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The couple you're cheering for?
1) Yakumo & Harima
2) Sawachika & Harima
3) Tenma & Harima
4) Tenma & Karasuma
5) ...Yakumo & Hanai....?
6) Suou and Hanai...
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Post #11257 - Reply to (#11252) by jho
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[quote=jho]Tenma is my favorite character to be together with Harima. I can understand why so many people would be annoyed with Tenma, but the way she reacted when Eri was treating her so badly really won me over. Tenma might be naive in a lot of ways but she's a true friend that will stay with you till the end. Harima's dream is Tenma and I always vote for the guy to get the girl of his dreams in the end.

That said, as a second choice I like Eri over Yakumo. Yakumo is really nice and sacrificial, but her relationship with Harima would be dull as heck. You could not have a manga with only Yakumo and Harima, I would yawn myself to sleep. Eri is the one girl who has grown the most throughout the series and she is the one most likely to be with Harima IF

Harima ever gets out of his tunnel vision with Tenma. And right now going past 200 chapters that looks like a big IF to the annoyance of many laugh [/quote]


Hahahaha, if it was Yakumo and Harima, then it would be simply a 'romance' manga, no longer 'romance comedy', so yea i agree in that if it was the two of them alone it would be boring as heck. But if it was just Eri and Harima then it'd be hard to find the 'romance' within the 'romance comedy'. It's there, yea, but it won't feel as serious since you'll notice more screw-ball comedy(as stated by someone else earlier) more, as Yakumo adds a bit of sincerity to the equation.

I agree with you 100% on the big IF though, lol


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Post #11273 - Reply to (#11252) by jho
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IF Harima ever gets out of his tunnel vision with Tenma. And right now going past 200 chapters that looks like a big IF to the annoyance of many laugh

The thing that everyone seems to forget is that the only way Harima will ever have a chance with Tenma is IF she gets over her tunnel vision with Karasuma. Harima may be stubborn, but Tenma is stubborn and successful in her relationship. Ch.222 really reinforces this; as of right now, I'd say the chance of Tenma ending up with anybody other than Karasuma is absolutely nil.

Besides, Harima is wavering between Eri and Tenma. Given the recent Tenma x Karasuma focus during Harima's departure, it shouldn't be too hard to guess which way he's going to go. ;)

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Well Eri hasn't spent much time with Yakumo either, yet all the same she tries to interfere with Yakumo & Harima's relationship. So the same could be said to both.

When is this? Every time that she thought Yakumo and Harima were dating, Eri stepped down.

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But Yakumo's snap judgements are based on immediate actions taken by the other person, such things don't exactly require association or knowledge of the person beforehand.

They're still wrong, regardless. You've seen enough of Hanai by now to know that he is a good person.

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And i still think it's an exaggeration to say that Hanai was being used, he's always constantly hounding Yakumo for attention, but she only took Hanai's glasses that one time. I'd say she unconciously borrowed it rather then intentionally 'used' him.

Regardless of how you decide to soften the blow, she did deceive him to take his glasses. Given that she normally avoids him, the fact that she only bothered to stay when she needed something out of him does show that she used him. Whether you think Hanai deserved it or not is another question; it doesn't change the action or the intent itself.

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The problem with feeling moments of when Yakumo is warm and caring, and when Eri is warm and caring, is that their personalities before hand makes it harder/easier to spot those moments. Yakumo is usually calm and passive, so when she does do nice stuff (ie bringing out hot chocolate to Harima on valentines when he was spying on Tenma) are quick to be forgottten due to the constant atmosphere of said warmth that the mangaka tries to put forth.

Well, even in that example that you used, Yakumo tries to give Harima the chocolate after Tenma tells her to give chocolate to a guy. Calmness is not the same as warmth. By that same token, you might as well say that Karasuma gives off an air of constant warmth.

Also, there are a number of scenes which have shown that Yakumo is perceived as generally unapproachable by her classmates. Contrast that with someone like Sara who is genuinely warm, and who takes the initiative to do nice things for her friends. It's important to pay attention to what a person does without prompting.

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Eri on the other hand, she is often portrayed as cold and decisive, making her moments of warmth all that much more easier to spot, due to its large contrast with her outer personalites, and thus, easier to appreciate. They both have a lot caring, kind moments.

A large portion of the story is written around Eri's perspective, so while she may have initially been introduced as an Ojousama, she is constantly shown to care for her friends. A key difference between Yakumo and Eri is that Eri always takes the initiative to help her friends and does nice things for them without taking credit for it (usually by trying to conceal her involvement). When Mikoto breaks up with Asou, Eri is the one who steps in to console her. When Akira has doubts about her ability to write a script for the play, Eri is the one who writes a silly story to cheer her up. When Tenma has doubts about her ability to play baseball, Eri privately tells Karasuma to cheer her up. Even look at her decision to sew a name tag for Harima - Eri is very spontaneous in expressing her love for the people around her. That's the truest expression of love - when you do something for someone because you feel inspired to do so, rather than because someone came along and prompted you.

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Well, Yakumo is the quiet type who keeps most her feelings bottled up, like discussed before. Those rumors were indeed affecting her as you can see through her reactions to them, the faint blush put here and there, the stammered replies. In general, i don't think any japanese-high-school girl would want rumors about them staying the night over at another male's house. The assumption that such rumors would affect her is natural, no doubt intended by the mangaka, else he would skip the scenes where Yakumo is directly questioend about the rumors.

Regardless, you can't assume that a response that may or may not apply in general is Yakumo's real response just because she doesn't give us one. If the mangaka wanted to show us that she was troubled, he would have shown us some thoughts from Yakumo to that effect. He did it for Harima right at the start of the story arc.

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That is not quite true, the scene where she is crying to Sara is a prime example of her definitely not walking away feeling justified for when she snapped, and could be taken as her moment of 'sitting down and asking herself why she snapped'. She is working through her emotions and naivete as the manga progresses, which i consider to be quite good character development.

Well, it's good character development that happened over 200 chapters into the story. Hanai is getting good character development now, by that same token - but it's still rather late in the game. It would have been better if she had shown some signs of thinking things through in the earlier instances that she snapped, but the author has only recently tried to make her less of a plot device and more of a real human character.

