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3:51 am, Dec 29 2020
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I'm not one for banning anything that is fictitious. Same goes for gore or substance abuse in media, even if they were illegal activities in real life.

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3:54 pm, Dec 29 2020
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This is the first time I am posting about the polls. Here is how I feel, art is a reflection of a culture. A piece of art must serve a purpose especially if the content is dramatic, violent, or lustful. If I am going to have to witness a child girl or boy be sexualized, there must be context to justify the display. One of my biggest issues with books, games, or movies if when things are added without thought to how they are meant to serve in relation to the finished project. It doesn't matter if the pixels or ink can feel or give consent, it's about the purpose behind the pixels and ink.


"Banned" is a strong word but it is the closest word that would express "this shouldn't be part of public media". It is not about the pedos, it's about what that depiction is meant to express. There are some movies that depict children in harms way, but those movies might get a pass because they are telling a story about actual harm (such as sexual assault) that happens to children. Loli and Shota aren't 15-16 year olds but kids as young as 11 or 12. Having children put in a position where they are being sexualized without any context does nothing for the medium aside from furthering stereotypes about mangas and adding on the stigma about those who read them.


TLDR: Respect the art medium but contextualizing the content within especially if the content has non-family friendly themes or dipictions. If you offer content then there is no issue.


I am happy that it's fairly 50/50 and folks can talk about how they feel on the issues. That is the first step.

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8:26 pm, Dec 29 2020
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it's never a good idea to use statistics to illustrate the prevalence of a crime that carries social stigmatization
Japan's 'super safe' stats don't tell the whole story when you put those numbers beside their suicide stats which are almost double the rest of the world; even when they try and massage the official total # by separating the deceased into suicides, and persons who die by depression.

Saudi Arabia has no rape stats; because no one reports them. It is not a safe place to be.
Sweden has one of the highest sexual assault stats worldwide because the people that come forward have a high confidence in seeing justice served to them.

Anyone who tells you this is victimless doesn't understand or doesn't want to.

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9:20 pm, Dec 29 2020
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I do not support child pornography of any kind or pedophilia. So my answer would be yes it should be banned.

Post #787801 - Reply to (#787738) by Tarou
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2:43 am, Dec 30 2020
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Honestly, yes. Both are rape, a minor can't consent, neither can a little sister or maid or succubus bound by a love potion.
The problem isn't that it exists as a fantasy, the problem is that it's framed positively, which influences society to act similarly. Ideally we would filter through and judge each work individually, and I see why this would be impossible. However, I'm sure it's clear that the majority of these authors are drawing for an audience who does not want to believe that rape is wrong, portraying the girl/loli/shota as sexy as possible and as enjoying it.

Post #787804 - Reply to (#787801) by psirit
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The problem isn't that it exists as a fantasy, the problem is that it's framed positively, which influences society to act similarly.

Do you honestly think that the average person is so fucking stupid that they cannot think for themselves, so they rely upon their entertainment to gain their ideological beliefs; AND are so mentally stunted that they completely lack the ability to separate fictitious events and scenarios that happen in entertainment from the real world? IN OTHER WORDS, you honestly think that fiction is as powerful, real, and dangerous as hunting magic: https://invidio.us/watch?v=9x2FsrhKmZ8

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Post #787820 - Reply to (#787791) by ZiBaXn
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"Banned" is a strong word but it is the closest word that would express "this shouldn't be part of public media".

No.
"Banned" means "made illegal".
There is a lot I feel shouldn't be part of public media, but which I would not want to see banned. (incl loli/shota porn)
There are a lot of things, I don't think should exist/happen, that I nevertheless would strongly oppose being made illegal.

Post #787823 - Reply to (#787796) by redlinks
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4:39 am, Dec 30 2020
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I do not support child pornography of any kind or pedophilia. So my answer would be yes it should be banned.

Not making something illegal, means you support it?
Things we don't support, must be made illegal?
So I need to make all political views I don't agree with, illegal?
Wearing sweatpants outside, must be banned?
etc etc

I condemn loli/shota porn, and find it disgusting and disturbing.
…but as there is not a single shred of evidence, that it is actually harmful…

Post #787851 - Reply to (#787735) by Transdude1996
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1:55 pm, Dec 30 2020
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Considering that the state of Ohio and West Virginia had put some guy in jail over that stuff when the Ohio guy loli hentai that he ordered from Japan was damaged in USPO and The West Virginia guy came back from Japan with that stuff and got arrested. I also know Canada outlawed it and so did Mexico.

