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Post #793441 - Reply to (#793431) by Peep
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Cancel Culture doesn't exist. It is a lie.
Dave Chapelle? Who punches down, by saying a lot of ignorant, wrong, and bigoted things about transgender people? (a lot of the rest of what he says is fine, and I've greatly enjoyed a lot of his earlier work …but the stuff he says about trans people, Cancel Culture, and a few other areas… It's just wrong, and not funny)
He is hardly cancelled, and continues to do NetFlix specials.

All the other "cancelled" people, are quite successful as well.
All are still celebrities and very able to voice their opinions in public mass media. (a privilege that 99% of people do not have)

Cancel Culture, is about rich powerful celebrities, being denied some shows/events/gigs/platforms, because the people who own those platforms (who are the ones who decide who gets to be there …and you or I certainly can't!) don't like them. Because they don't get the amount of applauds and/or laughs that they feel that they are entitled to.
In other words:
They feel like they are being oppressed, because people don't like/appreciate them as much as they think they should, and speak as if people have to like them and their jokes
…regardless of how dislikable and/or unfunny that they are.

None of them lose their livelihood, home, or anything. None of them get anywhere close to getting in any kind of danger. They are still rich, celebrities, and have massive reach.
…but because they don't get every privilege that they'd like to get, they get upset and play victim.
They go on big popular shows, to complain about how they have been censored, and aren't allowed to speak.

Liars and hypocrites, the lot of them.
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I personally avoid social media (don't have accounts) as it is a waste of time

…says the guy who just made a forum post…

Post #793443 - Reply to (#793441) by zarlan
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Dave Chapelle? Who punches down, by saying a lot of ignorant, wrong, and bigoted things about transgender people? (a lot of the rest of what he says is fine, and I've greatly enjoyed a lot of his earlier work …but the stuff he says about trans people, Cancel Culture, and a few other areas… It's just wrong, and not funny)
He is hardly cancelled, and continues to do NetFlix specials.

Probably because the government hands out money to companies who enforce diversity, so it's one of the few times where it's "worth it" to tell people to go pound salt? It isn't that far of a stretch to assume when companies like Ubisoft, who hasn't released a good or a non-broken game in almost a decade, funded their business almost entirely through grants from the Canadian, German, and Singapore governments since 2005.

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Oh wow, you mad lad, you actually made the poll. I'm going to avoid the comments because I'd rather not read anything from the saddest straw man if I can help it. Talk about people who are easily offended by what others say.

I don't think it's a hot take, but if you wouldn't say something to someone's face in real life, maybe don't say it. It's not a matter of offense when someone tells you why they are not comfortable with you saying something and you choose to ignore it. Or knowing that saying something would actively hurt someone. That's just called being a dick

There is a line, but it's not where I think a lot of people voting the second answer think it is, and it's fairly far into the heavy internet use spheres. Here's a recent example. Let's say Person A really likes Shounen Jump and Person B that Shounen Jump isn't really their thing. Person A might feel like Person B is invalidating a part of themselves because they've dedicated so much of their life on the internet reading, discussing, and loving Shounen Jump, so much so that it's become part of who they are. Person A goes on an entire rant in reply to Person B's fairly innocuous comment and again bringing up straw man arguments. And I hope I don't need to point out that liking Shounen Jump isn't a part of your identity and people who dislike Shounen Jump aren't going around trying to shut down Shounen Jump because they think it's shit or something (if you try to link me to some Japanese PTA trying to ban big titty 2D GFs, might I point you to the Straw Man again). You can replace Shounen Jump in this example with any interests, like music, video games, TV shows, etc. People devote so much into their interests that it seems like it becomes part of their core identity, and while I can relate to that, people saying they dislike the thing isn't something to get heated up over
Now, if someone went into a fan forum for the subject or something like that and ranted about how much they hated the subject and how everyone who likes it is a dumbass, that's just being mean and again, not something someone would say in real life. I'm not going to go to a Cilantro Lovers convention and say that I abhor that gross weed.

Post #793453 - Reply to (#793441) by zarlan
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…says the guy who just made a forum post…

Heh, I have had an account here for many years, and I don't really consider having a forum account to be social media, especially since it just goes with my mangalist account. You could call any form of communication "social media" if you were so inclined, but that is just playing semantics. I am certainly not the type to go on twitter/fb etc and cry over some policy that has no affect on me like so many others do.
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They tend to be very oversensitive, have very fragile egos

Fyi, from your posts you seem pretty sensitive, just throwing that out there (just Saiyin :3). This is just me (not sure about others), but I won't watch a 30 min YT video by a guy that can't look presentable because you were enamored by them.

I've not watched the Dave Chapelle special, or any actually, but you know what? When I try to get examples of the jokes by searching, I guess I will have to watch it at some point to find out - audience rating on it on RT is super high btw :3.
Why do you think transgender is some protected group? From what I understand he mocks black people, white people, Christians, Jews, Muslims, men, women. Why are transgender excluded from all jokes? There's a guy on YT, ruckaruckaali - he makes stupid joke songs that should not me taken seriously, he mocks at white people and Jewish despite being both of those.
If the movie "To Wong Foo" was made nowadays you'd have people angry over it and complaining on twitter and boycotting the actors over some perceived slight that appeared for 4 seconds. Transgender should stop seeking validation from other people, if they don't feel confident in what they are presenting, it is not everybody else's responsibility to reinforce them.

If people want to virtue signal, they can, yet you can see a lot of them are insane. Sending JK Rowling non stop death threats, death threats to a woman that claims she choose to be homosexual. What you have to realize is there are extremists on the supposed left and the right. Cancel culture is not "Rich people making less money", it is people being made afraid, having threats of violence or losing their jobs for having an opinion. They don't have to even be on current events, there are plenty of ne'er-do-well which are happy to go search through 12 years of person x's tweets to find something.
America itself protects the right to freedom of speech beyond that of the EU, in that offensive and even hate speech are protected. So what you have with cancel culture is people whom can't do anything legally so target people's employment, threaten to rape women because they did not like their opinion. It really is a sick trend.., but civil discourse will return when those people grow up/get arrested.

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Cancel Culture, is about rich powerful celebrities, being denied some

Interestingly I've found a lot of people that share your stance tend to dislike people with money, which is what I am picking up. I've lived in China, it might be communist in that the government really does own all the companies, but you won't find some socialist hand out culture there either.

One thing I think a lot of us can be thankful of, is that the PC/cancel culture has not infected the manga industry, at least not to a visible extent. I prefer authors make the best quality work for their fans, not worry about some overly vocal minority that will fine tooth comb anything for offence. The comicbook industry in the west is pretty much failing, they need to release like 20+ variant covers for some comics to make money. I am glad there is no space for people like Kelly Sue DeConnick: "Comics are political!" + "If you don't like my politics, don't buy my book". I've read her and some other SJW stuff and they were garbage, glad I read from an e-library instead of buying.

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The Chappelle example isn't the jokes being told in a vacuum, to the audience. context matters
The context is DC had a 'friend' that was a comedian and trans, named Daphne Dormer and was the opening act for several legs of his tour. That same 'friend' died a year ago by suicide, after some prolonged harassment/backlash from defending David from charges that he was transphobic.

