i dunno, when i read manhwa, the feel is totally different. The way they construct and move the story also differs to japanese manga imo. but maybe thats due to the lack of manhwa around and only experiencing a minority type
ps: hostile, is there a pm convo going on?
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I hate to plug, and I know this is more or less going against the forums rules, but I just wanted to point out that Slaphappy made an excellent post on the k-manga forums in a discussion about the origins of Korean manhwa. He tells it while explaining the rather eccentric art of one of his projects, Nina Jalhae:
What I just wanted to point out in this is just that manhwa is a unique market with a unique feel, and thus should not necessarily be compared to Japanese manga in every aspect. Of course it's different. As not every American is a fan of Monty Python or British humor, not all cultural sensibilities were meant to be digested by others. But therein lies the beauty ^^.
And to stay on topic, my top 5 Korean manwhas are NoW!, UxU, Ares, Shin Angyo Onshi (Shin Ahmeng Uhsah in Korean ^^), and Nina Jalhae. There are a ton in my honorable-mention list, but they'll stay out of this ;)
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Significance of Nina Jalhae...
Or Why the Art Sucks So Much
In early 1990s, Korea signed a trade agreement with Japan, which included cultural items. One of the first things to land in Korean soil was Dragon Ball and Slam Dunk. Within two years, the Korean shounen manga scene was obliterated, being replaced with Japanese imports. Korean manga artists were relegated to niche markets, to "adult" comics and some shoujo. And who can blame the Korean audience? Instead of simplistic morality plays with mostly mediocre art, you had fantastic eye candy with outladish plots and manga with definite pacing problems that stretched 40 minutes into 12 tankoubons. And so for a while, the market was flooded with translated Japanese manga and their imitators.
In the mid-90s, manga artist Cho Woon Hak had wanted to try something different. Cho, who was mainly known in the heydey of Korean Manga in the 80s as mainly a wuxia manga artist, and one of the two leading manga magazines CHANCE, risen from the ashes that once was Shounen Central (Sho Yeon Joong Ang) and Treasure Island (Bomulseom), started an experiment of a shounen action manga with a school setting, a highly popular genre of Japanese manga at that time in Korea.
The first few volumes were painful to read, admittedly. Cho's style was shifting...his original cramped, messy pen work for more serious/tragic material was being replaced with simpler, thicker lines and super-deformed faces suitable for a comedy manga. So for the first year, the art looked odd and misshapen at times, especially with the female lead. But as the series gained steam, Cho's art settled down, and while not quite being up to the level of cuteness as some of the Japanese stuff, by about volume 10, the art wasn't cringe-inducing either.
And since the series had classic Korean humor instead of translated Japanese humor, the title was able to take the audience to levels of comedy that is impossible for an imported work. And with the addition of action scenes interspaced throughout the comedy, the series was wildly successful in Korea, spawning 50 volumes. Although the publisher claims that it's the first series to reach 50 volumes in Korea, that's not true. Several series by Park Bong Sung and Lee Hyun Sae had reached 50 volumes in the 80s.
What is true though is that it is the first manga to reach 50 volumes solely on the strength of it's inclusion in a comics magazine. And it is certainly the first Korean drawn shounen manga to reach that high a number of volumes released since the Japanese invasion. And it is probably the first Korean series to consistently beat imports in popularity since the invasion. In fact, Nina's popularity gave rise to a new generation of manga artists that you see today, such as Unlimited Unlimited, Black God, Jjang, and Shin Angyo Onshi that you see today, to name a few, merging Japanese style art with Korean plots and sensibilities.
Will we be able to finish all 50 volumes? Hey, I'm not snoopycool, you know, so can't promise anything. But we will continue for as long as possible, since aside from being such a popular and significant comic in Korea, it has a pretty good plot to boot.
But with 50 volumes, it just takes a little while to get there, that's all.
(Slap, feel free to toss this out if you'd prefer it not here)Or Why the Art Sucks So Much
In early 1990s, Korea signed a trade agreement with Japan, which included cultural items. One of the first things to land in Korean soil was Dragon Ball and Slam Dunk. Within two years, the Korean shounen manga scene was obliterated, being replaced with Japanese imports. Korean manga artists were relegated to niche markets, to "adult" comics and some shoujo. And who can blame the Korean audience? Instead of simplistic morality plays with mostly mediocre art, you had fantastic eye candy with outladish plots and manga with definite pacing problems that stretched 40 minutes into 12 tankoubons. And so for a while, the market was flooded with translated Japanese manga and their imitators.
In the mid-90s, manga artist Cho Woon Hak had wanted to try something different. Cho, who was mainly known in the heydey of Korean Manga in the 80s as mainly a wuxia manga artist, and one of the two leading manga magazines CHANCE, risen from the ashes that once was Shounen Central (Sho Yeon Joong Ang) and Treasure Island (Bomulseom), started an experiment of a shounen action manga with a school setting, a highly popular genre of Japanese manga at that time in Korea.
The first few volumes were painful to read, admittedly. Cho's style was shifting...his original cramped, messy pen work for more serious/tragic material was being replaced with simpler, thicker lines and super-deformed faces suitable for a comedy manga. So for the first year, the art looked odd and misshapen at times, especially with the female lead. But as the series gained steam, Cho's art settled down, and while not quite being up to the level of cuteness as some of the Japanese stuff, by about volume 10, the art wasn't cringe-inducing either.
