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Which DoTA character is the best among the rest?
Admiral - Daelin Proudmoore
Alchemist - Razzil Darkbrew
Anti-Mage - Magina
Beastmaster - Rexxar
Bristleback - Rigwarl
Bounty Hunter - Gondar
Centaur Warchief - Bradwarden
Clockwerk Goblin - Rattletrap
Crystal Maiden - Rylai Crestfall
Dragon Knight - Knight Davion
Drow Ranger - Traxex
Dwarven Sniper - Kardel Sharpeye
Earthshaker - Raigor Stonehoof
Enchantress - Aiushtha
Enigma - Darchrow
Faerie Dragon - Puck
Goblin Techies - Squee Spleen and Spoon
Holy Knight - Chen
Juggernaut - Yurnero
Keeper of the Light - Ezalor
Lone Druid - Syllabear
Lord of Olympia - Zeus
Moon Rider - Luna Moonfang
Morphling - Morphling
Naga Siren - Slithice
Ogre Magi - Aggron Stonebreaker
Omniknight - Purist Thunderwrath
Pandaren Brewmaster - Mangix
Phantom Lancer - Azwraith
Priestess of the Moon - Mirana Nightshade
Prophet - Furion
Rogue Knight - Sven
Sacred Warrior - Huskar
Shadow Shaman - Rhasta
Silencer - Nortrom
Slayer - Lina Inverse
Stealth Assassin - Rikimaru
Stone Giant - Tiny
Storm Spirit - Raijin Thunderkeg
Templar Assassin - Lanaya
Tinker - Boush
Treant Protector - Rooftrellen
Troll Warlord - Jah'rakal
Twin Head Dragon - Jakiro
Ursa Warrior - Ulfsaar
Vengeful Spirit - Shendelzare Silkwood
Windrunner - Alleria
Witch Doctor - Vol'Jin
Warlock - Demnok Lannik
Venomancer - Lesale Deathbringer
Undying - Dirge
Tormented Soul - Leshrac the Malicious
Tidehunter - Leviathan
Spiritbreaker - Barathrum
Spectre - Mercurial
Soul Keeper - Terrorblade
Slithereen Guard - Slardar
Skeleton King - King Leoric
Shadow Priest - Dazzle
Shadow Fiend - Nevermore
Sand King - Crixalis
Queen of Pain - Akasha
Pit Lord - Azgalor
Phantom Assassin - Mortred
Obsidian Destroyer - Harbinger
Oblivion - Pugna
Night Stalker - Balanar
Netherdrake - Viper
Nerubian Weaver - Anub'seran
Nerubian Assassin - Anub'arak
Necrolyte - Rotund'jere
Necro'lic - Visage
Magnataur - Magnus
Lycanthrope - Banehallow
Lord of Avernus - Abaddon
Lightning Revenant - Razor
Lifestealer - N'aix
Lich - Kel'Thuzad
Invoker - Kael
Gorgon - Medusa
Geomancer - Meepo
Faceless Void - Darkterror
Doom Bringer - Lucifer
Demon Witch - Lion
Death Prophet – Krobelus
Dark Seer - Ish'kafel
Chaos Knight - Nessaj
Butcher - Pudge
Broodmother - Black Arachnia
Bone Fletcher - Clinkz
Bloodseeker - Strygwyr
Bane Elemental - Atropos
Axe - Mogul Kahn
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Post #279759
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8:23 pm, Apr 23 2009
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hmm.. it depends... cause when i played with a friend before, he was using techies, its om, yet i lost the game.. well that's because that i bought the wrong item, whoch was the turning point. but still, it depends if you know how to handle techies.

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8:29 pm, Apr 23 2009
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tough one, each one decides on the situation, but there are imba heroes out there.

