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The Lolicon Shotacon Debate

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Post #534939

7:09 pm, Apr 25 2010
Posts: 1

I agree with everyone who says that the direct download links should be removed but not the scanlators. That way it can't be said that MU is directly providing loli/shota. Removal of series information on the other hand is going too far because information in itself merely informs a person of the existence of something. There are plenty of titles mentioned on MU that have never been scanlated and are included for the sake of completeness (or so I assume), so it's not like anything illegal is going on because having information doesn't automatically mean there are scanlations or piracy is taking place.

Post #534940 - Reply to (#534931) by drunkguy

7:22 pm, Apr 25 2010
Posts: 6

User CP huh?... *fiddles with options*
I learned something today!

Post #534941 - Reply to (#534934) by drunkguy

7:26 pm, Apr 25 2010
Posts: 18

I prefer to keep myself logged on at all times, just to have the release filtering/highlighting enabled.
Now, if only it was possible to specify a priority in which genre highlights should be applied...

Post #534942
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7:30 pm, Apr 25 2010
Posts: 89

if you truly are going to delete loli-shota...... than this site is going to be just a disappointment. truly :/ i already felt disappointed by the fact that you deleted the groups that release english scans.....(ex: senfgurke2, furiouspuppet and so on)

I'm not a fan of either loli or shota. but if you guys are actually going to censor the releases...
than we scanlators will just have to move to a new site that provides a better management of releases that doesn't censor manga by genre. o_o
btw...... how could you think of deleting loli/shota........... when some yaoi/hentai are alot sick-er than loli/shota.

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Post #534943 - Reply to (#534915) by LinkMcCloud
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7:32 pm, Apr 25 2010
Posts: 58

And then once they get it off the internet, forget about buying them in stores, at least not without extra heavy censorship (more so than now). That's where we'll be hit next. It's what they've wanted to do forever and now their finally getting their chance.

Post #534944
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7:34 pm, Apr 25 2010
Posts: 329

This is pretty sad though. Later we probably can't enjoy manga without people telling us what we [b]can[/] read! This is probably just the start of it. In the future they'll censor the whole internet because of stupid reasons in order to keep us in their control.

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Post #534945 - Reply to (#534827) by dezin19
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7:43 pm, Apr 25 2010
Posts: 58

Even then there really wouldn't be that much of a reason. Seriously one crime out of the hundreds of thousands who read it isn't enough to make relevant statistics. It's like saying playing violent video games makes you a violent person, and then you have one person who plays the games kill someone and use that for your statistics to get rid of violent games. It's pure idiocy.

Post #534946

7:46 pm, Apr 25 2010
Posts: 6

I'm not a fan of lolicon/shotacon but occasionally I do read some of them.
It'd be really frustrating to not find info about a series just because it has such elements. On the other hand I think some "very specific" infamous hentai/guro series should be completely banned from this site. Not necessarily all guro though.

Banning all the bad stuff will not create social awareness, it will merely limit access to such things. People will always find other ways. Though people sometimes need someone/something to stop them lol why am I talking about myself now...

Post #534947 - Reply to (#534844) by lame2846
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7:53 pm, Apr 25 2010
Posts: 58

It's going to be gore. They've already been on gore for a while in video games.

Post #534948 - Reply to (#534932) by Dr. Love

7:57 pm, Apr 25 2010
Posts: 1650

Well, it's hosted in the US I think. Which would make the difference in my opinion, though I'm not certain how internet law really works.

Post #534949 - Reply to (#534908) by drunkguy
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8:06 pm, Apr 25 2010
Posts: 58

A warning label is worth a lot. $2.9 million in McDonald's case. And you want to know what for? Coffee. A freakin cup of coffee. Mcdonald refused to add a warning label to their cups of hot coffee because it seemed like common sense, Hot coffee is HOT. But no the jury ruled in favor of the idiot who was driving recklessly with a cup of hot coffee in between her legs.

So no matter how obvious you think a genre specification is, some people... *facepalm*

Post #534950 - Reply to (#534885) by tnt_tnt

8:30 pm, Apr 25 2010
Posts: 29

Here is the thing, having violent thoughts about adults who are capable of making their own decisions, are one thing, having violent thoughts about poor defenseless children is another.

Let me give you an example. I like yaoi if I walk past someone who remotely resemble my yaoi characters I will fantasize about them having sex (I am female btw) but so what? They are responsible adults who probably think of sex too, even if (hypothetically speaking) I give them sexual looks they are capable of moving away from an uncomfortable situation if they chose it, know the difference between right and wrong and can make up their own mind about what to do.

If we use that same scenario remove gay guy and put a poor defenseless child that hasn't got the maturity nor the experience to protect themselves from an uncomfortable situation and you have got yourself a really dangerous situation.

The question is where do you draw the line?


Post #534951

8:37 pm, Apr 25 2010
Posts: 56

This site only informs releases, starting to not inform about releases because of certain content is simply censorship.

What part of "Please do not put in huge images!" did you fail to understand?
Post #534952 - Reply to (#534899) by JustPassingBy

8:40 pm, Apr 25 2010
Posts: 29

child porn or anything the remotely resembles it, is a very dangerous thing. It is the same thing as you telling me to illegalize alcohol because it is just as bad as taking drugs.

You can't stop people from doing what they want but at the end of the day you have to ask yourself if accepting certain things are worth it.

It is very important to understand that children are at a very critical age of development, it is a very well known fact that the experiences they have during that stage will ultimately shape who they are.

Why should we de-synthesize ourselves to material that could potentially harm them.

Post #534953
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8:43 pm, Apr 25 2010
Posts: 6

Hey, I just wanna throw a thought out there for consideration. I can understand why they want to censor and ban shotacon and lolicon, but I think we all can understand that. The interesting point is though, that child porn was always bad or immoral, because of the potential harm to the child who had their photos taken. The damage, and exposure of young innocence. To me that was why it wasn't good. A loli manga doesn't have that risk or emotional value. And as long as the audience understands what pure fiction is, compared to their real life world. I see no problem with reading whatever seems interesting, loli or otherwise.

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