banner_jpg
Username/Email: Password:
Forums

New Poll - Stan Lee

Pages (2) [ 1 2 ] Next
You must be registered to post!
From User
Message Body
user avatar


9:06 am, Nov 24 2018
Posts: 9980


This week's poll was suggested by HikaruYami. I only listed the ones that Stan Lee is most famous for according to his Wikipedia article. Please note that Stan Lee did not create Captain America, which is why that's not an option in the poll.

You can submit poll ideas here
http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=3903

Previous Poll Results:
Question: Do you enjoy daylight and the great outdoors?
Choices:
Only when it's sunny - votes: 364 (9.8%)
I can see sunlight through the window... - votes: 638 (17.2%)
I probably should get out more - votes: 1307 (35.3%)
I love the outdoors! - votes: 485 (13.1%)
I live outside. I don't need a roof - votes: 23 (0.6%)
I'm a vampire. Get me out of here. - votes: 888 (24%)
There were 3705 total votes.
The poll ended: November 24th 2018

At least we have more humans than vampires. This also makes me wonder if there's more introverted (probable) or extroverted visitors. Poll idea for next time!

________________
A just ruler amongst tyrants
user avatar
Seinen is RIGHT
 Member

12:22 pm, Nov 24 2018
Posts: 2151


Daredevil followed by X-Men. BUT his original 60s versions aren't all that good and highly different from their still recognizable 70s reboots. Those and what followed is what i love. Spidey though came all figured out right out of the box, so I would list that as Lee´s best comic run.

Lee mostly stopped writing for Marvel after 1981 and only a handful off Silver Surfer (why is he missing as on option, Stan always loved him especially) or FF one-shots followed thereafter. I highly recomend to look up what Stan actually did. Stan Lee and the rise and fall of the American comic book and Marvel Comics: The Untold Story are good starts for that.
Not that i want to downplay his titanic legacy but mostly people really don´t know what he actually acomplished and only know his "Smilin Stan Lee" media persona. He even sued Marvel around the first Spidey movie. Ho boy...

Brian Michael Bendis lastly wrote an intertsing comic eulogy for Stan, which reveals his dire physical condition of the last decade or so: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/12/obituaries/my-moments- with-stan.html
Not beeing able to see or hear most of the MCU films must have been tough for him.

________________
I also read EU/US comics and am a librarian.
Manga-Masters, My ANN-Lists + Imdb
User Posted Image
user avatar
Lone Wanderer
Member

2:18 pm, Nov 24 2018
Posts: 2096


I haven't seen even half of these, tbh, but I pick X-Men. The Fantastic Four is okay as well (I especially like Susan and Johnny). No idea why Spider Man is so freaking popular, I find him mind-numbingly boring.

________________
User Posted Image
Member

3:04 pm, Nov 24 2018
Posts: 306


Every time Stan Lee has been directly involved in a Spider-Man project, I think it has been phenomenal. The sony movies with Tobey Maguire were dumb and bad, but the original comics, the latest MCU stuff, and the most recent video game, Peter Parker's essence as a nerd who wants to help people and loves diffusing tense situations with bad jokes really resonates.

So yeah, I'm commenting on my own poll idea ?

Post #765553 - Reply to (#765551) by HikaruYami
user avatar
Seinen is RIGHT
 Member

6:55 pm, Nov 24 2018
Posts: 2151


Stan hasn´t had anything to do with Spider-man for over 35 years outside of some association with the rubbish newspaper strip on the creative end. He got cameos and voice acting gigs in many of his media adaptations but that is the opposite of "direct" involvement.
Stan wasn´t even fit enough to have seen any of the recent stuff, due to being blind and all. All we know is that he loved the Raime/Maguire stuff. I wonder if he even saw Avengers 2012. I sure hope so but knowing that he was too blind and deaf to see the 2nd Cap film in 2014 suggests otherwise.

________________
I also read EU/US comics and am a librarian.
Manga-Masters, My ANN-Lists + Imdb
User Posted Image
user avatar
Seinen is RIGHT
 Member

7:30 pm, Nov 24 2018
Posts: 2151


Here are the further A-list Stan Lee creations that got standalone adaptations or longrunning comics: Black Widow, Captain Marvel (the original), Hawkeye, Nick Fury (Sr.), Man-Thing (he got more adaptation than Swamp Thing!), Sharon Carter, Silver Surfer and The Inhumans.

He also gave us half of the important Marvel villains, even Mephisto. Us Spider-man fans love him... Eternity (highly important in-universe) needs to be mentioned too. Stan further wrote for DC in his advanced age and lend his name to Stripperella, random manga/anime he wouldn´t be able to name and even a casting show. Yeah, his output since the 90s has been universally abysmal.
I will instead point out that he started with comics in 1941 with a fill-in issue for Captain America. He wrote for about 40 years, with few breaks, and is by far the most important comic creator who will EVER live. Eat your heart out Guinness World Record holder for most comics published by one author ISHINOMORI Shotaro.
Stan´s most important comic is The Fantastic Four. That 100+ issue run gave us the Marvel universe as we know and started when he was 39 in 1961. He peaked right before reaching middle age and about the time he wanted to finally retire from comics. How often does that happen?