She still hasn't thought about the original causes of her anger - which is something that she can only do by reaching out and talking to Tenma.

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She does make amends for some of the actions, but not all. Many, such as kneeing Harima across the head in the second volume, was left at just that.

You'll have to remember that Eri reciprocates Harima's behavior and attitude towards her. The two were on good terms during their first meeting; Harima changed that by wrongfully confessing to Eri and not trying to clear things up.

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And i believe the reason she didn't exact revenge on Yakumo, was not because she had grown in maturity and grace, though im sure she has, but it was due to self-guilt at knowing Yakumo was justified in slapping her. Eri herself wanted to apologize, that is known, but she did not due to her stubborness, she felt one way but acted another. She has indeed grown in the past, but refusing to forgive and continuing to say hurtful things is not a sign of that growth.

The issue was between Eri and Tenma. Had Tenma slapped Eri, that might have been a plausible idea. However, Yakumo attacked Eri without warning, when she wasn't even involved in the situation. Even if you somehow think that Eri, on being suddenly and violently attacked by someone uninvolved, thought "Ah, so this must be my punishment," then she still is showing far more self-restraint than Yakumo, who lashes out physically first before stopping to think.

In addition, Eri was fully justified in saying what she said to Tenma. Tenma knew about Eri's situation with Harima; she was the one who encouraged them to spend more time together in the first place, back in Ch.197. Then, despite that, Tenma suddenly decides to spend lots of time with Harima, spoiling Eri's birthday in the process. Even it was unintentional, Eri did have a right to tell Tenma that she was upset about Tenma's careless, inconsiderate behavior. If someone steps on your foot, you have every right to make it clear to them that they are hurting you.

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Yakumo's growth throughout this manga has been more subtle and slow, speeding up ever since the last few chapters.

Yakumo's character development has been nonexistent prior to the last few chapters. The main reason is that before that point, Yakumo was presented as a character who could do no wrong. I think the author realized that he went a little overboard with her self-righteousness in Ch.211/212, which is why she was finally forced to become a little more human in Ch.215. Don't get me wrong; it's a good development, but it really is too little too late.

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And i would not say that Eri has completely surpassed Yakumo, in fact, she was not inferior to begin with, she was just playing on the wrong strengths. I believe she and Yakumo are quite equal. Yakumo's admittance seems to be more out of self-loathing, a repentance for having slapped Eri in the first place if you will.

Everyone is equal as a human being. I'm referring more to the personality traits demonstrated.

Yakumo's speech in Ch.116 was not done out of self-loathing; it was done out of genuine admiration for Eri.

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Yes it is up to Eri whether or not she wants to forgive Tenma. And she does at that, but her words came out differently. But first, think of why she loathed Tenma to begin with, was it justified in all truth? Just because Tenma got along well with Harima, Eri hates her enough that she would completely spurn a friend that cares about her that much. If its personality we base off of for whoever gets Harima, then that would make me most definitely not vote for Eri.

For starters, it doesn't matter whether or not you agree with another person's reasons for liking or disliking another person. The fact that it's their decision justifies it.

But it wasn't about Tenma getting along with Harima - it was about Tenma preventing Eri from spending time with him, as she did on Eri's birthday. The whole problem arose because Tenma, while good natured, just doesn't think about how her actions can affect the people around her. We know that Tenma absolutely hates the idea of someone getting in the way of her relationship with Karasuma - when Eri sits next to Karasuma on the bus in an attempt to spur Tenma into action, Tenma immediately becomes angry and gets revenge by making Eri carsick. Now if Tenma considers this act to be reprehensible, then why on earth doesn't she realize what she's doing to Eri? At the end of that story arc, Tenma still doesn't grow, and she still remains inconsiderate - the only thing that changes is that Eri tries to be even more patient around her.

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Whether or not Yakumo's personality wins is another matter, as she does have her faults too. Tenma collapsing on the front steps of the house is equivalent at the very least, to Tenma spending an entire day and night outside eri's house. Now, Yakumo forgave Tenma after the collapse, Eri still did not. So Yes, even after that, Yakumo does indeed have the right to judge if she compares Eri to herself in the past. And there are some actions that are meant to not be condoned, Eri does have her own moments where her actions should never be forgivable, but you have to take the good with the bad.

Yakumo physically assaulted Eri while she was in the middle of breaking down to apologize. That does make it kind of difficult.

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Like i said, she borrowed Hanai's glasses, and that was after spending most of the day with him in the first place. If anything, it can be considered compensation for him hounding her endlessly when she is uncomfortable with his straightforward manner.

Usually, most people decide to tell the other person that they are uncomfortable, before resorting to petty theft.

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If everytime you borrow something from someone else that you're not completely familiar with can be considered condemnable manipulation, then everybody would be a mastermind in manipulation. This matter with Hanai is trivial, and caused no real harm, nor was any harm intended. He got back his glasses as well as spend time with a girl he is infatuated with.

It's not about whether any damage was done. Yakumo showed that while she dislikes Hanai and is perfectly willing to shun him most of the time, she is also willing to use her influence over him to deceive him when it is convenient for her. That says something about her character.

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The forcefulness i talk about is not the same forcefulness as holding them down and forcing them to like you, but rather getting in their face at every possible moment to try and spend time with them despite not knowing if they really like someone else, ignoring how others may feel about him.

If Harima really did have a problem with it, he'd tell her - he's had no problems being very rude to her in the past. Even look at the end of the basketball arc - if he decides that he doesn't want to talk, he's very blunt about it. The fact remains that Harima wanted to spend time with Eri, and he enjoyed it, as he clearly tells her in Ch.198. If Harima decides that he finds his time with Eri more enjoyable than his time with Tenma, then there's nothing wrong with that.

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It's not that he didn't want to spend time with her or not, he just does, with no ulterior motive.

So you're in agreement that Harima wants to spend time with Eri, then?

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She wanted Harima and Tenma to get together because she believed it would be 'best'. Yes, she did indeed love Harima at the time, and how come it seems like she wasn't sacrificing anything to set them up? Because she hides it so well trying to deny her own feeling so that others may be happy.

