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6:29 pm, May 1 2021
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This week's poll was suggested by jacob66. If you believe in the death penalty, would you accept an alternative personality altering procedure in lieu of actual death?

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http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=3903

Previous Poll Results:
Question: Do you think time travel (to the past) will ever be possible?
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Yes - votes: 892 (24.2%)
There were 3684 total votes.
The poll ended: May 1st 2021

Now I'm curious if people think FTL is possible

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6:47 pm, May 1 2021
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That sounds a lot less humane than just killing someone. I imagine most people would prefer death, I know I would.

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7:50 pm, May 1 2021
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I voted for no, but for the sake of discussion:

If forcing someone to do a "personality" altering procedure, might I suggest that they'd be forced to do high school & college all over again? After all, these two institutions are essential in civilization's coexistence habits.

Seriously.

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8:19 pm, May 1 2021
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Always said that the best punishment would be to insert empathy in these fucks. To let them go through the rest of their lives in agony is far more fulfilling (in multiple ways) than just letting them get "nothing" for what they've done.

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8:23 pm, May 1 2021
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This topic was explored in a Babylon 5 episode, Season 3 Episode 4, "Passing Through Gethsemane." A serial killer who was sentenced to "death of personality" starts to remember his past. It was very moving.

BTW, I voted "I don't believe in the death penalty."

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9:40 pm, May 1 2021
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No and no to the death penalty. Not because I don't believe in it however. Some crimes should be punishable by death in my opinion but lets be real here... how many of you actual trust the system to not be at least partially corrupt, let alone competent in its judgement?

Better wrongfully incarcerated than executed even though both are abhorrent.

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9:40 pm, May 1 2021
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Forgo the death penalty in exchange for turning the murderer into a vegetable? Uh, no. I ALREADY have a problem with the fact that the justice system is designed around essentially rewarding criminals, by taxing the public, with what boils down to an all-expenses-paid vacation with room and board all paid for.

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11:13 pm, May 1 2021
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I don't believe in the death penalty. Life imprisonment is a worse punishment and the justice system is too flawed to be allowed to put people down.

A "humane lobotomy"? So many superhero stories about that. BatmanĀ“s rogues after Superman cut pieces out of their brains: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7owONdf3KU

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1:16 am, May 2 2021
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Not for nothing but what crime could a person commit in which the punishment is "oh we're going to erase your personality"? Who is that punishing? We aren't born with several personalities that we can pick or choose from, so no one is truly attached to their own personality. For me it's not a matter of if I support the death penalty (which I'm not above) or not, but I don't consider that a punishment for a crime. Say that this person was a serial X (murder, rapist, etc), does a change in personality sound like justice for the victim or loved ones of the victim? For me, no.

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3:50 am, May 2 2021
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Why would anyone think that a lobotomy would be a reasonable method of punishment for criminal behavior? There are obviously arguments for and against the death penalty, but that hardly seems like a viable alternative.

Criminals should ideally be rehabilitated and reintegrated. Therapy, psychiatric care and medication maybe, vocational courses, etc. Those are certainly "personality altering", albeit not as immediate. For cases deemed irredeemable (whatever that entails), I still think it's best to isolate them. Not driving a fckn rod through their brain, wherein you're probably looking at aftertreatment care for your likely now incapacitated convict.

Anyone else with other examples of a drastic "personality altering procedure"? All I can think of is the one from A Clockwork Orange, fictional of course.

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Anyone else with other examples of a drastic "personality altering procedure"? All I can think of is the one from A Clockwork Orange, fictional of course.

Shock therapy is a classic and still practiced, however it is poorly researched and the research that does exist only shows a 50% rate of "success" (Whatever the Hell that means).

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No. If the crime is horrible then anything but a death sentence is injustice to the victim and their family. Best thing to do is end the criminal's life. Also, forcibly changing someone's personality is downright nasty.

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I voted yes but it comes with some stipulations:

1) not with today's science. We have nothing that would conceivably function for this at all, but future alterations of brain chemicals (definitely NOT a lobotomy as in the example) could possibly work and be comparatively humane. To me. Something that would only take away a person's malice, essentially, could hypothetically exist.

2) not with today's justice system. I actual do believe in the death penalty but not given what we have today. The standard of evidence used in court proceedings today, "beyond a reasonable doubt", is frankly far too lax for something as final as death. Further, the death penalty can apply even in cases where a life wasn't taken, which is itself asinine.... The death penalty (or this hypothetical penalty) should only apply in cases where more than 1 life was successfully taken, and when a new standard of evidence, "beyond a shadow of a doubt", is in place. No amount of witness testimony should be enough for this. You need witnesses in addition to video in addition to any potential alibi being completed shattered. Juries nowadays will convict on "well I feel like it makes the most sense that...". If even a single person on the jury is even a tiny bit unsure about whether the defendant did something worthy of execution, then the entire verdict must be downgraded from death penalty to life in prison.

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4:16 am, May 4 2021
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Definitely not. The death penalty is already phased out in most sane developed countries. A forced personality-altering brain surgery would only be more expensive and more morally dubious.

Especially if it's anything like a lobotomy.

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9:21 am, May 4 2021
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you just make someone at best a husk that needs to be constantly cared for.

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I believe in the death penalty, however not in its current form. We have hd video, we have cameras everywhere, and shy of a serial killer confessing with proof, I think that unless we can positively id, track, and say who did what, death penalty is not applicable. however, if we can, then an express trip to death is warranted.

the system would be relatively easy, a 20~mp camera at the entrance getting a full body shot, it takes a pic every time someone comes in, and high res video will be able to track everyone who comes in passed that for id purposes.

if you have to have witnesses, or any flawed evidence, you are only applicable for life.

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