Fast forward a year later to the special, and you have Daphne's name invoked to shame "the cancel culture" as being a contributing factor in her death(which is an outwardly good thing to do) but then have DC hoist the TERF Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist flag only minutes later and disavow any validation for the existence of his dead 'friend'.
It's a good thing Daphne was already dead; surely that act coming from someone they idolized their whole life and considered to be a good friend, would have killed her.
Most of the charges against DC is that Daphne was a comedy prop and was exploited. Even after death 😕

Trying to use dictionary definitions, or legalese to appropriate membership to a group is offensive.
Any man who says "I am the king" is no true king

I did get membership to a group at one time in the past; but I don't feel any entitlement to membership in a similar group even when the goals of the similar group are identical to the first group.

Post #793455 - Reply to (#793454) by Sugarshark
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Hold up, if I'm understanding this right, YOU are the ones committing a public offense.

On the first count, you're assuming one's opinions and views based solely upon how they express themselves publicly (That's called racism/sexism/etc.); not only of Chapelle, but also of his dead friend. On the second count, you are invoking the name of a dead person for no other reason than to create a witch-hunt. On the third count, you're committing the most basic form of tribalism, where you assume that because one criticizes or humors "A", that means they must subscribe to "B" (For example, you're declaring that Mel Brooks (A Jew) is a Nazi because he dressed up as Hitler in To Be Or Not To Be).

There's no other way to around it, you are the villains in this scenario.

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The Sopranos is one of the highest rated tv shows, it has a lot of depth of character, huge fan following, and some of the most hilarious and quotable dialogue, but if it would not be made today. Even David Chase the creator and producer said so, that people nowadays are too sensitive to let the go ahead. I wonder how many other great projects we have missed out on.
In my opinion, the majority of tv and movies coming out lately are trash, I'm not sure if that is because of a lack of decent writers or if showrunners have a proverbial sword of Damocles hovering over their heads if they offend anybody so they tow the line.

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DC hoist the TERF Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist flag only minutes later and disavow any validation for the existence of his dead 'friend'.

I do not understand that part - the hoisting flag part, what statement was made? I know that terf is women that do not accept MTF as women. I know a lot of "transgender", I think both sides have some merit, but I honestly do not believe people can ever change sex (the McLaughlin vs Provost "fight" was ugly) so spaces specific to a certain sex should be respected.

Oh, that is the context? Still, I don't believe there'd be such drama if it was only that though. People waste a lot of their energy on stupid issues like that though, they could using their platforms on issues such as the environment & pollution.
Some people deal with pain in different ways, some people use humour "That guy was such a s.o.b, remember when he.." etc. For a comedian to use their experiences to entertain is normal, they use their ex-wives/husbands, their kids, their mothers, their finances. Too many people want to put trans on a pedestal, which is silly because if people want to be accepted as normal they need to have the same duck water off back attitude everybody else has to take.
Censoring people just makes their supporters start to hate the vocal minority that drummed up the drama storm, which causes more separation and less understanding. It is through dialogue that people find understanding in each other.

Post #793460 - Reply to (#793453) by Peep
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you could call any form of communication "social media" if you were so inclined

social media (uncountable)
1. Interactive forms of media that allow users to interact with and publish to each other, generally by means of the Internet.
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Fyi, from your posts you seem pretty sensitive

How so?
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but I won't watch a 30 min YT video by a guy that can't look presentable because you were enamored by them.

So you dismiss the words of a person, due to their chosen style? (in this case: Intentionally dishevelled)
Because whether someone is correct, or has good/valuable information, depends on how they looks?
Yeah, 'cause that's not among the most pathetic kinds of ad hominem…
…and yet you accuse others, of engaging in "Cancel Culture"?

Oh, and speaking of Chappelle, specifically, and the whole "jokes about trans" thing.
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Why do you think transgender is some protected group?

For the same reason that any other unjustly oppressed and discriminated group is.
Also: They are viciously oppressed, discriminated, harassed, assaulted, and killed
…just because they exist. Just because of how they were born.
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From what I understand he mocks black people, white people, Christians, Jews, Muslims, men, women.

He doesn't deny any of those groups. He doesn't make false and slanderous statements about them.
…and the "mocking" is just teasing. Not serious or meant to be taken as being in any way true or factual.
The statements about trans people, however…
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Why are transgender excluded from all jokes?

They aren't.
There are plenty of jokes about transgender people, that people don't get upset about.
"Jokes" that are about stating lies about trans people, and presenting them as fact, however… (many of those not actually being jokes at all, but simply being non-joke comments, that have some jokes around them, with the jokes not actually being about trans people)
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If the movie "To Wong Foo" was…

Never heard of it.
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Transgender should stop seeking validation from other people

You're seriously saying that transgender people should stop seeking to be allowed to exist? To stop seeking to be free of harassment, discrimination, oppression, as well as great and justified fear of violence? (provoked by nothing other than their existence)
That they should stop seeking to be accepted as being the mental gender that, as is a clear biological fact, they were born as, and get rid of having to face discrimination by those who refuse to accept this biological fact?
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Sending JK Rowling non stop death threats

So because some people send her death threats, over her anti-trans bigotry, that means that any and all opposition to her statements are the same as sending her death threats?
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What you have to realize is there are extremists on the supposed left and the right.

That is both true, and irrelevant.
Also, the left has nowhere near as many extremists, as the right.
Especially in the US, where extremism is practically mainstream, on the right.
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it is people being made afraid, having threats of violence or losing their jobs for having an opinion.

That is a lie, as none of that has happened to any of them.
(well, they have gotten threats of violence, but all celebrities have that anyway. Especially those who voice an opinion on anything …regardless of which side of the issue they are, or what the issue is)
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America itself protects the right to freedom of speech

1. That is a preposterous lie.
2. Harassment is not protected speech. Nor is incitement to crime, assault, or discrimination.
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Interestingly I've found a lot of people that share your stance tend to dislike people with money, which is what I am picking up.

No, not people with money.
People with unearned wealth and/or power, who take all the profits, but don't pay for the things that let them gain the money, and do their very best to make sure that they don't.
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I've lived in China, it might be communist in that the government really does own all the companies

In both communism and "pure" socialism, companies are "socially" owned. I.e. they are either owned by the workers (thus decisions are made by the democratic decisions of those who work for the company), or by the State (i.e. decisions are made by the democratic decisions of those who live in the country)

In China, the companies are not owned by the government, but certainly controlled by them …but the government is not a democratic institution, but a fascistic one. The "communist" party rules with an iron fist, and does not allow for any opposition, so how the people vote, doesn't matter. The will of the people is not heard.
In other words:
China isn't communist.
No country is, has ever been, nor will any ever exist …as communism is about a revolution that is always, inevitably, hi-jacked by fascism. (note: fascism is far-right. Not left)
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One thing I think a lot of us can be thankful of, is that the PC/cancel culture has not infected the manga industry, at least not to a visible extent.

Yeah, because it is so great to have manga that promotes rape, slavery, torture, misogyny, discrimination, zealous nationalism, historical revisionism… etc etc 🙄
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they need to release like 20+ variant covers for some comics to make money.