He lastly got into comics as there were few job opportunities back in the day for jews. That´s how old Stan Lee was and it´s also why Batman, Superman and most Golden Age comic characters were created by Jewish writers. And now you know. Stan Lee only started to respect comics as a medium in his 40s, after 2 decades in the industry! That Zodd he stuck around for another 2.

Edit: Btw. Stan´s Black Panther is the first black superhero and he also co-created the first African-American superhero with Falcon. Falcon is also the first black hero without the word "black" in his code name. Meaning that Stan was pretty woke, even if his female characters were very much of their time.

Last edited by residentgrigo at 5:16 am, Nov 26

________________
I also read EU/US comics and am a librarian.
Manga-Masters, My ANN-Lists + Imdb
User Posted Image
Post #765567
Member

12:21 pm, Nov 25 2018
Posts: 123


The poll lacks the option "None". I dislike marvel entirely, I think that their movies are terrible. I can't say for their comics but the "quality" of the movie plots makes me think that I wouldn't like it.

Post #765571
user avatar
mmm...
 Member

4:25 pm, Nov 25 2018
Posts: 259


I'm not a huge western comic fans, but Spiderman was always my favourite mainly because I really like the old game back in PS1 generation mmm...

________________
I will change this world mmm...
So the world can change me mmm...
Member

7:33 pm, Nov 25 2018
Posts: 36


ok sorry to be this guy but for the record a lot of stan lee's "creations" were actually Jack Kirby's creations

user avatar
Member

4:39 am, Nov 26 2018
Posts: 15


Poll should have option for "None".

Post #765584 - Reply to (#765573) by islandsinthesky
user avatar
Seinen is RIGHT
 Member

4:43 am, Nov 26 2018
Posts: 2151


No, they 100% aren´t. The Marvel Method they employed/invented offers one of the most even writer-artists splits there can be. Kirby clearly had more to do with some of the characters, primarily the Silver Surfer, but the same can be said about Stan who further co-created some of his most successful creations with others. As Steve Ditko, namely Dr. Strange and obviously Spider-man. The one who sells the most merch of any comic character. Stan was also a line-wide editor for quite some time.

Kirby and Stan had a falling out in the 70s but Stan NEVER tried to underwrite the creative impact of his artists. Both also made up and everything. It´s the Image guys (all obviously artists) and Kirby die-hards who started the shitty rumor about Stan´s out of control ego in the early 90s. That period of slander thankfully went away fairly quickly.

Marvel the company did Kirby dirty for sure but how is that Stan´s fault? Editor´s don´t set company policies. Again. 99,9% of people still don´t know what the world´s most famous comic author actually did... Despite endless sources for it. Let´s go with this one, as it features many primary sources: https://comicbookhistorians.com/marvel-1960s-jack-kirby-s tan-lee-steve-ditko-who-created-what/
Regardless, most important legal battles over comic authorship have been settled by now. Kirby, Ditko and finally even Bill Finger (his dominant position in the creation and evolution of Batman is even provable) have all been recognized as co-creators by US law. Everyone involved is now dead but the generations to follow now finally know who gave us these icons.

Last edited by residentgrigo at 5:13 am, Nov 26

________________
I also read EU/US comics and am a librarian.
Manga-Masters, My ANN-Lists + Imdb
User Posted Image
Member

4:53 am, Nov 26 2018
Posts: 19


As residentgrigo has already alluded to, Stan Lee was the most important of a big group of Jewish comic writers to really start introducing kids to the squishier side of heroism and justice: civil rights and tolerance and heroes who doubted themselves for more than just one issue. For that reason I choose the X-Men, as they carried that torch for a long, long time.

user avatar
Member

4:57 am, Nov 26 2018
Posts: 450


Yup, Spiderman'll easily be the most iconic when all is said and done when it comes to Marvel.........well, for right now I guess, give it time and a lot of us old farts'll die off and that'll probably change >_<

And some of ya'll are making this into too big a deal, these are freaking comic books we're talking about, really shouldn't be taking this that seriously ?

Member

10:47 am, Nov 26 2018
Posts: 90


Spider Man was really special for it's era
not many young readers of the time would contemplate Gwen Stacy's murder ~1970's(too soon!)
it just not something that was done; but the readership was honored to be present with the MC as he struggles to come to terms with his life and the overwhelming loss
it showed that 'superheroes' could be more hero and less super(a normie) because they have families & associations that have no super powers and are vulnerable to textbook terrorism, leaving them forever conflicted on future crusading.

I voted for Xmen.
It has more freak normalization which I like; though it lacked the gravitas Spidey had.

N.B. Stan Lee had exited writing the storylines just before Gwen was killed off

Last edited by Sugarshark at 10:53 am, Nov 26

Post #765611
Member

6:33 pm, Nov 27 2018
Posts: 50


Don't know or care about any of those honestly.

Pages (2) [ 1 2 ] Next
You must be registered to post!