Where does it say this in the manga?

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Ch.206 is just more denial in hopes of things will turn out right, though the evidence that she likes him is very much still there.

Where is this evidence? She smiles when she says that Harima isn't interested in her, because that way she can feel safe with the belief that Harima won't change his interest from Tenma to Eri.

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And chapter 215, yes she realizes she's been acting unfairly, but that is just more self-loathing after realizing that she outright acted for her own benefit for the first time. Which i believe is unfair since she does not have many moments where what she does is solely for herself, save probably the cat scene. Everybody should be allowed to be selfish every once in a while.

Ch.215 says that Yakumo had a problem with Harima and Eri getting together, but Ch.206 makes it clear that she has no problems with Harima and Tenma getting together. At no point does she decide that she wants a relationship with Harima.

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I am not dismissing the pairing, i am judging based on what's happened, as you are judging the Yakumo & Harima pairing based on what you believed happened. If you're a supporter the idea who Tenma likes is Tenma's decision, and shouldn't be changed by anyone else, then who Harima likes Harima's decision, and shouldn't be changed by anyone else. Course, this then leads to noone end up with anyone, rofl. But, that's how it'll go.

You're assuming that Harima likes Tenma, in that. I'm suggesting that he has already started to like Eri.

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really? i never noticed that part. if indeed he took a picture of specifically Eri and Eri alone, with no other pictures accompanying, then yea i would consider that to be a huge hint lmao.

It's a picture of Eri and Tenma. But of course, you'd have to wonder why the author would have bothered to draw Eri in, if he wasn't trying to imply something behind that.

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If you're talking about the slap, then that is by no means keeping them apart, it did nothing to keep them apart. Any other instances, i fail to see her sole intent to be fixated on keeping the two of them apart (once again, asides from the cat scene, which i consider too ambiguous to judge from).

I'm talking about the way that Yakumo told Harima about Eri's feelings. It may have been done with good intentions, but it was still inappropriate.

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But following what you say, it would still be too little too late no matter what she does right? I don't believe in this, it is never too late to change, in life or in manga xD.

It's never too late to change, unless it's the end of the school year, you've already thrown your support behind the main heroine, and the main plot point is about to resolve itself.

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Those 'outbursts' can be considered family pride, which is a very important thing in Japan.

It is also the slapping of a sempai and thus an elder, which is considered to be a very inappropriate thing in Japan. It's a pretty serious stain on her character.

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Wanting to protect your loved ones and keeping them pure is a normal reflex to any human being. She seems no more different to me then anybody else, so why persecute her so? If she were to go around attacking and humiliating people out of anger for herself, then yes i would have to agree with you, but she does not. If you are going to persecute her for defending her sister, then you should persecute Eri also for attacking Harima and shaving his head out of anger. You should not judge one while turning a blind eye on another.

The key difference between the two is that when Eri decides to protect someone whom she loves, she defends them by changing the other person's point of view, as she does in Ch.154 when she feels that Tenma wrongfully accuses Harima of being a monkey. Assaulting someone doesn't change their ideas, so it isn't a form of defense.

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Yes i would actually prefer a more solid example, as that situation is a normal decision based on family. Most anybody would do what's best to please their parents, asides from those truly horrible people that intentionally tries to hurt their parents.

You're generalizing. The point was to demonstrate how Eri thinks about others before herself, not whether such a quality was commonly demonstrated by people in general. Besides, my example already contains a situation with Mikoto, which you curiously neglected to mention.

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And, in the end, she ended up deciding on behalf of herself, rejecting the proposal. Of course she made sure her mother was ok with it at first, but she acted against her original intentions nonetheless. So she was indeed selfless at first, but the sacrifice did not carry out. Her intentions were there, but in the end she did what was best for her.

That still doesn't change the intention, regardless. She only acted because Harima brought her there telling that he wanted to break up the Omiai.

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No i would most definitely not, but i would begrudge unjustified information being given.

I hope by that you don't mean that you intend to censor what information people do get to receive.

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which makes it even worse, as she attempts to intervene early on, while under the assumption that something was already happening between the two.

You still haven't shown me how Eri has intervened in any way.

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That is true, and that is why there should be no more "Yakumo does not deserve anyone" type discussions, for it is unfair and unjust to think so.

Reread what I wrote. So far, Yakumo has acted reprehensibly, and she has admitted to acting in this manner. Until she does something to repair the damage which she has caused, there is nothing else that we have to judge her in a more positive light. So at present, she does not deserve anybody. Perhaps that will change if she shows more maturity in the future.

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Yes she did know that the script was totaled, or at least something of the sort, else she wouldn't have been out there to try and convince Harima not to give up on his dreams, saying that Tenma was working on a backup script(why work on a backup script if you don't know that the original was not totaled or the like?). And Harima explicitly said "why did she tear up my manga", to which Yakumo responded (and yes this is indeed under the assumption that 'she' was Eri) "It's because sawachika-senpai is in love with you". A response to counter what he was saying "And i thought she was a good person too...", trying to convince him that she was indeed a good person, just a bit misguided.

Actually, that response from Harima is what triggers her monologue, where Yakumo realizes that Eri is a good person, and that Eri and Harima are best suited for each other.

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Wouldn't you worry about someone getting sick if they're out in the cold too long, and only you're there to help? I believe its one of Harima's better traits, to care about others, whether or not it is haphazardly. Like he cared for Yakumo-cat, lol. He's just the type of guy who actually worries about others over himself at times most fitting, "being the man" and whatnot. And i think the purity of his love is implied if not stated, lol. God knows he rants about Tenma enough as it is.

But if he always rants about Tenma, then why was there no rant here? You can't just assume that he was thinking about keeping his relationship pure just because he always thinks about Tenma - if anything, the absence is even more conspicuous. Also, it's not just about Harima worrying that Eri will get sick - he had the same thought when he dropped her off at her house - but the intensity with which he said it. He was angry at the thought of her falling sick.

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So the point i've been trying to make is that Yakumo is not as bad as you say she is, just misunderstood and naive, still learning about the world and such.