Unlike Japan, where you have (moreso in anime, but also in manga) tons of generic variations of more-of-less the same old shit, over and over again, because the companies want to play it safe and release what they think is popular, because they are only concerned with making money and never making a loss, rather than trying to be innovative and creative.
…and focus on selling to a certain specific sub-group of lonely, pathetic, male otaku with unhealthy, fucked up, views on sex and women. (who are typically all virgins, who have never had a girlfriend …for very good reasons)
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Kelly Sue DeConnick

Never heard of her
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I've read her and some other SJW stuff and they were garbage

So because one or two people, who make stuff that isn't bigoted, are "garbage", that means that no comics can be good, unless they are bigoted?
…and is this not simply you considering them to be garbage, because you don't agree with their politics?
(and yes: all comics, books, films, shows… all narratives, are political. That is an unavoidable fact)
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I know that terf is women that do not accept MTF as women.

Feminist does not mean woman.
TERF is Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist.
Nothing about TERF, means that you are a woman.
…and regardless of whether it does or not: Dave Chappelle has stated, clearly and unambiguously, that he is a TERF.
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but I honestly do not believe people can ever change sex

There are plenty of people who have gone through sex reassignment therapy.
As a result, they go from being physicall male, to being physicall female, or vice versa.
Granted, the process isn't perfect, but in all the ways that actually matter, it's mostly pretty effective.

No person can change their gender identity, their mental gender, however.
That is, and always will be, the gender that you were born with. (which, in the case of trans people, isn't the same as their physical sex. That is what makes them trans. Well, except transvestites. They just like to dress as the opposite sex. They shouldn't really be regarded as a sub-group of transgender, as their physical sex and gender identity perfectly align)
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so spaces specific to a certain sex should be respected.

That depends?
Is there really any valid or justifiable reason, to separate the spaces?
In the case of toilets: No. No there is not even the faintest hint, of a reason.
They should all the unisex.
If there is reason to separate:
Is the separation (and should it be) actually about physical sex, or is it about gender identity?
Issues of physical sex should separate according to physical sex, and issues of gender identity should be separated according to gender identity.

This is an issue where I completely disagree with most pro-trans people on. As far as I am concerned, they are (in this issue) mixing up and equivocating sex and gender:
Public showers and changing rooms (as well as toilets that insist on not being unisex) are about sex. Not gender.
There is no sane or non-sexist argument, for why they should be separated according to gender, but plenty for why they should be by sex.
As such, a pre-/non-op trans-male should go to the ladies showers, but post-op trans-men should go in the gentlemens showers.
(for intersex people, things get more complicated)

Also, when it comes to sport, the issues are about the athletic advantages that (physical) men get, that no amount of sex reassignment therapy can ever erase. (if it's done before puberty, however, there is probaly nothing to erase)
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People waste a lot of their energy on stupid issues like that though

You are wasting a lot of your energy on it
…and how is it a "stupid issue", when it is about a group of people that are severely oppressed, discrinminated, assaulted, killed, driven to suicide…
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Too many people want to put trans on a pedestal

Oh really?
Like who?
When?
Where?
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which is silly because if people want to be accepted as normal they need to have the same duck water off back attitude everybody else has to take.


Yeah, the slaves should have just accepted their enslavement, with a duck water off back attitude…
As should the Jews have accepted their circumstances, in Nazi Germany…
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Censoring people

No "victim" of "Cancel Culture", has been censored.
Not a single one.
Not ever.
So stop spreading your lies.

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You could classify a family fridge board or a local community centre as social media if you wanted, the fact is you are just arguing semantics, you knew fully well what I was saying when I said to avoid social media. You just pick every hill to die on.

Why do you appear aggressive and sensitive? I never went through you 300+ posts because that'd be a waste of time, but in this thread you seem to feel the need to confront everybody that does not support your views. I mean, it is fine to talk, you just seem perturbed by something else.

The guy looks like a stoner ver of Will Wheaton. I don't watch Phillip De Franco either btw, he looks less like he crawled out of a ditch, but I am not interested in that type of "news". It has more to do with the duration, 30+ mins I'd watch if it were some programming tutorial or something. I have a friend that wastes time watching 1 hr videos, but that's cause he does not have kids or any priorities beyond that.

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For the same reason that any other unjustly oppressed and discriminated group is.
Also: They are viciously oppressed, discriminated, harassed, assaulted, and killed
…just because they exist. Just because of how they were born.

They are not oppressed though. Women in the middle east are oppressed, in certain parts of India and Asia. Black peeps were oppressed in America before till the 1970's, the Turks used to take Europeans as slaves, the Vikings took other Europeans as slaves. The Ainu/Utari of Japan were oppressed.
Trans are not oppressed, they just want more than other people are willing to give them in an already generous society. Normal people are killed too, obviously murder is bad, but you don't need much reasons to kill when you are insane. There is a "gay panic" and I think trans panic defense though, so you've got that point to an extent, but the motivation behind the trans one is somewhat understandable as a defense.


Really? It is a decent movie, I saw part of it years ago, and watched with my wife the other day. It is about 3 drag queens, Patrick Swayze, Wesley Snipes, and a Latino one.

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You're seriously saying that transgender people should stop seeking to be allowed to exist?


Hyperbole. I never said that. I said they should not expect validation from other people; external validation. Instead they should seek validation internally rather than getting angry at staff that call them "sir" when they look like a dude. If you decide to get a mohawk tomorrow, don't expect everybody to think it looks awesome, get the mohawk because YOU want it, not try to force everybody to love it.
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That they should stop seeking to be accepted as being the mental gender that, as is a clear biological fact, they were born as

Biological mental gender...? You like videos, have one of Blaire White talking about genders, it's 7 mins, and the gender vs sex thing is within the first 2 mins, I cbb to find the exact time though.

She is not a bigot, she was a woman that was domestically abused and she wants to protect safe spaces for women. UK recently shot down a controversial proposal of being able to "define you own gender on the fly" type thing.
It shows the rotten core that is the supporters, that they'd go after a woman that has brought joy to children and been domestically abused.. then threaten to rape and kill her. Sure, why don't I sign up to support the KKK too if I am supporting that? Of course it reflects badly on what they represent.

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Also, the left has nowhere near as many extremists, as the right.
Especially in the US, where extremism is practically mainstream, on the right.

Antifa? There was a school teacher with an ANTIFA flag and chairman mao picture in his office recently fired. Heard of the bs that is critical race theory? Even black folks have problems with this racist crap being pushed by the left to indoctrinate kids.
If I wanted to be pedantic, I could argue if everybody on the right is an extremists then extremism in that sense ceases to exist since that's half the pop, huh.

People have had their businesses targeted for not wanting to bake cakes, radio hosts fired for their personal views they never expressed on air, the martial arts chick from Mandalorian was fired from the show because she did not list her pronouns when it is obvious she is a woman.

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Hate speech in the United States cannot be directly regulated due to the fundamental right to freedom of speech protected by the Constitution.1 While “hate speech” is not a legal term in the United States, the U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled that most of what would qualify as hate speech in other western countries is legally protected free speech under the First Amendment.

