banner_jpg
Username:     Password:      
Forums

New Poll - Racism in Manga

Pages (3) [ 1 2 3 ] Next
You must be registered to post!
From User
Message Body
Post #771687
user avatar
Member

5:30 pm, Sep 7 2019
Posts: 360


It's just as bad. The fact that people tend to give it a pass because it's a "different culture" is even worse. There's nothing cultural in being racist. Racism is ignorance, culture would be the opposite of it.

________________
My current top 3:
Fullmetal Alchemist
Pandora Hearts
3-gatsu no Lion
Post #771688 - Reply to (#771687) by train93
user avatar
Member

5:55 pm, Sep 7 2019
Posts: 876


Quote from train93
Racism is ignorance, culture would be the opposite of it.

I thought "racism" was defined as "the acknowledgement one's ancestral descent and/or skin color". That's why I asked "WHY is it a bad thing?"

________________
User Posted Image
user avatar
Member

12:41 am, Sep 8 2019
Posts: 222


I'm not bothered at all by any depiction of any race, including my own, that appears in manga.

Don't export the race struggle currently present in the USA to another country that knows little or nothing of it because Japan is populated essentially by only one race. Occasional unflattering portrayals of other races of the world that appear in their light media, including manga, are just manifestations of stuff that to them is exotic and far away.

People who are going to consume other nations' media, and enjoy it, need to learn a certain degree of cosmopolitanism. Otherwise they'll never really enjoy much, and can never hope to learn the reality of Japan in particular, a very different society from that of the USA.

user avatar
Member

1:47 am, Sep 8 2019
Posts: 384


Interesting topic. I never really noticed any racism - besides the dumb stereotypes like the air-headed flashy American and such - but then again I don't take that seriously. If it's overdone, it gets annoying. And I'm from a culture that (mostly) frowns upon racism.
Frankly, I've got a bigger problem with homophobia and sexism. That ticks me off a lot more than racism ever could, to be honest. Nevertheless, it doesn't matter why you are discriminated against - be it gender, sexuality, age, religion or race - it's all bad.

user avatar
Member

1:53 am, Sep 8 2019
Posts: 152


When it don't go to far, i don't really mind. Racism is part of our world after all and most likely never will go away, as such i think it's ok to have racism in story to a certain extent.

Post #771698 - Reply to (#771677) by KaoriNite
Member

4:09 am, Sep 8 2019
Posts: 274


Quote from KaoriNite
I think at a certain point you have to stop cutting people slack by assuming all racism in other cultures is unintentional or due to a lack of cultural understanding.

Indeed. I can forgive Mr.Popo being drawn exactly like an old racist caricature, at the time he was made ...but I wouldn't tolerate it, if someone did that now.
Minor ignorant stuff, I just tolerate (should be pointed out, but...)
Bigger stuff, like Mr.Popo or, even worse, blackface, I think absolutely has to be criticised, even if initially forgiven as ignorance
...but as it gets pointed out, the defence of ignorance becomes less and less tenable.

Post #771699 - Reply to (#771680) by residentgrigo
Member

4:24 am, Sep 8 2019
Posts: 274


Quote from residentgrigo
Quoting for posterity is great but don´t engage the Neo-Nazi further. Don´t play into their hand. This is right out of the air-right playbook to trigger the libs and derail the discussion so that they get a platform for hate everywhere they go. I didn't read his response btw. only your comment but his opinion on the holocaust was once explored before on this site... with perilous results.

Given his statements here, and what I saw him say (and responded to ...as I did not yet realise, that he utterly hopeless and dishonest. I won't make that mistake again) about transgenders before, and what you just said...

How the hell is he still allowed on the forums?
He is clearly massively bigoted, in just about every way, and states his bigotry at every opportunity.
...and his questions are clearly never just honest genuine questions, of the merely ignorant. Any ignorance (where he isn't actively disingenuous/lying) is obviously wilful, and hence not excusable.
Isn't one of the forum rules "Don't post offensive content"?
Granted, I don't mind controversial topics and differing opinions, but...
This is far beyond the pale, by just about any standards, isn't it?

Post #771700 - Reply to (#771694) by cecropiamoth
Member

4:27 am, Sep 8 2019
Posts: 274


Quote from cecropiamoth
Don't export the race struggle currently present in the USA to another country

Racism in manga, is Japanese people expressing Japanese racism
...and them exporting their racism, to other countries.

Post #771702 - Reply to (#771699) by zarlan
user avatar
Member

5:56 am, Sep 8 2019
Posts: 876


Quote from zarlan
his questions are clearly never just honest genuine questions

Have you ever considered the fact that I AM asking you a genuine question since it seems like every other source doesn't give a straight answer, so I WANT a straight answer so that the other person and I are on the same page? Or, that I'm trying to figure out what direction you're coming from in your argument because the way you phrased your post made it sound weird (Which can happen since while everyone posts in English on this site, not everyone speaks the same English), or it seems like there's an error in logic somewhere (Whether in yours or in mine)? Or, the fact that there's a possibility that I may actually agree with you guys on some subjects (Because, "God fobid", that people can actually AGREE on something while having widely different viewpoints on other matters), but you guys are so afraid of offending anyone (Or that it may cause a short-circuit in your view of the world, that not everything is "black and white" ) that you would rather dance around and try to avoid questions rather than just answering them?

