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6:03 pm, Aug 22 2020
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The US census is going on right now, so energizerbunny suggested we do this question. Our poll format doesn't allow for the selection of multiple answers though, so mixed race is a separate option (but if you're half Chinese, half Korean, then you're still full Asian, so we're not counting that as mixed for the purpose of this poll). And we're also not able to do follow-up questions (like expanding on the types of Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish origins; or which specific Asian). Feel free to comment below if you're comfortable.

You can submit poll ideas here
http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=3903

Previous Poll Results:
Question: Is it worse to have had and lost or to never have had at all? (Love, family, friends, wealth, opportunity, etc.)
Choices:
Never have had at all - votes: 1033 (30.6%)
They're the same - votes: 855 (25.3%)
Have had and lost - votes: 1485 (44%)
There were 3373 total votes.
The poll ended: August 22nd 2020

The Matrix, anyone?

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7:50 pm, Aug 22 2020
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Spanish origin would be a White person I think.
Hispanics and Latinos are mostly of mixed Indigenous peoples and White descent since Mexico and Central and South American countries were colonized not only by Spain but by France and Italy and other countries at varying times.

I'm not an expert though 🤷

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What's considered White changes with the country and culture. There are places where Spaniards would fall in the White category, but in the American census the Hispanic category is any people relating to Spain or Spanish-speaking countries.

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9:04 pm, Aug 22 2020
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I see! I am not at all American so I didn't know this about the American census. Thanks for explaining!

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9:19 pm, Aug 22 2020
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Hm not including arabs? I suppose i am mostly white...

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Post #779682 - Reply to (#779679) by kuroipon
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The "American consensus" on what defines someone's "race" is honestly a mess and a joke. For example, "latino" has gone through several different revisions on what it is defined as to the point that you encounter such silliness as people like Lynda Carter (1970's Wonder Woman) being considered "white" and "latino" both at the same time, meanwhile also being one or the other depending on the time of day.

I've mostly come to the opinion of either identifying yourself by nationality, or your nation(s) of origin.

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Post #779687 - Reply to (#779681) by Trimutius
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Yeah, it is strange, but Arabians would be counted as Asians in the United States for polling purposes.

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11:44 pm, Aug 22 2020
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White is not a race nor ethnic group, it's Caucasian, which basically means of European origin, which would include most Hispanics by the way unless they are mestizos, if you are going to distinguish Hispanics (descendant from Hispanic peninsula) from the rest of Europe then you have to also recognize Anglo, Saxon, Gaule, Latin and so on and so forth...
In short, the poll options don't make much sense.

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Yeah, it is strange, but Arabians would be counted as Asians in the United States for polling purposes.

No, Arabs have historically been considered white/Caucasian for the US census and other government purposes. There was a push to add a new category of Middle Eastern/North African to the 2020 census, but it didn't succeed.

Post #779700 - Reply to (#779688) by PZcolo
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Caucasian is not an ethnic group. It is an outdated (and erroneous) way of referring to white people used back in the day when they also had such categories as "mongoloids" and "negroids". Wiki gives a decent overview of how outdated, and based on faulty science, the category was, but it somehow stuck, while the other two terms didn't.

It's also incredible inaccurate, since the "caucasian" bit refers to the Caucacus region, which includes Georgia, Armenia, Turkey, Iran, etc. People who are classified as West Asian/Middle Eastern today, and would certainly not be considered Europeans. All the countries here are extremely linguistically and culturally diverse too, so grouping them into one category also makes no sense.

While I do agree with the fact that "white" is a... finicky category, it's one actually invented/perpetuated by white Americans themselves. (See: (early) citizenship laws, which specifically codified the racial category of "white" into law -- yes, they literally used the word "white person" to refer to people who were eligible for citizenship. And people literally sued for the chance to be considered "white" under the law, with some winning and others losing.) And, well, since it's the U.S. census being referenced, that's what's being used.

Anyway, I'm Chinese (Han Chinese, to be exact). So I've never had the head-scratching moments a lot of my peers has had filling out these census categories, since us Chinese folks are pretty firmly in the "Asian" category in this case.

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Two or more races. Aka Afro-Russian.
It's not that hard folks. Like, what are you even doing?

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Dad is georgian, mom is turkish. Dude what am I?

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10:48 am, Aug 23 2020
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Honestly, not sure what the purpose of this poll is outside of the US context. It demonstrates just how one specific country sees the world and its people.

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1:07 pm, Aug 23 2020
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I see that once again "Asian" has been included in the Anglosphere-Approved sense of "East/Southeast Asian," even though South Asians (Indians, who're South Asians, make up over 1/7th of the world population, just fyi) and Central Asians are completely different races. Nice.

Anyway! I picked some other race (South Asian).

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I've mostly come to the opinion of either identifying yourself by nationality, or your nation(s) of origin.

Must agree. Also, one's "race" says little about that person. It's culture that influences and defines one's mentality and habits, and culture has to do with one's nation and family -- that is, the environment one grew up in -- more than "race" itself.

By the way, I'm reluctant to use the word "race" because of the connotation it used to have and the historical events and misconceptions associated to it. In my sociology studies I've found out that "human groups" may be a more acceptable substitute.

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