The right to free speech is enshrined in the constitution, it is one fo the core values of America as a country. Incitement of a crime usually need a specific example, such as I told Nunzio and you to go steal some bread for me, it usually does not apply in open ended things. As I said earlier, threatening to kill JK Rowling and others and calling for people to send threats does not reflect well on that side.

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People with unearned wealth and/or power, who take all the profits, but don't pay for the things that let them gain the money, and do their very best to make sure that they don't.

So you have a problem with inheriting stuff? Of course I am living my stuff to my kids, most people will, and if they are smart they will do it in a way that avoids inheritance tax (theft). On the other hand, maybe you mean like JEff Bezos, getting rich while paying workers crap benefits, yeah that sucks, but that is because the government does not enforce minimum standards. I don't agree with that.
Still, it is a free market, nothing is stopping them making the next google, there are libraries to go learn stuff too and they have the internet which is a grand repository of knowledge.
In Hong Kong people rent subdivided apartments for around 650$ usd a month at around 100 sq foot (maybe 10 m2), I've heard of couples living inside with kids.. The apartments will usually be divided into 4-10 of these rooms. Why have a kid in that scenario, why not study more, when they are from a developed country people have the life they give themselves.

No, they are owned. If you want to open a company in China then you need a Chinese citizen as your partner, generally they should be a member of the CCP. China is not a socialist country, but it is a communist one. They want alibaba group? Boom, Jack Ma is gone and the government now has the money. Antfinance funding Xi's enemy Jiang Zemin? Gone.

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Yeah, because it is so great to have manga that promotes rape, slavery, torture, misogyny, discrimination, zealous nationalism, historical revisionism

Damn, Berserk would never get released if they banned those, a lot of cool manga would not have. Those things are part of the world, we can't box them away and pretend they never exist or do not exist. I won't watch/read stuff that glorifies it though, not into torture porn or any of that.
It is a slippery slope though, I skimmed through your reading list, you have some erotica, what if the person after you decides sexual stuff should be banned. Later we are just left with Power Rangers and Care Bears because those are not deemed offensive.

Nah dude, variant covers aint a different issue, it is the SAME issue haha. Like a limited edition thing, but not limited, they do this a crap ton in comics these days cause comics are not selling well.
Hey! I actually gotta agree with you there on a lot of that. Man, I hate that type of culture, it is so lame. I'd be ashamed of my son if they were 16-18 and could not lift 20kg and was scared of any exercise, the parents coddle their kids too much, but a lot of them have mental disorders. Some are LGBT (which has a higher rate of mental disorders than normal people), but a lot are just outcasts of the system.
I never liked staying in Tokyo much though, felt cold. Naha on the other hand was friendly and people were warm and welcoming.
Speaking of the otaku, my wife was telling me about some news she read years ago about these weird vagina moulds or something, but they were child sized and the packaging had this moe young anime girl on it, that's screwed up.
I've only watched like 2 anime movies in the last 10 years or something, Spirited Away and Your Name, not watched any series, I got turned off a lot of it having the same character design done by computers instead of hand drawn, or dull stories. Might try some later. I read manga at the same times I read books, usually while travelling or some type of low attention needed exercise machine like a bike.

You're not missing much by not reading her, Pretty Deadly was pretty boring.

I read some other stuff by other people cause I am open, but I am not interested in a story with an agenda, the author should just try to tell a good story, not shoe horn something political in there. If it is a good story that happens to be political then sure.
I like "The Prince and the Dressmaker" (I think I gave it 4 or 5 stars on goodreads, I forgot), was that bigoted, or does that not serve your needs to claim that I am a bigot? Claiming I only like "bigoted" comics does not serve you very well :3. I just don't want an agenda pushed down my throat, "I am not Starfire" was trash, and weird for a leftist comic since it "Slut shamed" Starfire at various points. Everybody has a bias, sure. Does that mean their bias has to be plastered across the art form they have control over? If they like, but they are going to alienate people, and likely make a bad story.
I can't presently recall the name, but there was an interesting comic about autistic girl I was reading to understand them better, if I remember it later I could PM you it. I liked the art in Watersnakes, pretty sure that was some coming of age, maybe lesbian story. I don't really like too much superhero stuff, actually if I recommended one comic publisher to you, it'd be Europe Comics.

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In my opinion, the majority of tv and movies coming out lately are trash, I'm not sure if that is because of a lack of decent writers or if showrunners have a proverbial sword of Damocles hovering over their heads if they offend anybody so they tow the line.

Biggest assumption I've seen people come to is that majority of today's media was created as a product to appeal to women (Because of the 2000's mindset that "Women hold the purse-strings", and, yes, they do teach that in "Advertising 101" ). Nothing wrong with that in-and-of-itself (Hell, shoujo like Sailor Moon and Futari wa Precure is insanely popular with everyone), however, surprise surprise, most people like media that appeals to men.

That being said, things have only gotten even worse over the past decade because, as I referenced earlier, the government incentivizes investing retirement funds into companies who enforce so-called "diversity and equity", so media companies are focussing less on appealing to women and more on appealing to whatever political ideals the current government administration has.

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they could using their platforms on issues such as the environment & pollution.

They can't do that because China and India are the source of almost 90% of the pollution in the world, and watch as they heel turn on the issue when that's brought up.

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Too many people want to put trans on a pedestal, which is silly because if people want to be accepted as normal they need to have the same duck water off back attitude everybody else has to take.

That's where you misunderstand, they DO NOT wanted to be treated as "equals". What they WANT is to be treated as better than everyone else.

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So you dismiss the words of a person, due to their chosen style? (in this case: Intentionally dishevelled)
Because whether someone is correct, or has good/valuable information, depends on how they looks?

The only reasonable answer is yes. The way people look tends to reflect their views. That's not always the case (As I said earlier), but it's a good rule to abide by in general. That's also beside the fact that it's infamously known that you can have two people saying the same exact things, but each presenting it in a different manner, and people respond better to one person over the other because of that.

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It's an hour long video...
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For the same reason that any other unjustly oppressed and discriminated group is. ... Just because of how they were born.

Oh, no, it's retarded. It's comparing a fetish to race and sex.

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You're seriously saying that transgender people should stop seeking to be allowed to exist?

You know what, YES, I DO, JUST SO THAT I WOULDN'T HAVE TO PUT UP WITH ALL THIS BITCHING ALL THE TIME. I never asked for these people to exist, and I can't think of a single sane person that would, so why not tell them that they can't exist?

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Also, the left has nowhere near as many extremists, as the right.

And, all the Burning, and Looting, and Murdering last year doesn't count, because...?

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People with unearned wealth and/or power, who take all the profits, but don't pay for the things that let them gain the money, and do their very best to make sure that they don't.

If you believe in that so heavily, are you going to delete your social media accounts? And cancel you streaming subscriptions? And, stop ordering everything off of Amazon? And, turn off the news? If you don't do ANY and ALL of that, you're making your statement invalid as your proving that those companies and people have EARNED their wealth and power through your continued usage of their services and products.

THAT WAS THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE UNITED STATES! It gave private citizens the power to decided who does and does not deserve to succeed and reap the rewards of that. We're not like every other country on the planet, where companies are either owned by the government or fund their business entirely on government grants. Even that link I quoted earlier points out the EGS Funds are for investing, essentially bonds/stocks that will need to be paid back later.

