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7:27 pm, Jan 20 2021
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I have a hell of a time trying to find any info on it, or pictures of it (right when I want to actually try to look it up, I suddenly can't think of any characters who have it, or series in which it occurs…)
Here are some pics of what I'm asking about, that I managed to find (i.e the things on their hands):
https://i.imgur.com/axz4miD.jpg
https://benigmatica.files.wordpress.com/2018/11/goblin-slayer-06-07.jpg?w=512& h=288
Also appeared in The Dragon Prince:
https://dragonprince.fandom.com/wiki/Claudia/Gallery?file =Claudia_05.jpg

Any info on what it is, where it comes from, what it's called (if it has a name), or anything at all, would be appreciated.
(I've noticed that many magic/medicine-related characters have had them …but also plenty of others. Slightly more female ones, than male ones, I think, but… Not sure of either of those things. No clear patterns or trends)

Last edited by zarlan at 7:53 pm, Jan 20

Post #788270
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9:20 pm, Jan 20 2021
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I think you are looking for something like this:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000472826829.html
These are basically fingerless gloves for women. Hope it helps.

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Post #788286 - Reply to (#788270) by peterlewis
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I think you are looking for something like this:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000472826829.html

Not exactly.
1. You've just provided another picture. Not any information. At all. Hardly what I'd call helpful.
2. They are never that lacy.
3. I clearly stated that what I am asking about, is unisex. Not a woman exclusive thing.
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These are basically fingerless gloves for women.

No they aren't.
1. Fingerless gloves, are fingerless gloves for women.
2. Fingerless gloves cover the whole hand, minus the fingers. (except the very base of them) Those only cover the top of the hand, and not even all of it, at that …and nothing more. That is a MASSIVE difference. They are nothing alike.
3. How can those even be called gloves, at all?

Post #788288 - Reply to (#788286) by zarlan
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They're called bridal gauntlets.
https://danbooru.donmai.us/wiki_pages/bridal_gauntlets
https://www.google.com/search?q=bridal+gauntlet&client =firefox-b-d&sxsrf=ALeKk00MZ9I5QwunSbK0figKr7A_s_1fRQ: 1611218057788&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2 ahUKEwilyfX_zqzuAhUfQxUIHecYD3sQ_AUoAnoECBsQBA&biw=192 0&bih=910
It doesn't matter whether the question is about a unisex thing, the clothing is for, and is typically worn by, women.

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Peterlewis is right; they're commonly called fingerless gloves. (https://www.modalina.jp/modapedia/w/e38395e382a3e383b3e38 2ace383bce383ace382b9e383bbe382b0e383ade383bce38396/)

Are there different kinds of fingerless gloves? Sure. But if calling them "gloves" bothers you so much, they're also called bridal gauntlets (https://vndb.org/i1241). There's no real English name for them.

if you want a Japanese term, I guess you could say they're related to tekkou (手甲). (https://www.modalina.jp/modapedia/w/e6898be794b2/) (https://hagakureproductions.tripod.com/clothes.htm#sango)


Post #788293 - Reply to (#788288) by saltylettuce
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They're called bridal gauntlets.

I see no reason to believe that the term "bridal gauntlet" refers to anything that is used outside of weddings (danbooru is hardly what I'd consider a reliable source, for this), nor any clear evidence that it exclusively refers to that specific thing, rather than any gloves and the like, used by a bride at a wedding.
I had managed to encounter that term, on danbooru, when I made my initial post, BTW
…but not any decent source, telling me what "bridal gauntlet" means, and what it is.
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It doesn't matter whether the question is about a unisex thing, the clothing is for, and is typically worn by, women.

1. If the clothing I am asking about is unisex, then a garment that is made for women clearly cannot be the thing I am asking about.
2. You say that, based on what?

Last edited by zarlan at 11:26 am, Jan 21

Post #788294 - Reply to (#788290) by baiyang
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Peterlewis is right; they're commonly called fingerless gloves.

Your modalina.jp links don't work, so I can't comment on your basis for saying so
…but, if true, then that makes it pretty hopeless to search for.
(also, again assuming that people do call it that: it's completely wrong of people to call it that, as I don't see how they are gloves, at all, and there is already a very different thing that is called fingerless gloves. Calling something that lacks a hell of a lot more, by the same term…)
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But if calling them "gloves" bothers you so much, they're also called bridal gauntlets

How is calling them gauntlets, any better? It's way worse!
Also, how is vndb (the link didn't work, but searching for the tag, on the site, did) a reliable source, for confirming that, they are actually called that, rather than them just noticing that some, so called, "bridal gauntlets" look like them and, just based on that, went with that term.
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if you want a Japanese term, I guess you could say they're related to tekkou (手甲).

Looking into tekkou, it does appear that some tekkou might, indeed, be what I am looking for. (though there may be tekkou that aren't? I'll need to check more closely)

I'll have to look more into tekkou.
Thank you very much, for that tip! : )

Edit:
Tekkou does seem to absolutely be what I'm looking for
It is not related to, but actually is the garment I'm asking about. (still don't know the English name …if it has one)
…though the term is broader and also includes stuff beyond it…
Japanese is notoriously vague and imprecise.

