Heaven or hell, I believe in God Almighty, creator of heaven and earth, I believe in Jesus Christ, his beloved son, I believe in the Holy Spirit.

so yeah, I believe that there will be a life after death.

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isn't the earth considered a closed system?

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NO!!!! And anyways, what the hell do you define as a soul? Can you measure its physical properties? Is it physical or "metaphysical"? If you mean consciousness, then it's not something physical but a theory of interactions.

have it your way then. I'm not going to debate here.

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This..

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If you're going to get upset that I'm debating you over what you said then don't try to use physics that you don't completely understand to justify some philosophical view point. Anyways, I'm done here. I usually don't post on this board, but seeing such ignorance displayed was something I couldn't let slide.

Matter of belief in my opinion...
Honestly I don't know what to think...
I'm not religious so I don't believe in Heaven and Hell (even though I'd be sure to goto hell if they do exist )
I'd destroy the world cause it'd be interesting

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Is this me in a nutshell?
Pretty much.

well I've tried my best to be patience but you're just pushing it.
First of all who are you to forbid me using 'physics that I don't completely understand' to express my opinion about death? As far as I remember this is a forum in which each individual can speak their mind freely, and I don't think I used offensive words.
2nd You aren't even answering to the thread and keep flaming me, if you are so expert in this field, by all means state your answer and theories/thoughts that support it.
3rd I couldn't care less whether you're an active poster so don't bother stating it to imply you're so special


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For someone who just said they didn't want to debate, you sure are getting into this. In list format too! Alright, let's get down to it.

1st) Having an opinion is one thing, but using scientific information inaccurately in an attempt to justify that opinion is inexcusable. Also, be careful using the defense that this is a "forum in which each individual can speak their mind freely..." because it goes both ways. Speaking my mind on the matter which you brought up is exactly what I am doing now.

2nd) The neurological activity within your brain stops and your body ceases to function. This is what is KNOWN to science. Anything beyond this is the realm of philosophy, but we can use science to determine the probability of speculations that are put forward. The highest probability is that what we perceive as consciousness merely ceases to function, thus what awaits us after death is nothingness.

3rd) It wasn't my intention to make myself appear "special" by stating I'm not a regular poster, but instead to reinforce my reason for posting in the first place. I find myself compelled sometimes to fight ignorance in subjects which I feel passionately about. This probably came across as arrogance more than wanting to correct what I saw as a wrong, for which I apologize.

Actually, energy can still be transferred through the boundary of a closed system.

Yeah, probably because you kept insulting me.

Ok let me answer as best as I could.
I used the law of energy conservation with the thought that the earth is a closed system (which scientists assume and believe). I did mention analogically speaking: that basically means like energy, life has cycle too. I don't believe the soul (which I see as life energy) goes to heaven/hell after death, but instead joins the cycle and that's why I mentioned the reincarnation.
If everybody is supposed to follow what you strongly believe, that everything is text book and predetermined, "using scientific information inaccurately in an attempt to justify that opinion is inexcusable" it will create an obstacle for imagination that will lead to the delay of humanity's progress.

What you were doing was denying me my rights to state my opinion instead of stating yours.

sure. good point.

If I'm allowed to be so bold, I don't need your apologies since you're apologizing for the wrong thing.
I do declare I'm not an expert in this area but I can give you some advice if you want.
If you want to change someone's opinion, start politely and not by ranting because as of right now I see you as an arrogant kid who has a little bit more of information than me. I cannot respect you and I won't see your point as valid no matter how right you sound like.

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Ignoring the above debate, nothingness is indeed the most logical conclusion to death. However, I would also like to believe that there is a possibilty of reincarnation (hopefully not to an animal).

As for heaven/hell/god, these things/stories do not really float my boat.

One thing is for sure: all of our experiences & memories will cease to exist from our minds when life is over, which is both good & sad.

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Also ignoring the debate going on above...

I've always been partial to the multiverse theories and some of the more...interesting fringe theories that go along with them. I'm a huge fan of the possibilities we can explore through quantum physics and quantum mechanics and the first time I heard of Hugh Everett's theory of "many-worlds" I found a theory I could thoroughly agree with.

For anyone who isn't familiar with it, the "many-worlds" theory states that whenever a possibility is explored, a new universe is created and the choices of an action are carried out in each respective universe. (Sorry, I think this is completely awesome but if you don't agree, just skip to the end of this comment.) With this theory in mind, you could travel through time. If a way to travel between these universes becomes possible, you avoid making paradoxes most believe make travel to the past impossible. Like the old grandfather paradox, if you traveled back in time using this theory, you could technically kill your own grandfather and be fine because the grandfather in that universe didn't lead to your existence. Cool eh? ;P

This theory is supported by the complete weirdness of quantum particles which exist in many states at once and technically do not exist (Pure awesome-ness). When observed, however, they fall into one state (Also wickedly cool). It's this strange state of various possibilities that leads to the "many-worlds" theory.

Now for why I ranted, where there are choices, new universes are formed. So I figure, if I die, that is only one of the possibilities so in another universe, I'd still be alive. And because the number of universes I exist in are infinite (nearly), stands to figure that one of me is in a universe where I can pretty much live forever. (Now please don't take these next few sentences seriously, I'm thinking of childhood dreams). There is probably one where I ride a dinosaur to school. Oh, and one where I have a library in my house full of my favourite books. The situations we read about in manga may be taking place in an alternate universe as well. Could be fun

Really, this is just my opinion, I may be completely and totally wrong, but I still believe it could be true so I'll stick to it. ^_^

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Even if it is true, that doesn't answer the question at hand. While there may be many other worlds out there, the one you're living in right now is one with inescapable death. What do you believe will happen to the you in this world after you die?

In any case, I tend toward the belief that death is the complete end of your existence. I guess I don't believe that there is anything tangible within the physical body such as a soul or spirit that could continue to exist in any way after the body itself has died (unless, of course, we find an artificial means to keep that body alive, or at the very least, the brain, or a way to transfer what is happening within the brain that causes people to manifest personality, sentience etc. - so data, memories, neural pathways, something like that - to a computer or artificial "brain" or something). I can't say the thought of ceasing to exist particularly bothers me. It would be the ultimate peace and is, in my opinion, a better incentive to live a good life (because it's the only existence you'll get) than the threats that you will be punished or rewarded through reincarnation/heaven/hell depending on how you lived your life.

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I think that there is nothing after death. After you live your long life filled with pain and happiness you are rewarded with nothing. All that will be left is your rotting body in ground or your ashed in a vase. You will be nothing and completely cease to exist. Death is a boring thing to think of. When I die I'll be fine with being dead. I'm only afraid of how death may be brought upon me.