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No country is, has ever been, nor will any ever exist …as communism is about a revolution that is always, inevitably, hi-jacked by fascism. (note: fascism is far-right. Not left)

How can a "Far Left" ideology be hijacked by a "Far Right" ideology in any and all circumstances unless (1) there is nothing distinguishing the two in the first place or (2) the "Far Left" do something so egregiously horrific that they cause the pendulum to swing back in the opposite direction with even greater force?

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Yeah, because it is so great to have manga that promotes rape, slavery, torture, misogyny, discrimination, zealous nationalism, historical revisionism… etc etc

Care to list actual examples? The only things coming to mind are hentai, unless you're taking series like Joshikousei Nobunaga-chan!! and Bonnou Saiyuuki as blatant fact.

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who are typically all virgins, who have never had a girlfriend …for very good reasons

Because they have no money (Outside of welfare) as a result of the Japanese market crashing back in the 90's, and their only option to make money is to slave away at an 18 hour job that would result in them not seeing their spouse anyway (Outside of Sundays)?

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Nothing about TERF, means that you are a woman.

Doesn't that open the possibility that there are trannies who could be identified as "TERFs"? And, doesn't that make the entire issue extremely stupid that you're getting your panties in a wad over this?

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Yeah, the slaves should have just accepted their enslavement, with a duck water off back attitude…
As should the Jews have accepted their circumstances, in Nazi Germany…

Couple issues with those remarks. First, in almost every single culture that has practiced slavery, slaves did have the ability to BUY their freedom. So, at the end of the day, remaining a slave is a choice. Second, Hitler did give the Jews several options: they had the choice to pack up everything and leave on their own funds, they had the option to have the German government fund their immigration to Palestine or Madagascar, and they had the option to join the army (But, only if you were is half-Jewish).

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Later we are just left with Power Rangers and Care Bears because those are not deemed offensive.

That's where you're wrong. Power Rangers is "offensive" because it depicts people using violence to solve problems. And, Care Bears is offensive because they show "world" is tailored towards enticing people to treat others in certain ways instead of allowing for a diversity of opinions and how people can be treated.

And, then there's China, where they banned Ultraman.

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you knew fully well what I was saying when I said to avoid social media.

This is social media, by any definition.
I'm not "just arguing semantics" or twisting word. I'm just stating obvious fact …while you're saying no more than "nuh uh", and proving that you have no case, whatsoever.
I'll not waste my time with bother to respond to further pointless "nuh uh"s.
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Why do you appear aggressive and sensitive?…

…and you then proceed to not even attempt to answer the question, but just simply repeat the baseless accusation. To no ones surprise.
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It has more to do with the duration

Ah. So you have low attention span, and refuse to get to any depth or nuance on any issue? (except programming, I suppose? Better than nothing, I suppose)
Again: Not surprising.
You're clearly fine with spending 30+ minutes on writing forum posts, though.
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They are not oppressed though.


You are either lying, or wilfully ignorant.
If it's the latter, then I must say that I'm impressed at how you've been able to achieve it.
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Hyperbole. I never said that.

It's exactly what you said, and you know it!
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She is not a bigot

The video you linked to, is a video where she demonstrates that she is a bigot.
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she was a woman that was domestically abused and she wants to protect safe spaces for women.

None of that is relevant, in any way. It is nothing more than an ad hominem fallacy.
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UK recently shot down a controversial proposal of being able to "define you own gender on the fly" type thing.

I agree that, that would be going way too far …but that's beside the point.
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It shows the rotten core that is the supporters, that they'd go after a woman that has brought joy to children and been domestically abused


Let's look at a part of my comment, that you chose to ignore:
"So because some people send her death threats, over her anti-trans bigotry, that means that any and all opposition to her statements are the same as sending her death threats?"
Not only did you have no way to defend your statement that paints all critics of JK Rowling as the same as the miniscule part who make death threats …but you repeat the same dishonest bullshit.
Again.
Even more clearly and eggregiously.

Oh, and you do realise that if we're going to use that standard…
There are plenty of people on your side of the argument, who have not only made threats of violence/death/rape, but who have assaulted, killed and/or raped.

…and speaking of which, why not look at other things that you shy away from, and try to sweep under the rug, to hide the fact that you simply have no way to even attempt to justify what you've said (go back and check my comment, to see what I was replying to, where neccesary):

"He doesn't deny any of those groups. He doesn't make false and slanderous statements about them.
…and the "mocking" is just teasing. Not serious or meant to be taken as being in any way true or factual.
The statements about trans people, however…"

"They aren't.
There are plenty of jokes about transgender people, that people don't get upset about.
"Jokes" that are about stating lies about trans people, and presenting them as fact, however… (many of those not actually being jokes at all, but simply being non-joke comments, that have some jokes around them, with the jokes not actually being about trans people)"

"That is a lie, as none of that has happened to any of them.
(well, they have gotten threats of violence, but all celebrities have that anyway. Especially those who voice an opinion on anything …regardless of which side of the issue they are, or what the issue is)"

"Feminist does not mean woman.
TERF is Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist.
Nothing about TERF, means that you are a woman.
…and regardless of whether it does or not: Dave Chappelle has stated, clearly and unambiguously, that he is a TERF."

"There are plenty of people who have gone through sex reassignment therapy.
As a result, they go from being physicall male, to being physicall female, or vice versa.
Granted, the process isn't perfect, but in all the ways that actually matter, it's mostly pretty effective.

No person can change their gender identity, their mental gender, however.
That is, and always will be, the gender that you were born with. (which, in the case of trans people, isn't the same as their physical sex. That is what makes them trans. Well, except transvestites. They just like to dress as the opposite sex. They shouldn't really be regarded as a sub-group of transgender, as their physical sex and gender identity perfectly align)"

"You are wasting a lot of your energy on it
…and how is it a "stupid issue", when it is about a group of people that are severely oppressed, discrinminated, assaulted, killed, driven to suicide…"

"Oh really?
Like who?
When?
Where?"

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Yeah, the slaves should have just accepted their enslavement, with a duck water off back attitude…
As should the Jews have accepted their circumstances, in Nazi Germany…"

"No "victim" of "Cancel Culture", has been censored.
Not a single one.
Not ever.
So stop spreading your lies."
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Antifa?

Ah, so you condemn people who are anti-fascist?
So do you promote tolerance/accceptance of fascism, or pro-fascism?
…and you do realise that antifa protestors are no more violent or problematic, than any other protestors? That most violence that has occured, during antifa protests, has either been caused by counter-protestors or police?

…and you do know, that it is a well established fact, that the vast majority of terrorism in the US and in Europe, is perpetrated not by islamists, ANTIFA, the left wing, BLM, or any other such group that you or Fox News would like to portray as the greatest threats
…but by right wing extremists! (and that's excluding islamist, even though they are all right wing extremists)
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Heard of the bs that is critical race theory?

