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4:51 pm, Aug 23 2020
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I'm black, but I just want to say that this poll shows how messy the concept of race is. How Americans define race has changed over time and will continue to change (for example Hispanic/Latino isn't considered a race anymore on the census, but an ethnicity). Race is a social construct so the types of races will vary depending on the country/society.

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I'm out of my depth here so I can't insist on whether white or Caucasian is accurate, wikipedia is not a reliable source of info and I'm not sure what organism regulates this kind of definitions. In layman terms, in dictionaries, both refer to "European origin" in any case so it's kind of a moot point. Still, even in the article of wikipedia if you delve a little deeper you'll find that the article being referenced for why Caucasian is an outdated term doesn't propose white as the alternative either.

I do think thou that the color of the skin is hardly indicative of one's ancestry or race in this modern world. I'm Argentine, I have white skin and am a descendant from Spaniards 3/4 and Polish 1/4 yet according to the options I'm not white, also, latino is basically either descendant of Spaniards, thus (mostly) white or a mix of indigenous and Spaniard, thus mestizo or mixed.


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This may sound silly but I'm confused. Say are Russians considered white or asian? Are Sudanese Arab or black? Someone else mentioned that Arabs are classified under white so if Sudanese people are considered Arab then they are white? Man I'm just confusing myself.


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Yeah, this poll sucks

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Post #779735 - Reply to (#779705) by Axatema
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I agree.
I think people around the world are hybrid by now, that dividing people into races are quite difficult..
I choose not to fill this poll because it seems it use the US policy, and I'm not from there. 😅

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I'm an American Indian, or as we prefer, First Nation or Aboriginal. Trying to phase out the "Indian" part since we're not from India! I'm half Iroquois, half Ojibwe.

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Georgian = Caucasian race. Turkish = Turk. You are a Caucasian Turk. And now for the kicker:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peoples_of_the_Caucasus_in_ Turkey
Leads to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgians_in_Turkey

This was 2 minutes with wiki. This can be done with all of you. No matter how rare a Pokemon you all think you are. Our choices may be middling but there is a distinction for every variable.

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Thanks for illuminating me.

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I'm shook there is no Arab in the poll, but since it's apparently from an American census it makes sense.

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Human race... curious enough I don't find that option available...

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I'll have to agree with most people, in stating that this poll is really badly done.
(setting aside the fact that there are no separate human races. Not any extant, anyway, now that the Neanderthals are gone. The social construct of "race", does exist, so...)

"Asian" is deeply absurd, as it includes Middle Easterners, Indians, Mongols, Russians, East Asians...
Various peoples who are of wildly different "races". (it's especially ironic, given the topic of the site, that East Asians don't have a real option)

The notion that Spanish people aren't just part of "white", is purely an American notion. One which makes absolutely no sense. Sure, people who have mixed heritage, of Spanish and Native American, are generally not altogether "white" but... Hispanic covers anyone with Spanish heritage, including people in Spain.

No Middle Eastern. (the Middle East covers parts of Africa, parts of Asia ...and part of Europe, if you count Turkey as part of Europe)
...and no, no one actually counts them as white, no matter what the rules of some US thing says, purely on paper (no one can honestly claim, that America views Middle Easterners as white)
...and no, not all Middle Easterners are Arabs!
Persian, Kurds, Turks, Armenians, Assyrians and many more, are absolutely not Arabs, and almost none of them speak a language that is even even in the same language tree, as Arabic! (it may surprise many to know, that e.g. Armenian, Persian, and Kurdish are all Indo-European. Turkish is )

...and then there is the term African American, used for black people.
If you want to show that Americans have a tendency of thinking that they are the whole world, that they only think of the US and are completely ignorant (and apathetic) about the rest of the world, one good thing to point to, is the term "African American". It makes absolutely no sense, and is completely inconsistent/incoherent.
Elon Musk (who isn't black, nor, AFAIK, any black ancestry) is a citizen of America, from Africa. (South Africa, specifically)
Is he African American? Why wouldn't he be?
Nelson Mandela was black. Was he African American? He wasn't American, in the least.
Australian Aborigines and natives of the other islands nearby (New Guinea, Fiji, Indonesia) are black. Do they count as African American (hint: They are not African, nor American)

If anyone from Africa or of an Indigenous people of Oceania (or of such heritage) goes to America as a tourist (or if a picture of them is shown to an American), they will be referred to as African American ...and if Americans travel abroad, and see a black person, some of them will (at least occasionally) refer to them as African American.
Does that make sense?
(this reminds me of how someone complained about a "white" actor getting the role of an African character in a film. The actor was Egyptian. The character was Egyptian. African ≠ black. Black skin in Africa, is more of a sub-Saharan thing. Egyptians are not black, much as the rest of North Africa. They're Middle Easterners, and have much the same skin colour as anyone else in the Middle East)

Edit: Oh yeah, what about Inuits?

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Post #779761 - Reply to (#779726) by PZcolo
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I do think thou that the color of the skin is hardly indicative of one's ancestry or race in this modern world..

The colour of ones skin is hardly indicative of ones ancestry, but it most certainly IS indicative of ones, so-called, race. (if you think that isn't logical... since when does "race" have anything to do with logic?)

The terms white, black, and brown, refer to skin colour and skin colour alone. Nothing more, nothing less.
Anything aside from your skin colour, has no bearing on whether you count as white/black/brown.
(I dunno about the, now thankfully rarely used, terms red and yellow, however... I don't really get the connection to skin colour, in those cases. Especially yellow. I don't see how the skin of East Asians, is any different to that of white people, much less how it is anywhere close to yellow)

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setting aside the fact that there are no separate human races
...
Now watch as I list off several dozen of the different human species, cultures, and groups (A.K.A. the human RACEs) that are known to exist on this planet.


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2a : a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock
b : a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics
3a : an actually or potentially interbreeding group within a species
also : a taxonomic category (such as a subspecies) representing such a group
b : BREED
c : a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits
4 obsolete : inherited temperament or disposition
5 : distinctive flavor, taste, or strength


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@Transdude1996
Though this just repeats what already I said, in that comment, I'll just try to clarify:
There are so-called races of humans, in terms of social constructs, based on nothing particularly rational/logical or sensible.
Biologically, however, there are no separate races.
Back when the Neanderthals, or even Erectus were around, you could maybe legitimately talk about different races, but nowadays...
This is very well established scientific consensus, along the lines of the Earth being (approximately) a sphere.

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There are so-called races of humans, in terms of social constructs, based on nothing particularly rational/logical or sensible.
Biologically, however, there are no separate races.

I fucking dare you to say that to someone living in or immigrating from Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore, or practically any Asian country.

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