To sum up the relevant info, that I could glean from the article on 手甲, on Japanese Wikipedia (and a quick image search. English Wikipedia only has an article on a very different, homonymous, Japanese term… Tried an internet search, but tekkou doesn't really seem to get you much, and 手甲 mostly gets you dictionary entries and shops. Maybe if I was better at searching in Japanese and/or my Japanese was better…):
Tekkou can refer to this garment …but can also refer to garments that just cover the arm (or extend onto the hand, but in different ways)
It may just cover the back of the hand and the wrist, or all the way to the elbow, as I already knew.
As I also already knew, it may (or may not) use a ring on the middle finger (if not, then just string), to attach. (unless it's a tekkou variety, outside of the version this thread is about)

They can be a cloth garment, that protects one from dirt, wounds (from e.g. branches, rather than combat), cold, and/or the sun.
…or they can be in the form of armour. (not quite what I was asking about, but in more-or-less the same shape, though using different materials)

Examples of uses (tried to just go with the bits that'll be relevant to the topic, but can't be fuly sure all of them actually include the ones that cover the back of the hand, and attach at the middle finger):
Garderners, construction workers, carpenters etc, to protect from their tools, or stuff like branches or wood chips/slivers.
To cover, when a long sleeve would be in the way. (as in, e.g., the above professions. Also seems to explains why you tend to see it, in the case of healers and the like. Can't really be harvesting or mixing herbs, with long sleeves in the way)
Travellers or messengers, using it to deal with sweat and the sun.
Protection from dirt, in various jobs.
Being able to do farm-work, without exposure to the sun. (the Japanese seem rather concerned about exposure to the sun… Well, tans have never been very popular in Japan, whether in the past or now, I suppose. Well… with some modern niche exceptions)
…and, of course, people engaged in various traditional/historical stuff, where the garment was used. (note: the article is mainly concerned with modern use, rather than historical)

May have originated from armour? …or protective gear for falconry? (to protect oneself from the sharp claws, when the falcon sits on your arm) It is apparently uncertain.
(should also be noted that 手の甲, refers to the back of the hand …which sounds a bit weird, what with 甲 meaning armour of carapace)

Last edited by zarlan at 12:56 pm, Jan 21

Post #788297 - Reply to (#788294) by zarlan
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The modalina.jp links work. It's just that from the way links are formatted, clicking it from baiyang's post adds an extra bracket at the end in the address bar.
From the modalina link and peterlewis' earlier post, it would seem that non-combat tekkou are thought of as "fingerless gloves" and that fingerless gloves (in the English sense) are called open-finger gloves (オープンフィンガーグローブ) in Japan. However, looking for the second term only turns up results about grappling gloves so I could be mistaken.
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you say based on what?
Based on the fact that they are almost exclusively worn by women. Of course there's nothing to prevent someone from drawing a man wearing one, but I think to claim the gloves are unisex would be like seeing a drawing of a man wearing a dress and then assuming dresses are unisex.

Edit:
Fingerless gloves (in the English sense) are also referred to as fingerless gloves in Japan (フィンガーレスグローブ).

Last edited by saltylettuce at 1:20 pm, Jan 21

Post #788300 - Reply to (#788297) by saltylettuce
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The modalina.jp links work. It's just that from the way links are formatted, clicking it from baiyang's post adds an extra bracket at the end in the address bar.

Quite true. Thanks
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From the modalina link and peterlewis' earlier post, it would seem that non-combat tekkou are thought of as "fingerless gloves" and that fingerless gloves (in the English sense) are called open-finger gloves (オープンフィンガーグローブ) in Japan.

One random Japanese shop, isn't a reliable source for what something is called in English (the Japanese are hardly known for their English ability)
…nor is just one random Japanese shop, proof that it's called オープンフィンガーグローブ in Japanese. (or Engrish/Wasei-eigo) Hell, that shop may have just made that term up, themselves, with no one else using it. The fact that a type of martial arts glove is called that, also counts as evidence (though not proof) against the notion that the term is used for the garment in question.
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Based on the fact that they are almost exclusively worn by women

They aren't.
At all.
Worn a bit more by women, perhaps, but…
…and no, none of the instances of men wearing the garment, is sign of them being in any way effeminate or wearing women's clothing. It is them wearing the garment, like it's perfectly normal for them to wear it.
(and I'm talking about the non-armour versions,with just normal cloth …and shaped like a V from the middle finger to the wrist, rather than anything where it's wider to cover more of the back of the hand)

Baiyang's non-modalina-link even has an example of a male character with one (there are lots of them [but there is no good way to search for them…]), with no mention or hint of it being in any way feminine.

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10:44 pm, Jan 21 2021
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First of all, Zarlan, please be more kind to people who are attempting to help you.
Whether you agree with their answers or not, they took time out of their day to try and resolve your question.