It isn't bullshit, and if I asked you to explain what it is, you wouldn't be able to answer.
You do realise that NO pupil/student learns about CRT, in K-12 education in the US, or anywhere else?
It's a college/university level, judicial subject, which looks into how laws can have racist outcomes, regardless of whether or not they have any racist intent.
What Fox "news" and others dishonestly try to indoctrinate conservatives to believe, however, is that it is teaching kids what racism is, and about how the US has done horrible racist things (these are undeniable historical facts)
…and that this, for some unexplained reason, would make them hate the US and white people.
Which, of course, it wouldn't. Why would it? It makes absolutely no sense.

Want to talk about indoctrination of kids?
How about the fact that they are all required to say the Pledge of Allegience, every school day? Like in a cult.
No other country (a few of the most cult-y fascistic ones aside), has anything that even remotely resembles that.
Or even a Pledge of Allegience, at all.
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People have had their businesses targeted for not wanting to bake cakes

No, but people have been sued for refusing to bake cakes for gay people, despite being a cake shop, open for the public …and therefore having to bake cakes for everyone, including gays.
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radio hosts fired for their personal views they never expressed on air

The problem with that being…?
Just because they didn't express it on air, doesn't mean that the listeners don't know them. A radio show has the choice of who to have on air, and thereby represents them.
If they fired the guy who just takes care of the equipment, for comments he made outside of his job, that would be unacceptable, but…
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the martial arts chick from Mandalorian was fired from the show because she did not list her pronouns when it is obvious she is a woman.

That isn't why she was fired, and you know it!
…and why would Disney want to be represented by, and be seen to promote, someone who is hated by the public, and therefore gives them huge bad PR, and would result in massive economic losses?
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The right to free speech is enshrined in the constitution…


None of what you said, addresses what I said, much less answers it.
Well, you did say "Incitement of a crime usually need a specific example"
…but that is completely irrelevant to this discussion. (and also something I am fully aware of)
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So you have a problem with inheriting stuff?

Not completely, but yes.
A bit of inheritance is fine, but after a certain amount there should be a significant inheritance tax. The tax rate should (much as income tax) increase, exponentially, the higher the taxed amount is …but be a lot higher than income tax.
The same needs to apply to gifts. (most gifts, given/recieved by normal people, would be of too low a value to be taxed, of course)
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Of course I am living my stuff to my kids

…and under most systems of inheritance tax (including how I'd want it to be), they'd get to inherit it all.
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and if they are smart they will do it in a way that avoids inheritance tax (theft).

Avoiding inheritance tax is theft.
Inheritance tax, is not.
What have your kids done, to earn what you leave them?
Nothing. Nothing whatsoever.
That said:
What you leave them, doesn't rise to the level that would be taxed, anyway.
[quote]maybe you mean like JEff Bezos, getting rich while paying workers crap benefits,[quote]
Not just crap (if any) benefits, but also as low a wage as he can get away with, torturous and inhumane working condition etc etc
…all the while he pays practically no tax.
Despite benefiting from tax payer funded roads, schools (his employees need to have some level of education), healthcare (his employees need to be healthy) etc etc
…not to mention the money that Amazon and other of his companies, have recieved directly from the government.
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Still, it is a free market

No it isn't.
Not even close.
It's a market that is heavily stacked in favour of the rich and established.
Big companies get money, resources, laws changed in their favour, the ability to pay as much/little in tax as they want, getting practially no punishments for breaking the law… (meaning that they are, effectively, above the law)
I could go on.
[quote]nothing is stopping them making the next google,
You do realise that Google was funded by plenty of tax payer money, right?
Also, while I'm not sure if the founders were filhty rich, like Elon Musk was from birth, but they were far from poor.
People who actually go from rags to riches, are nearly non-existent.
Especially in the US, which has among the worst rates of social mobility. If you are born to poor parents, you'll almost certainly stay poor.

The notion that you can succeed, if you just work hard, is no more than a myth.
The hardest working people, are poor and unable to get ahead.
The richest people don't work hard at all.
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In Hong Kong…


You seriously just ignored what I pointed out about China, and just repeat your ignorant nonsense?
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China is not a socialist country, but it is a communist one.

I have already pointed out how it is neither.
It is a far-right wing fascistic state.
Pretty much a dictatorship.
One man owning everything, isn't communism.
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Damn, Berserk would never get released if they banned those

Berserk NEVER promotes or condones those things.
It portrays those things, sure, but they are always presented as bad/horrible.
Nothing I've said comes anywhere close to even hinting at the notion that they shouldn't be portrayed.
Quite the contrary.
So why are you acting as if I did?
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Nah dude, variant covers aint a different issue

I never addressed variant covers, or even bothered to find out what that is. (I'm guessing it's just literal, as in just different covers, on the same issue of the same comic?)
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I actually gotta agree with you there on a lot of that. Man, I hate that type of culture, it is so lame. I'd be ashamed of my son if they were 16-18 and could not lift 20kg and was scared of any exercise

WTF are you talking about?
I never mentioned physical strength, nor do I think you've got to be particularly strong.
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the parents coddle their kids too much


I agree that a lot of parents, especially in the US, coddle their kids too much (though US parents seem to be too strict, in some areas)
…but I'm pretty sure that we have very differing views on what is or isn't coddling, and how much is too much.
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but a lot of them have mental disorders.


Not in any way that is relevant to this discussion.
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Some are LGBT (which has a higher rate of mental disorders than normal people)

The higher rate of mental disorders, is due to the discrimination that they suffer from. (though in the case of trans people, it's probably also due to the issue of being in a body that doesn't fit your gender)
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but a lot are just outcasts of the system.


Some of whom? (BTW, the fact that you skip having quotes of what you reply, in your replies, makes you comment confusing and bothersome to understand) If we're talking about the pathetic otaku, who are the main demographic of anime studios, they are outcasts due to being the terrible way that they are.
Well, granted, they may have fallen into social circles that taught them to be that way, due to being outcast everywhere else…
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but they were child sized

Yeah, the weird sexual fascination young teenage girls (the later of which is okay, among teenagers, but I'm clearly talking about adults, well removed from their teens here) and, far worse, lolis… I mean, I get that there'd be some, but the fact that it is pretty much mainstream…
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I read some other stuff by other people cause I am open

I doubt that.
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but I am not interested in a story with an agenda

Agenda or not, all narratives has politics.
(BTW, I dislike it, when something is clearly shoehorned/forced in. Even if it is a moral/political message that I agree with. It feels forced and awkward, and distracts from the story. [also a complaint against pretty much all fanservice] It should simply be a natural bit of the narrative)
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was that bigoted, or does that not serve your needs to claim that I am a bigot?

"I liked this work that is woke, so therefore I can't be bigoted", is pretty much like the old "I can't be racist, I have a black friend" line.
You liking that work, doesn't erase the rest of your views, or what you've said about trans people.

Granted, it means that you don't completely disregard all works that are inclusive, as being garbarge …but that isn't much, and it doesn't show that you don't still dismiss a lot of works as garbage, due to their being too woke for your liking, or otherwise disagreeing with your politics.
Also, I'd like to point out that The Prince and the Dressmaker is completely and fundamentally about being trans. The whole thing is about it. (what kind of trans, I can't know without reading it)
you liking it, whilst complaining about works having agendas plastered all over, shoehorned, and pushed down your throat…
Quite ironic.
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I just don't want an agenda pushed down my throat

Mm, because people who are different, just existing and wanting to be treated like human beings, is them pushing it down your throught…
Oh, and who forced you to read those books/comics, exactly?
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weird for a leftist comic since it "Slut shamed" Starfire at various points.

