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Post #465652 - Reply to (#465543) by ShadowSakura
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i found this once in the net. it´s about which country the japanese hate the most:
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So like, you're trying to say since the Japanese hate everyone else, they're only gonna date each other? :s

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well we can't discount conditioning. I used like asking guys whether they'd date black girls and almost all of them said no immediately. That's going to stay with them until something changes their minds, and even then, while their searching, they'd probably be discounting a lot of them.

Obviously things are getting a lot more multicultural and that's great because that reflects how I've seen the world since i was a kid. But even till recently most famous anything was probably going to be a white person.

The whole men prefer blondes is so well known but is mostly tied to anglo-saxon cultures that isn't the majority world wide. Where blondes are still attractive but nowhere near as much(as ubiquitous or desired) and for different reasons(youth as oppose to exotic).

I imagine what blocks people from interracial dating are also different in men and women. Men are more willing to(historically) but what might stop them nowadays are a perceived bias towards white men, or white women being taller(and women preferring guys taller).

asian guys probably go towards asian girls because they're most likely to not have those biases. the same for any ethnic group.

for women, it'd be more about stigma, and maybe cultural, men acting a certain way ect. Like the asian girl might think a certain behavior means something that's considered culturally masculine that's ingrained in her ect. Though that doesn't mean some asian guy won't act like that or anything, it depends on how americanized a person is(not to say all behavior types don't exist throughout cultures either).

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i found this once in the net. it´s about which country the japanese hate the most:
2008 result
poop

So like, you're trying to say since the Japanese hate everyone else, they're only gonna date each other? :s

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Well, I could rant about the constant shifts of Japanese opinion polls,. the fact that North Korea and South Korea were lumped together and all that, but I'll get to the fun bit instead.

There's a strange movement in Japanese society that goes something like this, coupled with the decreasing birthrate. Japanese girls out in the countryside move to the city and eventually get married there. The farming towns are quickly left with very few eligible women- far from enough to support the towns. As a result, some of them (and this is becoming more and more of a thing of late) import wives from various countries in Southeast Asia. I once ran into a an interesting brood of Japanese-Filipino kids jabbering in what I assume was Tagalog in middle-of-nowhere Yamanashi. It was kind of shocking at first, but it makes a lot of sense.

Anyway, that's kinda tangential to the topic, at best, but the point is that even if the Japanese consider themselves a separate race from the rest of Asia, it's far from an insurmountable obstacle.

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Tbh, I've read and heard of similar ideas. Asian females being hyperfeminized, black males being hypermasculine. There is some truth to Asian men emasculated by western media/culture.

From my actual experience though, media's portrayal hasn't really held up. I don't know what Asian males you've been running into, but most of the ones I've known, including myself are hardly passive/quiet. It might have been true in the past, I dunno, but Asian males I've known are so "cheerful", well-read, and aggressive that I'd think they were trying to overcompensate for their negative image.

I've wondered whether it was fair that many Asian males are working so much harder to set themselves apart, put themselves a step above the rest. Most of the Asian males I know, including myself, are not only overachieving academically, but athletically now too. So I guess while media/pop culture portrays Asian males negatively, I can't say I dislike it. I've actually benefited from that, because I'm one of those who grows faster under pressure/challenge. Most women are smart enough to see me as an individual and value my accomplishments over popular portrayals of my race.

Contrapositively, most Asian American women around here have really, really let themselves go. Pardon my lack of political correctness, to everyone aside from choot, who is being quite crude/frank herself. I think it's almost undeniable, where I live, that there is a bit of idolization going on with regards to the Asian female. Unfortunately, it seems to get into the heads of a lot of these Asian women, not quite unlike choot. They'll often bring up the fact that they have wide array of potential mates, and lord it over others.

Consequently, I see a lot of subpar Asian girls: no self-control, unhealthy, vapid personalities, dull, arrogant/overconfident, no future (aside from marriage)... not much in general going for them except for the fact they just happen to be Asian chicks, meaning they can probably still land someone who will, for some reason or another, only go for Asian girls. I've seen these, and where I live they are the new "blondes". Lack of pressure didn't do them any good, I suppose. I'm not saying you, choot, are one of these. Maybe you're a step above.