Secondly, this type to glove is most commonly seen in fictional setting -- sure, it exists in the real world too but they aren't so common place.
As such, terminology for this styled glove / arm covering may not be universal but instead may reflect more on when or what setting they are commonly seen in. (aka weddings, dancing, etc)
This is what leads to there being so many different terms for them (eg. wedding gauntlet, "fingerless" gloves, etc.)

Nevertheless, these are the most similar gloves i could find, in reference to your examples:
1 2 3

Lastly, i do agree that although fashion is mostly unisex - this is an article of clothing is seen more on women. All the images you - yourself - linked, were of women.
But should that stop anyone from wearing them? Hell no!

Fashion is fashion. Wear what you want and don't worry so much about what others think / say.

Post #788305 - Reply to (#788303) by Tres
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First of all, Zarlan, please be more kind to people who are attempting to help you.
Whether you agree with their answers or not, they took time out of their day to try and resolve your question.

This.
I had to reread the responses on this thread since I couldn't understand why you became so aggressive towards those trying to help.


Post #788317 - Reply to (#788303) by Tres
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Quote from Tres
First of all, Zarlan, please be more kind to people who are attempting to help you.


Show me any instance here, where I have been, in any way rude, uncivil, unkind, or aggressive, in any way.
Do you think that any instance of disagreeing, pointing out that someone is wrong, or showing how they are wrong, is rude, uncivil, unkind, and/or aggressive?

Also, I am kind to those who attempt to help me.
IF they actually do attempt to help me.
I am not kind to people who reply without paying any attention to what they are replying to, nor to unreasonable/irrational statement, however.
(even less to stupid and/or dishonest ones, but I don't see that anyone's necessarily been guilty of that, here …well, until your comment, that is)
…and, again, I have not been, in any way, rude, uncivil, unkind, or aggressive, at all.

peterlewis' comment? All I see is a complete failure, to read my initial comment. No reason to be kind, that I can see. On the contrary …but I still made a neutral response.

saltylettuce's initial reply? Well, it was an attempt, which I appreciate (it would have been a bit weird, to include a "thanks for the attempt/effort, though", and that is certainly not something that pretty much ANYONE ever does …though maybe people should? Maybe I should have? Perhaps …but not doing so, is hardly something worthy of getting complaints about)

baiyang's initial reply…
In regards to the first bit, the same is true, as with saltylettuce's.
As for the tekkou-bit, I did give genuine (but then it was clearly not sarcasm, so that should go without saying) and heartfelt thanks for it.
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Secondly, this type to glove is most commonly seen in fictional setting

Not exactly.
Fictional and historical.
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sure, it exists in the real world too but they aren't so common place.

…these days.
You could say the same of, e.g., cloaks.
They were very common, back in the day …but almost "extinct", these days.
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As such, terminology for this styled glove / arm covering may not be universal but instead may reflect more on when or what setting they are commonly seen in.

Though what preceded the "as such" is invalid (as I explained above), what you say here may very well be true.
Just because I'd like it, for the garment to have a name, doesn't mean it actually has one.
…or even if it has one, that doesn't mean that anyone here knows the answer.
That is an obvious fact.
I knew that, even before I asked the question.
I was hoping that I might get some hints, or maybe even a clear good answer
…but I wasn't really expecting anything, and wouldn't have been surprised to get no more than a "dunno".
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This is what leads to there being so many different terms for them (eg. wedding gauntlet, "fingerless" gloves, etc.)

Have you not read what I've said, about them being called "fingerless" gloves?
No one has presented any evidence, that they are actually called that. (it would also make no sense, but that isn't proof that it isn't called that. What words people use, doesn't always make sense …but, as I've said: There is no evidence that they are called that)
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Lastly, i do agree that although fashion is mostly unisex - this is an article of clothing is seen more on women. All the images you - yourself - linked, were of women.

Your search was of Western modern fashion.
Not historical Japanese clothing.
As such, that "evidence" is completely irrelevant and worthless. (yes, that is a bit unkind …but as I said, I am not kind towards blatant idiocy)
What I have seen of it in manga/anime and other Japanese media (which, granted, isn't necessarily exactly the most reliable of sources… it's still waaaay better than your "source" ), however, is perfectly unisex.

Last edited by zarlan at 3:29 pm, Jan 22

Post #788318 - Reply to (#788305) by Contently
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This.
I had to reread the responses on this thread since I couldn't understand why you became so aggressive towards those trying to help.

Oh really?
Where and how, have I been even the tiniest bit aggressive, towards anyone? (excluding this post, and my reply to Tres)
The only aggression I see, is you and Tres, being passive-aggressive towards me, with baseless accusations.

Last edited by zarlan at 3:44 pm, Jan 22

Post #788320 - Reply to (#788317) by zarlan
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oh my god pls shut up😭😭

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Post #788321 - Reply to (#788320) by sloez
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oh my god pls shut up😭😭

Such a nice and kind, and oh so constructive comment… 🙄
Really contributes to the conversation… Maybe you should follow your own advice?

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