I haven't read it, but…
1. Does it slutshame Starfire? …or the MEN who draw/write her, and decide how she looks and behaves, and what she says?
2. There are people on the left who are prudish, and people who are a bit too loose about sexual matters. The left isn't a monolith.
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Does that mean their bias has to be plastered across the art form they have control over?

Yes.
Also, "not being bigoted" is hardly something you'd call a "bias".
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If they like, but they are going to alienate people, and likely make a bad story.

No, and no.

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If it's the latter, then I must say that I'm impressed at how you've been able to achieve it.

If the "oppression" is so damn obvious, why don't you provide links showing it?

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"So because some people send her death threats, over her anti-trans bigotry, that means that any and all opposition to her statements are the same as sending her death threats?"

And, if the situation was reversed, you'd be treating it as if it was a war crime.

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Ah, so you condemn people who are anti-fascist?

Can you actually define what "Fascism" is? My understanding is that it's the most extreme form of Socialism, where even the populace of a country is "owned" by the government; as opposed to Marxism and Nazism, where the populace still retain some level of autonomy, and it's only possessions that are deemed "public goods".

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…and you do know, that it is a well established fact, that the vast majority of terrorism in the US and in Europe, is perpetrated not by islamists, ANTIFA, the left wing, BLM, or any other such group that you or Fox News would like to portray as the greatest threats

Are you talking about the government? And, how they keep making extremist honeypots for no other reason than to justify their ludicrous budget?

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It isn't bullshit, and if I asked you to explain what it is, you wouldn't be able to answer.

"Critical Race Theory" is the concept that all of society is created with a racial bias in mind, that it infects all levels from the simple words one writes on a page to the highest forms of government. The theory is that there's nothing wrong with CRT as long as a society remains entirely homogeneous. However, the moment an "outsider" is introduced into the picture, then an issue arises because that "outsider" doesn't belong in that society. And, there are two ways of solving this issue. The first is to become entirely isolationist. The second is to have said society destroy any and all works established and created prior to this "outsider" entering into society, and must be re-established, with the "outsider's" involvement, so that society can more easily adjust to the "outsider" now living there.

Long story short, it's the racist ideal that blacks cannot live in white societies or that whites cannot live in black societies without said society having to be rebuilt from scratch.

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No other country (a few of the most cult-y fascistic ones aside), has anything that even remotely resembles that.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Oath_of_allegiance

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No, but people have been sued for refusing to bake cakes for gay people, despite being a cake shop, open for the public …and therefore having to bake cakes for everyone, including gays.
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The problem with that being…?

So, you're saying that people should only be denied services depending on the situation?

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Just because they didn't express it on air, doesn't mean that the listeners don't know them.

"He committed a crime in his mind, therefore we should punish him."

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…and why would Disney want to be represented by, and be seen to promote, someone who is hated by the public, and therefore gives them huge bad PR, and would result in massive economic losses?

I don't know why they haven't fired Kathleen Kennedy yet. That's the million dollar question.

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A bit of inheritance is fine, but after a certain amount there should be a significant inheritance tax. The tax rate should (much as income tax) increase, exponentially, the higher the taxed amount is …but be a lot higher than income tax.
The same needs to apply to gifts. (most gifts, given/recieved by normal people, would be of too low a value to be taxed, of course)

Why? Why are you punishing people who manage to succeed in society? Why are you punishing people who want their children to live better lives than they did?

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Not just crap (if any) benefits, but also as low a wage as he can get away with, torturous and inhumane working condition etc etc

Then, don't work at Amazon. Employees are the ones holding all the cards in that scenario. If you don't like how your boss is treating you, then leave for another job.

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…all the while he pays practically no tax.

Those are tax laws anyone and EVERYONE can benefit from and use. One of the reasons why I'm part of a resale franchise is so that I can take advantage of those laws, and have been getting a couple hundred back from the IRS every year as a result. You can too.

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…not to mention the money that Amazon and other of his companies, have recieved directly from the government.

Then, why don't you lobby to STOP giving him money. That would solve more problems than demanding that the government solve the problem the government created.

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Big companies get money, resources, laws changed in their favour, the ability to pay as much/little in tax as they want, getting practially no punishments for breaking the law… (meaning that they are, effectively, above the law)

If things are so helpless, why don't you fellate a shotgun and get it over with?

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You seriously just ignored what I pointed out about China, and just repeat your ignorant nonsense?

Hong Kong is NOT China.

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Berserk NEVER promotes or condones those things.

Can you give us examples of stories that do promote "rape, slavery, torture, misogyny, discrimination, zealous nationalism, historical revisionism… etc etc"?

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Mm, because people who are different, just existing and wanting to be treated like human beings, is them pushing it down your throught…

I don't know, if they want to be treated like everyone else, why don't they ACT like everyone else?

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Does that mean their bias has to be plastered across the art form they have control over?

Yes.

Thanks for explaining that you one of the most superficial motherfuckers on the internet.

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I already told you what I was pertaining to. Yawn.

:3. Sure, buddy, you're not aggressive at all, if you want to believe that. You do seem to embrace the whole mental perception = reality.
I looked at your post history the other day briefly and you accused transdude of being a troll, but he does not troll at all from my PoV and he is perfectly willing to cite sources for his claims.

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You're clearly fine with spending 30+ minutes on writing forum posts, though.

Oh, it is an attention span issue now is it? I had wondered how long before you put that card into play. You can't summarize your points so instead you drop me a video thinking he will argue for you? Am I supposed to be impressed?
Yes, I totally take 30 minutes to type a response haha. Dude, nobody in my class typed at such a snail pace. I type at over 100 words per minute when I want to, then it is just a quick spell check for typos. I feel bad for you if you are investing 30 mins per response, but then you feel 1hr+ video on nonsense is a good investment so I guess you are NEET.

Transgender are not oppressed because you just freely admitted earlier that they can not change their sex, they just make believe they are whatever sex they want to be at any given point. "Mental gender", thanks, you have agreed transgender do not exist unless somebody voluntarily chooses to be one. Forming a category that anybody cna join at any time with no prerequisites is funny, but then insisting that the perfectly voluntary group is oppressed and equating it to the same that was experienced by black peeps, Jews/women and everybody else who did not get a choice is just stupid.

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None of that is relevant, in any way. It is nothing more than an ad hominem fallacy.

Good to know, a trans activist does not care if a 5, 4 woman was domestically abused, rose above it to make children (and adults) around happy, now has to face death threats. Okay, I think I have a pretty good view of your personality and priorities now.
Women being assaulted does not matter, only trans do, I understand.

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you chose to ignore

I already told you I never watched Dave Chapelle, I only know about it because of Stevie Knight on YT. Why would I trust your account of DC when you label everybody a bigot? If DC was not black you'd be telling me he was burning crosses on lawns to demonize him more.

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No person can change their gender identity, their mental gender, however.

See, you just admitted it is voluntary. That's like a transformation in any sentai or shounen show.