It works out fine for me, because I have room to be picky and I don't necessarily have to marry an Asian girl. And the more clueless and/or tainted certain Asian girls become by this increasingly obsolete notion of superiority, the easier they are to spot (and stay away from).

I think it should be easier for you, choot, to stay away from these Asian guys you don't like, than it is for me to stay away from these Asian girls I don't like. (because I don't blindly assume the Asian girls I meet have such a shallow mindset.)

If another Asian guy tries to hit on you, why don't you just take it as a compliment, and just let him know you're not interested instead of bragging about it and belittling them online? I know it feels good for your ego, but it'll make you look ugly in the long run. Just some friendly advice. smile


Firstly, I am Canadian Asian girl and I really agree with what you say (most). I am not fluent in Vietnamese and I have trouble socializing with people in my culture. But don't get me wrong, I am very respectful to my elders and my culture. I just have a problem communicating (so I tend to be shy and quite). However, my cousin came to Canada when she was 8 and was able to pick up both languages very well. To my family she is as most stereotype Asian girls are, conservative, cook, clean, respectful, blah blah. Since I was close to her age she would tell me story of her wild life! She completely fool everyone in and close to my family. Even her boyfriend think she is that type... But you would not believe the things she tells me and the number of guys she dated. She is completely as you describe. She tells me she is only attracted to white or mixed guys. And that Asian guys bore her... Now that she is 'older' guess that guys she is dating now? ..... Of course an Asian guy.. And now she is putting on the I am so innocent conservative good Asian girl act....
I am the opposite of my cousin. I am quite outgoing, when I am not speaking to elderly people that is. I am closer to the guys then girls. But I am traditionally more conservative in the sense, that I like to cook, clean and have a guy that take the first step. I don't really give out my numbers and I have been called native by many people. But, everyone in my family seems to think I am the wild one. My brothers and guys have told my I look the type of girls that party all the time (even though I hardly/never come home past). A lot of asian girls I meet now are really as you say.

Point of the story is, many Asian girls are more interested in White guys. But I feel like they won't admit it. And I think it is from the show they watch is the influence.
I really support Interracial date, it will certainly strengthen the gene pool! biggrin
Funny story, I have been asked my guys if I go for Asian guys! I always laugh and ask if I seem like the type that does go for Asian guy. of course they always say yes. And I tell them that I have had crush on different ethnicity but I actually prefer Asian guys.
Sorry I went off topic.

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What?

That was my thought too.

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As a tiny Filipino girl, I say white boys are delicious wink

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but still Filipino boys are awesome!!!
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I generally find Filipino guys boring, but that doesn't make me more interested in dating White guys over them. none

I don't really care about the race.

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What?

That was my thought too.

So...does anybody know what the hell that word means?

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It's probably St Chistopher and Nevis.

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Well, I'm half Japanese and French. I love both my parents and both sides of my blood equally. For me, it doesn't matter who you like. Granted, when my mom brought my father home, my grandparents weren't exactly thrilled. For the most part though, things eventually cooled down and they were finally allowed to marry.

My grandparents made sure that I had a backwards and forwards understanding of the language and culture...almost to a militant degree...but the good things about it is that I have no problems feeling at home or communicating with people in either country.

I'm all for interracial dating if that's what makes a person happy. I probably wouldn't be here now if it weren't for that. As far as one race of guys/girls being more exciting/attractive than the other, well, I don't even know most of my neighbors, so there's no way in the world I can honestly make that kind of judgement about one race of people in general. I can only speak for the people that I actually know.

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I would assume most parents would be against it, after all, they probably want to keep their blood line homogenous from other races. I know my parents are like that, guess it's a pride thing.

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I would assume most parents would be against it, after all, they probably want to keep their blood line homogenous from other races. I know my parents are like that, guess it's a pride thing.



Yeah, I would probably have to agree with you. As far as I know, it was only my Japanese grandparents that did the b*tching. I just thank goodness they accepted me so openly.

They're still a little pissed about my living in the U.S. right now though. They never did like that much.

