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Update: Congress just subpoenaed Jim to appear before them on September 5th at 9:30AM (For those unaware, the site will remain offline until after Jim's appearance). Meanwhile, Kiwi Shooter Tarrant just had a Russian named "Alan" post a letter on 4chan, and another shooting is being livestreamed on Facebook.

I thought taking down the "internet hate machine" was "suppose" to prevent all this.

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Thompson & Rogers Joint Statement After 8chan Deposition
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We want to thank Mr. Watkins for his cooperation today. He provided vast and helpful information to the Committee about the structure, operation, and policies of 8Chan and his other companies. We look forward to his continued cooperation with the Committee as he indicated his desire to do so during today’s deposition.


By the way, the site is still offline and shootings are still taking place.

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Obviously.
Violent video games still exist and continue to corrupt our children. The violence and death will never end until we can prevent all these immoral games by putting a tax on them. That'll teach them.

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Are you nuts, man, it's BOOKS that we should be burning. They're the ones that started it:
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A dangerous disease appeared to afflict the young, which some diagnosed as reading addiction and others as reading rage, reading fever, reading mania or reading lust. Throughout Europe reports circulated about the outbreak of what was described as an epidemic of reading. The behaviours associated with this supposedly insidious contagion were sensation-seeking and morally dissolute and promiscuous behaviour. Even acts of self-destruction were associated with this new craze for the reading of novels.

What some described as a craze was actually a rise in the 18th century of an ideal: the ‘love of reading’. The emergence of this new phenomenon was largely due to the growing popularity of a new literary genre: the novel. The emergence of commercial publishing in the 18th century and the growth of an ever-widening constituency of readers was not welcomed by everyone. Many cultural commentators were apprehensive about the impact of this new medium on individual behaviour and on society’s moral order.

With the growing popularity of novel reading, the age of the mass media had arrived. Novels such as Samuel Richardson’s Pamela, or Virtue Rewarded (1740) and Rousseau’s Julie, or the New Heloise (1761) became literary sensations that gripped the imagination of their European readers. What was described as ‘Pamela-fever’ indicated the powerful influence novels could exercise on the imagination of the reading public. Public deliberation on these ‘fevers’ focused on what was a potentially dangerous development, which was the forging of an intense and intimate interaction between the reader and literary characters. The consensus that emerged was that unrestrained exposure to fiction led readers to lose touch with reality and identify with the novel’s romantic characters to the point of adopting their behaviour. The passionate enthusiasm with which European youth responded to the publication of Johann Wolfgang von Goethe’s novel The Sorrows of Young Werther (1774) appeared to confirm this consensus.


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Dan Harmon´s (Community, Rick and Morty) Harmontown podcast had the Conflict Journalist Robert Evans on it to talk about 8Chan: https://podbay.fm/podcast/542228532/e/1565863200
This week had Dale Beran, who just wrote a book on 4 and 8 Chan:
https://podbay.fm/podcast/542228532/e/1566468000

Robert Evans had a price put on his head in an 8Chan forum, obviously in Bitcoins 🤣, for reporting on them before they became too hot for Cloudflare. He survived Syria but can he survive the internet? The 2nd podcast was even more enlightening, as I knew the history but not the business model of these boards. The Japanese non-picture 2channel is operating on profit. It still exists and was never in danger. So the premise of the thread is still wrong. The foreign exports struggle with being in the black due to allowing pictures.

The 2nd and current owner of 8Chan Jim Watkins is a US army vet who lives in the Philippines. He is being investigated by the police in the Philippines for distributing child pornography:
https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/8/20791519/8chan-investig ation-philippines-police-probe-jim-watkins

He was also summoned by the US Congress due to his site being linked to multiple mass killings, amongst other crimes. This is what he had to say:
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"[8Chan] has no intent of deleting constitutionally protected hate speech".

https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/5/20850791/8chan-hate-spe ech-delete-jim-watkins-infinitechan-el-paso-shooting-raci st-white-supremacist

8Chan was funded by a delusional millionäre pig farmer and had to operate outside of the US. It could have only be sustained by these truly miraculous circumstances. 8Chan just can´t come back in its current form or be reborn as 16 Chan, no matter how much Jim Watkins barks and already failed to do so last month. Let´s see if Jim Watkins will face prison time. Pedophiles thrive there, or so i heard...