Lycan's ult is imba as hell
Phantom Lancer is a hero that can easily go 20 kills without a death
Drow gets insane damage if you simply get lothars
and juggernaught is one of the biggest WTF is going on late gamers. Crit every 2-3 hits? natural aspd fast as hell? good dmg? i've seen juggernaughts go battlefury and basher and mob entire teams, basher alone is annoying 1v1 and battlefury makes him farm way too fast

Post #279774 - Reply to (#279724) by amishmies
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Mamsmilk is calling other people noobs, but he plays TB, lol ... TB is crazy early game, he can stand in one lane until lvl 10 without heal, if you know how to play. Ulti is really nice too for saving and killing ppl Best hero in game is slardar (SG) if it's 1on1, especially if they made trolls bash worse. Haven't played in a while though so i don't know what they changed with troll. other really good heroes include abaddon for saving ppl and back up, chaos knight really good, u die a few times but kills lots and help other kill lots, magina of c if vs a lot of int and agil, invoker, if you know how to use the spells, dk farms like s**t, omniknight, do you need to say more?... it's really hard to say whose the best hero, many heroes with area ultis can be good if used well, (rooftrellen+Crystal m, for example). oh and never forget which ever team has rhasta always wins, except if the other team can kill him 5 times within the first 20 minutes and he gets no kills.

oh, yeah, on the subject of whats the best mode, it doesn't matter, its always the same for everybody, best players still win 99% of the time. AR can be a bitch though, and Ap can be a bitch if anybody picks goblin techies (only hero that should be entirely removed from game, never seen anybody be very useful with techies in an actual game, which does not include public games).

What the hell? TB has shit str and is no good in early game.
It is 100% late game. You prolly buy 2 vanguards for your Axe.
TB needs a lot of jungling, which in return makes the game
4v5 for a long 30 minutes or so. Staying in one lane until level
10 does not help at all, since it's all about stats, items and
clones. You need to fight feeding retards to stay there for that
long. Who wouldn't try to gang something that has barely
got 600 hp and no escape mechanism whatsoever?

Techies is good if you can play it. No SD start, all mines.
The mines are neat when blowing towers, and Techies is one of
the few heroes able to get a triple kill out of 3 full hp
heroes. Instead of just getting fed and then smashing
everything, you need some brain to lure people into
the traps.

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Roof Trellen or ES.

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well, for rooftrellen, he has such a big armor, which can dominate a lane in an early game... still depends on your item afterwards...

but still axe is also good ryt? especially with one battlefury and two vanguard?

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Quote from genre001
well, for rooftrellen, he has such a big armor, which can dominate a lane in an early game... still depends on your item afterwards...

but still axe is also good ryt? especially with one battlefury and two vanguard?

Roof is awesome with a refresher.
10 seconds of sitting is pretty annoying for the
enemy, but your team gets to laugh and do some nasty stuff
in that time.

2 Vanguards is completely useless.
It wastes too much cash and they don't stack
block-wise. Just going HoT instead of even starting
the second is better, especially 'cause Counter Helix
is an easy way to get cash out of lane creeps.
Besides, buying stuff that doesn't increase your str isn't
too useful, since your attack sucks if you just buy boosters
and rings.
Otherwise Axe is pretty crap. A good early game and if
you get fed, you might just push to the last tower in less
than 20 minutes, but
Culling Blade is shit in the endgame and Counter Helix doesn't
really damage that much, especially when fighting againts
disablers and stunners. That's when Axe is nothing but a
sandbag to protect the weak.

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I always use techies with mines, never suicide, unless i'd get killed, and gotten results in public games, but private games or clanwars other players don't fall for stupid tricks. Of course tricks and luring works sometimes but in general techies are useless in real games and really annoying. They ruin fun games. And of course Tb is late game hero but the point is that you can make up for the few hp that he has by lvling up at the lane, you don't have to take clone at the beginning since it won't be of any use until lvl 15+.

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Well, seems like Priestess of the Moon, Earthshaker, Slithereen Guard and Lycanthrope are among the populars... but well see 'bout that after a day if they'll still be the leading ones.... lolz...

