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kittenz73
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I really like Heptagon....but I don't get it! lol. I'm really slow I guess, and I was jus confused which part really happend and what didnt...is the dude alive? did she change her past? I don't really know if her sister was planning to go to eisei high....cuz she didnt she went to N high school. i get the hat reference...which makes me even more confused lol. like i just wish i could read someone's analysis on this whole manga so my heart could be at rest.

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which manga is thisconfused that could really help u know xD

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It's in the Heptagon section...

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kittenz73
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ah. i guess noone rele understood this manga then...

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Just because no one replied (yet) doesn't mean no one understood it. Just be patient.

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Okay *Warning* spoilers. eyes and a very very long post...
I'll sum the story up basically, in the way the story unfolds. I'll explain some things as I go but most explanations follow after.
The present Nana is going to be refered to as 24Nana (24 year old Nana) and past Nana is going to be 14Nana.

Essentially the 24Nana in the beginning is like a walking zombie. No life, no dreams - doesn't even listen to other people talking.
Later, it is revealed that she did not cry when having the water splashed on her because she was "grown up" (represented by 'make up'). So she did have emotions but it is distant to her.

When Azusa shouted at her for being a "boyfriend stealer", that clicked a memory in her past, when a key dropped on the floor, that clicked as well, and when she got hit by the truck, she went back into the past - something like a 'second chance', and perhaps the time capsule she buried in her past is related as well.

As a kid again 24Nana doesn't remember any of her childhood invovling Hiroaka and her Sis. So~ simply 24Nana remembers what her 14 yr old self was like, and what happened.

The 'Original' past:
- 14Nana is weak and naiive (can't blame her roll eyes ).
- 14Nana didn't have great grades.
- 14Nana looks up to her Sis too much - literally idolizes her.
- Her Sis tells her to find out the Vice Basketball captain's name (HIroaka)
- With a sense of duty and eager to please attitude, she tries very hard to find out.
- During the process 14Nana falls in love with him.
- He falls in love with her too.
- He taught her not to see herself to be inferior to her sis.
- Yukino and Sato chan (her b-friends) Knows that 14Nana loves him.
- 14Nana hides this fact from Sis because she doesn't want to appear cunning.
- The girls in her basketball team finds out and bullies her mad
- 14Nana doesn't want to get hurt anymore cry
- Claims that Hiroaka and her sis is going out no
- Hiroaka asks 14Nana to go to Fairwell Party, she rejects him.
- 14Nana finds out later (same day) that Hiroaka is moving to Kyushu
- 14Nana also finds out that Hiroaka went home by foot because he lost his bike keys
- 14Nana finds his bike keys and chases after him.
- She finds him in the middle of the road and he tells her to throw the key to him and she does....and he gets ran over by a truck. IN front of her eyes. dead
- He is dead and 14Nana becomes a walking zombie (not literally bigrazz ).
- She leaves the feeling self of her behind. She leaves behind the part of her that cries, that laughs and dreams : her true self.

So 24Nana went to the past; the difference was that:
- 24Nana doesn't remember her past but she begins to remember.
- 24Nana' s memory is twisted:
- Doesn't remember her Love for Hiroaka mad
- Her sis did not date Hiroaka but she thought that they were
- She thinks that Hiroaka loves her sis cry no
- Finds out that her Sis already knew Hiroaka and realizes that her sis never really trusted her. (24Nana starts to see what her sis is really like)
- Realizes that Azusa never trusted her as well (she told her about dating Sakato but Azusa never told her that she liked him)
- 24Nana excels in Grades as her 14yr old self, knows how to use the computer and is popular with people
- Her sis is uncomfortable with that
- Hiroaka meets her and tells her not to think so highly of her Sis (she remembers that he said that to her in the past)
- Her sis finds out that Nana likes Hiroaka and accuses her of stealing boyfriend
- 24Nana tells her that she doesn't and that she even told her friends that Her sis and Hiroaka were dating
- Her arrogant sis breaks down. biggrin
- 24Nana realizes that her sis is just a deperate little person.
- When she was bullied by the basketball girls she feels nothing because as a 24yr old she has gone through and knows worse smile wink grin (so cool cool )
- Hiroaka talks to her: She remembers her past, the incident : She faints. She realizes that she left her true self as 14Nana.
- She wakes up, and is told that she missed the fairwell party.
- She knows that this is her chance to save Hiroaka.
- When she jumps in front of the truck, she is as her present self (Hit by a truck)
- Her past has changed. Nana has become stronger. Confronts Sister (And her sister goes eek xD). Meets Hiroaka on the elevator.

laugh Explanation:
Nana, at her graduation day (14 yrs old) hid her hope in the "heptagon" as a time capsule.
Her hope was to go back in time and save Hiroaka by jumping in front of the stupid truck.

