Depends, I have some grudge against some immigrants due to their abuse of our country's free help they get and yet those immigrants (some of them) just do crimes etc. Though I don't consider that racism, I have no progblem with people's race, just their characteristics which sometimes applies for a certain race.
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Depends, I have some grudge against some immigrants due to their abuse of our country's free help they get and yet those immigrants (some of them) just do crimes etc. Though I don't consider that racism, I have no progblem with people's race, just their characteristics which sometimes applies for a certain race.
That's being racist.
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I agree with both this song's definition of racism and its point of view on it.
As for general intolerance, discrimination and "bigotry", I'd say I'm more curious about it than intolerant, I'd try to understand the intolerant person's reason/motivation for it and maybe change his/her way of thinking if I can refute his/her arguments.
That is, if there is a reason. I'm sure some people are simply intolerant so they can "discharge" themselves of their stress and anger, or simply beacause they find it fun to harass people.
I agree with both this song's definition of racism and its point of view on it.
As for general intolerance, discrimination and "bigotry", I'd say I'm more curious about it than intolerant, I'd try to understand the intolerant person's reason/motivation for it and maybe change his/her way of thinking if I can refute his/her arguments.
That is, if there is a reason. I'm sure some people are simply intolerant so they can "discharge" themselves of their stress and anger, or simply beacause they find it fun to harass people.
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Though the song itself is old and racist.
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Though the song itself is old and racist.
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It's obvious that most people know how to respond to: are you racist? ("no, and I hate anyone who's racist!") Which is a misleading question almost too simple to respond to, but I think it is a good starting point for looking into the general issue of race. In my opinion people are naturally inclined to believe that their own race is superior (not necessarily above other races but the mere state of not being those other races), even a little bit, whether they know it or not- and that can sometimes be disguised as pride in one's race. Everyone has racially prejudiced thoughts, but depending on the extremity or negativity of those thoughts in comparison to society's standards, the jury's still out on whether or not that reflects negatively on you.
We should all be basically human, but everyday complexities are infinitely stronger, the only exception being a crisis, but that being so rare in frequency and scale I think racism (race prejudice, really, whether subtle or outright) is just another human complexity.
We should all be basically human, but everyday complexities are infinitely stronger, the only exception being a crisis, but that being so rare in frequency and scale I think racism (race prejudice, really, whether subtle or outright) is just another human complexity.
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I am not racist, I hate everyone equally
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My parents still talk about the time they realized I didn't even recognize the concept of "race" at age 2 or 3. As I grew up, things really didn't change, and probably because I've been exposed to a lot of different cultures growing up, and I'm not talking about trips to Chinatown, more like trips to China. And now that I'm "all grown up" a very surprising amount of my friends are first-gen americans who are scholarship students at some of the best colleges in my state, exchange students from all over the world, etc; my own parents pulled themselves out of dieing mining towns and made something of themselves. So, even deep down, I don't think there's even the concept of "race" and I certainly don't think I'm superior to anyone simply based on the color of their skin, the country they come from, or their religion. I know too many people whose hard work has accomplished amazing things to ever think that.
Perhaps I feel so strongly about this in part because I was on the recieving end of racism in middle school. At the time, I was living in South Korea and was treated harsher by some of the Koreans hired to work on base than the half-Korean students I hung out with. I've also seen my friends treated poorly for the color of their skin or the visible signs of their religion.
I would also like to point out that while racism is often taught by the surroundings of a child, I would like to point out that it is VERY possible to overcome it. Two generations ago, my Swedish grandmother marrying an Italian man was a huge scandle; were I ever to bring a boyfriend to family gatherings who wasn't white, comments would be said by my grandmas and great-aunts and uncles; my parents themselves are slightly racist (although they won't admit it) and then there's my brothers and I. One of my best friends in elementary school was raised to be extremely racist against blacks but after a few hard history lessons at her public high school (in a town commonly known as Colonial Whites for the lack of ethnic diversity) is almost completely over it. I don't think racism that deep can be completely eradicated, but the what she accomplished in only a few years will only be improved-on by her children.
I would like to point out that yes, I have a ton of national pride. I do believe that my country, the one my great-grandparents worked so hard to get into, is better than pretty much every other country out there but that IN NO WAY translates to the people. I do not believe that the people in my country are IN ANY WAY better than the people in any other; in fact, I often find the people in my country worse than people I know from other countries around the globe in several aspects. So, National pride does not always lead to racism; as long as the people understand that their country is not perfect and their people not perfect, there's nothing wrong with pride.
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Perhaps I feel so strongly about this in part because I was on the recieving end of racism in middle school. At the time, I was living in South Korea and was treated harsher by some of the Koreans hired to work on base than the half-Korean students I hung out with. I've also seen my friends treated poorly for the color of their skin or the visible signs of their religion.
I would also like to point out that while racism is often taught by the surroundings of a child, I would like to point out that it is VERY possible to overcome it. Two generations ago, my Swedish grandmother marrying an Italian man was a huge scandle; were I ever to bring a boyfriend to family gatherings who wasn't white, comments would be said by my grandmas and great-aunts and uncles; my parents themselves are slightly racist (although they won't admit it) and then there's my brothers and I. One of my best friends in elementary school was raised to be extremely racist against blacks but after a few hard history lessons at her public high school (in a town commonly known as Colonial Whites for the lack of ethnic diversity) is almost completely over it. I don't think racism that deep can be completely eradicated, but the what she accomplished in only a few years will only be improved-on by her children.
