I'm 99% certain that matias did not get banned and therefore can still submit chapters for approval like EVERY SINGLE MEMBER of the site. the privilege he lost was the ability to approve releases other people submit. the problem with him was the fact that he publicly presented himself as a mod here and uploaded manga against the scanlators wishes multiple times. When asked to stop he refused and so then they went to the mods here to complain. Matias got a minor slap on the wrist and its not that big of a deal, I know I hope that he continues to support MU with reporting releases but if he doesn't I would understand.
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4:46 pm, Sep 27 2011
Posts: 141
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4:56 pm, Sep 27 2011
Posts: 141
honestly I agree with you entirely about those problems and that's why it should be up to the scanlators to upload their own releases to aggregators.
In the event of legal action against the aggregators the groups most likely wont be targeted and if they are they can just as easily be dissolved and reformed.
I'm not Pro-Aggregator however I understand that they do provide a benefit to the community and that benefit comes with a large Risk.
In the event of legal action against the aggregators the groups most likely wont be targeted and if they are they can just as easily be dissolved and reformed.
I'm not Pro-Aggregator however I understand that they do provide a benefit to the community and that benefit comes with a large Risk.
Member
5:06 pm, Sep 27 2011
Posts: 141
I agree that it is good to make a decision however I think that it is a shame that the decision had to be made in the first place. MU shouldn't have to draw lines in the sand about what people do on other sites however this one individual forced this outcome and only has himself to blame for being banned.
As a side note I'm glad that Manick & Lambchopsil added in "We do not support and try to actively spread the word against profiteering off the backs of scanlators." its a good policy to have an can be seen by the adfree nature of the site.
As a side note I'm glad that Manick & Lambchopsil added in "We do not support and try to actively spread the word against profiteering off the backs of scanlators." its a good policy to have an can be seen by the adfree nature of the site.
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5:53 pm, Sep 27 2011
Posts: 72
I personally dont mind the watermarks, even prefer there is more watermarking to them because, I didnt buy the books, or pay the mangaka or publisher for it. I am completely getting it for free, at the expense of all the time that people put into it. If watermarking ruins the quality and make people want to purchase the actual book, I would be all up for it
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5:59 pm, Sep 27 2011
Posts: 72
your funny,
release mod don't always make release post, we only approve them after we check them. most groups make their own release post when they are release. It wouldn't change a thing with or without him aside from less hate from the scanlation community.
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release mod don't always make release post, we only approve them after we check them. most groups make their own release post when they are release. It wouldn't change a thing with or without him aside from less hate from the scanlation community.
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7:16 pm, Sep 27 2011
Posts: 61
7:16 pm, Sep 27 2011
Posts: 61
The scanlators had complaints about his actions as they went against THEIR wishes (which is important since THEY did the work).
He was warned (multiple times).
He ignored those warnings (multiple times).
Brought it on himself.
It's just that simple. End of the story.
He was warned (multiple times).
He ignored those warnings (multiple times).
Brought it on himself.
It's just that simple. End of the story.
Member
7:32 pm, Sep 27 2011
Posts: 111
It's true that a scanlator doesn't draw the art or write the story. They do, however, write the translation. Translations vary in style and tone depending on the translator so it's fair to say the translation itself is a creative work. Derivative perhaps, but it still requires creative thinking. Scanlation's definitely piracy, but let's be fair here: it's not JUST stealing.
Site Admin
7:59 pm, Sep 27 2011
Posts: 162
lol u mad?
brb fucking self
brb fucking self
Member
8:10 pm, Sep 27 2011
Posts: 317
8:10 pm, Sep 27 2011
Posts: 317
Your post is just so flawed I don't even know where to begin hacking it apart.
Member
8:17 pm, Sep 27 2011
Posts: 317
8:17 pm, Sep 27 2011
Posts: 317
Agreed. It's a free (not to mention illegal) service. It's definitely wrong for me to expect something better or even as good as than the actual physical tankobon which I should buy in the first place.
Member
8:34 pm, Sep 27 2011
Posts: 55
angry thirteen year old fanboy (or possibly troll) alert, whee woo whee woo
Member
8:54 pm, Sep 27 2011
Posts: 50
It's stealing with STYLE. Guess that makes the man... or whatever. I agree that trying to control a scanlation once released is like trying to herd cats. If it was so easy to control what is passed around the Internet, record companies and the movie industry wouldn't be foaming at the mouth about trying (and FAILING) to control it. It's impossible. If you gave 20 people in a room, give them ONE rule to follow, it's a sure bet at least 1-2 people will break it, just to do it.
Of course, submitting scanlation work to sites that charge for it is not cool. But, again, if that person didn't, someone else would... eventually.
Of course, submitting scanlation work to sites that charge for it is not cool. But, again, if that person didn't, someone else would... eventually.
Member
9:08 pm, Sep 27 2011
Posts: 50
Um, BTW - although I agree that the translation is someone's hard work, the fact is that we are stealing original work ourselves, using it for our amusement, generally without the author's consent, and disseminating to the general public as "our effort." If it REALLY were a "legal" process, scanlation groups would never receive C&Ds, would they? I'm not saying a scanlation group is a den of thieves; I'm saying that when we point fingers, we need to look our own actions. Because, heck, it's not exactly convincing to sit on a high horse that's been stolen once IMO.
hmm~
Member
9:30 pm, Sep 27 2011
Posts: 989
the first emissary from MF/MH... ><
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Member
9:41 pm, Sep 27 2011
Posts: 111
I know scanlation isn't legal (actually I specifically said that in my post), and I'm sure we could go into this topic pretty deeply but this probably isn't the place, so let me just try to explain myself more clearly. I wasn't particularly making a case for anybody, just stating that scanlation is not simple "rip and upload" piracy so people who do the translations aren't entirely wrong to be mad about people making money off of it. In the US I believe that releasing a translation of a comic is actually legal and falls under "fair use" but of course distributing the images along with it makes it illegal.
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