When she was 24 yrs old in the accident, her school was being demolished...and the time capsules of her year group disappeared as well...

The reason to the disappearence of the time capsule is because of Nana's hope coming true. You can interpret this in different ways - one way to see it could be that 'a wish came true' so its like a one time wish fulfiller.

The thing that doesn't make sense is that the 24-year-old her doesn't remember that Hiroaka is alive...What i mean is that the past is changed but the present Nana doesn't remember her changed past. confused

Last thing is that I dont dont get the Hat reference confused ....
I don't get where that came from....I hope that helped bigrazz

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kittenz73
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ahh ahh thank you thank you! man, when you were explaining i felt my self going threw the pages all over again. wow, such a nicely done story, i kinda guessed some things but the main part i missed is that 24nana forged her own memory, and thats why what she was thinking was different to wat actually happened, and thats why she broke down closer to the end when she was talkin to hiroaka and said she would be stronger and that he would see in 10 years. man this story is like, subtle and amazing. i applaud it in its excellency.

anyway the hat reference: when 24nana (in 14nana's body) saved hiroaka from the accident she dropped her hat. (if you think about it there were alot of panels featuring that hat thats y u need to read it twice)....so i guess in the present, him saying i have ur hat is like saying that he knew it was her that saved him and i guess he picked it up....but then i guess i kinda get confused cuz in the past when hiroaka gets saved and all the pple gather around him, it seemed like they didnt know a girl saved him...and he said 'a girl was just there' or somethin like that...

so yeah thanks for ur summary.

wintermelon
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6:37 am, Jun 11 2009
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Aha~
Now I get it eyes
Thanks much for explaining the hat reference! smile wink grin
Your welcome for the summary although apologies for it being ineloquently phrased (& very long) bigrazz


Pacific.Mint
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11:46 pm, May 17 2010
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Thanks for the explanations.
I didn't get the hat reference as well. Gonna read it the 2nd time when I have time.

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Quote from wintermelon
Last thing is that I dont dont get the Hat reference confused ....
I don't get where that came from....I hope that helped bigrazz


about the hat that Hiroaka (the guy in a suit in the elevator) probably meant the hat she was wearing when she saved Hiroaka from the bus accident. she did like time traveled right so maybe since she did rescue him, that's what he is talking about. that just what i understand about the manga.


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Quote from wintermelon
Okay *Warning* spoilers. eyes and a very very long post...
I'll sum the story up basically, in the way the story unfolds. I'll explain some things as I go but most explanations follow after.
The present Nana is going to be refered to as 24Nana (24 year old Nana) and past Nana is going to be 14Nana.

Essentially the 24Nana in the beginning is like a walking zombie. No life, no dreams - doesn't even listen to other people talking.
Later, it is revealed that she did not cry when having the water splashed on her because she was "grown up" (represented by 'make up'). So she did have emotions but it is distant to her.

When Azusa shouted at her for being a "boyfriend stealer", that clicked a memory in her past, when a key dropped on the floor, that clicked as well, and when she got hit by the truck, she went back into the past - something like a 'second chance', and perhaps the time capsule she buried in her past is related as well.

As a kid again 24Nana doesn't remember any of her childhood invovling Hiroaka and her Sis. So~ simply 24Nana remembers what her 14 yr old self was like, and what happened.

