Anything that gets uploaded to Batoto is immediately ripped by MF's bot and posted on MF with no regard for scanlator policy and with *no credit* to the scanlator.
It's kind of difficult not to interpret this as open warfare against the scanlation community.
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Can't the programmers do the thing where you can't right click on the web pages, thus stopping from the MF from copying the images... 
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A tech-savvy person can find a way to copy pretty much any data that reaches their computer.
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Can't the programmers do the thing where you can't right click on the web pages, thus stopping from the MF from copying the images...
There are ways around it. I know how to copy pictures and such without right-clicking. And i am far from being a computer wiz.
But as for MF and them not paying giving credit to the scanlators. The scanlators can "make" MF stop. MF has many series that no longer have chapters (aka they have removed the chapters because of complaint from the scanlators).
If you feel there is a manga that isn't receiving the correct treatment, then you can contact MF or the scanlator group and get it removed from MF.
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But as for MF and them not paying giving credit to the scanlators. The scanlators can "make" MF stop. MF has many series that no longer have chapters (aka they have removed the chapters because of complaint from the scanlators).
If you feel there is a manga that isn't receiving the correct treatment, then you can contact MF or the scanlator group and get it removed from MF.
If you feel there is a manga that isn't receiving the correct treatment, then you can contact MF or the scanlator group and get it removed from MF.
I thought one of the problems was that isn't happening? I'm not well informed here, but I'm pretty sure mangafox is reposting or not even taking down many scanlations when requested.
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But as for MF and them not paying giving credit to the scanlators. The scanlators can "make" MF stop. MF has many series that no longer have chapters (aka they have removed the chapters because of complaint from the scanlators).
If you feel there is a manga that isn't receiving the correct treatment, then you can contact MF or the scanlator group and get it removed from MF.
If you feel there is a manga that isn't receiving the correct treatment, then you can contact MF or the scanlator group and get it removed from MF.
I thought one of the problems was that isn't happening? I'm not well informed here, but I'm pretty sure mangafox is reposting or not even taking down many scanlations when requested.
From what I've last seen, the mods have lost the power to remove chapters and the whole section of the forum related to scanlators policies was deleted.
The Noez team have since been uploading everything they can.
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why not trying what gao subs doing with the reader? cut the pic into partition. that might give some problems for them
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Another MF thread... 
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boohoo scanlators aren't getting credit.
At the end of the day scanlators are essentially stealing. Now obviously they put in work to actually translate and touch everything up but there is still no honour amongst thieves. Nothing they can really do about it and it really does say enough about them that they are that desperate for an ego boost that they even need the credit.
At the end of the day scanlators are essentially stealing. Now obviously they put in work to actually translate and touch everything up but there is still no honour amongst thieves. Nothing they can really do about it and it really does say enough about them that they are that desperate for an ego boost that they even need the credit.
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What's ironic is scan groups wanting people to respect their policies when they don't respect the publisher/author's wishes.
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What's ironic is scan groups wanting people to respect their policies when they don't respect the publisher/author's wishes.
That's actually not true in 100% of cases (a number of groups have received permission from the author, etc.), but I digress. This argument has been done over hundreds of posts in at least 5 different lengthy threads so far. You can't possibly add anything new, and I don't see why you'd create an account or post for the first time to waste time rehashing an old debate. The majority public stance, as well as the official stance of this site on the issue, should be quite clear at this point.
Firstly... the title should be "audacity." There's nothing false or misleading about MF's actions in this case, if anything it's less mendacious because things are being done pretty brazenly without regard for formal policy.
Secondly, this will get worse before it gets better. It was a matter of time before MF stopped caring about saving face. It's not like acting even slightly differently would increase their profit. It's a rational action. Either newer solutions will have to be found or the current situation will continue. So... keep brainstorming.
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Oh puh-leeze, all these discussions have been done to death. Leechers behave like spoiled children and justify it by ignorant theories of why scanlators are the bad guys and shouldn't complain. I'm not going to rehash any arguments to set you right -- it's not how you deal with spoiled children anyway. 
In the end, scanlators will do all sorts of stuff to make their releases more difficult to get. Leechers will whine, and whine, and whine some more, but... In this very topic you're convincing scanlators that your wishes don't deserve any consideration. And it shall be so.
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In the end, scanlators will do all sorts of stuff to make their releases more difficult to get. Leechers will whine, and whine, and whine some more, but... In this very topic you're convincing scanlators that your wishes don't deserve any consideration. And it shall be so.________________
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cmertb you can cry about MF all you like, but at the end of the day there's not a fucking thing you can do about it.
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First question: LT, who are you? if you want to troll then it's not the right place for you, since the majority of people here in mangaupdates will just be pissed off at your idiotic comment.
Secondly, sigh, about fucking time i write some legal lines:
Mangaka creates manga, the image and japanese words are theirs. They own the entire copyright for it.
Scanlators scanlate manga. They do the translation, they edit the manga, in short, they did a derivative work. For what's derivative work is, look up the section 101 copyright act, there's definition of derivative work. I will quote a bit:
"a "derivative work" is a work based upon one or more preexisting work, such as a translation, musical arrangement, dramatization..."
To get English speakers to read manga, it's not like that scanlators use the original version (japanese and unedited version) to get readers to come for it. If you want to confirm it, then put up 2 version: 1 is the original version of the japanese comic, and the second is the scanlator's work. 99% of the time an English speakers read/download will be of the scanlated work. In short, in a derivative work, copyright in a derivative work "extends only to the material contributed by the author of such work, as distinguished from the preexisting material employed in the work, and does not imply any exclusive right in the preexisting material" Section 103(b) copyright act, whether or not the preexisting material is protected by copyright.
I've been studying the case very carefully and that's what written down for "sound recording and musical works". For images and comic, that's not my specialty but following what i wrote there, from a legal perspective, 100% that scanlators have copyright for their work of editing and translating. Now shut the fuck up about "you are just a thief and no better than mangafox" because we have copyright there because scanlation is our work and money while mangafox/mangahere does a shit for it, they just upload the work on their fucking site. They violate both the original mangaka and scanlator's right.
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Secondly, sigh, about fucking time i write some legal lines:
Mangaka creates manga, the image and japanese words are theirs. They own the entire copyright for it.
Scanlators scanlate manga. They do the translation, they edit the manga, in short, they did a derivative work. For what's derivative work is, look up the section 101 copyright act, there's definition of derivative work. I will quote a bit:
"a "derivative work" is a work based upon one or more preexisting work, such as a translation, musical arrangement, dramatization..."
To get English speakers to read manga, it's not like that scanlators use the original version (japanese and unedited version) to get readers to come for it. If you want to confirm it, then put up 2 version: 1 is the original version of the japanese comic, and the second is the scanlator's work. 99% of the time an English speakers read/download will be of the scanlated work. In short, in a derivative work, copyright in a derivative work "extends only to the material contributed by the author of such work, as distinguished from the preexisting material employed in the work, and does not imply any exclusive right in the preexisting material" Section 103(b) copyright act, whether or not the preexisting material is protected by copyright.
I've been studying the case very carefully and that's what written down for "sound recording and musical works". For images and comic, that's not my specialty but following what i wrote there, from a legal perspective, 100% that scanlators have copyright for their work of editing and translating. Now shut the fuck up about "you are just a thief and no better than mangafox" because we have copyright there because scanlation is our work and money while mangafox/mangahere does a shit for it, they just upload the work on their fucking site. They violate both the original mangaka and scanlator's right.
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