The point that I've been trying to make is that had Yakumo run into the odd problem here and there earlier on for her mistakes, she'd be in a much stronger position than the one she currently is in.

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Eri does have a year's head-up on her, at that age, experience-wise. So Yakumo isn't a terrible person who deserves absolutely noone, i feel that saying that is far too harsh.

I'm not suggesting that Yakumo should never be with someone. I'm simply saying that as she currently is, she isn't in a position where she should be entering into a relationship. I'd say the same thing about Eri when the manga first started, about a year ago, but she's grown so much over the past year that she's more than ready. Yakumo needs to work out some of her personal problems first, and then she'll be in a much better position to handle a relationship later on. One of the things that she needs to work on is her generalized fear of guys whose thoughts she can read; after all, if she's going to be in a relationship with a guy who loves her, she's going to be able to read his mind, whether she wants to or not. The other thing that she can work on is her anger regarding Tenma - which she can do if she stops trying to play the older sister all the time and is more direct to Tenma about her issues regarding her.

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But one specifically terrible person was Kido and her outright betrayel to her boyfriend.

We don't actually know what Kido's relationship is with that college guy that she's been seen with (for all we know, he could just be a recruiter, since she was in line for a track scholarship), and we don't know if Kido really kissed those guys - since it takes place hidden from view.

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Hahahaha, if it was Yakumo and Harima, then it would be simply a 'romance' manga, no longer 'romance comedy', so yea i agree in that if it was the two of them alone it would be boring as heck. But if it was just Eri and Harima then it'd be hard to find the 'romance' within the 'romance comedy'. It's there, yea, but it won't feel as serious since you'll notice more screw-ball comedy(as stated by someone else earlier) more, as Yakumo adds a bit of sincerity to the equation.

I strongly disagree here. The most powerful romantic moments in the manga still come from Eri and Harima - some highlights including the scene during the Kyoto arc where Eri tends to Harima's wounds after he is beaten up by Max, the dance that they have together during the sports festival, and the night that the two spend in the temple together. These scenes may not be completely devoid of humor, but they certainly have an intensity none of the other pairings in the series has been shown to be capable of achieving.













Post #11280 - Reply to (#11273) by mavnent
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Well Eri hasn't spent much time with Yakumo either, yet all the same she tries to interfere with Yakumo & Harima's relationship. So the same could be said to both.

When is this? Every time that she thought Yakumo and Harima were dating, Eri stepped down.

First obvious attempt at making things somehow bad for Yakumo: When she first 'found out' and put Yakumo on the spot in front of everyone at the cafe, saying that they were going out. Another obvious event: During the play. Yakumo only accidently took part in the play, but Eri went so far to accuse Yakumo of being 'too familiar' and attempting to embarass her by defeating her on stage. Another incident was when Eri outright confronted Yakumo in the shrimp scene, trying to force Yakumo's confession out of her as to the reason why she would make special shrimp for Harima. If these arn't in some way an attempt to interfere, i'm not quite sure what is then.

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They're still wrong, regardless. You've seen enough of Hanai by now to know that he is a good person.

a lot of things in this world are wrong regardless. Are you saying that Eri completely isolatiing Tenma because she 'thought' that there was something going on between Tenma and Harima (just because those two got along so well) was right? Even though who know that, in spite of Harima trying ot get close to Tenma, she's only responding out of good will, since she too is a good person? Some things are more justified then others, some things arn't. This is no reason to completely put down Yakumo's personality and making her seem like the antagonist in this entire series.

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Regardless of how you decide to soften the blow, she did deceive him to take his glasses. Given that she normally avoids him, the fact that she only bothered to stay when she needed something out of him does show that she used him. Whether you think Hanai deserved it or not is another question; it doesn't change the action or the intent itself.

I repeat, this is a TRIVIAL matter, there are much, much worse things that other characters do, yet i do not see you condemning them the way you are condemning Yakumo. This is being selectively persecutive. You cannot judge her alone for this small thing that can so easily be ignored, when there are worse things out there being done by other characters. You wanna see used? What of Kido? What of Akira "Using" Harima and Hanai's depression to make a movie? These are much worse then Yakumo simply borrowing Hanai's glasses, and i think you should let the matter rest, if you will not go into detail and persecute every other character for deeds much more sinister.

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Well, even in that example that you used, Yakumo tries to give Harima the chocolate after Tenma tells her to give chocolate to a guy. Calmness is not the same as warmth. By that same token, you might as well say that Karasuma gives off an air of constant warmth.

Just because someone needs a push does not mean they are emotionless. Then what of the cat scene where Yakumo takes care of the cat? who told her then to be nice to the cat? How can you say that she has no moments of warmth when you so selectively ignore most of her good moments yet are so quick to point out the bad?

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Also, there are a number of scenes which have shown that Yakumo is perceived as generally unapproachable by her classmates. Contrast that with someone like Sara who is genuinely warm, and who takes the initiative to do nice things for her friends. It's important to pay attention to what a person does without prompting.

this is by no fault hers. Yakumo is just the quite type, she does not spurn friendship when friendship is offered, she's just too shy to offer it herself since she doesn't know how. What of the B scene where she actually attempts to make friends with her other classmates by bringing in the album? we see there that she is in truth far from unapproachable, just indecisive.

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A large portion of the story is written around Eri's perspective, so while she may have initially been introduced as an Ojousama, she is constantly shown to care for her friends. A key difference between Yakumo and Eri is that Eri always takes the initiative to help her friends and does nice things for them without taking credit for it (usually by trying to conceal her involvement). When Mikoto breaks up with Asou, Eri is the one who steps in to console her. When Akira has doubts about her ability to write a script for the play, Eri is the one who writes a silly story to cheer her up. When Tenma has doubts about her ability to play baseball, Eri privately tells Karasuma to cheer her up. Even look at her decision to sew a name tag for Harima - Eri is very spontaneous in expressing her love for the people around her. That's the truest expression of love - when you do something for someone because you feel inspired to do so, rather than because someone came along and prompted you.

