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Post #507988 - Reply to (#507984) by Binturong
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This game is so disappointing and boring! What is wrong with all you people... go get a life!


The only thing that has disappointed me is the very small selection of spells (They took the coolest abilities and made them into shouts instead... kinda depressing,) and the absurd level scaling. The scaling might not be quite as pronounced as Oblivion... but it's there, and it's annoying, and it kills my immersion.

Still, both are easily fixable with mods. And the quest lines are outstanding compared to Oblivion. Been too busy with the Dark Brotherhood and Mage Guild quest lines to bother with the main quest. Both were as entertaining as any I've played before. There's so many hours of gameplay in this game it isn't even funny--even before considering mods.

Bethesda didn't learn their lesson in some places... but in others they've shown they can put together a solid game without total reliance on mods.

Post #508042 - Reply to (#507959) by mogiks
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i.e. Yes, there is a follower system... But none of the available followers "add" something to the story, nor is there any interaction possible (besides giving some basic "orders").
Yes, in Skyrim you're able to marry... But what's the point if you make it so incredibly easy to achieve (yet hard to figure out, why need an amulet?) and put it in a forgotten corner of the game.
Sure, you can become i.e. the Arch-mage... But you're not recognized as such, the whole storyline just ends there (true, some guards will remind you from time to time).


I have to say that even though I absolutely love Skyrim to death so far, this is my main problem with it. While for me there is an abundance of interesting quests, places to explore, little easter eggs, plentiful characters, good graphics, and it feels more realistic/immersive than Oblivion, the interaction with other people is still so shallow. It's particularly apparent now they've put in the marriage system and followers - these are people you're meant to be close to but you get so few interactions and dialogue choices. I would find the game so much more immersive if they would develop a few characters a little more and you felt like you actually had significant connections with other characters. After playing the Dragon Age games, Skyrim feels really lacking in this area. Although I get that there's only so much they can do, the game is huge already, and if you develop one area more you'll probably lose out on another. I guess deep relationships are not exactly compatible with who your character is and the lifestyle you lead. DA and TES are two different series and I guess it wouldn't be possible to make a game incorporating all aspects of both.

I'm really enjoying it though. The hours just fly by and I've barely scratched the surface. I'm enjoying the enchanting and smithing side of things a lot more than I thought I would, and magic is better too (I virtually never used magic in Oblivion, especially since all the good spells required high level skills). Companions storyline seemed kind of lacking though and while the werewolves look cool, actually being one seems pretty pointless. Lots of glitches and other minor complaints but overall though I think it's a big improvement on Oblivion.


Overall, yes it's an improvement on previous versions of TES.
It's important to keep in mind that while BioWare games of late are more Action-Adventure RPG and Bethesda games (Fallout/TES) are more Sandbox RPG -- Pre-determined story vs. more or less make your own story.
I understand the inherent difficulties with making a Sandbox game and keep solid interaction with NPCs. I'm merely stressing that I think they should have opted not to include the marriage and follower system, it doesn't add anything to the game (in it's current state)... OR made it better.
Even something as simple as a follower/partner questline would have greatly added to the game.
Make me actually have to work to get someone to be my husband/wife or travel partner, and possibly to keep having him/her as my travel companion (i.e. by alignment check).
In it's current state all "generic" NPCs are just uninteresting automatons.
Having a husband/wife only gives you a regular income (which I did not even need, made more money crawling a dungeon or two) that is only helpful early in the game... when you probably don't have one yet, and a follower only makes the game somewhat easier when attacking large groups (not always the case, actually my follower blocks my field of view regularly in battle and hit him/her instead of the enemy)

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Post #508045 - Reply to (#507988) by Spawnblade
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This game is so disappointing and boring! What is wrong with all you people... go get a life!


The only thing that has disappointed me is the very small selection of spells (They took the coolest abilities and made them into shouts instead... kinda depressing,) and the absurd level scaling. The scaling might not be quite as pronounced as Oblivion... but it's there, and it's annoying, and it kills my immersion.

Still, both are easily fixable with mods. And the quest lines are outstanding compared to Oblivion. Been too busy with the Dark Brotherhood and Mage Guild quest lines to bother with the main quest. Both were as entertaining as any I've played before. There's so many hours of gameplay in this game it isn't even funny--even before considering mods.

Bethesda didn't learn their lesson in some places... but in others they've shown they can put together a solid game without total reliance on mods.