HAVE YOU IDIOTS EVER CONSIDERED THAT FACT THAT I WANT TO BE PROVEN WRONG, for once, SO THAT I CAN ACTUALLY LEARN SOMETHING, because you cannot learn ANYHTING unless you encounter an error or a state of doubt, AND "BEING RIGHT" ALL THE TIME (Which I know I'm not, and I'd like someone to actually call me out when I am wrong, with facts to back it beyond just ancedotes) DOESN'T DO ANYTHING FOR ME EXCEPT MAKE ENEMIES, WASTE TIME, AND CAUSE ENTIRE THREADS TO GET SHUTDOWN BECAUSE NO ONE IS ANSWERING ANYONE'S QUESTIONS BECAUSE THE OTHER IDIOT (Whether it's you or me, even I can get bullheaded in my beliefs) IS AFRAID OF THE OTHER PERSON POSSIBLY BEING CORRECT SO THEY DANCE AROUND THE TOPIC AND POST NOTHING OF ACTUAL SUBSTANCE BEYOND JUST REPEATEDLY GOING "Look at how offensive this person. It doesn't matter whether he is right or wrong, it doesn't matter how much proof he posts. He's wrong because he's wrong because I was told that this is wrong, and that's that"?!

Actually, that reminds me of something that I asked about the other day, does anyone else find the idea troubling that we're not allowed to make mistakes and admit that you're wrong in today's world, thereby make this "perfectionist" culture, when the only way you CAN learn and improve is WHEN you make mistakes and have the audacity to admit one's own fault?



But, enough about what I want. To bring this thread back on topic, what is actually wrong with racism?

________________
User Posted Image
Post #771712 - Reply to (#771697) by darkraiders
user avatar
Member

10:58 am, Sep 8 2019
Posts: 384


it should not be however. While realistically people will always discriminate against each other due to dumb reasons, media should try to not show these and work against that bullshit.
If a whole media industry doesn't even try, it says a lot about the people involved. Namely, that they don't care if they hurt said minorities. And that's not okay.

But, to be honest, reality isn't quite there yet anywhere. I mean, for example, stuff that targets children and teenagers tends to be especially sexist, and probably all around the world. There's a lot of racist stuff as well. Media is made by humans, after all, and even if they should make media that's not racist oder sexist (unless to make a point or because it's relevant to the story they tell), they do, because their viewpoints and opinions transfer over. Unless, that is, they make it a point not to do that.
And that's where the whole "we should care" point lies.

Post #771718
user avatar
Member

5:49 pm, Sep 8 2019
Posts: 497


I chose ‘It's as offensive as racist content found anywhere else’ since how I feel about a racist stereotype isn’t defined by the mindset of the author and whatever cultural differences we may have. I’ve encountered almost no racism in the manga I’ve read, but sexism is pretty frequent, and the manga being based in a different country with a different culture doesn’t mean that it’s not annoying AF to read.



Post #771730 - Reply to (#771712) by dreamer00013
Member

2:52 am, Sep 9 2019
Posts: 274


Quote from dreamer00013
While realistically people will always discriminate against each other due to dumb reasons, media should try to not show these and work against that bullshit.

To take the example I've mentioned before: I take it you are against movies like Shindler's List, given what you just said?
...
You can either not show racism OR work against it.
One or the other.

Having racism in manga is fine. Promoting it, celebrating it, or just showing it as normal and fine, presenting it as acceptable... That is what is wrong.

Post #771734 - Reply to (#771688) by Transdude1996
user avatar
Member

6:01 am, Sep 9 2019
Posts: 360


Quote from Transdude1996
I thought "racism" was defined as "the acknowledgement one's ancestral descent and/or skin color". That's why I asked "WHY is it a bad thing?"

You thought wrong, then. If you had picked up a dictionary once in your entire life, you would have known that.

________________
My current top 3:
Fullmetal Alchemist
Pandora Hearts
3-gatsu no Lion
Post #771737 - Reply to (#771734) by train93
user avatar
Member

11:06 am, Sep 9 2019
Posts: 876


Quote from train93
You thought wrong, then. If you had picked up a dictionary once in your entire life, you would have known that.

One problem: The History and Dictionary Meaning of Racism
Quote from Merriam-Webster
Racism appears to be a word of recent origin, with no citations currently known that would suggest the word was in use prior to the early 20th century. But the fact that the word is fairly new does not prove that the concept of racism did not exist in the distant past. Things may have words to describe them before they exist (spaceship, for instance, has been in use since the 19th century, well before the rocket-fired vessels were invented), and things may exist for a considerable time before they are given names (t-shirt does not appear in print until the 20th century, although the article of clothing existed prior to 1900).

Dictionaries are often treated as the final arbiter in arguments over a word’s meaning, but they are not always well suited for settling disputes. The lexicographer’s role is to explain how words are (or have been) actually used, not how some may feel that they should be used, and they say nothing about the intrinsic nature of the thing named by a word, much less the significance it may have for individuals. When discussing concepts like racism, therefore, it is prudent to recognize that quoting from a dictionary is unlikely to either mollify or persuade the person with whom one is arguing.

So, that avenue lead nowhere. Anyone know what word was originally used to describe what everyone is so...terrified of just by hearing the mere mention of it?

________________
User Posted Image
Post #771739 - Reply to (#771730) by zarlan
user avatar
Member

1:56 pm, Sep 9 2019
Posts: 384


You can work by showing racism as brutal - which movies like Shindlers list do. Or at least I think it does, haven't seen it. I could be mixing it up with another movie though, got to look it up.

There are however harmless Nazi films that are wrong for a good reason, because they show racism as something good and normal, but in this incredible subtile way you don't immediately get. It's fascinating really, in a very nasty, brutal way.

There are more ways of working against racism than the obvious ones. Just saying something is bad doesn't convince all people, after all! See this thread.
Totally agree with your statements though!

Pages (3) [ 1 2 3 ] Next
You must be registered to post!