This is through your view. When everyone reads or watches something, the character that they like most tend to stand out the most. For me, it seems like a large portion of the story has been written from Yakumo's perspective, so it is far from right to say and point out things solely about Eri, since that seems to be the only thing you're focused on: Eri's goods and those who wronged her. If you look carefully, this entire series has a large portion on almost everybody, and everyone has their own unique moments, which is part of the reason why almost every single character in school rumble is likeable. To badmouth another character just because they don't interact well with your favorite is a bad habit to make.

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Well, Yakumo is the quiet type who keeps most her feelings bottled up, like discussed before. Those rumors were indeed affecting her as you can see through her reactions to them, the faint blush put here and there, the stammered replies. In general, i don't think any japanese-high-school girl would want rumors about them staying the night over at another male's house. The assumption that such rumors would affect her is natural, no doubt intended by the mangaka, else he would skip the scenes where Yakumo is directly questioend about the rumors.

Regardless, you can't assume that a response that may or may not apply in general is Yakumo's real response just because she doesn't give us one. If the mangaka wanted to show us that she was troubled, he would have shown us some thoughts from Yakumo to that effect. He did it for Harima right at the start of the story arc.

He cannot show such thoughts about Yakumo without changing her personality drastically, as she is seen as one who keeps her most inner thoughts to herself (until recently, which is indeed a drastic change). I can very much assume such a response to be Yakumo's real response because that's what hints are there for, to allow use to assume things. Just as how you assume that Harima is actually starting to get romantic ideas about Eri, i just see it as Harima simply no longer seeing her as a cold-hearted kindless girl. Assumptions are meant to be assumed.

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Well, it's good character development that happened over 200 chapters into the story. Hanai is getting good character development now, by that same token - but it's still rather late in the game. It would have been better if she had shown some signs of thinking things through in the earlier instances that she snapped, but the author has only recently tried to make her less of a plot device and more of a real human character.

Late in the game probably, but who's to say? for all we know the series could last another 20 volumes of pure nonesense and character interactions. Then it would be far from late anymore. I myself thought that Eri's involvement came in too late too, after the Yakumo & Harima arc where they stay overnight to work on the manga. But i was of course obviously wrong, as she continued to develop and the manga continued to go on. So it is never too late untill we know that it has ended for sure. And if you payed more attention to her positives instead of her negatives throughout the chapter, you'll see that she is indeed a real human character, but so rare that you hardly notice her through all those naturally well known Eri's out there in real life.

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She still hasn't thought about the original causes of her anger - which is something that she can only do by reaching out and talking to Tenma.

and what is the cause of her anger originally? That her sister is a clutz? That her sister can't take care of herself? or that she cares too much about these things? Or is it you believe that she is being angry for Tenma through retribution of her past cruelness? I believe the causes of this anger is very clear, and reading too much into it is just making up excuses to badmouth Yakumo. Yakumo loves her sister very dearly, those who would mean her sister harm (physically, mentally, socially), are those that Yakumo would protect her from by all means. It's love for family, not some pent up deep down sinister unjustified anger.

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You'll have to remember that Eri reciprocates Harima's behavior and attitude towards her. The two were on good terms during their first meeting; Harima changed that by wrongfully confessing to Eri and not trying to clear things up.

So now you're saying that Eri was justified in attacking Harima out of anger? But you still condemned Yakumo for doing the exact same to Eri. Did Eri try and understand that Harima confessed wrongly? Did she even think to apologize after that? No she did not, and why would Yakumo alone have to if Eri doesn't herself? Please stop accusing things of Yakumo that Eri does as well, since it is not fair to either that we focus only on their negatives.

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The issue was between Eri and Tenma. Had Tenma slapped Eri, that might have been a plausible idea. However, Yakumo attacked Eri without warning, when she wasn't even involved in the situation. Even if you somehow think that Eri, on being suddenly and violently attacked by someone uninvolved, thought "Ah, so this must be my punishment," then she still is showing far more self-restraint than Yakumo, who lashes out physically first before stopping to think.

No, by involving her sister in grief, the situation involved Yakumo too, as her character design follows. Noone gets by in this world by acting and mediating alone, and those who do, do not for long. This is not a justified reason to say that she slapped her, but it is justified enough to say that she had the right to, since it was her sister that was risking her health just to apologize to a friend. And self-restraint is only self-restraint if the idea of becoming unrestrained enters your head at all, else it is simply being shocked into dis-action. Eri didn't once appear like she wanted to hit Yakumo back, she in fact hung her head down and accepted it.

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In addition, Eri was fully justified in saying what she said to Tenma. Tenma knew about Eri's situation with Harima; she was the one who encouraged them to spend more time together in the first place, back in Ch.197. Then, despite that, Tenma suddenly decides to spend lots of time with Harima, spoiling Eri's birthday in the process. Even it was unintentional, Eri did have a right to tell Tenma that she was upset about Tenma's careless, inconsiderate behavior. If someone steps on your foot, you have every right to make it clear to them that they are hurting you.

This is through Eri's view most of it. Who's to say they haven't been spending that much time together in the first place? Eri was probably jsut starting to notice it more accutely ever since the party incident. So that does not mean Tenma was intentionally trying something, so that does not give Eri reason to completely cut connections with her friend over something that was possibly happening well before. I believe them to be more then just tomodachi, i belive Eri and Tenma are nakama even, which holds a much, much stronger bond then any normal friends, a bond which is poorly translated in english. Those who betray their nakama without even trying to work things out (yes, Eri could have talked to Tenma about it several times, but pride kept her from doing so), are no justified for their actions.
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Yakumo's character development has been nonexistent prior to the last few chapters. The main reason is that before that point, Yakumo was presented as a character who could do no wrong. I think the author realized that he went a little overboard with her self-righteousness in Ch.211/212, which is why she was finally forced to become a little more human in Ch.215. Don't get me wrong; it's a good development, but it really is too little too late.

This is exactly what i mean by subtle. To people who hate Yakumo so much like you, you ignore any signs of her growth and thus it appears non-existant to you. But she has in fact: Become more social, become more open with her feelings, become less depending on supporting her nee-san. Saying that more obvious growth is too little too late is just an excuse to further say that Yakumo will, and always will be a terrible character. Like i said, it is never too late till we have reached the end, where we can judge for sure whether or not it really was too late.