I would like to point out that yes, I have a ton of national pride. I do believe that my country, the one my great-grandparents worked so hard to get into, is better than pretty much every other country out there but that IN NO WAY translates to the people. I do not believe that the people in my country are IN ANY WAY better than the people in any other; in fact, I often find the people in my country worse than people I know from other countries around the globe in several aspects. So, National pride does not always lead to racism; as long as the people understand that their country is not perfect and their people not perfect, there's nothing wrong with pride.
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It varies with the people I meet of each race. So it's more like I hate you, not I hate all of you. Do you get what I'm trying to say?
This has done a good job summing up all I have to say. If I don't like, I don't like a specific person, or a group of ppl (who keep a specific opinion) but not the race itself.
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racism is not something I encourage, but we all carry racism inside of us whether we admit it or not, we lable and differeinate naturally becasu ethats how we're wired, so although i detest racim i'm still apart of its cycle.
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Depends, I have some grudge against some immigrants due to their abuse of our country's free help they get and yet those immigrants (some of them) just do crimes etc. Though I don't consider that racism, I have no progblem with people's race, just their characteristics which sometimes applies for a certain race.
That's being racist.
I don't think so, and I also didn't mean I'm acting prejudiced against everyone from certain country and that I have problem with everyone from certain race or country automatically, I'll put it this way: there are people in my country, people who are immigrants from different countries, who exploit our country's free help and do crimes, and with THAT I have a problem. However there are also immigrants in my country who behave well, respect our ways as well as we respect theirs, and with them I do NOT have a problem.
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Why would differ race be a prob?Differ race give us opportunity to get to know each other....Here in Malaysia we live together as a community, we celebrate everything together...i think thats cool...
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I don't think so, and I also didn't mean I'm acting prejudiced against everyone from certain country and that I have problem with everyone from certain race or country automatically, I'll put it this way: there are people in my country, people who are immigrants from different countries, who exploit our country's free help and do crimes, and with THAT I have a problem. However there are also immigrants in my country who behave well, respect our ways as well as we respect theirs, and with them I do NOT have a problem.
Race has nothing to do with problems from immigration whether it's illegal or not. You cannot characterize an entire race just because a few of those immigrants commit crimes. Your impression of them getting "free" help is completely misguided. What taxes an immigrant can escape out of paying also means they are financially abused in that same regard (ie. very under-payed).
Immigrants pay sales and property tax (indirectly through rents in most cases). The benefit to society from underpaying these immigrants outweighs the cost of lost income tax. Most excessive costs such as abusing emergency services to get health care is from the fault of the system not from them abusing a "free" service. When you take all that into account, even including crime, they are a net gain to society.
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Good point, in the end what is considered "illegal immigrantion" tends to be a gain for society at the cost of those whom are blamed, essentially making them second class citizens. Under-payed, over-worked, and still pay taxes from purchases and rent etc.
Not to mention illegal immigration is almost always a scapegoat for a much more complex problem which is dumbed down for most to swallow because, psychologically speaking, it may cause anxiousness and fear, especially the feeling of powerlessness that comes with it. Simplifying a complex issue that includes, but not limited to, tariffs, infrastructure, interest rates on federal loans and bonds (etc.), is empowering since stopping immigration seems like such a simple solution.
And furthermore, the concept of 'race' is a purely sociological one. Were we truly different 'races' we would not be able to interbreed. Ethnicity is a much more fitting term since it encompasses the characteristics of what a 'race' is attributed; culture, religion, mannerism and sensibilities, tradition, etc.
Not to mention illegal immigration is almost always a scapegoat for a much more complex problem which is dumbed down for most to swallow because, psychologically speaking, it may cause anxiousness and fear, especially the feeling of powerlessness that comes with it. Simplifying a complex issue that includes, but not limited to, tariffs, infrastructure, interest rates on federal loans and bonds (etc.), is empowering since stopping immigration seems like such a simple solution.
And furthermore, the concept of 'race' is a purely sociological one. Were we truly different 'races' we would not be able to interbreed. Ethnicity is a much more fitting term since it encompasses the characteristics of what a 'race' is attributed; culture, religion, mannerism and sensibilities, tradition, etc.
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i try not to be racist...
white, black, spanish, and asian... theyre all hated and loved at the same time...
i guess its due to personal experiences, how you were brought up, how youre parents taught you, which friends you hung out with, etc...
but in reality, "nobody" is 100% non-racist... there is still racism in everyone deep in their hearts due to their human nature, male dominance (for males), and emotions....
white, black, spanish, and asian... theyre all hated and loved at the same time...
i guess its due to personal experiences, how you were brought up, how youre parents taught you, which friends you hung out with, etc...
but in reality, "nobody" is 100% non-racist... there is still racism in everyone deep in their hearts due to their human nature, male dominance (for males), and emotions....
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