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Quote from amishmies
I always use techies with mines, never suicide, unless i'd get killed, and gotten results in public games, but private games or clanwars other players don't fall for stupid tricks. Of course tricks and luring works sometimes but in general techies are useless in real games and really annoying. They ruin fun games. And of course Tb is late game hero but the point is that you can make up for the few hp that he has by lvling up at the lane, you don't have to take clone at the beginning since it won't be of any use until lvl 15+.

You MUSTN'T take clones in the beginning. The ideal
build would be taking 1 level of Metamorphosis (since more
gives just hp) and then taking 2 levels of Soul Steal if you
are bad at avoiding contact. (Not more than 2 levels, since
it really doesn't matter how fast you get the hp. It wasn't
made for close range combat anyway.) Then just stats, stats and more
stats and ulti when you can. Clones come after you've gotten
Sunder lvl 2, when you start jungling for cash to get Skadi.
(Skadi > Manta when you are a ranged carry).

Alas, Techies can be a nasty opponent when they have
Guinsoo and other stuff and then they stun you for a nifty
4 seconds and plant crap under your feet. Then they can use
some Eul's to prevent your movement even further.
Techies can be good, but the problem is that people
tend to be crap players when it comes to int heroes like
Techies.

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Mamsmilk, vanguard do stack for axe but its diminishingly stacked. My friend did a calculation. With 2 vanguard you have a 88% chance of not taking any creep damage with its good regen, creeps pretty much do nothing to you.

For axe, I think bfury is dumb. First of all you have no attack speed and even with a bfury, you don't do enough damage by attack. also Axe is a tanking hero and should only be doing damage through spins(not attacking) and ult(for killing blow). Cleaving creeps seems counter productive since you don't want creeps to die, you want them to hit you can get off as many spins as possible to do damage to the heros. My build for axe is usually 2 vanguard into BoT(or phase boots) into HoT. If there are a lot of nukers, I tank to go 1 vanguard+1 hood of defience into bot/phase boots into heart. Hood raises you effective HP against nukers.

Best hero by far in my opinion goes from: this

1. earthshaker(so many stuns its not even funny)
2. engima(broken ult, easy creep deny using his creep split skill)
3. tidehunter, his ult enough said
4. Warlock- heal for lane control and broken ult(last 2 spell suck balls)
5. rhasta- 2 disables with good ult for pushing/killing
6 lion- 2 disable with ult for killing
7. Lina, aoe stun, aoe nuke, and huge bust damage.
8. Puck, aoe gank spell, aoe silence, good escape mechanism, aoe nuke(sorta)
9. Zeus, best nuker in game but yea you need good teammates.
10. DK(best tank, good regen, high armour, great stun, aoe nuke, good lvl 3 ult(yes only at lvl 3))
11. Akasha, slow spell, aoe nuke, aoe ult(only really useful at lvl 2), and blink!!?!?!
12. lich, good lane control, good armour, inifinite mana, decent ult(you should never get hit by this twice unless you are playing dumb)


I personally never play AGI heros and probably only DK as my strength hero(I can play every hero just most of them suck so much). They are so useless. I dunno why pubbies like char like motred, troll, slardar, luna, BH(god this hero suck so much buy wards and he can't do anything) and somehow most pubbies think these are broken heros. These chars have no lane control. If I lane against these heros. I can usually get about 3-4 creep denies every creep wave(especially against luna, I was able to deny every melee creep for the first 3 creep wave since that char got no base damage).

ES is strongest and my favorite hero by far.


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Techies is or better ...used to be - since i quited dota at 6.59b or something - my fav hero. I used to play 95% pub games, and if i was lucky i could find teams but seldom did CW. The mood there isn't anymore for fun, it's about victory, meaning we sacrifice the fun for results and that's not my style.
Still on tech it was about 1 out of 50 games that i'd lost a game (1v1,2v2..5v5).
As for item build : Guinsoo for starter, BOT, monkey,stygian OR skadi... well mostly damage oriented play than anything else...EXCEPT if i was needed to carry an eyl's. Damage +200 and disable with guinsoo + stasis traps...but still can't say im the best hero...cause techies need good support from his teammates to get levels AND time to prepare the ground.

