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I hate Kagome of Inuyasha. You either love her of you hate her, but she is just a B*TCH. She is so annoying T.T *dodges random objects thrown by Kagome-lovers* Does Inuyasha count as a shoujo anyway?
Don't worry, i wont throw anything.
. Yep, I agree, Kagome is kind of annoying, though I actually don't mind her for some reason (maybe cos she does have a brain). Anyway, I think Inuyasha is a shoujo (I think), or maybe it might be shounen, I don't remember....
*after skimming current posts* Woo, this thread looks so mean!
The title says "worse" and yet all these people say that they "hate" so and so. I'm surprised m-w weights the word "hate" so lightly, actually the verb is 10x stronger in meaning than the noun it seems...
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hate [noun] 1 a: intense hostility and aversion usually deriving from fear, anger, or sense of injury b: extreme dislike or antipathy : loathing <had a great hate of hard work>
hate [verb] 1 : to feel extreme enmity toward <hates his country's enemies
2 : to have a strong aversion to : find very distasteful <hated to have to meet strangers> <hate hypocrisy> intransitive verb : to express or feel extreme enmity or active hostility
worse [adjective]
1: of more inferior quality, value, or condition
2 a: more unfavorable, difficult, unpleasant, or painful b: more faulty, unsuitable, or incorrect c: less skillful or efficient
3: bad, evil, or corrupt in a greater degree : more reprehensible4: being in poorer health : sicker
There is "worse" as a noun, and as an adverb too, though.
And I'm not admin, but I think future posters in the thread should avoid saying that they "hate" a character, personally (yep, that "personally" meant "my humble opinion"). I know this would probably be some censoring but "hate" is such a strong word...
There are some of the commentors that might, as I've seen a person that hates (/hated?) Usagi from Sailor Moon
so, SO much that she built a webpage and list tearing apart her personality and maked a skit where she looks like an idiot or got beat up. But I would hope nobody resents any character that bad (well, except the evil ones that were "planted" or suppose to be by the mangaka). I think most of the hating should be done after the reflecting on the story is done, and the book is closed.
;)
I also think saying that one "hates" a character leaves it open for a fight to break out. Maybe if someone were to say "I hate...[so-and-so]" the one that is angered or annoyed will ask "why?" if no reason was listed. But it's too easy for a person to get angry about it especially if his or her character is used as a target.
Anyhow, Kagome isn't worth "worse character" in a sense that I resent her. I don't agree with her decisions when she picks on Inuyasha when she doesn't get her way, but I think she's allowed her fault along with other shoujo characters. (If they were perfect and used at the lead character they would be boring as there wouldn't be much to develop in their personalities.) And if comments I remember for a Inuyasha x Kagome AMV are any example of how some fans are juvenile or catty ("Inu belongs w/ Kikyo, not tat ho Kagome" "Kagome shuld go bck and fnd a boy in her own world!"), don't want to be part of that group. O_o
And Inuyasha is a shounen. It's in a shounen manga magazine, although Inuyasha being an obvious shounen isn't a given. I found a webpage that compared a screenshot where Kagome was sitting/standing with her legs closed and then the other version where her legs were spread apart so that you could see her underwear.
It was just ecchi though (not hentai, but a be crude looking), but I don't remember where I saw it (4chan?).
Miaka fosters a lot of resentment as I see it. I've seen people give her credit at the end of the series since she's matured though, although I don't know if it's the same that would like to see her...behead, I guess? ^_^U). And on the old Anime Turnpike there was this page that was linked called something like "The Torture Dungeon". I think the webmistress mentioned that some of the writings that people sent were too disturbing and that she wouldn't post them (maybe they were giving tortures that were like creepy ones serial murders do? O_o). I think that at least one of them that were posted mentioned she should be sexually assaulted repeatedly. There's some "oddness" in that comment in that how many times Miaka gets (potentially) stuck in that sort of situation. I think one would know what I mean after reading the manga or at least the anime. O_o
I can probably tolerate Miaka if she isn't having one of her "airhead" or "lapse in judgements" moments (I guess Yui didn't get labelled as "dumb" just because she's blonde in this series ;)) and that a "Tamahome!" "Miaka!" exchange isn't going on. I guess the verbal one is worse than the "I can't be with you" one.
Okay, this is a spoiler for about episode 40+ about when Miaka and company go back to Hokkan country.
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But Miaka of the anime lost credit (it was something the writers did) when she meets Houki. And she mistakes her for Nuriko and yet Houki looks nothing like Nuriko since her hair is fashioned completed different and her hair is a very pale purple. And maybe the audience only find out that the animators screwed up by having Houki's character design different, because now Houki looks like Nuriko in the OAVs...and first series of the OAVs is a mess to make sense of since the writers tried to fix the small but big mistake made at episode 52.