The actual inventor of the site, the one who abandoned it and campaigned to have 8Chan shut down around the time the site started to promote racial and religious mass murder is a severely disabled young man who was a key player in GamerGate (GG was how 8Chan came about). Just go back to page 1. He supports eugenics. A disabled coding genius who wishes for the chemical sterilization of the disabled for the sake of "genetic purity". His words: http://greyenlightenment.com/fredrick-brennan-on-eugenics /

These are the heroes our OP dreams of. A psychotic and openly racist war vet (i myself was in the army) underground criminal investigation, who doesn't understand the US Constitution while fighting for his right to spread hate speech -his words- and a young man who thinks that Adolf Hitler made very fine points.

Why did I take 20 minutes out of my day to write this? Robert Evans´s talk impressed me, as he said that you need to write articles that no one will read for years on end before something can finally happen. Well, it did. He made it on the BBC and everything. In conclusion: "I'm doing my part. Are you? Join the Mobile Infantry and save the world. Service guarantees citizenship."

PS: Dear mods, why is our esteemed OP allowed to double post within the same week on page 1? Is he one of those animals that are more equal?

I still chuckled when I saw that he thinks that a privately owned internet forum is a medium. Or that banning books started in the 18th century or is applicable here. Or that 8chan was banned. He may be a comedian but the joke´s on him.

Edit: @theOP. Didn't Read, LOL. I won´t hand you traffic though a response, have one anyway:
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Robert Evans had a price put on his head in an 8Chan forum

No such thing exists. And, if it did, exist, where's the archive? I already provided a source to the essential "meta thread" of the site, so you should be able to pull it up if it did happen.

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He is now being investigated by the police in the police Philippine for distributing child pornography

Your own article says:
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Reuters reported earlier this week that police were investigating 8chan but offered no further details. According to a report in Wired, the Philippines’ National Bureau of Investigation already had an “ongoing” probe into the site and had been contacted by US law enforcement after the 8chan-linked March shooting in Christchurch, New Zealand.

And, according to that article in Wired:
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While Lorenzo says he believes the site is used to promote violence—and he is concerned about that problem—he says the bureau needs to focus on a specific violation of one of the Philippine’s laws to take action.

To do this, he says, the NBI’s investigation is targeting the alleged prevalence of child pornography on the site, which would violate the country’s Anti-Child Pornography Act. “Considering that the Philippines was tapped as the epicenter of child pornography materials, we are interested in this issue,” he says.

So, they're only interested in the claim because it's the country's biggest source of crime. Fair enough. However, they're not going to find anything because (1) 8chan was hosted in the U.S. (Which means the site could have been shut down long ago if any of this was true), (2) they're already had several investigations from federal agencies with reports ranging form the site being harmless to the reports being a complete embarrassment for law enforcement, and (3) you still not being able to provide a single source to (perhaps) one of the most archived and documented sites in the internet. And the "cheeze pizza that is posted" is the same type of cheeze pizza that could take THIS site (Baka-Updates) down.

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He has also summoned in front of the US Congress due to his site being linked to multiple mass killings, amongst other crimes. This is what he had to say:

Why didn't you just post the full thing?
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My company has no intention of deleting constitutionally protected hate speech. I feel the remedy for this type of speech is counter speech, and I'm certain that this is the view of the American justice system. This may be a contrary opinion to our friends in other countries. Those across the oceans may feel it necessary to stifle the voice of minority opinions. This is not what I intend to do. Our company has built and maintained a digital forum that is the place where opposing viewpoints and those of minorities such as the LGBTQ may express themselves free from the fear of their life. As some are persecuted with even the ultimate penalty in other countries. I am aware that my invitation here was because of some recent mass shootings. I assure you that neither myself, nor any of my staff, have participated in any of these atrocities. The recent letter, and serious nature of it resonate in my soul, and I feel deep despair and heartache for the families of the victims of these shootings. Most recently in Alabama, and Texas, and other victims worldwide.