And since the series had classic Korean humor instead of translated Japanese humor, the title was able to take the audience to levels of comedy that is impossible for an imported work. And with the addition of action scenes interspaced throughout the comedy, the series was wildly successful in Korea, spawning 50 volumes. Although the publisher claims that it's the first series to reach 50 volumes in Korea, that's not true. Several series by Park Bong Sung and Lee Hyun Sae had reached 50 volumes in the 80s.
What is true though is that it is the first manga to reach 50 volumes solely on the strength of it's inclusion in a comics magazine. And it is certainly the first Korean drawn shounen manga to reach that high a number of volumes released since the Japanese invasion. And it is probably the first Korean series to consistently beat imports in popularity since the invasion. In fact, Nina's popularity gave rise to a new generation of manga artists that you see today, such as Unlimited Unlimited, Black God, Jjang, and Shin Angyo Onshi that you see today, to name a few, merging Japanese style art with Korean plots and sensibilities.
Will we be able to finish all 50 volumes? Hey, I'm not snoopycool, you know, so can't promise anything. But we will continue for as long as possible, since aside from being such a popular and significant comic in Korea, it has a pretty good plot to boot.
But with 50 volumes, it just takes a little while to get there, that's all.
What I just wanted to point out in this is just that manhwa is a unique market with a unique feel, and thus should not necessarily be compared to Japanese manga in every aspect. Of course it's different. As not every American is a fan of Monty Python or British humor, not all cultural sensibilities were meant to be digested by others. But therein lies the beauty ^^.
And to stay on topic, my top 5 Korean manwhas are NoW!, UxU, Ares, Shin Angyo Onshi (Shin Ahmeng Uhsah in Korean ^^), and Nina Jalhae. There are a ton in my honorable-mention list, but they'll stay out of this ;)
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rebirth
faeries' landing
uxu
ares
threads of time
change guy
those are all-time favorite manhwa
i can read them all day and not be bored with them
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faeries' landing
uxu
ares
threads of time
change guy
those are all-time favorite manhwa
i can read them all day and not be bored with them
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goong
you're so cool
sugar addiction
bride of the water god
you're so cool
sugar addiction
bride of the water god
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Shin Angyo Onshi
Threads of Time
The Bride of the Water God
You're So Cool
Dangu
Banya
Korean names tend to be so confusing though, esp in shoujo.
Threads of Time
The Bride of the Water God
You're So Cool
Dangu
Banya
Korean names tend to be so confusing though, esp in shoujo.
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you and I * Illumina * capjang younguri
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Red Lion, Bride of the Water God, & Sugar Addiction are good =] (I haven't read much manhwa)
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In my opinion, I think girl oriented romance comics from Korea are funnier, more touching and interesting without the heavy "insecurity" factor that litters japanese shoujo like dangerous (REALLY dangerous, not just comedic relief bad) bullies, inferiority complexes, conniving girlfriends or doormat heroines. Sometimes you get shoujo that is not like that and you get koren manhwa that IS.... but overall, I think that romance is better done, Korean style!
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2. Bring it on!
3. Yaya
4. Sweet and Sensitive (please please someone translate this! the licencing company only did two volumes!)
5. They Too Love
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Top 5 manhwa
1. Goong
2. Bring it on!
3. Yaya
4. Sweet and Sensitive (please please someone translate this! the licencing company only did two volumes!)
5. They Too Love
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I really can not tell the difference.........
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You mean aside from the drawing style, reading format, Korean slang and honorifics?
Also the flavour of the culture is there. I am not sure about Korean shounen, since I don't really read it.
I am interested in any Korean horror, if anyone has a recommendation?
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Also the flavour of the culture is there. I am not sure about Korean shounen, since I don't really read it.
I am interested in any Korean horror, if anyone has a recommendation?
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I have a question how do you define manwha by where it is published first or by the nationality of the creators?
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I have a question how do you define manwha by where it is published first or by the nationality of the creators?
Well there's stuff like Black God, created by 2 Korean guys, but published in the Japanese magazine Young Gangan. So that would be half manga, half manwha.
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Manwha (만화) is just the Korean word for comic just as manga is the Japanese word for comic. I would say that anything written by Korean authors would be called "manwha" even if it is published in a different country.
Besides these differences, unless you are particularly keen or have grown up exposed to either Japanese or Korean culture, you cannot really see the differences but they do exist, i.e. Korean names vs Japanese names, honorifics, slight drawing variations, etc.
(*remember that Korea and Japan are basically next door neighbors)
As for the best manwha, I've been reading a few but these are my favorites:
Yul Hyul Kang Ho 열혈강호
Jjang 짱
Ki [끼]
Dangu 단구
Shin Angyo Onshi 신암행어사
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Besides these differences, unless you are particularly keen or have grown up exposed to either Japanese or Korean culture, you cannot really see the differences but they do exist, i.e. Korean names vs Japanese names, honorifics, slight drawing variations, etc.
(*remember that Korea and Japan are basically next door neighbors)
As for the best manwha, I've been reading a few but these are my favorites:
Yul Hyul Kang Ho 열혈강호
Jjang 짱
Ki [끼]
Dangu 단구
Shin Angyo Onshi 신암행어사
Threads of Time 살례탑
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i like 'the way this boy lives' too bad the author dropped it though
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1) One
2) Ares
3) Nina Jalhae
One is definately the best manwha I've read so far
2) Ares
3) Nina Jalhae
One is definately the best manwha I've read so far
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