Techies is good...but can't own a game solo....Slardar,TB,Faceless Void,Troll, are some great soloing heroes that can win a game by themselves.

EDIT: We are talking always about the ideal game that the word noob doesn't exist, and players are of the same level!

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Mamsmilk, vanguard do stack for axe but its diminishingly stacked. My friend did a calculation. With 2 vanguard you have a 88% chance of not taking any creep damage with its good regen, creeps pretty much do nothing to you.

Doesn't change the fact that 4K+ cash for a lousy damage protection in intake
is a waste. It's not like the creeps are the obstacle for Axe.
Just play Tide if you want to stomp on creeps.

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EDIT: We are talking always about the ideal game that the word noob doesn't exist, and players are of the same level!

To reach that utopia, you'd need to get rid of those leavers
and feeders for starters. =_=

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I personally never play AGI heros and probably only DK as my strength hero(I can play every hero just most of them suck so much). They are so useless. I dunno why pubbies like char like motred, troll, slardar, luna, BH(god this hero suck so much buy wards and he can't do anything) and somehow most pubbies think these are broken heros. These chars have no lane control. If I lane against these heros. I can usually get about 3-4 creep denies every creep wave(especially against luna, I was able to deny every melee creep for the first 3 creep wave since that char got no base damage).


Well for starters, most AGI type heroes are the heroes at late games. Like mortred and traxex. players like to see their opponents getting owned by them in terms of damage and killing. You know public, since they don't know each other, they like to YOU to know them through their number of kills, so team play is out of the question laugh...

My hero would be Mortred. In privates, i have more reason to use her because i know i can count on my team to slow down the enemy until i get the items i need eyes

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Quote from amishmies
I always use techies with mines, never suicide, unless i'd get killed, and gotten results in public games, but private games or clanwars other players don't fall for stupid tricks. Of course tricks and luring works sometimes but in general techies are useless in real games and really annoying. They ruin fun games

Nah, IMO playing Techies can get tons of fun,not for our opponents anyway.His team play is very good, possibly the best farmer & "Can change the heat of battle with one stasis mine".

Suicide is an amazing skill for first blood double kill, help your teammates leveling, save allies and get the other team cursing and whining.Of course, it's stupid to run into a crowd of people when you have full hit points just for a suicide, better do it when prompted,other allies are around.Other skills, an awesome disable and 2 types of mines that can be a big use tactic-wise. Typical Techies players spend most of the time running up and down lanes laying mines,and even waste 10 min to planting mines in the jungle, waiting for some fools to fall in traps, i think it's not a good way to play, cause exp is important.It's best to plant mines patiently(as it's essential to survive ) in your lane,weave in and out but never go too far from your lane early, so you can regroup with your creeps anytime.For late game,i often use remote mines and land mines as nukes, place them actively every corner,lol barge into enemy's barrack, laying landmines and freak them out.

Item: Guinsoo Scythe if everything goes smoothly, necronomicon3 if i'm against tough opponents, help alot in pushing, BoT ,Euls is way better than Arcane ring.


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the point with techies is that it ruins the fun for both teams, and he just plainly sucks, he is only fun for the one who plays him. Although I have to agree with Quickben1, techies are fun when u make him into a real killing machine not just support like guinsoo euls and s**t (but make guinsoo it's best item for techies), but more than once he just ruins the fun in the game for both teams, especially the team without the techies

and mamsmilk that wa ssort of my point, TB makes up for bad hp my life leech and then just stats until lvl 11-15 depending on how you like it. and if ur smart u don't get killed and then don't need to go heal until lvl 10--12, thus u get the advantage in lvls over most players in game. And it's niot as easy to gang some1 if you know how to look on the minimap and communicate with teammates+ always good to be careful, when going far from tower.

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