My company and myself intend to fully comply with the removal of speech that does not pass the emergency test. Currently our website is offline. This is a shame, and something that I am not proud of, since it has censored and silenced the voices of those across our country. It has also censored those in other societies where our forum was the only outlet available to express themselves safely. The French democracy board is now silent. The board for Egypt and from some of our oppressed neighbors to the South are examples of this. I am ashamed that they lost their last bastion of free speech and will endeavor to right this wrong safely and effectively in the near future.


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The site was funded by a delusional millionäre pig farmer and had to operate outside of the US.

You do know that EVERY U.S. army veteran is a millionaire, right? Also, it's it's a little bit funny you're stating this when Fredrick Brennan, the source for all the "hot history" that's being published (Including the articles you posted), lives in the Philippines as well, Quezon City according to his Twatter profile.

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8Chan just can´t come back in its current form or be reborn as 16 Chan and already failed to do so last month.

I'm sorry, what?

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The actual inventor of the site, the one who abandoned it and campaigned to have 8Chan shut down around the time the site started to promote racial and religious mass murder, is a severely disabled young man who was a key player in the GamerGate "movent" -that how 8Chan came about- and supports eugenics. A man who dreams of chemical sterilization of the disabled and "genetic purity": http://greyenlightenment.com/fredrick-brennan-on-eugenics /

To anyone reading this, this claim is true...except the part about him fleeing the site when it "started to promote racial and religious mass murder", and H8chan coming about because of GamerGate. First Hotwheels had the complete power to remove crap whenever he wanted up to his fleeing in 2016, but never did. Second, the site existed for a good half-year before the events leading to GG happened.

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Why did I take 20 minutes out of my day to write this?

I've been wondering that as well because it seems like you feel a need to always respond to my even slightly-political posts in complete opposition (Often times, with the most outrageous comebacks because of how easily I'm able to back you into a corner). It's actually made me avoid you in other areas of this site because I don't want to be hounded for an argument 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

Is there a reason for why you're so angry or is just the fact that you don't have to censor yourself here?

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I just want to say thank you to Transdude1996 for putting himself out there to help dispel the deep misinformation that has been spread about 8chan. Too often you see the site's opposition touting media opinion pieces as "proof" that free speech should be abolished from the internet and also too often there is no one to stand up for the people who use it as a platform of uncensored public discourse.
Thank you for being so informed and taking the time to form an argument with many citations. I probably would have just resorted to name calling at this point.

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So, 8chan is coming back under the name of "8-kun" (With more than enough snake girls/traps being drawn as possible mascots). However, former administrator of the site, Hotwheels is leading his own moral crusade to prevent the site from going back online, is determined to attack anyone and everyone even partially related to 8chan/-kun and Jim Watkins, and has even created his own little cabal of "darknet" websites to ensure that 8-kun doesn't go live.

And, to answer the million dollar question of WHY he's doing this (After previously stating that he is "done" with 8chan):
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Hotwheels is a "born again Christian", and he unironically believes that taking down 8chan will save him from Hell by giving him "good karma".


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Here is what´s actually happening. The new site was teased exactly 2 weeks ago but nothing is concrete and no one knows if any of this is sustainable due to the former site´s legal troubles on 2 continents. Hups.

The new version is now also officially a libertarian website (note the rattlesnake) that is anti-democratic according to the new (?) admin´s very own twitter. The real villain was democracy all along! You can´t make this up and be more funny/pathetic.
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PS: Ayn Rand, the foremost libertarian and obviously objectivist of the 20th century, died broken and alone. That´s your future kidZ if you waste our time on shit like this. Just get this little indy-documentary on the topic called Bioshock.

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The new version is now also officially a libertarian website (note the rattlesnake)

You sure it has nothing to do with the old "Join, or Die" cartoon Ben Franklin made back in the mid-1700s?
https://infogalactic.com/info/Join,_or_Die
Which the site administration directly referenced?

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Just get this little indy-documentary on the topic called Bioshock.

Ken Levine, himself, stated that the Bioshock game series actually had more to do with Judaism than a butchered version of Ayn Rand's "Objectivism".