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Everyone is equal as a human being. I'm referring more to the personality traits demonstrated.

And repentence is not a sign of good personality? I am also referring to personality traits, and to me, who was also once an Eri & Harima fan, i understand that neither Eri nor Yakumo are better then the other. I am judging from what i've seen on both sides, i am not oblivious to Yakumo's bad traits, but neither am i so fixated on her that i would be totally ignorant to Eri's good traits. so my decision that they are equal are based on as non-biased judgements as i can make.

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Yakumo's speech in Ch.116 was not done out of self-loathing; it was done out of genuine admiration for Eri.

If Yakumo crying to herself in sara's arm is not out of self-loathing, talking about how wrong she was for slapping Eri in part for herself, then i don't know what is. The point is, she does have self-loathing, which preceded the admiration.

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For starters, it doesn't matter whether or not you agree with another person's reasons for liking or disliking another person. The fact that it's their decision justifies it.

So Harima likes Tenma. There. So it's justified that they do a lot of things together. Then was it justified that Eri hated Tenma for Harima being justified? Do not bring that type of argument into play if third parties will not be mentioned.

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But it wasn't about Tenma getting along with Harima - it was about Tenma preventing Eri from spending time with him, as she did on Eri's birthday. The whole problem arose because Tenma, while good natured, just doesn't think about how her actions can affect the people around her. We know that Tenma absolutely hates the idea of someone getting in the way of her relationship with Karasuma - when Eri sits next to Karasuma on the bus in an attempt to spur Tenma into action, Tenma immediately becomes angry and gets revenge by making Eri carsick. Now if Tenma considers this act to be reprehensible, then why on earth doesn't she realize what she's doing to Eri? At the end of that story arc, Tenma still doesn't grow, and she still remains inconsiderate - the only thing that changes is that Eri tries to be even more patient around her.

this brings me back again to being justified for liking who your like. You are not taking into consideration Harima's feelings. He is absolutely mad about Tenma, and every moment that he is able to get with her, he will make use of it to its limits. Tenma and Harima hanging out a lot is not solely or even mainly Tenma's fault, it's Harima's. The very same person that Eri likes is trying their damdest to hold true to what you said earlier, justifying their own love.

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Yakumo physically assaulted Eri while she was in the middle of breaking down to apologize. That does make it kind of difficult.

Whether or not Eri would have apologize was not for sure. The way things were going, Eri WAS NOT apologizing, she was ACCEPTING an apology, which are completely different things, and she should have been apologizing, not accepting.

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Usually, most people decide to tell the other person that they are uncomfortable, before resorting to petty theft.

wow petty theft. That is amazingly harsh for such an unimportant event. Theft is stealing and keeping for your own and personal permanent use. Yakumo borrowed for 10 minutes and returned. this Hanai business is far too small when compared with what other characters do, so once again, it is best to just be left at that, unless you want to compare and say that this little event far outweighs what other characters do.

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It's not about whether any damage was done. Yakumo showed that while she dislikes Hanai and is perfectly willing to shun him most of the time, she is also willing to use her influence over him to deceive him when it is convenient for her. That says something about her character.

she does not dislike Hanai, she is just uncomfortable around him. How she influences him is his own failing, as he does not know when to stop. You speak often of knowing your own limits and your own problems, why would the same not apply to Hanai, who obviously has an unhealthy Yakumo obsession? Why does Yakumo alone have to be perfect and improve herself in every way when there are so many others just like her? Yes she should improve, but you have no right to expect it of her, and her alone.


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If Harima really did have a problem with it, he'd tell her - he's had no problems being very rude to her in the past. Even look at the end of the basketball arc - if he decides that he doesn't want to talk, he's very blunt about it. The fact remains that Harima wanted to spend time with Eri, and he enjoyed it, as he clearly tells her in Ch.198. If Harima decides that he finds his time with Eri more enjoyable than his time with Tenma, then there's nothing wrong with that.

This is once again from your point of view, making it seem like he was indeed have a delightful time with Eri every moment. Yes, there are moments of genuine enjoyment, but there are moments of genuine enjoyment whether or not you like a person. And seeing as how, as you said, he's had no problem telling her off in the past, what if he's just tired of doing so, and is just accepting it now? There are several possibilities to every one point of view.

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So you're in agreement that Harima wants to spend time with Eri, then?.

Yes, i am. As i am in agreement that he wants to spend time with Tenma, with Yakumo, with the other guys from his class, and so on. The connection should be obvious.

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She wanted Harima and Tenma to get together because she believed it would be 'best'. Yes, she did indeed love Harima at the time, and how come it seems like she wasn't sacrificing anything to set them up? Because she hides it so well trying to deny her own feeling so that others may be happy.

Where does it say this in the manga?

this is once again selective reading. It does indeed say those things, in fact, i believe it was kind of sepearted into two chapters. Someone who despises a certain character will naturally ignore the important points in that character's-heavy chapter. As i do not have the chapters anymore i cannot point out specifics. But i will tell you to look back to the part where Tenma first fills in for Harima, it is there that Yakumo says "it is for the best" or something along those lines. And also the part where Yakumo is crying to sara. Why would she cry about pent up emotions she never had? for them to be pent up, they had to be there in the first place.

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Ch.206 is just more denial in hopes of things will turn out right, though the evidence that she likes him is very much still there.

Where is this evidence? She smiles when she says that Harima isn't interested in her, because that way she can feel safe with the belief that Harima won't change his interest from Tenma to Eri.

The fact that she sees Harima in such a way during the doll chapter is evidence enough that she likes him. And her smile can be one of sad affection, else why not just say it outright with no emotion? What you just said is no evidence that she doesn't.

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And chapter 215, yes she realizes she's been acting unfairly, but that is just more self-loathing after realizing that she outright acted for her own benefit for the first time. Which i believe is unfair since she does not have many moments where what she does is solely for herself, save probably the cat scene. Everybody should be allowed to be selfish every once in a while.

