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Post #765212
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3:34 am, Nov 10 2018
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Hello everyone!

Now, I'm gonna preface this with the fact that I know most people here won't care at all for this thread, however, I wasn't entirely sure how else to get attention for this. You see, when I joined this website I mainly did so to add information to, and clarify things on pages for manga by Akatsuka Fujio. Through this I noticed certain manga had updates listed from the scanlator "Kamimatsu translations" (of which my name is a play on actually). There is a large issue with this if you care for accurate/reliable translations, as Kamimatsu's translations were notoriously horrendous, in that not only were they barely even translations, but character names were sometimes changed, and often, they'd also remove panels or even pages. This is particularly noticeable with their translations of Osomatsu-kun chapters, in which there's entire pages with zero lines of dialogue correctly translated. I get that this isn't a very pressing issue, however, with these being the only English versions of these chapters, many manga sites mistakenly host their work. Likewise, I'd like to request the updates related to this group be removed if possible, as to not cause any confusion, in the event it may cause confusion.

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Sadly, I don't think much is going to happen aside from just making people aware to avoid their work. I made a similar thread a month ago.

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Post #765215 - Reply to (#765214) by Transdude1996
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Fair enough. Now also I'm not claiming my translations are in the top echelon of quality or anything, if at all they're kinda lackluster, but, I still think it's important to note that there's a difference between being mediocre, but putting up an effort, and just flat out not even trying to match the original script.

It's a shame that those chapters will probably stay up most places too.

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Post #765216 - Reply to (#765215) by AkumatsuT
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Well, that alone sets you apart from numerous other groups, in that you're willing to learn and have a passion to do so. That you know that there's still improvement to be made, and your working towards that.

Also, I have seen numerous people stating that the increased awareness of botched translations have very much motivated them to actually begin learning the language.

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Hey, if you're accusing them of bonafide troll releases or rewrites then pm lambchopsil and make your case to them, it wouldn't be the first time reported releases were removed from the site.

If you're just complaining about a mediocre scanlation group......one that's not only dead but only shows having made six total releases.........well yeah, that's just fan scanlations for you, some are better than others.

But I wouldn't let it bother you, I see releases every day that I literally can't even bear to look at 😀

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I'm not removing these. It's a legitimate attempt at a scanlation, even if it does suck. We only remove fake releases or troll releases (like purposefully mistranslating things to make it funny)

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Post #765227 - Reply to (#765220) by lambchopsil
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Quote from svines85
Hey, if you're accusing them of bonafide troll releases or rewrites then pm lambchopsil and make your case to them, it wouldn't be the first time reported releases were removed from the site.

If you're just complaining about a mediocre scanlation group......one that's not only dead ...


I mean, that's the issue, nobody can really confirm if they're troll releases or not. I do have some evidence as to the type of mistakes they make, and knowing the state of the Osomatsu fanbase around the time of release, it wouldn't surprise me if they were, but at the same time they're just mundane enough to where they COULD just be very poor attempts.

I'll give you an example of what I'm getting at. In their translation of a volume 4 chapter of osomatsu-kun, numerous times character names are mentioned when not in the original, to a rather ridiculous extent. Now to the normal viewer this wouldn't matter to much, and understandably so. However, around this time the Osomatsu series got a reboot that pulled in a lot of new fans, and was different from the original in that each of the six main brothers/characters, who were once identical, now have distinct personalities. As such there was this sort of backwards, and weird need with some people to retroactively make the old series fit this, despite it just not being the case. That all being said, with how little anyone has spoken to Kamimatsu, if at all, nobody knows if these changes were made as a play on this backwards way of thinking, or if they were genuinely feeding into it.

Things like this, coupled with the fact that they're the only ones to have translated the chapters they did, is why I find it somewhat concerning when sites host their stuff.

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I'm not removing these. It's a legitimate attempt at a scanlation, even if it does suck. We only remove fake releases or troll releases (like purposefully mistranslating things to make it funny)


Understandable. Thank you for reviewing this at least. I didn't mean to come off as too outraged or as if this were a pressing issue anyway, was just somewhat concerned.


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Post #765232 - Reply to (#765227) by AkumatsuT
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Quote from svines85
Hey, if you're accusing them of bonafide troll releases or rewrites then pm lambchopsil and make your case to them, it wouldn't be the first time reported releases were removed from the site.


I mean, that's the issue, nobody can really confirm if they're troll releases or not.



Just so I say it, I really wasn't meaning to come on too strong on you there or anything, I was being entirely serious about the issue.

But yeah, if you're not a proficient translator you'd need one to look at it, that's how it's confirmed to be troll or rewrite, not just whether the final product, you know, sucks 😀

Post #765234 - Reply to (#765232) by svines85
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Well, yeah no I get that, my issue was I have indeed looked at their work compared to the original, and while I'm not THE BEST at Japanese it clearly is a rewrite, it's just, due to the situation being kinda weird, I couldn't safely confirm if it were a troll. If this translation just sucked ass it'd be a different story but these just aren't actual translations.

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Fair enough.

If lambchopsil feels like it's a legitimate effort though, yeah, the end. "Legitimate effort" is kinda the litmus test on this kind of thing..........like I said, some are just better than others, and often some of the worse ones are really, you know, shitty on any number of fronts >_<

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If it's a rewrite, I don't think it should be considered a scanlation, and thus should be removed from here. But who and how makes a determination on whether something is a rewrite?

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Post #765257 - Reply to (#765246) by cmertb
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If it's a rewrite, I don't think it should be considered a scanlation, and thus should be removed from here. But who and how makes a determination on whether something is a rewrite?



Well, just taking a cursory look at the original text compared to the "translation", there are numerous differences. Character names are changed, dialogue is completely changed in some places, and whole panels/pages are downright removed. I do have image proof for this of course.

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However I'm not entirely sure how to post it here, I'm still relatively new here


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Post #765258 - Reply to (#765257) by AkumatsuT
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Easy version is to grab the image and upload it to Imgur, change the resolution to have a width of 475 or lower, then (img)url.png(/img). Like so:
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@Transdude1996 What manga is that image from?

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