EDIT: Also, and this has been something that's been bothering me for most of the day, isn't the Bioshock games a FICTIONAL story? That's about an underwater city? An underwater city that fell apart because the scientists found magic sea slugs? Sea slugs that turned 6 year old girls into mana-producing sows? Where said mana that was produced allowed 1950's scientists to rewrite human genetic code (Even though we still haven't mapped the last 1% of the human genome for the past two decades despite all of our technology and insight) and allow people to do anything from using basic ESP to summoning bees out of your arm to even turning a fetus into a full grown man within a few years?
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Unless we're talking about "Infinite". In which case, that game is about a flying city that was built by the United States government during the late 1800's. Then the United States government somehow lost it. And was taken over by the most idiotic replacement for Christianity (Actually, that part is somewhat believable since the Mormons, Jehovah's Witness, and the Scofield Bible all started up around that time). Which then stumbled across alternate realities and time travel. Then stole EVERY single original idea from the underwater city previously mentioned. Followed THEN by being able to go COMPLETELY unnoticed by governments ACROSS THE GLOBE FOR SEVERAL DECADES. Only to THEN be able to cripple 1980'S NEW YORK CITY with MAGICAL 19TH CENTURY TECHNOLOGY. Only to then have the guy who started it all being killed by his daughter which cause him to be WIPED FROM EXISTENCE ACROSS THE ENTIRE TIME-SPACE CONTINUUM, EXCEPT NOT REALLY. Only to then have said daughter TURN THE PROTAGONIST OF THE FIRST "BIOSHOCK" into JESUS DALAI LAMA CHRIST.


Long story short, are you trying to use a piece of fictional media to build your basis for real world politics?

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And, 8chan is back online. You can lock the thread if you want.

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Well, that was fun and short lived.

To bring everyone up to speed (And possibly recap somethings I may have already mentioned), back in the Fall of last year, Ron (Codemonkey, the site programmer) and Mark (The /v/ BO, and occasional sperg trying to hide his own messes) started a "migration" processes to bring back boards from 8chan to 8kun. And, the goal of the process was to steadily bring the site back up to speed and getting things rocking and rolling again. However, this plan just about came to an end immediately before New Years. Ron announced that there would be no migration and boards would have to be recreated from scratch come the first of January. HOWEVER, that never happened either as "legacy boards" were still locked away, with some being migrated over around mid-January. Over the next couple months, things start becoming more an more uneasy. Some boards come back, others don't, and Ron (According to Mark) said that "it would just be a few weeks" while he's trying to get over a cold and code the DDoS prevention software: project Odin. Then the bomb was dropped.

Odin wasn't anything like it was advertised to be, and nothing but a huge waste of time. Followed immediately by Jim (8kun's site owner, and Ron's dad) called for Mark to "delete /v/". And, then topped off with the announcement that loli and shota dedicated boards would not be returning. Anons on the site started becoming infuriated about the entire matter because it was perceived that Jim had been trying to sanitize the site in order to appease the Q cultists who are all retiring age boomers. This all culminated into the event last night, where Mark made an open letter to the 8kun administration demanding answers and informing them that he is leaving if nothing comes about (With the backing of several other boards such as /m/ (Mecha) and /d/ (Dickgirls, Hentai/Alternative).

Mark was then fired and stripped of his position. In response, Mark dropped a PDF showing the chatlogs between him and Jim (Which shows that Jim was paying Mark to promote /newsplus/ because Jim wanted to get on the good side of journalists in order to make the site a profitable news blog ala The Drudge Report and was becoming furious with him because /newsplus/ was one of the smallest and least active boards on the site, which prompted the "Delete /v/" comment). A few hours later, Jim starts his livestream talking about how 8kun isn't a free speech platform, boasting about how "important" /newsplus/ is, stating that there are not any technical issues with the site and it's been running better than ever, and stating that porn will be deleted from the site. Almost on queue, Ron then shows up in the open letter thread and states the exact opposite. He tries to blame all of the site's problems, and why nothing has gotten accomplished, on Mark because it was "his responsibility" and he was slacking off on it. He also makes several posts saying that loli is allowed, one of which was made immediately after a post showing a clip of Jim saying that it isn't. And, where things now lay with the site is that Ron has three weeks to bring back the loli boards before the site's population writes it off and heads somewhere else.