Ch.215 says that Yakumo had a problem with Harima and Eri getting together, but Ch.206 makes it clear that she has no problems with Harima and Tenma getting together. At no point does she decide that she wants a relationship with Harima.

I believe you are responding to the wrong thing here. I am speaking about her acting for herself solely, you are speaking of her wanting to having a relationship with Eri. I did not say that she wants one, though i believe she does, i say that she is crying because she acted for herself. which is clear enough in that chapter as it is, else she wouldn't be 'crying for something she did for herself' if she did not 'do that something for herself'. What you are responding to here is the wrong thing.

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You're assuming that Harima likes Tenma, in that. I'm suggesting that he has already started to like Eri.

I am not assuming, i know, as seen by his reactions even in the latest chapters, his face brights up at Tenma's name, he is elated about the fact that Tenma would write the manga for him. If you have not seen his infatuation with her even in the latest chapters, then you are indeed way too fixated on Eri, and do not have the right to judge other characters that you so simply ignore and only notice when they do something bad and out of character.

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It's a picture of Eri and Tenma. But of course, you'd have to wonder why the author would have bothered to draw Eri in, if he wasn't trying to imply something behind that.

no, i believe he was not implying anything, because a recent picture of Tenma alone would be too strange. Remember, you say that Harima is 'starting' to like Eri, right? Then that would not be a valid connection as that scene was far too early in the series, compared to when he did 'start to like her'.

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I'm talking about the way that Yakumo told Harima about Eri's feelings. It may have been done with good intentions, but it was still inappropriate.

Inappropriate is also making Harima believe his manga was torn up, inappropriate is also spurning Tenma without talking to her. Yes it was inappropriate, but will you condemn her and her alone? Remember, if Harima never believed Eri to have ripped his manga in the first place, Yakumo would probably never have gotten the chance to tell Harima that Eri liked him properly. So stop condemning and accusing about inappropriateness only when it suits you, since it is everywhere in this manga. If you want to accuse, bring in everyone else too so it can be compared.

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It's never too late to change, unless it's the end of the school year, you've already thrown your support behind the main heroine, and the main plot point is about to resolve itself.

Like i said, its a manga, for all we know they could try to milk more out of it and have another incident making Karasuma stay back another year. And just because the end is near, doesn't mean a lot of things can't happen in between.

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It is also the slapping of a sempai and thus an elder, which is considered to be a very inappropriate thing in Japan. It's a pretty serious stain on her character.

what is even more inapproriate is standing by and watching shame be brought down on your family by a non-relative, i don't know about you, but my culture is very close to japanese culture, so i do know what's more shameful. I would rather my family be protected from shame by staining my own character, then letting family members fall to shame AS WELL as stain my own character for having not done anything.

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The key difference between the two is that when Eri decides to protect someone whom she loves, she defends them by changing the other person's point of view, as she does in Ch.154 when she feels that Tenma wrongfully accuses Harima of being a monkey. Assaulting someone doesn't change their ideas, so it isn't a form of defense.

As much as some would like to believe, and as heinous as it sounds even to my own ears, force does indeed change another person's ideas. If such a thing were not true, there would be no such things as wars. I didn't say it was smart, but i am saying it works and is legitimate.

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You're generalizing. The point was to demonstrate how Eri thinks about others before herself, not whether such a quality was commonly demonstrated by people in general. Besides, my example already contains a situation with Mikoto, which you curiously neglected to mention.

Yes she does think about others, and that's the point, everyone thinks about someone else at one point or another. But the end result was something for her benefit. And my 'curiously neglected' mention of Mikoto was not neglected, i found it not even worth the time to mention as it can be so ambiguos. Eri could have simply just not wanted otehr people interfering, since she want to decide things on herself. Telling them would worry them, yes, but it would also cause them to meddle, and meddling is not exactly appreciated all the time. Do not accuse me of selective arguements. I neglected to mention Mikoto because i believe that such a thought as explained before was only natural, and i found it to not be a valid point.

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That still doesn't change the intention, regardless. She only acted because Harima brought her there telling that he wanted to break up the Omiai.

Yes the intention was there but the sacrifice was not. You could 'intend' to donate to charity all you want, but if you do not do it, then your 'intentions' mean nothing, right? Intending is easy, as anybody can do it and call themself a good person, actually having done it and given up the sacrifice makes that intention true.

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No i would most definitely not, but i would begrudge unjustified information being given.

I hope by that you don't mean that you intend to censor what information people do get to receive.

No, if i were to censor i would ask for deletion of your posts. Instead, i am here arguing in hopes of clearing up unfair accusations.

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You still haven't shown me how Eri has intervened in any way.

How is telling everyone about their relationship not an intervention? In any normal world, such a thing could lead to objection by the sister, peer pressure from friends, all of which could lead to break-up if they were going out. Luckily Tenma was not like that, and Yakumo being the shy type, her friends don't quite pressure her for information either.

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That is true, and that is why there should be no more "Yakumo does not deserve anyone" type discussions, for it is unfair and unjust to think so.

Reread what I wrote. So far, Yakumo has acted reprehensibly, and she has admitted to acting in this manner. Until she does something to repair the damage which she has caused, there is nothing else that we have to judge her in a more positive light. So at present, she does not deserve anybody. Perhaps that will change if she shows more maturity in the future.

You should reread what i wrote. I am argueing for the fact that her present self is being misunderstood, and that even her present self does not deserve such harsh comments.

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Yes she did know that the script was totaled, or at least something of the sort, else she wouldn't have been out there to try and convince Harima not to give up on his dreams, saying that Tenma was working on a backup script(why work on a backup script if you don't know that the original was not totaled or the like?). And Harima explicitly said "why did she tear up my manga", to which Yakumo responded (and yes this is indeed under the assumption that 'she' was Eri) "It's because sawachika-senpai is in love with you". A response to counter what he was saying "And i thought she was a good person too...", trying to convince him that she was indeed a good person, just a bit misguided.

Actually, that response from Harima is what triggers her monologue, where Yakumo realizes that Eri is a good person, and that Eri and Harima are best suited for each other.