Truth.
But it's not like I expected perfection. Modding will fix any problems.
On another note, I think Skyrim is more difficult than Oblivion. In some parts. Has anyone got into a fight (or found) Krosis? Even at level 20, he still eats my magic and frys my ass.

Post #508048 - Reply to (#508045) by robbit
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This game is so disappointing and boring! What is wrong with all you people... go get a life!


The only thing that has disappointed me is the very small selection of spells (They took the coolest abilities and made them into shouts instead... kinda depressing,) and the absurd level scaling. The scaling might not be quite as pronounced as Oblivion... but it's there, and it's annoying, and it kills my immersion.

Still, both are easily fixable with mods. And the quest lines are outstanding compared to Oblivion. Been too busy with the Dark Brotherhood and Mage Guild quest lines to bother with the main quest. Both were as entertaining as any I've played before. There's so many hours of gameplay in this game it isn't even funny--even before considering mods.

Bethesda didn't learn their lesson in some places... but in others they've shown they can put together a solid game without total reliance on mods.

Truth.
But it's not like I expected perfection. Modding will fix any problems.
On another note, I think Skyrim is more difficult than Oblivion. In some parts. Has anyone got into a fight (or found) Krosis? Even at level 20, he still eats my magic and frys my ass.


Actually I found all the dragon priests terribly easy, don't understand why so many people have problems with them.
Then again, I was lvl46 when I first encountered one, with Legendary enchanted Daedric armour/weapons + sidekick + gauldur amulet + nearly all shouts and 100 points in one-handed skill (max-out dual-wield \o/
There aren't many that still prove to be a challenge, and since Skyrim doesn't really have large mobs (especially not if you play smart) I consider myself pretty much invincible.

Also, does anyone actually use the horses? I found them no faster than without one, and annoying when attacked. At the point where you can get the "better" horses you no longer need them (fast-travel).

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Post #508049 - Reply to (#507984) by Binturong
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This game is so disappointing and boring! What is wrong with all you people... go get a life!


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I agree with everyone about the companions. What I find the most annoying is I find myself getting attached to one of mine (Mjoll the lioness), but I can't freaking DO anything with her, or learn more about her! She offers interesting comments during our travels, but it frustrates me I can't know her anymore then inane comments. The companions were one of my favorite parts of DAembarrassed, and it bugs me that they tried to implement it here and left it unfinished. I want dialogue options! A companion quest option! SOMETHING. I also wish that you could dress your companions and make them be able to drink health potions, etc (tactics). I mean, sometimes Mjoll wears the stuff I trade her, but sometimes she doesn't.

Yeah, Skyrim is quite easy. The only thing I found difficult was one of those freakin huge Dwemer things, but I encountered it at level 15, so that was probably why. I lost Liliana (was that her name? The one you get from whiterun) to it. bigrazz I hated her.

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This game is so disappointing and boring! What is wrong with all you people... go get a life!


The only thing that has disappointed me is the very small selection of spells (They took the coolest abilities and made them into shouts instead... kinda depressing,) and the absurd level scaling. The scaling might not be quite as pronounced as Oblivion... but it's there, and it's annoying, and it kills my immersion.

Still, both are easily fixable with mods. And the quest lines are outstanding compared to Oblivion. Been too busy with the Dark Brotherhood and Mage Guild quest lines to bother with the main quest. Both were as entertaining as any I've played before. There's so many hours of gameplay in this game it isn't even funny--even before considering mods.

Bethesda didn't learn their lesson in some places... but in others they've shown they can put together a solid game without total reliance on mods.

Truth.
But it's not like I expected perfection. Modding will fix any problems.
On another note, I think Skyrim is more difficult than Oblivion. In some parts. Has anyone got into a fight (or found) Krosis? Even at level 20, he still eats my magic and frys my ass.


Actually I found all the dragon priests terribly easy, don't understand why so many people have problems with them.
Then again, I was lvl46 when I first encountered one, with Legendary enchanted Daedric armour/weapons + sidekick + gauldur amulet + nearly all shouts and 100 points in one-handed skill (max-out dual-wield \o/
There aren't many that still prove to be a challenge, and since Skyrim doesn't really have large mobs (especially not if you play smart) I consider myself pretty much invincible.