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asian parents are asian parents they're gonna get mad over anything you do whether it be your career to what you wear during the weekend nights, hell even over what you do as your hobby... its just how they are but they cant do anything about it anyways.. they're just parent... they just dont like something thats uncomfortable and awkward for them to deal with.

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Well, I don't fell attracted to girls from another race (my family is italian). So you probably won't see me dating girls from another race since I think being attracted to your partner(not necessarily having a beatiful partner) is important. Do I hate people from these other races? Not at all.

Would I be against my son marrying an asian/hispanic/black/native american girl?
Well, I want him to marry the girl he loves and wouldn't treat her differently if she were like, black. Buut If I had to pick a girl I would get a white one surely. So I can understand parents who are against interracial dating even tough I do not agree with their behavior.

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Firstly, I am Canadian Asian girl and I really agree with what you say (most). I am not fluent in Vietnamese and I have trouble socializing with people in my culture. But don't get me wrong, I am very respectful to my elders and my culture. I just have a problem communicating (so I tend to be shy and quite). However, my cousin came to Canada when she was 8 and was able to pick up both languages very well. To my family she is as most stereotype Asian girls are, conservative, cook, clean, respectful, blah blah. Since I was close to her age she would tell me story of her wild life! She completely fool everyone in and close to my family. Even her boyfriend think she is that type... But you would not believe the things she tells me and the number of guys she dated. She is completely as you describe. She tells me she is only attracted to white or mixed guys. And that Asian guys bore her... Now that she is 'older' guess that guys she is dating now? ..... Of course an Asian guy.. And now she is putting on the I am so innocent conservative good Asian girl act....
I am the opposite of my cousin. I am quite outgoing, when I am not speaking to elderly people that is. I am closer to the guys then girls. But I am traditionally more conservative in the sense, that I like to cook, clean and have a guy that take the first step. I don't really give out my numbers and I have been called native by many people. But, everyone in my family seems to think I am the wild one. My brothers and guys have told my I look the type of girls that party all the time (even though I hardly/never come home past). A lot of asian girls I meet now are really as you say.


Not all, but yes, many are, especially where I live. They are usually more quiet and subtle about their feelings on the subject, because as shallow and vain as these particular people are, at least they are smart enough to be more subtle about it... instead of boasting loudly about it and being as insulting and vindictive as possible. So at least they don't become unattractive.

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Point of the story is, many Asian girls are more interested in White guys. But I feel like they won't admit it. And I think it is from the show they watch is the influence.
I really support Interracial date, it will certainly strengthen the gene pool! biggrin
Funny story, I have been asked my guys if I go for Asian guys! I always laugh and ask if I seem like the type that does go for Asian guy. of course they always say yes. And I tell them that I have had crush on different ethnicity but I actually prefer Asian guys.
Sorry I went off topic.


Let me clear up any potential misunderstandings. I don't care about the subject of interracial relationships. I don't support them and I'm not against them.

As for "strengthening the gene pool"... I'm not sure where you got that from, but if I were you, I'd take that idea with a bit of skepticism.

I think most of the evidence in favour of interracial hybrid vigor is bogus. Most of the evidence in favour of it have to deal with armchair logic and a priori knowledge. The evidence of hybrid vigor is rarely balanced out equally damning evidence of hybrid depression. You'll only hear of hybrid vigor from propaganda pieces many crackpot scientists, and I can almost guarantee you that these articles will be published alongside other articles that attack older conservative white males, as is obligatory for left-wing propaganda. (Don't get me wrong, I'm not very fond of right-wing propaganda either.) I've read some specious studies that mixed children tend to be smarter. No, they aren't really by any signficant margin. In fact, the only credible reports I've read showed mixed Asians actually doing slightly worse academically than Asians. I doubt that the reasons for those results are genetic, but the results I've seen certainly don't suggest anything extraordinary about mixed people.