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Yeah, the slaves should have just accepted their enslavement, with a duck water off back attitude…
As should the Jews have accepted their circumstances, in Nazi Germany…"

What is your problem with Jews? You think they had the choice of being Jew? Unlike the supposed oppressed category you endorse, it is not a "mental ethnic" thing. So attention span argument of calling me an idiot, now the comparison to Hitler/Nazi Germany. Sure are a lot of tropes being used.

So you support domestic terrorism, rioting, and looting? In some ways it's a good thing America has the Patriot Act.
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…but by right wing extremists! (and that's excluding islamist, even though they are all right wing extremists)

Sure, Paris police officers check your bags twice when entering a mall, cinema etc because.. oh right, not Islamic extremists. It was all "right wing bigots", right? Good to know.

I don't watch Fox news. First time I heard of CRT was on America Uncovered, I am not going to bother linking you, you can find it yourself since you like videos so much.
CRT is not about teaching kids about racism, it is about making kids racist. Why segregate them based on skin colour, why talk about supposed colour privileges? Just propaganda. Every person and country on the planet is racist to some extent, we don't need a dedicated thing encouraging it.

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No, but people have been sued for refusing to bake cakes for gay people, despite being a cake shop, open for the public …and therefore having to bake cakes for everyone, including gays.

Wait, so you are all for trans (which you admitted don't exist) rights, but not religious freedoms or personal choices when to provide a service? Maybe that's why you dislike Jews so much, because they are religious. I don't mind if you are a militant atheist :3.

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If they fired the guy who just takes care of the equipment, for comments he made outside of his job, that would be unacceptable, but…

Die Gedanken sind frei/My thoughts are free.
I don't want to live in a country where you have any power.

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That isn't why she was fired, and you know it!
…and why would Disney want to be represented by, and be seen to promote, someone who is hated by the public, and therefore gives them huge bad PR, and would result in massive economic losses?

She was harassed by people to put her pronouns up, and because she refused to align herself with your cause then she was bullied. I imagine some "activists" also sent Disney death threats too since that seems to be their go to thing when they get angry about something.
They drummed up a storm of anger to get somebody fired because they did not like them. More censorship, more cancel culture, the one you refuse to admit exists, but now you say you agree that she got fired because a bunch of riled up nerfherders.

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What have your kids done, to earn what you leave them?
Nothing. Nothing whatsoever.
Hahaha. seriously man, what did they do to earn it? You don't have children at all, do you? Maybe your "mental gender" is not compatible for having children, but you would seriously ask that? It is a parent's responsibility to provide a better future for their kids. Maybe your family just think they can be poor and have unlimited kids and wait for the state to pick up the problem, but I would rather make sure mine have a decent standard of living. What did you do to earn anything? You are so anti-capitalist yet I bet you are a consumer.
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Despite benefiting from tax payer funded roads, schools (his employees need to have some level of education), healthcare (his employees need to be healthy) etc etc

So now you are claiming that these things exist in an isolation bubble. If Amazon did not exist they'd be no roads or schools? You live in a wonderous world, my friend You know there are things such as unions, people can dictate their terms, and if they don't feel satisfied, they can move on.

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You do realise that Google was funded by plenty of tax payer money, right?

Is that why they had to run themselves into debt with their credit cards? Interesting. General Motors gets bailed out etc, you know why? Cause the currency needs to be backed up by goods nd services and people need to have jobs or there will be chaos like your friends in Chicago had.
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If you are born to poor parents, you'll almost certainly stay poor.

Maybe that has something to do with your mentality of "why should I leave money for my children".

Who is this one man you speak of, Xi? Xi owns everything in China? :3

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Berserk NEVER promotes or condones those things.

So give us an example of something that has PROMOTED it. Not just arbitrarily come up with stuff.

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I never addressed variant covers, or even bothered to find out what that is. (I'm guessing it's just literal, as in just different covers, on the same issue of the same comic?)

Yes.

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WTF are you talking about?
I never mentioned physical strength, nor do I think you've got to be particularly strong.

Why would I care if they have partners then either? It is called having an active lifestyle and getting your kid outside so they are physically fit and socialize.

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…but I'm pretty sure that we have very differing views on what is or isn't coddling, and how much is too much.

I don't know what your views are, you don't have kids from what I gathered, I doubt you'd be a good parent though from your question of "what did they do to earn it".

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I doubt that.

Would it help if I went into my user settings and changed my "mental gender"?

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Mm, because people who are different, just existing and wanting to be treated like human beings, is them pushing it down your throught…
Oh, and who forced you to read those books/comics, exactly?

It is as transdude said, they don't want equal rights, they want more rights, and you yourself proved that when you said that jokes about this new category are offlimits.
Forced? I don't live in Zarlan-land where everybody is forced to do what he says because he says so. As I said I am open to trying stuff, currently in my user settings btw.

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I haven't read it, but…
1. Does it slutshame Starfire? …or the MEN who draw/write her, and decide how she looks and behaves, and what she says?

Self insert by the author claims she is just wearing skimpy clothes to attract guys or w/e
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2. There are people on the left who are prudish, and people who are a bit too loose about sexual matters. The left isn't a monolith.

Yes, as evidenced by you and your apathy to JK Rowling, some people on the "left" hate women and want to replace them with men and claim those are the new women. I however am going to replace all my low denomination currency with "high" denomination currency and demand the bank respect it.

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Bigot Bigot Bigotry Bigot Bigot Bigotry bigot bilbo baggins biggot of bagend Bigot! Hairy toes bigot

I'd tell you a figure of speech about attracting more flies with honey etc and how you persuade people better by not insulting them, but I am pretty sure your tribe would rather cancel or kill me. If only I had a twitter account etc to receive some death threats with.
That's why you are angry I don't have twitter, fb etc, your comrades can not do anything, sesibo.

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I think gender and it's mental component (which didn't have a lot of research except in the last 30 years)
when I had it explained to me, the speaker referenced cadaver studies which I'm to be believe is a thing where you can have a brain and it can be identified as a male or female brain in the absence of any other data/the remainder of the body.
And the overwhelming majority of trans participants of the cadaver studies (brains)were identified as the gender they identify as.
I do love the human body and its mechanisms for adaptation and neuroplasticity.
maybe that's awkward to mention, after talking about cadavers.

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when I had it explained to me, the speaker referenced cadaver studies which I'm to be believe is a thing where you can have a brain and it can be identified as a male or female brain in the absence of any other data/the remainder of the body.

Just did a quick search, and this seems to be the source, where it poses an updated theory about genital develop before brain development, but no actual data to back it, meanwhile actual autopsies have concluded that there is a difference.

However, that's all beside the issue that I don't believe trannies actually care about what science has to say or what it can do. Even if, hypothetically, they did invent some wonder-drug that causes one's genitals to turn inside-out and become functioning sexual organs (Not to mention all the other factors), I and several other have come to the conclusion that they'd protest up and down to make it's usage banned and outlawed. Because it would take attention away from them. Because they're no longer "special".
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Not to mention to the fact that, if science really did reach to that point, morals would either degrade because who would honestly give a damn anymore about sexual preferences when they can be changed on the fly, or strict conservatism would extremely ramp up because people would want to procreate with genuine men or women rather than the "abominations" that science has created. In either scenario, trannies would become irrelevant.


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