Although I was reading Watase Yuu's freetalks in volume 13 and wasn't the manga well ahead of the manga?
This is a spoiler if you don't know who Taka is in Fushigi Yuugi. ;)
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Taka from the anime isn't as good as the character he was as Tamahome. I guess I could be a shallow (but it wouldn't be in terms of looks), but Tamahome was much cooler than Taka. Taka's like an everyday guy, and he no longer seems as fun with him being money-hungry showing very rarely. I think that might have been the only humourous bone in his body. Oh yeah, he also seems a bit desperate devoting his life to Miaka. I'm not jealous and I think I'd find him smothering, and that wouldn't be surprise me as I'm a Scorpio and he's a Cancer. Miaka's a Cancer too. This only seems to apply if you know basic personality types in astrology and believe in that stuff. ;)
This is a spoiler if you don't know who Mayo is in Fushigi Yuugi. (It suppose to be like the 3rd story arc that continued Fushigi Yuugi, but I can't remember its name.) ;)
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This girl's name is probably pronounced Mah-yoh, but I think her name being prounced "mayo" as in "mayonnaise" would be more suitable.
She is a Mary Sue, except not of Watase Yuu, but of the fans that wrote to her that wished to be like Miaka, and Watase Yuu even wrote this at the end of the story.
Watase Yuu, why are you catering to these people?
I guess it's what sell manga volumes. But anyone in the real world that does what Mayo does, well, even if the girl isn't insane enough to believe the fictional story of Fushigi Yuugi or The Four Gods Sky and Earth exists (although the matter of the 4 gods is at least based on some mythology in China), but does things like husband-stealing and is happy being a step-in-wife-replacement, needs help in my opinon.
And I only read a summary of this part of Fushigi Yuugi, but Mayo is pretty annoying even if the summary was bias. And when she tries to take Miaka's place, isn't that something a 14 year-old's logic would think be the solution to all her problems? Oh wait, maybe that was the target audience. O_o I hope Watase Yuu doesn't go down that path again (the end and story of the sequel was crappy but then she writes it anyhow. But then again I decided to read, well,
watch it...oh man. >_>) and that no such mangaka does something similar to that mess. I've heard people review the anime and they've commented that this part sucks so bad, that it makes the part that came before it suck.
That's
bad, bad, bad. xD
And I guess since airhead shoujo leads are so irritating, maybe there should be some tag for manga like "smart girls" or "non-airhead shoujo leads". I mean so that we can avoid the ones like the girl is next to a haunted house and yet she is TERRIFIED of going into that house when it's run-down and there's the sense of well..there's only a 50% chance a person that goes in will come back out
alive. ;) But anyhow, she goes in
without a second thought and obviously no plans. But then she's in this life-threatening or freaky situation (or maybe it would be so pathetic as a feather hits her foot and she think's it's flesh-eating bacteria...I guess I could understand that the being scared except for a feather being flesh-eating bacteria... O_o) and her screams are SO, so loud, I guess God must've heard them and then a knock-out looking guy rescues her. ;)
Heaven forbid a girl not be scared of the dark! ;P ;)
But then I guess that could be jealousy speaking as I doubt we, as readers, usually have a knight in shining armour that is always only an armslength away. ;) Oh yeah, and if the guy character isn't that great (in terms of character depth), I guess he doesn't get to shine as much if the female character doesn't need to be rescued. :/ (But I've watched some of Furuba and this would probably be a fairly equal manga in terms of how guys treat girls. So yeah, it may not apply except in "cliche" manga.) I guess it's okay as long as I don't see a manga that shows the "cool guy" being in 99% of the panels (I mean this in an annoying way, as I believe even THE guy doesn't get 99% screen time) and the girl being treated like a second (or third)-class citizen, like she might as well be a stock character.
xD (I guess I only make that face (xD) because I hope to never have to suffer/lay eyes on manga that..."bad," if you will. Actually, maybe manga like that should be called "outright terrible".)
I check the original post and "Worse Shoujo Characters" title was just a kinder-sounding title than "I hate [insert character name]". But it's my pessimistic and cynical side that says the "yeah, yeah, I agree, I hate that character too xD" (sort of like point-and-laugh, although that's mean as that's bullying as I see it) friendliness can't last.
But of course I'd be happy if everyone proved me wrong.
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*dodges random objects thrown by Kagome-lovers* Does Inuyasha count as a shoujo anyway? 
She's smart sometimes, but the majority of the time she's just...retarded 