Now consider the evidence against hybrid vigor. Han Chinese, like myself, are basically the mutts of East Asia. Our blood is incredibly "mixed" through centuries of by interethnic marriage, being invaded/raped, subjugated, invading others, etc. And our culture supports this. As "xenophobic" as we in the West may think Chinese are, Chinese are a pretty tolerant and casual group of people when it comes to nationality. What other group has forgiven and assimilated as quickly with "foreign invaders" who subjugated us to mass murders, rape, torture, and subjugation/humiliation? (Eg. Mongols, Manchu, Japanese, and the current World Order). My point: Han are very mixed, and fairly "culturally liberal" for East Asia. And yet... let's compare us to the relatively homogenous Yamato Japanese or Koreans. Are we as a mixed group of Asians genetically superior (after thousands of years of mixing with people from all over East Asia)? No. In fact, our average IQ is a couple points or more lower than that of the homogenous South Koreans. Note that "Han Chinese" also include Korean mixes; Koreans are actually an officially recognized minority of the PRC.

Where's the noticeable evidence of hybrid vigor? Again, I've only heard armchair logic.

In the end, does this matter? Anyone who actually worries about something so unsubstantiated and insignificant (especially when weighed against other factors, particularly ones derived from a posteriori knowledge) has a few screws loose and probably isn't worth our time. bigrazz

On the same note, I don't have much against interracial marriage either. I don't really care if your sister dates a bunch of white guys. Maybe your sister has issues, but I don't know and I don't care to know. Some white guys I know date Asian girls, and they are both perfectly fine and pleasant/polite people. If the white guy actually befriends his girlfriend's Asian relatives and makes an attempt to respect them and their culture, then I might even think, "cool, he is keeping the culture, language, and values alive (possibly even better than a lot of ABCs)."

What bothers me is when it's not simply enough for an Asian chick to date a white guy, she also needs to make a dramatic political statement about it:
- "I'm dating a white guy, because I am a rebel!"
- "White guys are more assertive!" / "Asian guys are too passive!"
- "My Asian parents are too controlling and stupid!"
- "Asian culture is too oppressive!" / "I'm a freedom loving American!"
- "I'm totally whitewashed! I can't imagine myself dating an Asian guy!" / "I'm so whitewashed, I can only speak English!" / "Don't lump me in with other Asians! I'm different!"

We get that you're unique like everyone else. roll

Then we get people not unlike the topic-starter (the college student who still hasn't gotten past puberty) who don't stop there. They have to go on and insult the people she thinks she's transcending and leaving behind. I mean, looking at the topic-starter's comments, the only thing she's missing are the penis jokes.

The attitude is completely transparent:
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Maybe being an asian girl or black guy, I guess we are just stuck with having to deal with the worst pickings...


Yes. Woe be the Asian girl and the black guy for being stuck with us lowly Asian males and black females. roll

Some of these Asian girls are so stuck up, that they automatically assume any Asian guy that talks to them must be trying to hit on them. I had a Taiwanese American ex-roommate that I politely said "Good Morning" to. She gave me this nasty look like she was going to say, "eww, an Asian guy is trying to talk to me!", and didn't respond. She doesn't mind being friendly with every other roommate. That's right, I gave a simple "good morning" which was said with a bored look; she was average-looking at best. ("Biiiiicth, please, I wouldn't want your ugly ass in a million years! Good luck finding some guy who'll support you so you stop mooching off your parents while you pretend to take classes." Unethical, rude women like that are such a turn off.)

Do these people know that it's possible to date interracially without being complete jackasses about it?

I can speak for a lot of Asians when I say that it's not the interracial relationship itself that bothers me, it's the big "f*** you" that *often* comes with it. Whether it's coming from the Asian girl, or a white guy who brags about "saving" an Asian girl from her "oppressive culture", while insulting Asians, and reassuring her of her own ethnicity's inferiority (inferior culture, inferior males, inferior country, etc...). Yeah, of course that annoys me, as it should any reasonable person.

The polite, respectful White/Asian couples I know who don't burn bridges, and don't insult me and/or my race, are perfectly fine with me, and I enjoy their company.

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I can only imagine how much time it took you to write that post laugh

You guys are referring to Asia as whole - take into consideration that the topic basically refers to only Japanese/Chinese or similar. I don't think citizens of other countries have assimilated into the American culture so much, though I may be completely wrong, as I have no first-hand experience. And I'm pretty certain that, my lack of knowledge notwithstanding, an Iraqian's, Indian,'s or (pick a country of your choice)ian's differs a tad from what you are discussing.

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