because a school has more money doesn't mean it's better. Good teachers can be incredibly creative and do great things with low budgets, while not-so-great teachers can spend tons of money on things that don't really contribute to education at all.

I tend to get irritated when I see so much "more money = better" in US society in general, not just in this thread. It's not how much money/stuff/whatever you have, it's how well you use it and what you choose to do with it.



Geez, I just explained that I didn't say one school is better than the other, I said money is a factor and this factor(money) will affect how much supply a school have. Do you think teachers in a poor and bad school gets paid more than a teacher in a rich and prestigious school? Teachers are people too. They need money. Good teachers will go to school that pays them more. Now moral and selfless teacher may go anywhere, but we don't have a lot of those moral and selfless teacher in the world do we?

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Geez, I just explained that I didn't say one school is better than the other, I said money is a factor and this factor(money) will affect how much supply a school have. Do you think teachers in a poor and bad school gets paid more than a teacher in a rich and prestigious school?

but if you take into consideration the spreading of reggio or waldorf style schools which use the barest of necessities to (more than adequately in my opinion) teach children, then money really isn't as important of a factor.

and the first time i started seeing immoral and selfish teachers was from about halfway through middle school..

there are other outdoor-style schools but i'm just too lazy to look through my book for them...

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