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ShadwsofArchonia
Naruto manga is a bunch of crap. It's no longer an ingenious work.
The reasons are as follows;
Balance, there is absolutely no sense of it. After the Gaara rescue arc and then finding Sasuke a second time arc. Everything and I do mean everything, fell apart. Kishimoto has taken a liking to unrealistically overpower his antagonists and unrealistically underpower his protagonist.
Prime example would be Sasuke's capability vs. Naruto's capability as of chapter 361. It seems that Sasuke has already surpassed Orochimaru in skill, and now he's well on his way on taking out Deidra. Now if we look at that from a technical standpoint.
Sasuke is capable of taking out two, and I repeat, two S-class Shinobi. While Naruto is incapable of beating Kakashi, who through rank, skill and experience is one, and I once again repeat, one S-class Shinobi. There is FAR too big of a power difference between the two Shinobi. Obviously Sasuke get's to cheat because of the Sharingan, but still. TOO big of a difference.
Naruto manga is a bunch of crap. It's no longer an ingenious work.
The reasons are as follows;
Balance, there is absolutely no sense of it. After the Gaara rescue arc and then finding Sasuke a second time arc. Everything and I do mean everything, fell apart. Kishimoto has taken a liking to unrealistically overpower his antagonists and unrealistically underpower his protagonist.
Prime example would be Sasuke's capability vs. Naruto's capability as of chapter 361. It seems that Sasuke has already surpassed Orochimaru in skill, and now he's well on his way on taking out Deidra. Now if we look at that from a technical standpoint.
Sasuke is capable of taking out two, and I repeat, two S-class Shinobi. While Naruto is incapable of beating Kakashi, who through rank, skill and experience is one, and I once again repeat, one S-class Shinobi. There is FAR too big of a power difference between the two Shinobi. Obviously Sasuke get's to cheat because of the Sharingan, but still. TOO big of a difference.
In shounen history overpower the antagonist is the same as giving water for people in order for they to to live. Because if there's no overpoewered enemy, there's no obstacle to overcome and so the story will be real crap there. The case of Naruto is that Kishimoto is, in this second part, making the show more serious and dramatic so Naruto being the central character is the one who will be sacrificed becoming the "underpowered" one like u say. But we all already knew this would happen by the first part of the show if u didn't then well...But this is for the sake of a better and longer story. It wouldn't be fun if Naruto was the strongest of them all and killed them all right away i think. And the case of Sasuke is that he is the final goal of Naruto and as that he has become one of the strongest of them all being one of the greatest obstacles Naruto will have to overcome on his way of evolving and becoming Hokage ( awkward but impressive way due to his personality and kyuubi situation).
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Character development; Naruto especially. Pre-Time Skip he was an emotional sap, but he had a sense of control. Now post-Time Skip, he's fucking EMO. Nearly every time his temper sparks more than it should, his eyes turn red and slitted. It's true that the seal is weakening, but despite that. Naruto has FAR less control of his emotions making him a much more of a liability than ever before.
Like i said before Naruto's character development is slow due to his personality. And with the kyuubi situation he has always being rejected by other people making him somewhat emo behind all that happy-go-looky guy. This comes to surface during the Gaara Arc whom he understands and feels for being both jinchurikis. And as i said before this is made by Kishimoto in order to turn the show more mature and dramatic. At least that's what i think, anyway, your opinion is your opinion.
Edit by mod: Triple posting is EVIL!!
Although in this case it makes things easier to read... It's still forbiden.
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And I don't think that someone's negative opinion of one manga should dictate their "rank" in the manga community. For all we know, someone could hate Naruto but post an incredibly-detailed, positive review on a different series. Does that mean that their other opinion doesn't deserve to be respected just because they didn't like one series?
And I don't think that someone's negative opinion of one manga should dictate their "rank" in the manga community. For all we know, someone could hate Naruto but post an incredibly-detailed, positive review on a different series. Does that mean that their other opinion doesn't deserve to be respected just because they didn't like one series?
I'm not talking about ranks or anything. I'm not sayin' that, you are putting words in my mouth, i'm talking about Naruto and their "ugly" comments over Naruto. They could not like the series but submmit a negative respectful comment over it then we would discuss. About other series they may do it that way, but i'm talking about Naruto and their disrespectful actions over it, i'm not sayin' they are disrespectful all around.
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I agree that people who say "Oh, it sucks" and leave aren't contributing much (even though the same thing can be said about those who just say "Oh, it was sooooo awesome!!!!1!!"). I agree that people should give examples to back up their reasons to dislike or like a series. But I don't agree that one review or comment on a series should decide how others see them; instead, it should be based upon all of their comments/reviews of manga series.
I also think that way and what i'm doing here is stating that for me Naruto is a great series and the people who submit those kind of comments are disrespectful and thus far not being so intelligent. They can dislike Naruto but in a respectful way. I'm not sayin' everyone should be a saint but there are cases where it annoys the hell out of any normal person(go read some reviews)...
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I think ShadwsofArchonia stated my opinion of Naruto's progress the best. Naruto was RECOGNISED by Kakashi, but he did not defeat him (even with Sakura's help). (Yes, he tricked him into losing, but in an actual situation in which you know little about the enemy's powers or personality, that wouldn't've cut it.) Naruto has learned no new, useful jutsus since the time-skip (yes, he got his "ultimate jutsu," but that's a double-edged sword and therefore doesn't count as a "useful" jutsu to me). Sasuke, on the other hand, is holding off (if not defeating) Akatsuki members and has overpowered Orochimaru. He's learned how to use a katana and new jutsus.
I do realise that Naruto has advanced somewhat, but in comparison to how much his fellow ninjas have accomplished, he has advanced at a snail's pace. I also realise that he has time to learn more, but the years with Jiraiya seem to have been wasted on this front.
I do realise that Naruto has advanced somewhat, but in comparison to how much his fellow ninjas have accomplished, he has advanced at a snail's pace. I also realise that he has time to learn more, but the years with Jiraiya seem to have been wasted on this front.
That's what i mean by his personality and him being a slow learner. (It's just like you see in your everyday life, there's a lot of people like that so it's realistic enough and not necessarily a bad thing, it will give him room to grow up more at his own pace in the future)
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I did not notice, but thanks for pointing that out. Going by my personal definition of a masterpiece (not necessarily flawless or perfect), though, I've got to say that Naruto is below par.
Okay, it's your opinion and it's well stated I'm not tryin to change it...
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It's okay for you to state why you think Naruto is ingenious, but I abhor how you make a judgment on who is intelligent and who is stupid based on their tastes. That's just disgusting.
That's not the point at all... Once again i'm sayin' they are "stupid" (word you used not me) over Naruto, not all around. They may be quite good guys actually. It's some of their atittude towards naruto that i don't like. (It's the same as loving (or not) your brother but scold him for something you think he did wrong being it that you don't think he is stupid). And no, i'm not disgusting like you say as you would realize if you knew me better...
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Some people may say u'r going in the wrong way when in fact u'r just going ur own way...
If you like the color green, and i think it sucks, well bite me. It doesn't matter, it means nothing. So if you like it, be happy you have a nice long manga you like, and don't give a damm about what otherpeople say about it.