Which then leads Yakumo to telling Harima that Eri liked him, in an attempt to prove to Harima what Yakumo also believes. The "why did she tear up my manga" triggered the monologue, which triggered "because Sawachika-senpai is in love with you.", which is still the same as what i've been saying.

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But if he always rants about Tenma, then why was there no rant here? You can't just assume that he was thinking about keeping his relationship pure just because he always thinks about Tenma - if anything, the absence is even more conspicuous. Also, it's not just about Harima worrying that Eri will get sick - he had the same thought when he dropped her off at her house - but the intensity with which he said it. He was angry at the thought of her falling sick.

... I find this pretty obvious but, how will Harima rant about Tenma staying out all night if he wasn't there to witness it, nor did he hear about it, since what happened between the three of them were private? And pure relationships aside, who in their right mind would go into a love hotel just like that with no second doubts? Only sleazeballs and the such would do things like that, and we know Harima is an innately good samaratin. Which leads to when he 'intensely' said that he would drop Eri off at her house. If im not mistaken, Eri-chan responds to that through a monologue thinking the exact same thing you did. Which means that it was seen from Eri's point of view, and she herself was also trying to find as many hints as possible that Harima liked her, this does not justify saying for a solid fact that he walked her home explicitly because he liked her. Harima's personality is such that it can be easily mistaken for something else enough times as it is.

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The point that I've been trying to make is that had Yakumo run into the odd problem here and there earlier on for her mistakes, she'd be in a much stronger position than the one she currently is in.

That still does not justify such harsh comments and assumptions. The only reason im truly responding is to say that Yakumo is not as terrible as you say and as you're trying to get everyone to believe. Sure if she ran into an odd problem here or there earlier on, it might have been a better experience for her, but how is that her fault in character? Is it not the mangaka's for lack of such interventions? I believe you are still being too harsh on Yakumo and Yakumo solely as it seems.

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I'm not suggesting that Yakumo should never be with someone. I'm simply saying that as she currently is, she isn't in a position where she should be entering into a relationship. I'd say the same thing about Eri when the manga first started, about a year ago, but she's grown so much over the past year that she's more than ready. Yakumo needs to work out some of her personal problems first, and then she'll be in a much better position to handle a relationship later on. One of the things that she needs to work on is her generalized fear of guys whose thoughts she can read; after all, if she's going to be in a relationship with a guy who loves her, she's going to be able to read his mind, whether she wants to or not. The other thing that she can work on is her anger regarding Tenma - which she can do if she stops trying to play the older sister all the time and is more direct to Tenma about her issues regarding her.

Yes, she probably should not be entering a relationship yet, but you said she does not 'deserve' to have anyone. Those are two different things. Deserving and being not ready are very different, one implying a larger criticism on justness of character then the other. And her being the older sister is not because she simply wants to (though she might, who knows?), but because of her maturity when compared to Tenma puts her in that position.

If you want to make the point that Yakumo shouldn't be entering a relationship so early simply because she's not ready, then your comments should have been more clear instead of so ambiguously insulting. lol, ambiguous comments often lead to misunderstanding and unintended offense smile (though i know that i probably have enough of those too heheh).

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We don't actually know what Kido's relationship is with that college guy that she's been seen with (for all we know, he could just be a recruiter, since she was in line for a track scholarship), and we don't know if Kido really kissed those guys - since it takes place hidden from view.

A kiss is a kiss, true that it was hidden, but if it was such an unimportant one, then she wouldn't have said something that could be taken so seriously as "i would just kiss any guy", which would imply that it was some kiss indeed, lol.

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I strongly disagree here. The most powerful romantic moments in the manga still come from Eri and Harima - some highlights including the scene during the Kyoto arc where Eri tends to Harima's wounds after he is beaten up by Max, the dance that they have together during the sports festival, and the night that the two spend in the temple together. These scenes may not be completely devoid of humor, but they certainly have an intensity none of the other pairings in the series has been shown to be capable of achieving.

Powerful or not all comes from preference. I liked their romantic moments too, but the often-times "misunderstanding" after that tends to take away from the moment.

Then again, School Rumble wouldn't be School Rumble without everyone in it, all characters add their own little spice to the series. (some spices are bitter though xD)









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Sawachika GOGOGOGO!!! biggrinbiggrinbiggrin!!!
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need... more... Yakumo fans.... xD

As of current, Eri x Harima pairing is beating Yakumo x Harima pairing by 13 votes eek

I'm surprised the votes are still coming in though actually.

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lol Yakumo has taken a hit from the lastest part of the manga arc.

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i hate to say this but i think harima gotta win the love of his life roll eyes

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what is the ending., anyone be nice and tell me?? cause its license and im in poverty shy help??

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Sawachika & Harima ALL THE WAY!!!!
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Yakumo and Harima

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eek WHERE ARE ALL THE YAKUMO FANS!? confused I haven't seen this topic in a while and the eri votes suddenly skyrockets!!!!

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what is the ending., anyone be nice and tell me?? cause its license and im in poverty shy help??

it hasn't ended yet and no clear sign of ending anytime soon

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eek WHERE ARE ALL THE YAKUMO FANS!? confused I haven't seen this topic in a while and the eri votes suddenly skyrockets!!!!



i agree.... *cries*


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Even though Eri and Harima had a few moments in the first 2 seasons I never thought there was a chance of them getting together cause they were polar opposites. Then I read the manga and saw that they were a little closer than I expected. It was fun while their little relationship lasted but I expected them to drive each other away anyways. She was too proud to tell him anything so it was inevitable that they separate. I believe Yakumo cares about him more than anyone else and will end up with him in the end.

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Well, I'll give Yakumo & Harima another vote I guess. I actually kind of prefer Eri now but I didn't used to. I liked Yakumo best earlier on but Eri has gotten so much attention in the story it's kind of hard to even compare the two characters now. I'm hoping for a lot of character development for Yakumo in the coming chapters.

Poor Tenma though, hardly any votes for her. sad She's supposed to be the star, but the story as a whole has been much more about Harima I think.

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vote fot yakumo & harima, where r the other voter for yakumo-harima mad
we are down by 12 mad

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