Also, does anyone actually use the horses? I found them no faster than without one, and annoying when attacked. At the point where you can get the "better" horses you no longer need them (fast-travel).

Yeah. lv. 46 would probably help
horses are stupid although i wish you could level up your speed

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Horses are awesome, they fly.
Most of the boss enemies seem to have clear combat AI patterns that can be exploited.
I just found a rock to hide behind for Krosis.

Post #508065 - Reply to (#508059) by Sagaris
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Horses are awesome, they fly.
Most of the boss enemies seem to have clear combat AI patterns that can be exploited.
I just found a rock to hide behind for Krosis.


Mine only flies when it's dead and I blast it's corpse away (or jump of a cliff)... Did I miss something?

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Post #508070 - Reply to (#508052) by Dragonfiremule
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Yeah, Skyrim is quite easy. The only thing I found difficult was one of those freakin huge Dwemer things, but I encountered it at level 15, so that was probably why. I lost Liliana (was that her name? The one you get from whiterun) to it. bigrazz I hated her.


You mean Lydia? (Liliana is from DA biggrin) Yeah, I was using Lydia as a companion, mostly as a tank (since I'm an archer) and because of that it was quite inevitable she'd end up dying. I was quite annoyed because I'd given her loads of heavy stuff to carry cos I had no room in my inventory laugh It's kind of frustrating that those are the only thoughts I have when characters die. That and "I hope this doesn't mean I'll be missing out on any quests because they died". If the characters had a little more development, I would have more reasons to get attached to the characters, rather than only caring about them because they can carry stuff, give me quests or take damage and distract enemies.

Sadly I'm on PS3 so no mods for me. And I've started getting the major lag that some PS3 users are reporting once their save file gets pretty big. But it's fine as long as I don't play for too long in one session. (With Skyrim though, that's kind of difficult :rollsmile

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Post #508074 - Reply to (#508070) by mogiks
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Sadly I'm on PS3 so no mods for me. And I've started getting the major lag that some PS3 users are reporting once their save file gets pretty big. But it's fine as long as I don't play for too long in one session. (With Skyrim though, that's kind of difficult :roll smile


I was actually wondering about that, are there many that play games like Skyrim on a PS3 (or even a Xbox360)?
With PS3 games being about twice as expensive than PC games, and somewhat less (but still more) expensive than Xbox360 games... Not to mention the complete inability of modding the game and/or cheating (some games are just more fun when using cheats).
Especially in the realm of RPG games like the TES games and those from BioWare there are mods galore (that are often more fun than the original content), not playing on a PC would mean you'd have to miss out on that.

I have a PS3 (cheapest bluray when I bought it) and only use it for Adventure games (Uncharted etc.), so I hooked up my Sixaxis to my PC and tried playing Skyrim that way... Whilst some things were a bit easier, I generally found the (lack of) controls a pain in the arse (no direct spell/inventory/map interface and such).
I was finally able to dual-wield spells though (bug in keyboard control).

Then again, I have been a PC gamer for almost 20 years now and never did like gamepad controllers.

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Post #508075 - Reply to (#508074) by Joentjuh
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Sadly I'm on PS3 so no mods for me. And I've started getting the major lag that some PS3 users are reporting once their save file gets pretty big. But it's fine as long as I don't play for too long in one session. (With Skyrim though, that's kind of difficult :roll smile


I was actually wondering about that, are there many that play games like Skyrim on a PS3 (or even a Xbox360)?
With PS3 games being about twice as expensive than PC games, and somewhat less (but still more) expensive than Xbox360 games... Not to mention the complete inability of modding the game and/or cheating (some games are just more fun when using cheats).
Especially in the realm of RPG games like the TES games and those from BioWare there are mods galore (that are often more fun than the original content), not playing on a PC would mean you'd have to miss out on that.

I have a PS3 (cheapest bluray when I bought it) and only use it for Adventure games (Uncharted etc.), so I hooked up my Sixaxis to my PC and tried playing Skyrim that way... Whilst some things were a bit easier, I generally found the (lack of) controls a pain in the arse (no direct spell/inventory/map interface and such).
I was finally able to dual-wield spells though (bug in keyboard control).


Well, to me the choice is simple. I can play the new games on my four hundred dollar Xbox, and while they won't be the highest quality, I can rely on that system for years and years. Or I can spend several thousand dollars on a computer every couple of years in an attempt to squeeze the quality out of the games I want to play.