The 'Original' past:
- 14Nana is weak and naiive (can't blame her roll eyes ).
- 14Nana didn't have great grades.
- 14Nana looks up to her Sis too much - literally idolizes her.
- Her Sis tells her to find out the Vice Basketball captain's name (HIroaka)
- With a sense of duty and eager to please attitude, she tries very hard to find out.
- During the process 14Nana falls in love with him.
- He falls in love with her too.
- He taught her not to see herself to be inferior to her sis.
- Yukino and Sato chan (her b-friends) Knows that 14Nana loves him.
- 14Nana hides this fact from Sis because she doesn't want to appear cunning.
- The girls in her basketball team finds out and bullies her mad
- 14Nana doesn't want to get hurt anymore cry
- Claims that Hiroaka and her sis is going out no
- Hiroaka asks 14Nana to go to Fairwell Party, she rejects him.
- 14Nana finds out later (same day) that Hiroaka is moving to Kyushu
- 14Nana also finds out that Hiroaka went home by foot because he lost his bike keys
- 14Nana finds his bike keys and chases after him.
- She finds him in the middle of the road and he tells her to throw the key to him and she does....and he gets ran over by a truck. IN front of her eyes. dead
- He is dead and 14Nana becomes a walking zombie (not literally bigrazz ).
- She leaves the feeling self of her behind. She leaves behind the part of her that cries, that laughs and dreams : her true self.

So 24Nana went to the past; the difference was that:
- 24Nana doesn't remember her past but she begins to remember.
- 24Nana' s memory is twisted:
- Doesn't remember her Love for Hiroaka mad
- Her sis did not date Hiroaka but she thought that they were
- She thinks that Hiroaka loves her sis cry no
- Finds out that her Sis already knew Hiroaka and realizes that her sis never really trusted her. (24Nana starts to see what her sis is really like)
- Realizes that Azusa never trusted her as well (she told her about dating Sakato but Azusa never told her that she liked him)
- 24Nana excels in Grades as her 14yr old self, knows how to use the computer and is popular with people
- Her sis is uncomfortable with that
- Hiroaka meets her and tells her not to think so highly of her Sis (she remembers that he said that to her in the past)
- Her sis finds out that Nana likes Hiroaka and accuses her of stealing boyfriend
- 24Nana tells her that she doesn't and that she even told her friends that Her sis and Hiroaka were dating
- Her arrogant sis breaks down. biggrin
- 24Nana realizes that her sis is just a deperate little person.
- When she was bullied by the basketball girls she feels nothing because as a 24yr old she has gone through and knows worse smile wink grin (so cool cool )
- Hiroaka talks to her: She remembers her past, the incident : She faints. She realizes that she left her true self as 14Nana.
- She wakes up, and is told that she missed the fairwell party.
- She knows that this is her chance to save Hiroaka.
- When she jumps in front of the truck, she is as her present self (Hit by a truck)
- Her past has changed. Nana has become stronger. Confronts Sister (And her sister goes eek xD). Meets Hiroaka on the elevator.

laugh Explanation:
Nana, at her graduation day (14 yrs old) hid her hope in the "heptagon" as a time capsule.
Her hope was to go back in time and save Hiroaka by jumping in front of the stupid truck.

When she was 24 yrs old in the accident, her school was being demolished...and the time capsules of her year group disappeared as well...

The reason to the disappearence of the time capsule is because of Nana's hope coming true. You can interpret this in different ways - one way to see it could be that 'a wish came true' so its like a one time wish fulfiller.

The thing that doesn't make sense is that the 24-year-old her doesn't remember that Hiroaka is alive...What i mean is that the past is changed but the present Nana doesn't remember her changed past. confused

Last thing is that I dont dont get the Hat reference confused ....
I don't get where that came from....I hope that helped bigrazz


Spoiler!!!!!! for the entire manga!!!!! caution!

About the hat. In the very end, after she hears that she missed the farewell party and remembers what happened (she killed Hiroaka), she chases after Hiroaka to save him from being hit by the truck. The moment she runs to push Hiroaka out of the way, she turns back into her 24 year old self (because the past overlaps with the future-which is what happens in chapter 1, Nana being hit by a truck). The hat came from when the 24 year old Nana saved Hiroaka (Go back to the first chapter and you see she is wearing a fur hat. That is the same hat that you see in a puddle of blood in the last chapters). When she pushed Hiroaka out of the way of the truck to save him, her hat fell off. She disappears and all that is left in front of Hiroaka is a pool of blood and a hat.
Now in the future: In the elevator, Hiroaka mentions the hat, meaning that he recognizes her as the woman who saved him from being hit by the truck when he was 14. In other words, what Nana did in the past really changes the past and Hiroaka lives. It implies that Hiroaka remembers his feelings for Nana (and she remembers her love for him) and they'll live happily ever after. At least, that's usually what happens in shojo manga biggrin .


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