And, as for Mark, what's going on with that is that he was trying to setup a bunker to fall back on. Two of the most used bunkers, Julay and Smugloli, hate his guts and hate /v/ (With the former being made up of former /ggrevolt/ and /cow/ users, and the latter being run by elitist /a/ users who see everyone outside of their clique as trash). Mark tried to get his previous bunker going (Vch.moe), but the current owner of the platform (Who's essentially made it a /tv/ bunker) has declined because he says that the site cannot handle the activity that /v/ would bring. Finally, Mark was then given a board on Fatchan and Prolikewoah, to which he preferred to use the former while some Anons favored the latter. As for everyone else, here is how they view the entire event: http://archive.vn/wip/Jxa1N
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>Mark tries to bring up the fact 8kun is still shit and board requests are getting denied purely on Jim's whim because he doesn't like it (loli)
>Jim responds with the tact and grace of an epileptic at a rave party and commands him to focus on /newsplus/ instead because he thinks the biggest board on this site doesn't matter and should be deleted
>Mark leaks conversation (to which Jim confirmed on livestream that the conversation is real) to warn anons that no-chin Jim is more interested in turning the site into some weird Qboomer news aggregator for shekels, with headlines curated by moderators (again, he laid this out in livestream because he didn't like anons using "the N and F words" in the headlines, yet another decision Jim made with no warning, no dialogue of any kind, just thinks he can curate content on an anonymous imageboard because fuck the rest of you)
>Mark gets shitcanned, obviously. Wouldn't really care if this happened in isolation, but again, this is Jim making snap decisions that alter the nature of the site (for good or bad) all on his own
>Supposedly Ron is in charge and he doesn't have the spine to tell Jim he needs to not delete the most active board on the site, again, based on his fucking demented boomer whims
>Meanwhile, Mark doesn't know what he's doing as he tries to find a new hub
>Utter confusion as anons are now split between 8kun, PLW, and fatchan

I haven't kept up with any of this mess at all, but that's what I've been able to glean in the past 12 hours or so. I'm all on board with leaving this necropolis of a site, as now I know that Jim is obsessed with turning this place into a Qnews aggregator for shekels and would delete /v/, alter moderation structure, and have mods curate content purely off of his own fucking whims. He's incoherent and has no idea what the fuck he's talking. He appears more than willing to shape the entire site to his image rather than leaving the rest of the boards the fuck alone so he can try to make money off of his dead boomer news board while he denies requests for loli boards because he thinks it's child pornography.

This, to me, is not about Mark in the slightest. I wouldn't mind if Mark just got replaced with someone better and we could carry on as we usually do, but that doesn't even seem to be Jim's goal with this place. His interests are to take the onus of forbidding content he doesn't like, to have mods curate content on /newsplus/, to delete /v/, and to shitcan mods who upset him. General quality of life fixes seem to be out the window for him, case in fucking point, as this site is still a mess of slow posting speed, broken images, and awful loading.

I'm far more concerned with finding a site that is functional. The people running said site don't have to like us as long as they're not weird faggots with weird boomer delusions of making an imageboard a profitable news site or that we shouldn't allow loli boards because they're literally CP. I guess we'll see where everyone settles, but I intend to leave this place regardless.

Shame PLW was only intended as a bunker and won't be up for long. Shame that /animu/'s makeshift little bunker is infinitely more responsive than this very site. Everyone arguing over Mark and using him as the basis for whether they stay is missing the point. The administration itself does not care about the board and thinks he can take it into his own hands to curate and censor content because he doesn't like a specific genre of art or doesn't like anons using naughty words in thread headlines. This site needs help, and much like a eunuch trying to jerk off, it's not coming.

You have fun hanging around with an impulsive, censorious boomer administration that has the end goal of selling you down the river to make money off of Monster-sipping boomers in a forlorn effort to make an imageboard a fucking news site. I'm fucking out of here.


Long story short, come May, 8chan likely be declared officially dead in all ways possible, with a successor that's doing nothing but parading a corpse around, and a population that has left for greener pastures. Boy, drama on the internet is fun.

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Is 8kun officially dead either?

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It's not "dead", but people are waiting to see what will happen in two-three weeks before completely writing it off.

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Got it, I didn't like 8chan, and it's the community for as long as I've known, but it doesn't mean, insulate all of them from the internet.

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