That's not to say I don't appreciate mods and won't eventually get the game for PC. I've done it for all the TES games. I just wait until technology improves, and prices go down, so that I can get everything a heck of a lot cheaper.

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I don't know about anywhere else but UK sales figures show an overwhelming proportion playing Skyrim on consoles. 59% 360, 26% PS3, 15% PC (link). My PC just isn't good enough for a game like Skyrim and since I have my PS3 anyway I'm not particularly bothered about upgrading it. I don't play games that much so upgrading my PC doesn't really seem worth it. Also, the PC/console price difference is not so vast that I'm particularly bothered by it. PC prices in UK are £34.99 (Steam) or £29.98 (Amazon) vs. console versions £37.91 (Amazon). I don't play enough games to make the price discrepancy matter and I'd still have to fork out and upgrade my PC which would far outweigh any savings.

I've never played a PC TES game so I can't really compare controls and stuff but I find the console version perfectly functional and the controls fine once you're used to them. I'm mainly a console gamer anyway so I'm very used to a limited number of buttons on a controller. Though it would be nice to have hotkeys for weapons, potions and spells rather than the Favorites menu (...does PC have hotkeys for that?), because my Favorites gets so cluttered with many different things I need to be able to access quickly in battle, and it's alphabetical rather than categorical. Same problem with Skyrim's chests, I want it all kept in categories like in Oblivion, otherwise it's messy and irritates the part of me that likes being mildly OCD with organising things. Especially since I like keeping a lot of items as souvenirs of quests or just odd items I've found.

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Post #508082 - Reply to (#508075) by TheShawn
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Sadly I'm on PS3 so no mods for me. And I've started getting the major lag that some PS3 users are reporting once their save file gets pretty big. But it's fine as long as I don't play for too long in one session. (With Skyrim though, that's kind of difficult :roll smile


I was actually wondering about that, are there many that play games like Skyrim on a PS3 (or even a Xbox360)?
With PS3 games being about twice as expensive than PC games, and somewhat less (but still more) expensive than Xbox360 games... Not to mention the complete inability of modding the game and/or cheating (some games are just more fun when using cheats).
Especially in the realm of RPG games like the TES games and those from BioWare there are mods galore (that are often more fun than the original content), not playing on a PC would mean you'd have to miss out on that.

I have a PS3 (cheapest bluray when I bought it) and only use it for Adventure games (Uncharted etc.), so I hooked up my Sixaxis to my PC and tried playing Skyrim that way... Whilst some things were a bit easier, I generally found the (lack of) controls a pain in the arse (no direct spell/inventory/map interface and such).
I was finally able to dual-wield spells though (bug in keyboard control).

Or I can spend several thousand dollars on a computer every couple of years in an attempt to squeeze the quality out of the games I want to play.

Euhm, than you're probably either spending too much or you're being swindled.
I buy a new computer about every 5 years or so (meaning new motherboard+cpu), and buy a new graphicscard ever 2 or 3 years... Or at least used to (graphicscards last longer these days), don't game as much as I used to.
A new Graphics-card roughly costs the same as 2 (new) PS3 games (140 euro or less, you don't need the more expensive ones)
Mainboard+CPU+Ram usually amounts to about 400/500 euros.

I'm not saying either is better, don't care enough for that. But in total cost I'm guessing a console is about as expensive as a (gaming) PC. Either has it's advantages and disadvantages.... Though I admit that when comparing the two whilst only taking the "gaming" bit into account, a console is probably cheaper and easier.

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I agree with the companions system being too shallow. At least with the shallow marriage system they handwave it with people wanting to get married quickly because of the short and harsh lives people have in Skyrim. It's a flimsy handwave, but still...

And has anybody else noticed how the jail system in Skyrim doesn't hurt the player at all? I decided to serve time in jail (Because there was no way in hell I'm paying that 32,080 gold fine laugh ), but after I served my time, the only detriment I received was that the little progress bars under all my skills had reset. No losing my stolen goods, no losing several points off of my skills, no losing my follower because I've been in jail for about 6-7 months, nothing. It's pretty nice seeing how it looks like Bethesda just wants people to have fun with the game. Though I heard that once you get to level 50, it gets insanely hard to level up skills so going to jail could come back to bite you in the ass later on...

EDIT: It's not hard to level up your skills once you use that Oghma Infinium glitch.

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