Post #787852 - Reply to (#787851) by mevan883
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Considering that the state of Ohio and West Virginia had put some guy in jail over that stuff when the Ohio guy loli hentai that he ordered from Japan was damaged in USPO and The West Virginia guy came back from Japan with that stuff and got arrested.

Couldn't find anything about Ohio, however, searching West Virginia brought this up: https://archive.vn/Qypfy
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In 1996, the United States Congress passed an act entitled the Child Pornography Prevention Act of 1996, which expanded the definition of child pornography to include virtual images. In 2002, the Supreme Court found that this law was unconstitutional due to its infringements on the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
In 2003, Congress passed a law (PROTECT Act of 2003) including a slightly revised form of the virtual child pornography prohibition. This law has not yet been subject to judicial review.

And, from what I can find, every single case that has used the Protect Act has been struck down, with charges then relying in the accused passing the Miller Test (Which is also unconstitutional, but that's another topic). Thus far, there have been ZERO actual convictions that happened because of the Protect Act, and all the convictions that have happened rely upon the same (Unconstitutional) law that could get someone arrested for possessing a copy of Midnight Cowboy.

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I also know Canada outlawed it and so did Mexico ...

Canada and Mexico are NOT the United States. Despite being neighbors, they have none of the laws we do, no matter how much they lie about how they do.

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Post #787860 - Reply to (#787734) by residentgrigo
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10:11 am, Dec 31 2020
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That depends strongly on your country. It's not illegal in the US in general. And no it's not "child pornography".

> That shit is also a legal minefield in Japan, obviously heavily frowned upon and the heat only keeps rising against such creators.

Also you don't know shit about Japan apparently. The stuff is sold in normal stores alongside every other sort of 18+ manga and 18+ fan comics. It's not segregated in any way from other content and people don't give you a second look when you buy it. It's completely and 100% legal in Japan. Source: Been to Japan several times and what I'm saying is obvious to anyone who's been to places like Melonbooks or Toranoana or other similiar places.

Among otaku community people can freely state their interest in the stuff and not get excluded from other people in the community. Many are completely unaware that it's even illegal outside of Japan.

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Post #787861 - Reply to (#787752) by zarlan
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10:19 am, Dec 31 2020
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> I suggest you try to find, and watch, "Stacey Dooley Investigates - Young Sex For Sale In Japan".

I suggest you not watch BBC propaganda that's putting completely fake things in your head.

Post #787862 - Reply to (#787796) by redlinks
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I do not support child pornography of any kind or pedophilia. So my answer would be yes it should be banned.


It's not child pornography because there's no children involved. And pedophilia is a mental condition, not a content type. So you don't seem to understand the words you're using.

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10:40 am, Dec 31 2020
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Needs more research. I have heard some very interesting things about the effects of different countries banning or permitting fake child porn. It seems to show that giving pedophiles something non-harmful to masturbate to makes them LESS likely to actually hurt a child. In which case I am more than ok with it, in fact let's make a bunch more. Whatever helps right? Unfortunately there isn't enough follow up on this to really be sure. We still can't rule out coincidence, or the possibility that it stops some pedos but encourages others. For now though I would say no because there seems to be more showing it helps or does nothing than any evidence that it makes things worse.

Post #787866 - Reply to (#787851) by mevan883
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I also know Canada outlawed it and so did Mexico.


I'm gonna need more info on the Mexico thing since I'm Mexico and Im pretty sure that what outlawed was CESM and not lolisho. I do not claim to be an expert in law, I just would really like an actual source on this fact since it's something I've never heard of.

A point a lot of people tend to forget is that lolisho is FICTION, while CESM shows REAL LIFE children being abused. Knowing the difference does not mean you have to be okay with lolisho, heck you can 100% dislike it and not want to see it, but realize that those are not real children. No damage is being done to children.

Nobuhiro Watsuki's works did not depict lolisho and yet the bastard was caught with actual CESM.

And if someone says that that type of content is what pedos use to groom children, then the blame should be on the pedo, not the content bc surprise surprise pedos use anything they can to groom, not only lolisho.

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